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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:13am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Humility017: We will still go through all the points, edit and prioritise them and possibly be silent over some so it would nt seem as if we are teaching the NFF and the coaching crew their jobs. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:15am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie:Hahaha sit and watch. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:18am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie:Hahaha, sit watch and see. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:22am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Sir the NFA already had a series of problems with Troussier, one of which was his refusing to return to Lagos (maybe for the LG cup?) There is no news about Troussier's firing before the LG cup. It's not out of place for Sinclair to lead Nigeria there, especially if Sinclair was his assistant. The 3rd place match of the LG cup was held on August 9th (http://www.rsssf.com/tablesl/lgcup97.html). So most likely the finals between Nigeria and Tunisia was held the same day. Our DEAD-RUBBER game against Guinea took place August 16th. Take note, it was a dead rubber, Nigeria had already qualified. Now did Troussier retuturn to prosecute that match? I will research further. Firstly, I want to check who Trousier's assistants were. ANSWERS TO THE ABOVE: https://www.supersport.com/football/football-features/news/110415/QA_with_Monday_Sinclair Nnamdi Njoku asked: How did you deel when you were not allowed to take the Super Eagles to the France 98 world cup after you and Phillipe Trousier qualified the team for the world cup? Sinclair answered answered: Thanks Nnamdi. Well, people who were closer to the 'powers that be" took our jobs and we were asked to step out! I was disappointed, naturally because Coaching at the World Cup is the apex of Coaching and to be denied was quite a blow but then life goes on. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:23am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 11:26am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie:na only you get the honor of showing her her room now and na only you get the "my" status for now |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:28am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie: When we mention some of these players, we also have to remember the crop of players they had to contend with. Was Richard Owubokiri better than Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:28am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie:I thought i said different scenario,so am not comparing. Owubokiri had a goal,Westerhoff refused to call him again, Aluko had a brace,refused to get a call again from national team. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:29am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:But better than Efan Ekoku |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:34am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie: First of all, thank you for your post. I am not trying to contradict your post. Unfortunately this was not in the internet era where we can pull out all the details. 1997 is not today. SINCLAIR: If Troussier decides to quit (as he has earlier threatened), Chief coach Monday Sinclair should take charge of the Eagles against the Harambee Stars of Kenya. Are you panicked? Oh, it should be apprehension, as according to Monaco striker, Victor Ikpeba: "Nigerian Europe-based players don't respect local coaches." https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/soc.culture.nigeria/2FWgj0HeWh4 There was a fall out in camp and Troussier was not in the country during the preparation. Maybe, he came back for the match, to be honest with you, I can not remember. I will dig too. If Sinclair was Troussier's assistant? Yes. Just like the link shows. Not trying to upset you in any way, if I am doing so. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:35am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Icon4s: I will like to address your number 2 and 3. The players in my opinion where rightly banned because I remembered those players were so rude and indisciplined. They were finally banned when some players scorned the Minister. I thank God those set of players were thrown out of the Eagles else mafiarism for still dey national team. I am not saying senior players should be banned but if there is any player causing problems and distractions in the team, he should be kicked out. 3 The national team was disbanded with the intention of building a new team hence the injection of upcoming talented players like Vincent Enyeama (unknown keeper in the local league thought he won the league that year with Eyimba), John Utaka (he was an unknown player in Qatar league), Femi Opabumi (second highest goalscorer and 3rd best player at 2001 U17, and was bought by Grasshopper who were the current champions of Switzerland), Bartholomew Ogbeche (A regular starter in PSG at 17 as at then), Austin Ejide (unknown with Gabros in the local league) and James Obiora (had played 30 games for Anderlecht prior to that Mundial). This was done to get them exposure and experience, it was never for them to do well and I can tell you that it paid us. Since, Amuneke, Finidi, Olishe etc were rightly axed from the team, it was expected to draft these upcoming talented players to the team. Ogbeche deserved to go to the world Cup based on his exploits with PSG as at that time. He was the Mbappe of this day then. How can France ignore him because he's young and inexperience? About what happened to their career after the world cup. Bros, Ogbeche was simply ignored for years despite the fact that he played regularly for PSG with the likes of Ronaldinho and Jay Jay Okocha. Well, many strikers springed up doing his days. This guy is still playing in the Eredivise and his goal return is very impressive there. Femi Opabumi was bought immediately after the world cup by the Champions of Switzerland Grasshopper. He played regularly the next season in the league and also played in the UEFA cup. After that season he went to France where he had eyes problem. He almost went blind. The rest they say is history. James Obiora was very consistent with Locomotive Moscow for 2 years after the world cup before he went to other clubs. He had a memorable club career but he was still ignored for National duties. I don't need to tell you what happened to the relatively unknown Vincent Enyeama, Austin Ejide and John Utaka. In a nutshell, Onigbinde very good at spotting talented players. His players are not Chinko products that last after a tournament like the ones Stephen Keshi discovered. If you can remember, Onigbinde discarded Odegbami and co from the team after they won the first nations cup in 1980 and brought young unknown players like Stephen Keshi, Yekini etc We played better with those young boys against England. On taking over as the Nigerian coach, there were no untouchables, he got rid of the usual suspects including Adokiye and Odegbami and brought in players young, untested players who he felt could fulfill his tactical ideals. In came Kingsley Paul, Stephen Keshi, Sunday Eboigbe, Yisa Sofoluwe, Ademola Edeshina, Humphrey Edobor, Bala Ali, Chibuzo Ehilegbu, James Etokebe, Ayo Ogunlana, etc. Who are they I hear you mutter. Exactly. With this team he reached the finals of African Cup of Nations. For his poacher of a striker, he found it in a young man (Rashidi Yekini) playing for an obscure team in the Nigerian Third Division called UNTL Kaduna. His teams where often the most disciplined and tactically astute Nigerian teams, unfortunately, history may judge him based on his last stint as the national team manager. http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/threads/festus-onigbinde-the-best-ever-indigenous-coach.38636/ 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by libero808(f): 11:35am On Oct 25, 2017 |
ok you have settled this matter case closed besides, interesting Sinclair interview! Joebie: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:42am On Oct 25, 2017 |
it's a discussion.. I can't be uspet. I agree. I doubt if we even had internet then in Nigeria. But well i've just pulled out an interview. And we have heard from the horse's mouth. And it's a very credible source. Your most recent link only shows that there had been problems. It did not say Troussier did not return for that Kenya match. But I bet you If it was actually just Sinclair that took charge of the Kenya match, we Nigerians would never have given the white which doctor credits for qualifying us. All the sources so far gave credit to Troussier not Sinclair. And we've had same discussion here earlier that it was Troussier who qualified us for the France 98 World Cup. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:45am On Oct 25, 2017 |
This Monday Sinclair argument no too make sense na 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:47am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Icon4s: Are you saying you did not watch repeated terrible games from Garba Lawal? Was he a good player yes but was he quality? No. I highlighted the Spain goal. Watch it again. That was meant to be a cross and Garba had repeated incidences like that. I am not the only one who criticised Garba's relevance to the team. As for Shehu, he earned praises long before the Zambia game. The only critique some people had against him was playing for Cyprus. For me, it has never been a problem. I am always of the opinion that a good player can be found any where and called for repeated screening, not taking into consideration club, role or status. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:51am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Really interesting my sister!.. I just got off from reading the interview myself. In one of Sinclair's responses which buttresses some points I've been making here. Talking about formation, he said back in the days you could tell the formation a team was playing by watching them play. But today it's only clear before the start of the match. In fact, today, teams are more dynamic than ever. Only a few outfield players are a little rigid. libero808: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:52am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Icon4s: Owubokiri was second highest goal scorer in Europe. Give the young man credit. I doubt Amokachi, Siasia and the great Yekini could achieve that. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:54am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Only me?!? make she call you "my" make u free me oh. ![]() kingphilip: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 11:55am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Mickael2:both of them are around now so our thinking might not be right afterall |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:56am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Kog45: In what context? Efan Ekoku was even rated by many to be better than Yekini. The debate then was Yekini/Efan. Owubokiri was making waves but not much highly rated by the coaching crew. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:56am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie: This is actually only true for the Epl. Watch Spanish teams, infact Deportivo vs Girona and all the times you could see the formation clearly except during the last 5minutes which is acceptable. This is Girona and Deportivo, watch top Spanish teams and you will know their formation, even Barca B and Lugo keep to their formation all 90minutes. Watch German teams too and French teams. Watch that match between PSG and Anderletch, despite the gulf in class PSG still maintained their 4-3-3 formation at all times, they only become dynamic in the final third and only their front three can switch position, and this is how it has always been, a formation is determined mainly from the shape the team has during their build-up, once you enter that final third you can go anywhere and stand so long as you score. I will have to disagree with Coach Sinclair here except he meant the Epl alone |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 11:57am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Joebie:na the first spot matter ![]() the second and subsequent spots isn't relevant |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:58am On Oct 25, 2017 |
kingphilip: wow!!! So you got what I was saying. Sha I thought you didn't grab so I kukuma change the comment ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:58am On Oct 25, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: There was no way Owubokiri would have displaced any of our strikers then. Even the highly fancied Efan Ekoku could not. Go and dig up another Monday Sinclair's boys again. I dey wait you. You have not mentioned Emmanuel Ebiede. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:59am On Oct 25, 2017 |
it may have been more rigid then.. take note he was making a comparison. And yes I agree with you.. But my stance has always been players play several roles, despite having a primary position. in fact, most outfield players play more than one position during a game. Mickael2: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:01pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
haha.. I think i know what you both might be thinking.. hahaha.. interesting!!!! ![]() kingphilip: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 12:01pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
Mickael2:i even wanted to add it in my comment you quoted but i had to remove it before posting and after posting i saw both of them online. and Joebie started cheering her for squaring up with TheGoodJoe 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:01pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
haha.. I think i know what you both might be thinking.. hahaha.. interesting!!!! kingphilip: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:04pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
na Onyekuru vs Simon come make sense.. we just digged out something from nowhere.. I think this is one of the most enlightening, fact-finding argument we have ever had especially as regards the limitations.. you agree with me TheGoodJoe ? Mickael2: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:04pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
kingphilip: Me sha, not yet convinced. He come call am 'Sir', despite the clear indications say na 'Ma', I no know if you grab the idea |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:05pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
Icon4s: Better. As I keep saying, coaches have their context of selection and I respect that. I will use Gabriel Jesus and Iheanacho (I beg do not vex for reference points). I see Gabby miss some goals and I shake my head with a smirk. Jeez, Nacho will not miss that. However, other attributes of Gabby makes Pep prefer him. As long as Pep is true to himself, I respect that. In the case of Owubokiri, Siasia and co. might have other qualities that the coaching crew preferred. Just pointing out you should not write him off as lesser quality. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
oga feel free to say what you have to say.. I don't have anything to argue.. just come clear lol Mickael2: 1 Like |
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