junnyjake:


I think Martins is matured and won't succumb to that degrading level. If he makes the team, I believe he'd get the respect he deserves, not demanding for it through ingenuine practices.


I've never heard any news about misbehaviors from him.


I don't want him in the team and I believe Rorh shares that sentiment too.

how is Martins better than kayode, nacho and ighalo....
can't you guys get it...
he is no way better than those we already have....

Mujtahida:

Don't you guys get it? Are these young guys a flop? Between your Kayode and Martins who would you rather - as things stand now- should go to the World Cup?

Oh boy na Kayode sure past

Icon79:
Actually, I can give you 10 names. Please don't tell me that you'll rate Harry Kane above the likes of Sergio Aguero, Griezeman, Lewandowski, Gabriel Jesus, Edison Cavani, Diego Costa, Kylian Mbappe, etc.

Note, I specifically left out Messi, Cristiano, Neymar etc.

Listen, I give Mauricio Pochettinno a great deal of credit because the fact is: Harry Kane is playing way above his potential. Kane would be a failure if he leaves Spurs or if Poch leaves. Mark my word!


O pari

BookMarked

I think Rohr should find a way to play Nacho as a SS against Argentina.

My line-up against Algeria would be


Ezenwa

Shehu(Ebuehi @ 70 mins)....Awaziem...Balogun...Echiejile (Aina @ 80 mins)

Ndidi...Mikel (Iwobi @ 60 mins)....Onazi

S. Moses....Ighalo.... Kayode (if invited)



Against Argentina

Ezenwa (Uzoho @ 70 mins if invited)

Shehu....Ekong...Balogun.... Aina

Ndidi(Agu @ 75 mins)...Mikel(Iwobi @ 65mins)....Onazi (Ogu @ 80 mins)....V. Moses

Ighalo(Kayode @ 60 mins)...Kelechi


Thoughts?

Joebie:
African oppositions offer something different. Else, we can just sit back now and say we are good to go. I don't think Rohr thinks so.

Are you saying after the series of qualifiers thus far you can't tell the strength or weakness of the team?

Now, don't get me wrong I am not saying the Grade A friendlies are not necessary. Yes they are going to test the team in the different departments.

Rohr knows the strengths and weaknesses of the team and has been working on them all through the qualifiers. But saying we should wait to play Argentina before we know the strength and weakness is not the case. What if we lose 4-0 are we going to disband the whole team and begin afresh?

Besides after this window the next one is in March and we have to play AFCON qualifiers against Seychelles and we may just manage to squeeze in another friendly. And then the next window is for WC preparations/camping. So if you bank only on grade A friendlies , there is no much space for those.

Seychelles is not a grade A opposition but it can also be used for build up for the WC. All games are important, not only the grade A friendlies. That is my point.

safarigirl:
I think Rohr should find a way to play Nacho as a SS against Argentina.

My line-up against Algeria would be


Ezenwa

Shehu(Ebuehi @ 70 mins)....Awaziem...Balogun...Echiejile (Aina @ 80 mins)

Ndidi...Mikel (Iwobi @ 60 mins)....Onazi

S. Moses....Ighalo.... Kayode (if invited)



Against Argentina

Ezenwa (Uzoho @ 70 mins if invited)

Shehu....Ekong...Balogun.... Aina

Ndidi(Agu @ 75 mins)...Mikel(Iwobi @ 65mins)....Onazi (Ogu @ 80 mins)....V. Moses

Ighalo(Kayode @ 60 mins)...Kelechi


Thoughts?

Fact that you want to see like for likes changes in the game and assess them is cool.
But substitutions are done according to balance of play, how the game is progressing and what results you want to achieve.

What if we are chasing the game are we going to be making those defensive, goal keepers and like for like substitutions you have proposed?

The major aim of friendlies is not just to test all like for like players. Testing your tactics is very important, also your players mental strength, how easily you can switch formations to get results, your ability to cope with pressure and ceaseless attacks(which is expected in that Argentina game). We may also test attacking combinations. But all still depends on the balance of play and the mode of progression of the game.
For Eg we may need to pull out a midfielder for an extra attacker if we need to add more bite in attack. Or we pull out an attacker and introduce a midfielder to seal off the game. We may also resort to 3 CBs to seal off the game too. And we may also make like for like changes where and when necessary. All cannot be like for like changes.
And also the game itself will determine what time you may want to make changes, you cannot predetermine time of substitutions.


Best we can propose is starting 11 and substitutes list. Note also that the coach may chose not to make all the 6 substitute changes also depending on the way the game is progressing.

komekn:


Yes as a matter of fact.

Obagoal started killing it in the Italian league in a top team Inter- Milan first. And on to the top leagues if the world. Before he decided to chase the €€€$$$£££ from MLS to China.

Some of the talent that is being compared to him have not even reached the half of the heights he has reached.

Ighalo may be better but to compare him to Dessers is almost insulting. A player playing in the lowly Belgium league for Utrecht.

The question is can Obagoal still do it

Thanks bro. You nailed and killed it.

Mujtahida:

Your first line is in the past tense. I didn't compare Ighalo with Dessers. You guys love stats. I only wanted you to check out Dessers stats. It's not a question of whether he can still do it. He has done his bit. Let him rest. Club football often predates and outlives national team football. His season has come and gone. I hope you know that Jay Jay can still play football very well.

How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

daveP:
you didnt need bring that up. its not a morality/personal life issue na. ororo&tubaba dey o. Note that im not strongly advocating his inclusion. We dont know what he can offer. All these players you mentioned cant do it. They've not attained that status.

No mind them. People go just they blab sentiments they go. Like I said workd cup is almost here. How technically astute Gernot Rohr is will be seen soon.

forgiveness:


Are you serious about that?

Romario better than Ronaldo!?

Oga, Ronaldo was the best player in the world twice before the world cup.

Do you really know why Romario was dropped?

He was omitted due to indiscipline and not because of old age or lack of performance.

Martins case is very different.

Ighalo statistics is 26 matches, 15 goals and 6 assists while Martins is 13 matches, 7 goals and 4 assists.

Statistically speaking who is doing well?

GBAM !!! True word

There are many of the so called current future potentials that cannot achieve those stats. Indeed this could be peak of thier careers. Do people think if KC was to go to Chinese league that he would be the numero 1, I don't think so.

In my opinion the Chinese league is longer a moi moi league you have some if the best players in the world there.

You cannot say you have many if any top World class players in the Turkish, Belgium and Dutch leagues if the truth must be told.

Joebie:
Just because somebody call for Martins, no mean say they believe in old legs. enough of the tagging. Forgiveness for example have always clamored for young players.. so just because he call martins that means say he is in #TeamOldLegs. Me i'm in #TeamPerformance oh.

so much talk about building for the future. The inclusion of Martins can never derail that. I'm not clamoring for Martins but why are we crying as if should Martins manage to make it to the mundial the career of the plethora of 21 year olds we have will end. In fact i'm impressed with the pool of players we have in that 18-22 age range oh.. And I must say so much can happen before Qatar 2022. Team building is a continuous process with a mix of young and old (that are relevant). And it should always be so. Show me 3 solid CFs today that are proven in SE shirt, then I will say forget Martins. But let's truth be told, even at his age many of these young kids can't match his recent stats. Well, but I will be fair, let them battle it in camp. Rohr will not accept bribes.

You see now that you just spoke my mind exactly. Not like we are clamouring for Martins. To outrightly not consider him for invitation to camp on the basis of age is the travesty here. He is not my family member neither am I his agent. What brought about this argument is outright disregard for his invitation. Like the ones we have are super better. I was talkin from the point or angle of what else the guy has in his arsenal. Alas! I got fed to the wolves

Joebie:
ehen make she try the dangerous dances na.. make she split.. e get where Okocha go dance reach.

I remember watching James Brown at the age of 70 dancing and disgracing teenagers.

How old was Taribo West playing right back for Inter without literally missing a game for two seasons.

junnyjake:



I don't see anyone who's richer than him in the present crop of players we have. That dude is unarguably the most travelled SE star. From Italy, England, Russia, Germany, Spain, America and now China.



Mikel might be the most powerful reason being that Martins has been out of the Set-Up for a while. But I'm sure he's more popular to those at the glass house.

My man travelling all around d globe doesn't make player richer.

We don't need to argue this coz their contract and endorsement are there for us to see,so need of trying to hype any player.

Pls tell me what make Martins richer than Mikel?

junnyjake:
Here's what I'd say about this trending topic on Martins.


I believe in tactics and systems. If Rorh is considering some tactics for the WC and he thinks Martins out of the others would fit into his style perfectly he'd invite him and there's nothing y'all can do about it.

I doubt, this would ever be the case because if it was he'd have at least been considered even if it was to make the standby list.

So, I think this transcends Present form, Past glory, Quality of league and stats.

Exactly my point!

Icon4s:


Fact that you want to see like for likes changes in the game and assess them is cool.
But substitutions are done according to balance of play, how the game is progressing and what results you want to achieve.

What if we are chasing the game are we going to be making those defensive, goal keepers and like for like substitutions you have proposed?

The major aim of friendlies is not just to test all like for like players. Testing your tactics is very important, also your players mental strength, how easily you can switch formations to get results, your ability to cope with pressure and ceaseless attacks(which is expected in that Argentina game). We may also test attacking combinations. But all still depends on the balance of play and the mode of progression of the game.
For Eg we may need to pull out a midfielder for an extra attacker if we need to add more bite in attack. Or we pull out an attacker and introduce a midfielder to seal off the game. We may also resort to 3 CBs to seal off the game too. And we may also make like for like changes where and when necessary. All cannot be like for like changes.
And also the game itself will determine what time you may want to make changes, you cannot predetermine time of substitutions.


Best we can propose is starting 11 and substitutes list. Note also that the coach may chose not to make all the 6 substitute changes also depending on the way the game is progressing.

I always do a substitution list, how the game is going would require too many equations I prefer to not concern myself with until the match is being played. Rohr also seems to enjoy the like for like sub method.

My subs are just five. Some of those players I put like for like, is to gauge how they would fit in with a different partner

Eg....the Ighalo-Nacho combo should be switched so we see how Kayode and Nacho go

Joebie:
IS FRANCIS UZOHO THE FUTURE OF NIGERIA'S GOALKEEPING?
Kunle Fayiga
26/10/2017

With the 18-year old impressing for Deportivo, would he already be a good choice for the Super Eagles?

When 18-year-old Francis Uzoho made his debut for Deportivo La Coruna against Eibar earlier this month, he became the youngest foreign goalkeeper in the Spanish First Division. He is also the second youngest player to make his bow in the top flight this term, behind Real Madrid’s Moroccan wonderkid Achraf Hakimi.

It was a memorable occasion for Uzoho, as he was able to keep a clean sheet at the first time of asking, making a number of brilliant saves as Depor took a point.

He made his second consecutive appearance against Olarenwaju Kayode’s Girona on Monday at the Riazor, and while his side lost 2-1, he still put in another good performance.

Could already Uzoho be considered for the Nigeria national team despite his age?
With regular number one Carl Ikeme out with acute Leukaemia, Super Eagles coach Gernot Rohr is left with Ikechukwu Ezenwa, Daniel Akpeyi,

Dele Ajiboye and Dele Alampasu as his current options for the World Cup in Russia. Carl Ikeme
Although Ezenwa kept goal in the double header against Cameroon and against Zambia, it remains to be seen whether he will be between the sticks at the Mundial. Akpeyi's chances of starting appear to be slim following his underwhelming showing in the recent Nations Cup qualifying defeat by South Africa.

Reports of Vincent Enyeama coming out of retirement keeps surfacing but at the time of writing, there’s no concrete sign he’s willing to add to his record 101 international caps.

This is where Uzoho could be presented the opportunity to make his senior bow.
The 18-year old joined Deportivo from Aspire Football Academy in Qatar and was part of the triumphant Nigeria squad at the 2013 U-17 World Cup in the United Arab Emirates. Ultimately, he didn’t get to taste any action as he was behind Alampasu and Abdulazeez Abubakar in the pecking order.Pepe Mel
He made four apperances for Deportivo B team, keeping three sheets and was drafted in the senior side when regular goalie Ruben Martinez injured his finger. The experienced Costel Pantilimon was available to take over, but recently sacked Depor coach Pepe Mel decided to stick with the young Uzoho.

“A coach has to act according to the things he sees in training," Mel said after Uzoho's debut. "He is only 18 and he can barely speak Spanish but I know what he can offer this club.”

The teenager could follow in the footsteps of the legendary Peter Rufai, who played for the Deportivo between 1997 and 1999 and had an illustrious career with the Super Eagles where he won the 1994 Afcon and reached the last 16 of the 1994 and 1998 World Cups.
Peter Rufai, Augustine Eguavoen and Stephen Keshi
The final World Cup qualifier away to Algeria presents a good opportunity to test Francis as, with Nigeria having already qualified, there's nothing at stake for the Super Eagles.

Some might say it’s still too early to involve him because of his age, but Kelechi Iheanacho made his senior bow at the age of 19 and has become a key player today.

This is the era where youngsters are making their mark way before their peak and goalkeepers aren’t excluded.
David De Gea made headlines at 19 when he made his bow for Atletico Madrid in 2009. Today he is the undisputed number one for Manchester United and Spain.

Gianluigi Donnarumma is another goalie who, at just 18, is the next big thing in the Italian Serie A, having made his debut with AC Milan in 2015 aged 16, an Italian top flight record for goalkeeper.

The wonderkid has become a regular for the Rossoneri and looks set to take the national tem mantle from Gianluigi Buffon once the veteran decides to finally call it a day. Donnarumma is proof that when you're good enough, you're old enough.

In an African context, it's worth noting that Fabrice Ondoa was just 21 when he excelled during Cameroon's run to the Nations Cup title earlier this year, having also been the Indomitable Lions' starting stopper at the continental showpiece in Equatorial Guinea two years ago.

Francis has the quality to write the same kind of story as these aforementioned keepers, and if he continues in his current vein for Depor, then Rohr may have a big decision to make imminently.

--Goal.com
http://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/is-francis-uzoho-the-future-of-nigerias-goalkeeping/k999pyud0oyz1ubanm8at51qc

This is what I like prove your pedigree and quality in your club. Argument no deh, QUALITY IS QUALITY even if you are blind and you can't see it you should smell it.

I'm tired of all these youth players who have done nothing in thier leagues and or in thier clubs of which the league and club quality is questionable and suspect. Being pushed as SE material. Senior football is not youth football first provide evidence by playing and claiming position in your club. No excuse

komekn:


How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

If Rohr believe Martins can do it,no issue,everything stop on Rohr table,it is left for him to decide, so i don't see why we keep on argue to d extent we are bringing richest,connection, powerful to d table coz we want Martins in d team.

If Rohr can invite Aaron Samuel meaning he can invite Martins and nothing we are going to do about it.

But d question is this can Martins replicate his old form in Eagles, forget all these stats.If he can prove himself better than Ighalo,Iheanacho,no wahala.

soetanoreoluwa:


Good.. For now we don't have access to Tammy...
You are right that's the best we have for now...

Then do we have solid ones?

Onuachu and dessers need to be tested before conclusion...

If that's what we can offer tomorrow that world cup is starting my brother we re good to go...

Are they better than Obagoal

My view is invite them to camp play a friendly let the best man come in, NO SHAKIN

soetanoreoluwa:


Good.. For now we don't have access to Tammy...
You are right that's the best we have for now...

Then do we have solid ones?

Onuachu and dessers need to be tested before conclusion...

If that's what we can offer tomorrow that world cup is starting my brother we re good to go...

Are they better than Obagoal

My view is invite them to camp train play some friendlies, let the best man come in, NO SHAKIN

I notice that nobody not one person is questioning the pedigree and Quality of Tega or talking about him coming to prove himself.

Why He has done it for all to see in a too league and very competitive and demanding situation.

Mickael2:



Since you do not want to answer let me go ahead.

Dele Alli is not a creative player in the sense that he almost never sprays a defence splitting pass. He isn't creative, his strong points are his quick passes, quick movements and ofcourse his eye for goal.


Yes I am placing Etebo and Alli on the same scale, no because they have the same quality but because they have thesame strengths. Etebo just like Dele is the kind of guy who is always the 'late comer to the party in the 18', he arrives late into the box or does his own thing when the other defenders think that there is nobody else to mark. HARDLY do you ever se Dele Alli joining the build-up, he moves in almost a straight line with Kane ready to pounce. I mean this is what Etebo does well, during the qualifiers for the Olympic he did it well, during the matches at the Olympics he did it well and scored. You do not need to be Messi to play like Messi, there is no comparison between Alli and Etebo but Etebo plays just the way Alli does and he can be effective if we play to his strength. This is one of the reasons why I hail Sia1, he realised this during the Olympics and used a target man who Etebo could easily move in line with and it worked did it not? Now when I say Rohr isn't the most tactical mind, you can see he wanted to adopt the same strategy in the match against SA but he used Iheanacho as the point man which failed. You can see the only time Rohr's plan worked, we had a shot which could have been a goal from? You guessed it, Etebo.


The problem is that you played football in the 80's when Maradona was the 10 and everyone wanted to be like him. Now the definition of a '10' has changed. I personally believe that your '10' is the midfield player charged with creativity. Mahrez is a winger but I'd grade him as Leicester's 10 still, Eriksen is who I would grade as Tottenham's 10 but he is not the AMF, the CMF. The definition of a 10 depends on the tactics, I can play Etebo as a '10'(your own style of '10') but he wouldn't be the actual '10'(that is my own definition). Etebo is the kind of guy who just strolls around, forget that he even exists, just let the ball rebound off him back to a player in the green jersey, he is not the kind of AMF that will be the focal point, no he is the kind of AMF that picks up the pieces just like Dele Alli and scores tons of goals, just look out for his late runs and we have goals. I am not generating these style of play from my head, this is what worked for Sia1 and it is what works for Poch at Tottenham too.


Etebo can play the '10' role perfectly, change Iheanacho with Ighalo in that game against SA and Etebo would have scored. Iheanacho was not dragging defenders out, he was dragging defenders in which is contrary to what a CF playing with Etebo should be doing. So can Etebo/Ndidi/Onazi work? Yes with a point man it can work wonders. Well I would suggest you replace Onazi with Ndidi as the DMF and put Mikel as the 'Eriksen' of the team sha

Firstly, yes I played football in the generation when a number 10 meant Central Midfield position but I also know the number 10 position has undergone a transformation to mean playing behind a striker in a 4-5-1, or 4-2-3-1 or any other variant of 4-5-1. Football is dynamic, we recognise that and we have moved with it.

You don't need to be a great dribbler to play a modern number 10. Now, what is very important here is the system the team plays. For a team like Arsenal, Man city or Nigeria that thrive on possession football it is very important for a number 10 to be a very good ball passer and a creative player. His linkup play must be top notch. Dele Alli kind of number 10 fits into the way spurs plays. He will not thrive as a number 10 in a team like Arsenal, Wenger will play him as wings forward instead. Look at Ozil and Iwobi they are great ball passers.

Most national teams play possession football so most number 10 of national teams must be good passers and distributors

Once again you cannot compare the abilities of Dele with those of Etebo.

Etebo has only performed well as an AM at U23 level.
His best performances for the Super Eagles have been in the CM position.

That is why I earlier stated that at this level(I mean senior level) for the Super Eagles and the way Nigeria plays Etebo cannot be our number 10 where great ball passers like Mikel and Iwobi are in the team.

Even look at Etebo's performance against SA. The midfield was cut off completely from the attack due to Etebo's lack of creativity.

kennysville:


No mind them. People go just they blab sentiments they go. Like I said workd cup is almost here. How technically astute Gernot Rohr is will be seen soon.

once again, this has nothing to do with sentiments so you should remain from blabbing rubbish.

DaveP mentioned off pitch behaviour and then he says keep his personal life out of it. Is his personal life not part of his off pitch behaviour?

If you think a player's personal life does not contribute to his play on the football field, then explain why Iwobi was losing steam last year?

Or maybe Balotelli's personal life had nothing to do with his on-pitch antics? Let's not even go far, what is happening to Isaac Success' career when he's not paying London ashawos?

How can you say we should leave person life out of a player's off-pitch behaviour? It counts, as much as you all would rather not hear it because it doesn't make your own SENTIMENTAL argument look good

I didn't reply daveP because I wanted the matter to die off, but since you cannot refrain from dragging it, no problem.

Mikel is all the role model those boys will need. If he is not enough, they can look to 29-year old Leon, I don't know which status Martins has reached that he should be anybody's role model

komekn:


This is what I like prove your pedigree and quality in your club. Argument no deh, QUALITY IS QUALITY even if you are blind and you can't see it you should smell it.

I'm tired of all these youth players who have done nothing in thier leagues and or in thier clubs of which the league and club quality is questionable and suspect. Being pushed as SE material. Senior football is not youth football first provide evidence by playing and claiming position in your club. No excuse

name names so that we will know who and who you are talking about that have not done anything

Icon4s:


Fact that you want to see like for likes changes in the game and assess them is cool.
But substitutions are done according to balance of play, how the game is progressing and what results you want to achieve.

What if we are chasing the game are we going to be making those defensive, goal keepers and like for like substitutions you have proposed?

The major aim of friendlies is not just to test all like for like players. Testing your tactics is very important, also your players mental strength, how easily you can switch formations to get results, your ability to cope with pressure and ceaseless attacks(which is expected in that Argentina game). We may also test attacking combinations. But all still depends on the balance of play and the mode of progression of the game.
For Eg we may need to pull out a midfielder for an extra attacker if we need to add more bite in attack. Or we pull out an attacker and introduce a midfielder to seal off the game. We may also resort to 3 CBs to seal off the game too. And we may also make like for like changes where and when necessary. All cannot be like for like changes.
And also the game itself will determine what time you may want to make changes, you cannot predetermine time of substitutions.


Best we can propose is starting 11 and substitutes list. Note also that the coach may chose not to make all the 6 substitute changes also depending on the way the game is progressing.

Thats the right way to reason my bro. Not this like for like.

forgiveness:


Why won't I see Someone who has played in the Portuguese league, La Liga, ligue 1 and Championship?

How many of those players have played in all these leagues mentioned?

I don't rate Agbo as a defender and I was not impressed with Omeruo after I watched his game some days ago.

Now, Awazeim could be the only one contending if he continues to play regularly this season

Besides, nobody is saying give Martins shirt. We are saying give him the chance to prove the doubting Thomas like you wrong.

Agreed strongly

komekn:


How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

Finally! A solomon come to judgement.... thank you sir!

daveP:
our average age would still be <24 and not 29 by God's Grace.

Age is not a decider of outstanding quality.

safarigirl:
I always do a substitution list, how the game is going would require too many equations I prefer to not concern myself with until the match is being played. Rohr also seems to enjoy the like for like sub method.

My subs are just five. Some of those players I put like for like, is to gauge how they would fit in with a different partner

Eg....the Ighalo-Nacho combo should be switched so we see how Kayode and Nacho go

I understand you perfectly.

Testing attacking combo is fine but those defensive changes may not be necessary except if there are injury cases.

If you want to see Ebuehi in action then you should start him cos the dynamics of the game may not allow for like for like defensive changes

Yes Rohr makes like for like but he also makes tactical changes. Making like for like changes is no crime but all your changes cannot be like for like.

Also a coach can make a like for like switch but may assign the newly introduced player another role. That is how dynamic tactics are.

komekn:


How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

Martins football age 34-35years....real age. 42-43years old, dis guys u re comparing martins re using real age not a falsified one

Icon4s:


I understand you perfectly.

Testing attacking combo is fine but those defensive changes may not be necessary except if there are injury cases.

If you want to see Ebuehi in action then you should start him cos the dynamics of the game may not allow for like for like defensive changes

Yes Rohr makes like for like but he also makes tactical changes. Making like for like changes is no crime but all your changes cannot be like for like.

Also a coach can make a like for like switch but may assign the newly introduced player another role. That is how dynamic tactics are.

okay

kennysville:


Thats the right way to reason my bro. Not this like for like.

Substitutions are not made for making sakes. They are mostly for tactical reasons.

safarigirl:
okay

Thanks for understanding.

kennysville:


Thats the right way to reason my bro. Not this like for like.

do your own list and leave someone else's.....