9jaDoc:


I am against secession for personal financial reasons, but do u think it fair that people can't vote on wether they want to stay a part of an organization?

bro hw can it be fair
when d hausas wanted to leave d british told dem wat dy stood to lose and hence dy became one naija chanters
seeing dia masters doing it d afonja slaves had no choice but to do d same

Leez:


we all know d dirty cowardly spineless tribe
cant survive without d gambaris n afonjas yet dy are asking for a referendum
if i were u d silence of igbo leaders on secession will jolt ur brain but then once a slave always a slave

Don't mind the slaves.How would Yoruba allow an ojuku..a slave to rule over the freeborn.He was even a tribalist..a chameleon.. a coward.. a documented slave.He would have done what in Yorubaland for God sake?What did the slave do in his slave enclave when he eventually used tribalism to remove Eta?

Ofemannnu:


Don't mind the slaves.How would Yoruba allow d great Zik..a freeborn to rule over the gambari slaves.Awo was even a tribalist..a chameleon.. a coward.. a documented slave.He would have freed Yorubaland from slavery for God sake?Awo our house nigga took rat poison after trying one coup too many

Fixed

Awo is an APPLICATION, a PROPHET and GOD in his own Right. A Prophet doesn't care to deliver spiritual message without fear or favour. Jesus never bothered being caught for His Actions. The case of rat poison was just speculation. Ojukwu was quoted that Awo was The President Nigeria never had. Awo was Gowon's, Babangida's and Muritala's hero. The Fulanis had always had plans to handle Awo's ambitions negatively, because they feared him and couldn't cope with Awo's Intelligence. And so it was Buhari and Idiagbon that sought to humiliate Awo in 1984.

orisa37:
Awo is an APPLICATION, a PROPHET and GOD in his own Right. A Prophet doesn't care to deliver spiritual message without fear or favour. Jesus never bothered being caught for His Actions. The case of rat poison was just speculation. Ojukwu was quoted that Awo was The President Nigeria never had. Awo was Gowon's, Babangida's and Muritala's hero. The Fulanis had always had plans to handle Awo's ambitions negatively, because they feared him and couldn't cope with Awo's Intelligence. And so it was Buhari and Idiagbon that sought to humiliate Awo in 1984.

We are discussing Awo's controversies here not wether he was God. His own bossom men narrated how where and why he committed suicide not Igbos. They also implied he was corrupt not Igbos. So why don't u attack them instead you are attacking Igbos. Does that make sense to u?

Leez:
Fixed

lol..a slave will always be a slave..

Ofemannnu:
lol..a slave will always be a slave..

lol ok yolobat moslem

Igbo's and lies are like 5&6. They have taken lies from business sense to political propaganda. I wonder what kind of indoctrination their elders passed down to them.

Awolowo was no match for Zik and Tafawa Balewa. Zik was a stupid leader who could neither learn from history, happenings in the now, and hence lacked sense of direction. The other was just a religious bigot.

The legacies of the trio still speak. What has Zik left for Igbo nation? Confusion. Identity crisis. It is on record that Awolowo suggested a clause of cessation if union of constituent parts of Nigeria didn't work out within 25 years any aggrieved party could go having learned from history how the Fulani jihadist wanted to 'dip the Qur'an into the sea.' The wars Yoruba fought with jihadists in Ilorin, Igbajo etc. Blind Zik refused to see. He, Awo, understood the evil of oligarchy in the north. He opted for opposition. This Yoruba played in his life time until now that SW actively participate in a central government for a purpose not yet realized - restructuring.

Yes, he practised tribal politics. He was a leader, primarily of his people. He was a learned person, one of the few in his time. He saw tomorrow through the eyes of knowledge. He took his own ignorant people from pursuing blind leaders. He embarked on mass literacy campaign. One of attributes of great leadership is foresight and vision.


Zik became the fist president and Balewa the PM.Next two military heads of state were Igbo's l. They wanted Igbo dynasty. Hausa resisted them and have since subdued Igbo's,What followed thereon to Igbo race was an avoidable civil war that killed many innocent Nigerians and decimated Biafrans.



Awo led his own people to be self reliant and focused. He intervened to keep the friendship of Hausa - Igbo alliance alive. The war was won losing many Yoruba's, his own people!

Today, disgruntled, Ill - informed Igbos would write lies about Awo. The would whin woes they befell them to the hears of Awo who should be resting in peace also disturbing on media his people who never for once complained about Zik or Balewa.

What do Igbo's actually want from Awo or Yoruba's? Fight for a directionless people of no known descent? People of not clear identity or direction?

I beg let Awo rest in peace and his people live in peace. Biko.

MightySparrow:
Igbo's and lies are like 5&6. They bhave taken lies from business sense to political propaganda. I wonder what kind of indoctrination their elders passed down to them.

Awolowo was no match for Zik and Tafawa Balewa. Zik was a stupid leader who could neither learn from history, happenings in the now, and hence lacked sense of direction. The other was just a religious bigot. The legacies of the trio still speak. What has Zik left for Igbo nation? Confusion. Identity crisis. It is on record that Awolowo suggested a clause of cessation if union of constituent parts of Nigeria didn't work out within 25 years any aggrieved party could go having learned from history how the Fulani jihadist wanted to 'dip the Qur'an into the sea.' The wars Yoruba fought with jihadists is Ilorin, Igbajo etc. Blind Zik refused to see. He, Awo, understood the evil of oligarchy in the north. He opted for opposition. This Yoruba played in his life time until now that SW actively participate in a central government.

Yes, he practised tribal politics. He was a leader, primarily of his people. He was a learned person, one of the few in his time. He saw tomorrow through the eyes of knowledge. He took his own ignorant people from pursuing blind leaders. He embarked on mass litrscy campaign. One of attributes of grst leadership is foresight and vision. What followed thereon to Igbo race was an avoidable civil war that killed many innocent Nigerians and decimated Biafrans.

Zik became the fist president and Balewa the PM.
Next two military heads of state were Igbo's l. They wanted Igbo dynasty. Hausa resisted them and have sons subdued Igbo's.

Awo led his own people to be self reliant and focused.

He intervened to keep the friendship of Hausa - Igbo alliance alive. The war was won losing many Yoruba's.
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Today, disgruntled, ikl - informed Igbos would write lies about Awo. The would whin woes they befell them to the hears of Awo who be resting in peace also disturbing on media his people who never for once complained about Zik or Balewa.

What do Igbo's want from Awo or Yoruba's? Fight for a directionless people of no known descent? People of not clear identity or direction?

I beg let Awo rest in peace and his people live in peace. Biko.

But this thread is about Awo's controversies not Zik or Igbos. Zik was not an Igbo leader so he didn't have to.do anything for Igbos. He was ZIK OF AFRICA not Zik of Igbos. He was an African.leader.and that's what he set out to be. So, back to the topic. Do u think Awo was corrupt? If not, why not. The story of his suicide told by his own supporters seems very believable to me. Google it. Do u think he promised Ojukwu secession? Do u think he.wanted.to.starve Igbos? Gowon's promise? And so.on. That's what THIS thread is about. Try to focus on.that.

GhanaMustGoo:


But this thread is about Awo's controversies not Zik or Igbos. Zik was not an Igbo leader so he didn't have to.do anything for Igbos. He was ZIK OF AFRICA not Zik of Igbos. He was an African.leader.and that's what he set out to be. So, back to the topic. Do u think Awo was corrupt? If not, why not. The story of his suicide told by his own supporters seems very believable to me. Google it. Do u think he promised Ojukwu secession? Do u think he.wanted.to.starve Igbos? Gowon's promise? And so.on. That's what THIS thread is about. Try to focus on.that.

Leave his controversies alone. We all have, each, one our own. Any insults on that man is not acceptable from deluded lies monger tribe.

MightySparrow:
Igbo's and lies are like 5&6. They have taken lies from business sense to political propaganda. I wonder what kind of indoctrination their elders passed down to them.

Awolowo was no match for Zik and Tafawa Balewa. Zik was a stupid leader who could neither learn from history, happenings in the now, and hence lacked sense of direction. The other was just a religious bigot.

The legacies of the trio still speak. What has Zik left for Igbo nation? Confusion. Identity crisis. It is on record that Awolowo suggested a clause of cessation if union of constituent parts of Nigeria didn't work out within 25 years any aggrieved party could go having learned from history how the Fulani jihadist wanted to 'dip the Qur'an into the sea.' The wars Yoruba fought with jihadists in Ilorin, Igbajo etc. Blind Zik refused to see. He, Awo, understood the evil of oligarchy in the north. He opted for opposition. This Yoruba played in his life time until now that SW actively participate in a central government for a purpose not yet realized - restructuring.

Yes, he practised tribal politics. He was a leader, primarily of his people. He was a learned person, one of the few in his time. He saw tomorrow through the eyes of knowledge. He took his own ignorant people from pursuing blind leaders. He embarked on mass literacy campaign. One of attributes of great leadership is foresight and vision.


Zik became the fist president and Balewa the PM.Next two military heads of state were Igbo's l. They wanted Igbo dynasty. Hausa resisted them and have sons subdued Igbo's,What followed thereon to Igbo race was an avoidable civil war that killed many innocent Nigerians and decimated Biafrans.



Awo led his own people to be self reliant and focused. He intervened to keep the friendship of Hausa - Igbo alliance alive. The war was won losing many Yoruba's, his own people!

Today, disgruntled, I'll - informed Igbos would write lies about Awo. The would whin woes they befell them to the hears of Awo who should be resting in peace also disturbing on media his people who never for once complained about Zik or Balewa.

What do Igbo's actually want from Awo or Yoruba's? Fight for a directionless people of no known descent? People of not clear identity or direction?

I beg let Awo rest in peace and his people live in peace. Biko.

Like I've said several times, Awo is a great man. Whoever doesn't believe so is not being sincere. But in this thread we are looking at controversies attached to him, the basis for those controversies, and pros and cons as to whether they are justified. That's enough for one thread. You should post your views and arguments on that for the record.
Also, as moderator, I'm obligated to unequivocally condemn your hateful bigoted language.

Ofemannnu:


Funny but real facts..

BiafraAngitator :
Other tribes insult us because they're jealous of
our success.
We control 90% of the industries in Nigeria
We are very intelligent and resourceful
Fun fact: We're pigs but our leader is a Cow
named Kownu
I find great pride in being a P&I, so I made my
own profile. Read and enjoy:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phyllum: Chordata
Clade: Synapsida
Class: Mammalia
Order: 90% Artiodactyla 10% Primates [90% Pigs
and 10% Gorillas]
Family: Suidae (90%) & Hominidae (10%)
Tribe: Gorillini
Genus: Sus and Gorilla
Habitat: Mud huts and dirty ditches
Diet: Soups that look like human shiit. We're also
cannibals and we enjoy eating human flesh
Relationship with humans: Very anti-social
Culture: We have none. We have no idea where
our ancestors came from. In fact, we only
started wearing clothes in 1921.
Lifespan: Our lifespan is usually cut short by
executions in Malaysia, China, Indonesia, India,
South Africa, Thailand, Vietnam and other
countries we have developed.
Intelligence: We are low animals with very poor
IQ
Description:
1. As a pig and idiot myself, I have a large flat
head and big nose.
2. We are known to be savages and low-IQ
animals. We're also domestic animals who are
slaves to Southwesterners and Northerners.
3. Cannibalism is very common among us. Young
piglets sometimes go savage and kill their
parents.
4. Sometimes it's the other way round - Mothers
pigs attack their piglets and devour them raw
when frustrated.
5. We are very low on the food chain which
leaves us vulnerable to predators.
6. We are known to be cowards and weaklings. I
grew up watching my hairy mother beat my
father up many times.
7. We're very irresponsible and love blaming
others for their shortcomings.
8. Our women are special breeds for prostitution.
Its why we occupy 99% of the brothels in other
regions.
9. The only god we worship is Money. It's why
we engage in Baby factories, rituals, drugs,
kidnapping and many other things.
10. Our female Pigs can be identified with hairy
chests, yam legs and very horrible mouth odour.
11. We are the dirtiest species walking the
surface of this planet. Even God knows this and
it's why he blessed us with red mud lands. We
love swimming in our mud.
12. Our population is dwindling by the day. Adult
male pigs are being killed in different parts of
the world everyday. We're on the brink of
extinction, please text "Save The Pigs" to 247419
to help us out.
13. We don't know who our ancestors were and
we still don't have our own country. In other
words, we're pigs of no nation.
14. We're the rejects of everyone. Even Israel
disgraced and repudiated us when we claimed to
be jews.
15. We're very anti-social towards our hosts and
it's why we're the most despicable people on
earth.
16. We're parasites who contribute nothing to
our host states. We're tax cheats and lowlife
criminals. Our survival depends on other regions.
17. We can't survive without our western and
northern neighbors. We can't provide for our
families without their money. They're very
important in our miserable lives.
18. We're known to shiit where we eat. We're
ungrateful bastards who can never appreciate
favors.
19. We're ingrates and uncultured bastards.
20. We like forceful attaches. We like claiming to
be what we're not. Yesterday, we were jews.
Today, we're gorillas and pigs. Tomorrow, we'll
be worms who evolved from the faeces of
Daenerys Targaryen's dragon. Our story
changes constantly.
21. Some of us are light-skinned because our
yam-legged mothers were riding the dicks of
white people when they first visited our lands as
missionaries.
22. We discriminate against our fellow pigs even
though we're all slaves.
23. We're cowards and weaklings. The only
weapons we can wield are our mouth and
keyboard. We can never put our words into
actions. For example, we threatened Fulani
herdsmen but hid in our mud huts like rats when
they brought the fight to our doorstep.
Thousands of our hairy yam-legged women were
killed and raped brutally in Enugu, yet we did
nothing. Oh wait, we did something - We ranted
on nairaland as usual.

As moderator I am obligated to unequivocally condemn your hateful bigoted language.
But why don't you use your time productively by saying things that make a bit of sense. Everybody knows Igbos are not slaves - neither are Yorubas. So why waste your time saying it.
In this thread we are looking at controversies attached to Awo, the basis for those controversies, and pros and cons as to whether they are justified. That's enough for one thread. It would be a more productive use of your time to post your views and arguments on those for the
record.

WetinConsignMe:


Like I've said several times, Awo is a great man. Whoever doesn't believe so is not being sincere. But in this thread we are looking at controversies attached to him, the basis for those controversies, and pros and cons as to whether they are justified. That's enough for one thread. You should post your views and arguments on that for the record.
Also, as moderator, I'm obligated to unequivocally condemn your hateful bigoted language.

Thanks for your observation and correction.
You have demonstrated more of maturity than I. I wrote from the point view of anger with some who write all manner of bad things about Awo.

A times such write up could be provocative.
I did know you were not among those who could write or contribute hateful things about others.

I am deeply sorry for that, biko, joor, yankuri.

Leez:


we all know d dirty cowardly spineless tribe
cant survive without d gambaris n afonjas yet dy are asking for a referendum
if i were u d silence of igbo leaders on secession will jolt ur brain but then once a slave always a slave

I am not exactly sure on whose side you are. But it doesn't matter.
As moderator, I unequivocally condemn your hateful bigoted language.

konoplyanka:


Using a fictitious adeyinka adebayo who was obviously an IBO man writing craps about yoruba using a revered general's name shows your dubious intention. The adeyonka adebayo has long been debunked.

Any human with average IQ would know that Nigeria has always been tribal before the event. Did Awolowo caused the massacre of IBO's in the north in 1945?

You are the first person to truly get to the heart of the matter and make sense.

MightySparrow:





Thanks for your observation and correction.
You have demonstrated more of maturity than I. I wrote from the point view of anger with some who write all manner of bad things about Awo.

A times such write up could be provocative.
I did know you were not among those who could write or contribute hateful things about others.

I am deeply sorry for that, biko, joor, yankuri.

Oh, of course I understand. Comments on NL can provoke beyond measure if you let them.
But you know these things are already in public domain.
All it takes is access to Google. The more you seem to be trying to sweep them under the rug, the more odious and sinister they seem.
The best thing is to air them out and add your own two cents. Besides Awo is too interesting a topic anyway. You'll never be able to stop people talking about him.

Michael004:
[s][/s]Give the name of the Fulani man. No amount of story would change what zik did in u University College. Or you want to tell me the 96 igbo were qualified for the post then?

Mallam Umaru Altine is his name.

In the 60s, u don't get a job in SW because u are yoruba, u get a job as per excellence, The most intelligent takes all....... There's nothing confusing about this.

koladebrainiac:
lol how cum u know its rat poison? no wonder u guys stop ur kids from going to school just because of bogus rumor on monkeypox. you guys and ignorance eh

But the same thing happened in the southwest too Na, and even north east, the ignorance is everywhere my brother.

You will never understand!!!

WetinConsignMe:

I am not exactly sure on whose side you are. But it doesn't matter. As moderator, I unequivocally condemn your hateful bigoted language.

i am a full blooded nwa igbo

Leez:

i am a full blooded nwa igbo

So did someone hijack your acct to post this:

"we all know d dirty cowardly spineless tribe
cant survive without d gambaris n afonjas yet dy are asking for a referendum
if i were u d silence of igbo leaders on secession will jolt ur brain but then once a slave always a slave"

WetinConsignMe:


So did someone hijack your acct to post this:

"we all know d dirty cowardly spineless tribe
cant survive without d gambaris n afonjas yet dy are asking for a referendum
if i were u d silence of igbo leaders on secession will jolt ur brain but then once a slave always a slave"

was a rhetorical question to d bigot i quoted

So we are now at #5.
Here it is:

5) That Awo promised Ojukwu personally, and later said publicly, that the West would secede if Biafra seceded.


Well, it depends on how u interprete what Awo said publicly and whether u believe what he was said to have said to Ojukwu and to others privately.

My own take is that Awo was in no shape to be leading a secession. He just got out of jail, he needed some rest and probably money, plus he was surrounded by northern soldiers who were closely monitoring him. Plus he was not military with an army at his command like Ojukwu. Plus the few senior Yoruba military officers were one-Nigeria.

As to whether he made the promise at all, here are what were said by various people and by Awo himself:
TO BE CONT'D

masseratti, 9jaDoc, T9ksy, giftq, Ovamboland, oladeebo, Dedetwo raumdeuter, VillageWinch, Leez, fergie001, PenSniper, GhanaMustGoo, PrecisionFx, Ofemannnu
IJOBA2, CaptainJeffry, DanseMacabre, tawa89,
GoldNiagara, AlPeter, Blue3k, Justiceleague1, Nalikedis
diadem10, logica, vivere, CeterisXVII, Uglyojuku, orisa37
lawani, omonnakoda, zenmaster, koladebrainiac, Michael004, SHAKABOOM

IamaNigerianGuy:


You are the first person to truly get to the heart of the matter and make sense.

I know. Also did u know Dimka has.been.debunked. He was actually an.IBO! And.it has been proven Zik was actually from.Chad! Unbelievable.

Nigeria problems weak person,we have been unfortunate to have leaders who think about family,tribe and religion first before the welfare of the country.
I wasn't there but from aggregation of history,
Awolowo went for his tribe and his family,who still benefits from Govt today.
Ahmadu Bello was all about his Fulani tribe and dominance on other tribes.
Azikiwe was for his family and only his family.

Looking at all this 3,none thought about Nigeria,so first and foremost with the generational shift,let us think about Nigeria,that is my humble and honest opinion.

fergie001:
Nigeria problems weak person,we have been unfortunate to have leaders who think about family,tribe and religion first before the welfare of the country.
I wasn't there but from aggregation of history,
Awolowo went for his tribe and his family,who still benefits from Govt today.
Ahmadu Bello was all about his Fulani tribe and dominance on other tribes.
Azikiwe was for his family and only his family.

Looking at all this 3,none thought about Nigeria,so first and foremost with the generational shift,let us think about Nigeria,that is my humble and honest opinion.

Beg.to disagree. Zik was different. Very different. His main.focus was.trully freeing Africa from imperialism. Remember he also fought for.Ghana But I also think it was because his life was in the West and he spoke all three languages. He didn't want to be suddenly living in a foreign country. That's why he was for one forever-united Nigeria, with no chance of secession of any.part.

fergie001:
Nigeria problems weak person,we have been unfortunate to have leaders who think about family,tribe and religion first before the welfare of the country.
I wasn't there but from aggregation of history,
Awolowo went for his tribe and his family,who still benefits from Govt today.
Ahmadu Bello was all about his Fulani tribe and dominance on other tribes.
Azikiwe was for his family and only his family.

Looking at all this 3,none thought about Nigeria,so first and foremost with the generational shift,let us think about Nigeria,that is my humble and honest opinion.

You, my man, are a Danite (or DANite)

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**We Danites try to see individuals for what they are, not tribe.
** We try to see people as human beings, as individuals, not groups or tribes. We are too big to be just tribe. We see ourselves as human beings, as black people, as Africans, as NIGERIANS, then, way down the list, tribe.
**We make posts against tribal bigotry and hatred and posts supporting detribalization and unity of Nigeria. While seeking solutions for her innumerable problems, we encourage love for our beloved country, Nigeria, and we encourage inter-tribal connections and cooperation.
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PrecisionFx:



Mallam Umaru Altine is his name.

In the 60s, u don't get a job in SW because u are yoruba, u get a job as per excellence, The most intelligent takes all....... There's nothing confusing about this.

U just totally shut the guy up!

VERDA:


But the same thing happened in the southwest too Na, and even north east, the ignorance is everywhere my brother.

Couldn't put it betterr. Andvstill happening as wrr speak.

VERDA:


But the same thing happened in the southwest too Na, and even north east, the ignorance is everywhere my brother.

Couldn't have put it betterr. And stilll happening as we speak.

orisa37:
You will never understand!!!

Understand wat

WetinConsignMe:


You, my man, are a Danite (or DANite)

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**Danites are members of DAN (Detribalised Association of Nigeria)
**We Danites try to see individuals for what they are, not tribe.
** We try to see people as human beings, as individuals, not groups or tribes. We are too big to be just tribe. We see ourselves as human beings, as black people, as Africans, as NIGERIANS, then, way down the list, tribe.
Thank you Sir.

**We make posts against tribal bigotry and hatred and posts supporting detribalization and unity of Nigeria. While seeking solutions for her innumerable problems, we encourage love for our beloved country, Nigeria, and we encourage inter-tribal connections and cooperation.
**Other than these core values, any other views expressed by any Danite are his own views and do not reflect the views of any other Danite.
**DAN is not on the side of any person, group, or party.

Honestly,that's the truth,they set the foundations of the hate,my generation has promoted.
Why should I fill religion on my civil service form?
Why should I say I will never marry igbo or Yoruba,etc?
We have not learnt,it hurts me that our institutions are fancy,because we see supposed literates promoting this nonsense.
When politicians frolick with one another,they do not remember tribe or religion.
Once they fall out,they now remind us and the painful part is that "fellow cheap articles" will join them in this rendezvous of craze.

How much shall I pay for my freedom?
Institutions of cohesion like the NOA,NYSC,etc have been bastardised.

As a country,we must return to basics.
The North is not our problem.
We are OUR problem.