ActivateKruger:


Truvelo should check who they sell their rifles to. I was disgusted at Truvelo when I saw a video of a crying kid being removed a bullet fired from Truvelo rifle. Truvelo sold those things to Gaddafi whom he used against civilians.

Libya was stable when they where sold

iblawi:


I read it the last time but didn't comment on it because the person only know a little about Angolan airforce to the extent that he forgot the Angolan airforce have SU-27, su25 & mig 23 as well as other fighter jets which can be used to their advantage. The claim of the Gripens out numbering the Angola jets is wrong.

Secondly, how did he know the weapons Angolans have for the su-30? Generally I will recommend the writer dig up more facts about Angolan military before attempting to give us a balanced view.

Thirdly, the writer made us believe the Gripen is better than SU-30 irrespective of the radar that compensate for higher RCS of the SU-30.

it is the SAAF Gripen versus the Su-30k not the SAAF VS Angolan air force

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you probably just skimmed through the article..

jln115:

Gripen wins comprehensively, If it was the Su30MKA it would've been much more even.

the Su-30k is the retarded Indian reject. an aircraft even India doesn't want..

lionel4power:

it is the SAAF Gripen versus the Su-30k not the SAAF VS Angolan air force

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you probably just skimmed through the article..

OK.

Yes, I only skimmed through but my last point still stands. Any layman would easily believe the Gripen is a better fighter than SU-30.

nemesis4u:


very effective for CASO

would be very useful if these could be used to place 'markers' on tangos and vehicles,

loosing the marks would then be a tad difficult eh

especially from the perspective of civilian intelligence ops

You're quite demanding, sheesh! How would one accommodate a miniaturised "designator"? Already the day helicopter has 3 cameras; one looking forward, one looking straight down, and one pointing downward at 45 degrees. The night helicopter has 2, one electro-optical sensor and the thermal sensor, both looking downward at 45 degrees.

Me, I'd prefer they develop a version for use in GPS-denied environments, and maybe an extension to the current LOS range of 1.6km.

nemesis4u:



AIRCRAFT READINESS/AVAILABILITY

the above label i believe should have addressed operational availability / turnaround time etc

i can have 50 X fighters and u can have 25 Y fighters

this does not necessarily translate in a 2X advantage for me over u.

consider this............ u attack me with 5 of ur aircraft's and i send up 10 of mine to intercept u

ur aircrafts abort mission and turn tail

i land back with all my 10 aircraft's

but since they have a long turnaround time and u decide to attack my base again

i am able to get only 5 of my aircraft's airborne , now since ur survival chances r better u give me a fight and... i maybe or may not be toast

,.................
1) i have lost my numerical superiority inspite of having larger no of aircraft's than u..

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2) and remember aircraft's r distributed over numerous bases ,so one base will have limited nos of aircraft's to utilize to defend a sector




3) another point generally CGI is carried out for base defence

YOU PROBABLY SKIMMED THROUGH THE ARTICLE TOO...

the article features a scenerio.. and heres an excerpt from the article...

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Furthermore, a flight of 12 SAAB Gripens would go westward to draw out the Angolan fighter jets stationed at the Mocamedes Airport.
Alarmed by the massive probably hostile aerial formations heading towards its airspace, the Angolan Air Force sends its own fleet of 12 Su-30K to ward the Gripens off its territory.

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i believe that answers all your questions.
no 1) its the first aerial encounter
no 2) only 12 SAAF Gripens were tasked while 12 Angolan flankers were scrambled
no 3) yes Angola used CGI BECAUSE IT WAS DEFENDING ITS TERRITORY..

iblawi:


OK.

Yes, I only skimmed through but my last point still stands. Any layman would easily believe the Gripen is a better fighter than SU-30.

yet again you failed to understand me...

it is the SAAF GRIPENS VS THE ANGOLAN SU-30K.


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NOTE THE (K) AT THE END OF THE SU-30...

nemesis4u:



AIRCRAFT READINESS/AVAILABILITY

the above label i believe should have addressed operational availability / turnaround time etc

i can have 50 X fighters and u can have 25 Y fighters

this does not necessarily translate in a 2X advantage for me over u.

consider this............ u attack me with 5 of ur aircraft's and i send up 10 of mine to intercept u

ur aircrafts abort mission and turn tail

i land back with all my 10 aircraft's

but since they have a long turnaround time and u decide to attack my base again

i am able to get only 5 of my aircraft's airborne , now since ur survival chances r better u give me a fight and... i maybe or may not be toast

i have lost my numerical superiority inspite of having larger no of aircraft's than u..


again since war has been declared i will have to generate enough sorties to protect my airspace against an intrusion or simply to deter u

however even with my larger no of aircraft's if my aircraft's operational availability is low due to higher upkeep time , i will not be able to adequate cover all my airspace 24 hr a day , hence my airspace will be open to intrusion from exposed points.


and remember aircraft's r distributed over numerous bases ,so one base will have limited nos of aircraft's to utilize to defend a sector


the safest place for a fighter is in the air , and the most unsafe place is when it is on the ground when conflict breaks out.

so low operational availability and high turnaround time is an Achilles heel during wars


another point generally CGI is carried out for base defence


note : the was a generalized and personal view , not related to gripen/su30 comparison , that honor belongs to lionel4power to do


and keep doing such articles and also read a lot to get more insight

as usual your response are always appreciated and infinitely insightful.

The SAAF, not sure if this is allowed.

Talk about helicopters. A friend of mine has a Blackhawk at his work hangar. Yeah, a former USAF Blackhawk was delivered at his work place.

Somewhere in my phone are pics of a South African registered Blackhawk. It's going public in December. You'll have to kill me and cut my fingerprints to get the pictures

lionel4power:

the Su-30k is the retarded Indian reject. an aircraft even India doesn't want..

Su-30k was a stop gap arrangement , while the Su-30mki was being developed , the stop gap arrangement was made so that the crews could operate it and provide their input to the Su-30mki development program.

it was not a reject , it was the Su-30k which participated in the initial red flag exercises in US and they performed well

only major difference is the canards and the avionics

and the Angolan ones were surely upgraded with upto date avionics before delivery as per their requirements

GreenandGold:
Somewhere in my phone are pics of a South African registered Blackhawk. It's going public in December. You'll have to kill me and cut my fingerprints to get the pictures

Wait, you went to Stickerz place and took selfies in a Blackhawk and you don't call me? Not cool bro

lionel4power:

YOU PROBABLY SKIMMED THROUGH THE ARTICLE TOO...

the article features a scenerio.. and heres an excerpt from the article...

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Furthermore, a flight of 12 SAAB Gripens would go westward to draw out the Angolan fighter jets stationed at the Mocamedes Airport.
Alarmed by the massive probably hostile aerial formations heading towards its airspace, the Angolan Air Force sends its own fleet of 12 Su-30K to ward the Gripens off its territory.

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i believe that answers all your questions.
no 1) its the first aerial encounter
no 2) only 12 SAAF Gripens were tasked while 12 Angolan flankers were scrambled
no 3) yes Angola used CGI BECAUSE IT WAS DEFENDING ITS TERRITORY..

i read it the first time u posted the link

completely

and i mainly offered a different perspective/view with regard to my interpretation of 'AIRCRAFT READINESS/AVAILABILITY' vis a vis operational availability and turn around time

nemesis4u:


i read it the first time u posted the link

completely

and i mainly offered a different perspective/view with regard to my interpretation of 'AIRCRAFT READINESS/AVAILABILITY' vis a vis operational availability and turn around time

Gripens have a short turnaround time. In fact the shortest of the two.

I know kikuyu1, mikeCZA, and 61mech have views on this:
it is way past time to retire Grandad's WW2 Ma Deuce. Hell, even the little Hornet can carry the 20mm GA-1. Get rid of the Browning and mount the GA-1 on all our combat land vehicles - Geckos, Hornets, Mambas and Casspirs (I know the GA-1 is WW2 vintage also, but as patches689 says, it's all about the dakka) .

I can't wait to see the Inkunzi Strike - at 13 kg and 85 cm, smaller and lighter than the Browning; automatic belt feed firing 350 round/minute of the innovative 20X42mm round in HEI, SAPHEI, etc - mounted on the Hornet.

nemesis4u:


i read it the first time u posted the link

completely

and i mainly offered a different perspective/view with regard to my interpretation of 'AIRCRAFT READINESS/AVAILABILITY' vis a vis operational availability and turn around time

Your view is highly regarded... Since you're the professor of this forum.

frumentius:

You're quite demanding, sheesh! How would one accommodate a miniaturised "designator"? Already the day helicopter has 3 cameras; one looking forward, one looking straight down, and one pointing downward at 45 degrees. The night helicopter has 2, one electro-optical sensor and the thermal sensor, both looking downward at 45 degrees.

Me, I'd prefer they develop a version for use in GPS-denied environments, and maybe an extension to the current LOS range of 1.6km.

ur thinking like a soldier , cant blame u for that

my fault i guess i should have elaborated it a little

'marker' aka 'spy dust' aka 'tracers' aka 'tracking materials' aka 'trap materials' etc etc

these r especial substances which r undetectable unless viewed under special light or special lenses

u must have heard of marked currency

something like that but much more sophisticated, these have to be delivered/sprayed/dropped on the target which is a big headache

that little gizmo u posted could make life more easier

ActivateKruger:


Gripens have a short turnaround time. In fact the shortest of the two.

yeah they do

gripen is a understanding girl

su30 is a bit feisty

GreenandGold:
Somewhere in my phone are pics of a South African registered Blackhawk. It's going public in December. You'll have to kill me and cut my fingerprints to get the pictures

Your mate works for Leading Edge Aviation? $2 million for only the 2nd Black Hawk to enter civilian service outside the US? With another one expected possibly next year?

It'll be painted yellow soon as its retirement will comprise fire-fighting .

...fin.

ActivateKruger:


Wait, you went to Stickerz place and took selfies in a Blackhawk and you don't call me? Not cool bro

Detour. Not an intended trip.

frumentius:


Your mate works for Leading Edge Aviation? $2 million for only the 2nd Black Hawk to enter civilian service outside the US? With another one expected possibly next year?

It'll be painted yellow soon as its retirement will comprise fire-fighting .

Haha. Where did you get those. You're not fair.

My friend is a technician at the old airport where it's currently stationed. It is being repainted. Its white as we speak. Its huuuuuge.

frumentius:


Your mate works for Leading Edge Aviation? $2 million for only the 2nd Black Hawk to enter civilian service outside the US? With another one expected possibly next year?

It'll be painted yellow soon as its retirement will comprise fire-fighting .

Aha, thanks Frums - so much for "you'll have to kill me and cut my fingerprints".

GreenandGold:


Haha. Where did you get those. You're not fair.

My friend is a technician at the old airport where it's currently stationed. It is being repainted. Its white as we speak. Its huuuuuge.

Only the SASFB gets to import military equipment (new and used) with a months-long delay on public declaration. Even then, my work means I soon get to know.

Seriously though, once they filed their NCACC import forms I kept a look-out and since some of the principals are Reserve Force members, it's also on a closed military facebook page.

please who has any update? has the iraqi government troops assaulted peshmerga positions yet?

frumentius:


Only the SASFB gets to import military equipment (new and used) with a months-long delay on public declaration. Even then, my work means I soon get to know.

Seriously though, once they filed their NCACC import forms I kept a look-out and since some of the principals are Reserve Force members, it's also on a closed military facebook page.

Unfair access

Speaking of medium-lift helicopters, in 2025 we'll have to replace our 39 Oryx. We missed a trick by closing the production line and selling the un-used Puma air frames which could've formed the base for Oryx2. As it is, our current Oryx is on par with the latest Airbus H225M. With budgets being as niggardly, we won't afford the H225M.

2 choices really: new Mil Mi-17s which we would have to modify for African conditions (as we did with the Puma); or used Black Hawks which we'd also need to similarly modify.
Personally, I'd plumb for the slightly used carefully-chosen UH-60.

GreenandGold:
The SAAF, not sure if this is allowed.

Very much allowed. Till some idiot posts videos online of 16 Squadron practicing Rooivalk low passes .
It's not for nothing our egg-beaters are the 1st choice of ALL the contingents comprising the UN MONUSCO in the DRC. Infuriates FIB Command when Saffers aren't available for CAS, trooping and Medevac because of MONUSCO taskings on convoy escort, VIP transport/escort esp. at night etc.
We really should've done like the EU countries in the Mali UN mission: "our air assets serve the combat mission first, then the peace-keeping mission."

But anyway, an Oryx pier-landing is small beer when that rubbish A109 is approved for mountain flying and rescue ops in Giant's Castle in the Drakensberg. .

This response leaves me cold. As I've always said, we post here as individuals. I was perplexed at the individual voters in Imo State who elected, and dare I say, continue to support a governor who pulls such stunts as honouring Jacob Zuma.
I am encouraged by the many respondents here who've objected to iblawi's crude collectivist smear of individual Nigerians who happen to share some traits with the clown who currently governs Imo State.

Hopefully, this enlightened posture will endure and be applied when the usual charlatans seek to deviously escape individual accountability by portraying particular contretemps as generalised nationalistic conflicts i.e. a random couple who happen to possess Nigerian passports disagreeing with me being portrayed as "Nigeria vs South Africa".

What can I say, I'm just an naive Afro-optimist!

P.S. iblawi, mate, that "apology" insults everyone here.

lionel4power:
since we've all calmed down...

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any remarks on this... [Analysis] South African Air Force Gripen versus Angolan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30K flanker who wins?

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http://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2017/10/analysis-south-african-air-force-gripen.html?m=1

plagiarism.

MikeCZA:
plagiarism.

how?.... explain