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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:47pm On Oct 31, 2017
forgiveness:


No quote no fadin. The door is still open wide.
you go help us convince him...as far as i am concerned...he should stick to 3 lions...
we don't need him anymore.

anyone willing to play for the super eagles should approach rohr...
hopefully their chance will come sooner than expected
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:51pm On Oct 31, 2017
forgiveness:


We must voice out against injustice and illegally else this country becomes a banana Island.

Why invite him if don't want him to play?
Well let them play him and we will see for ourselves what he has to offer
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Magink: 5:53pm On Oct 31, 2017
Humility017:

you go help us convince him...as far as i am concerned...he should stick to 3 lions...
we don't need him anymore.

anyone willing to play for the super eagles should approach rohr...
hopefully their chance will come sooner than expected
Oga humility you don vex? Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:58pm On Oct 31, 2017
Magink:

Oga humility you don vex? Lol
this English born players are so double minded....they can't make up their mind and stick to it....unlike the German groomed.

their preferred choice is England...the super eagles is just an option....and moreover only few very few are good enough in the eyes of the English FA to play for the over hyped 3 lions....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:59pm On Oct 31, 2017
Dis Tammy issue shld rest abeg


We re d one helping him,not d oda way round as its been preached by some members here

If he wants to play for us,if doesn't no qualms,highest if he joins d 3lions,he would only av a total of 180mins competitive football minutes to his CV,as he would b introduced into d game from d bench most times b4 dey re ousted out of d competition. smiley

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:01pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


THANK YOU, you have touched on area we would rather avoid it's a very smelly can of rotten worms.

Whether Nwakali has a storming game or not is actually immaterial.

A good comparison is the pre- requisite qualifications to study at university. It's possible for someone with a two o/ levels to get in through the back door put his head down and make a first class. However, that's not the issue he circumvented the requirements by hook or crook that's unfair to the thousands who merited that university place before and more justifiably than that person. It's corruption.

If i talk about the bolded and what I know fight go break out. So I remain silent.
Do you know that in law how you obtain your evidence does not matter? Once it passes the twin criteria of relevance and admissibility it would be accepted even if you stole it, bribed to get it or duped someone to get it.

I am not justifying wuru wuru sha but just to let you know that this your university analogy is not universal nor is it apt for this case. Cos I don't think it's wrong for scouts and agents to say 'hey Coach, I got this sweet player, would you mind trying him out?' Even parents with talented kids do that. The issue should not be how you got called because Kog45 has shown that players get called through different means. If you were in a position to influence things today now, you'd make sure Tega, Aluko, Tammy, Onomah are invited and if they cut it fine.

The only problem will be where the player(s) is tested and falls short and yet still continues to feature in the team thereby robbing some other quality player of his opportunity and ultimately the team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:06pm On Oct 31, 2017
Ola Aina highlights for Hull this season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJxi_bmm90

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:07pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


How many Nigerian origin players are doing what you just said name just three in the midfield And I go quite. In a top three league in the World.

Onomah just anchored the midfield for England in the World cup winning U20 team. Is that average in your book.

He has been playing at Tottenham tell me one of the players that's playing in a top league and in a top team and his position, 32 games in that competitive midfield is very difficult.

He's classed as the best young attacking midfielder in the championship.

It took Aina a few weeks to be classed as the best RB in the championship. The same goes for Tega Abrahams a few weeks best striker in the Championship. So how long do you need to prove yourself.

Are you comparing a player who is playing in the backwaters of Europe in a league ranked at 30 and in a team that is third from the bottom facing relegation. On the same level as Onomah please that's bewildering to me from you.
This Tega, Onomah Onyedinma etc you name are they 'Nigerians' Please understand the inverted commas. Question mark of nationality hangs on their head. In fact their profiles shows they are not Nigerian at least for now. Even if we want them today, we cannot invite them. So they are like fine girls dancing on the roof. We might admire them, but they are not ours as far as playing for us is concerned. At least as it stands now.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:11pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


Jack and Rashford play for Arsenal and United and are technically adapt players with Wilshere leaving Drink water to eat dust.

Drink water is a water carrier for me great endeavour no frills 109% commitment but lacks the subtle touch and vision for the international game. But that's my own personal opinion.

Nonetheless, the less Drinkwater had just won the league with Leicester City and EPL club. He didn't just spring up from the Conference North non league. What you have is preference not whole scale deviation from accepted standards.

Hahahaha hahahaha @the bolded. If Drinkwater catch you, you go drink water for River five
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 6:19pm On Oct 31, 2017
Rohr should replace Nwakal so that forgiveness can rest LOL
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:25pm On Oct 31, 2017
tbaba1234:


Onomah played at under 20 world cup, so what?? What is so special about under 20 world cup? It is an age group competition.

Several players who won Nigeria 99 with Spain ended up with lower division clubs and disappeared. Youth football is different from senior level football.

Onomah is not even a sure regular with Aston Villa in the Championship. Has he declared allegiance to Nigeria?

U17 is youth football and progression there on is very unpredictable.

Age group competitions in Nigeria have always been troubled be the issues of real age. As a result progression for players has been problematic as they had mostly peaked and had limited upwards progression if any. What I am saying Nigeria is not a good bench mark for a holistic deduction such as you have made about age grade football.

I will ask you to kindly research the % number of U20 players who play for thier national teams I would ask that you look at all the past world cup finalists and semi finalists.

When you do that you will humbly retract your statement and unfounded proposition.

Football is changing all over the world young teenagers are breaking into first team football left right and center. So age grade is clear indicator of progression and future dominance. The most expensive left back in England is 17 year old, Ryan Ssegnon who plays for Fulham multiple bids from a number of EPL clubs of £30 million were rejected by the club.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:30pm On Oct 31, 2017
Joebie:
my friend with all due respect I have been clamoring for us to make moves for Abroad-bred players.
And you know very well that Pinnick and Rohr have been working on this more than any NFF administration and coach we've ever had in this country.
You know how long it took with Aina. You have read reports of NFF making approach, and also planning on making approach on these lads.
The context remains invitation for Algeria and Argentina. For you to cry foul just because the whole allegiance talk and switch thing don't happen overnight is bewildering. I don't get your point at all. Are you claiming they are not aggressive enough?
hmmm


It's not everything I can say.

I find it disconcerting when I talk to Nigerian origin players and they say to me. Haven't heard nuttin yet.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:31pm On Oct 31, 2017
tbaba1234:
Ola Aina highlights for Hull this season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJxi_bmm90
He has good speed and deft touch. It seems even at that RB he uses his left foot quite often

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:35pm On Oct 31, 2017
Chrismario:



He won u-20 World Cup against Venezuela. The same Venezuela whom their 95% of players are in black water league.

U-20 is youth football and according to you, it shouldn't be taken serious.

You must be a lawyer.

You have with rhetoric evaded the substance of the discourse and avoided the question.

How many Nigerian origin players are playing in the midfield for a top three in the world league and in a top 10 team in the world. of you can give me three I go come Lagos buy you shine shine boy or whatever takes your fancy. No Shakin

By the way I said that U17 should not be taken too seriously not U20.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:37pm On Oct 31, 2017
Organization has always been our problem. By now the NFF should have a team responsible for interfacing with these lads. And this team should be people who understand how thing go in the UK etc. in terms of culture and how to approach engage them.
Take for example Pinnick seem not to be aware that children abroad are pretty independent when making life decisions. In fact if you tell a 19 year old you will get him to do something just because of your relationship with his father, he will want to prove to you that hes can actually make his own decision. I'm sure u know what I mean. So Nigerians will always be Nigerians in the way we operate. But we have noticed an improvement in our efforts towards pushing for a switch, and that's the case i've been making.

komekn:


It's not everything I can say.

I find it disconcerting when I talk to Nigerian origin players and they say to me. Haven't heard nuttin yet.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:37pm On Oct 31, 2017
Joebie:
THE SOURCE OF THE NEW RUMOR

Tammy Abraham to reject Nigeria for England
exclusive
Matt Hughes, Deputy Football Correspondent
October 31 2017, 12:01am,


Abraham has impressed for Swansea
DYLAN MARTINEZ/REUTERS

Tammy Abraham has provided Gareth Southgate with a boost as he continues his preparations for next summer’s World Cup finals by declaring that he wants to play his senior international football for England.

The Chelsea striker, who is enjoying a successful season on loan at Swansea City, is being courted by Nigeria, whom he is eligible to represent through his father, who was born in Warri, and is a childhood friend of the Nigerian Football Federation president, Amaju Pinnick.

Abraham held talks with Pinnick about a potential change of allegiance in September, but is understood to have told senior FA officials in the past few weeks that he remains committed to England.

The 20-year-old has won 13 caps for England Under-21 and is targeting a step up to the senior side rather than pursuing a switch to Nigeria, for whom he will be eligible until he wins a senior England cap.

Southgate watched Abraham play for Swansea last Saturday away to Arsenal, where he created the visitors’ opening goal for Sam Clucas and had a ‘goal’ ruled out for offside, and the manager is considering naming him in his squad to play Germany and Brazil next month.


Since joining Swansea in the summer he has scored four Premier League goals in nine starts, a figure all the more impressive given his loan club have scored only seven goals in total.

Southgate considers Abraham to be a potential World Cup bolter even if he does not make his next squad, which will be announced on Thursday. While Harry Kane and Marcus Rashford are certainties to travel to Russia and Jamie Vardy is likely to make it, one or two striking slots are up for grabs. Daniel Sturridge and Danny Welbeck’s repeated injury problems may count against them, as may Jermain Defoe’s age as he approaches his 36th birthday.

Abraham’s commitment is also a relief for the FA, which, despite the success of the age-group teams, has seen Nigeria pick off former England youth internationals such as Victor Moses, Alex Iwobi, Sone Aluko, Shola Ameobi and Ola Aina in recent years.

Link: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/tammy-abraham-to-reject-nigeria-for-england-lzwk7h5xc
The bolded for those who say age doesn't matter. It does when you have young strapplings who can do the job.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:39pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


U17 is youth football and progression there on is very unpredictable.

Age group competitions in Nigeria have always been troubled be the issues of real age. As a result progression for players has been problematic as they had mostly peaked and had limited upwards progression if any. What I am saying Nigeria is not a good bench mark for a holistic deduction such as you have made about age grade football.

I will ask you to kindly research the % number of U20 players who play for thier national teams I would ask that you look at all the past world cup finalists and semi finalists.

When you do that you will humbly retract your statement and unfounded proposition.

Football is changing all over the world young teenagers are breaking into first team football left right and center. So age grade is clear indicator of progression and future dominance. The most expensive left back in England is 17 year old, Ryan Ssegnon who plays for Fulham multiple bids from a number of EPL clubs of £30 million were rejected by the club.


If 5/6 players make the progression from under 20 to full National team status, it is a success. The vast majority end up in lower leagues and disappear. That is the nature of youth competitions

Spain won Nigeria 99... Only Xavi and Casillas became permanent fixtures of the Spanish team.. Gabri had a few caps... The others disappeared into lower division sides.

Argentina were champions in 2001, We had Saviola, best player but never became the Argentinian future star as predicted. Maxi Rodriguez, Nicolás Burdisso, Fabricio Coloccini... Who else The rest never became permanent fixtures in the National team. They disappeared.

Nigeria 2005 team.. Only Mikel and Taiwo became permanent members of the national team.. The others were off and on...

The list goes on and on... It is not peculiar to Nigeria

It is a youth competition, not everyone will become members of the national team.. a few could maybe have some caps but most of them disappear.

Onomah was an under 20 finalist means nothing in the larger scheme of things.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:43pm On Oct 31, 2017
@bolded, RIGHT

Mujtahida:

Do you know that in law how you obtain your evidence does not matter? Once it passes the twin criteria of relevance and admissibility it would be accepted even if you stole it, bribed to get it or duped someone to get it.

I am not justifying wuru wuru sha but just to let you know that this your university analogy is not apt for this case. Cos I don't think it's wrong for scouts and agents to say 'hey Coach, I got this sweet player, would you mind trying him out?' Even parents with talented kids do that. The issue should not be how you got called because Kog45 has shown that players get called through different means. If you were in a position to influence things today now, you'd make sure Tega, Aluko, Tammy, Onomah are invited and if they cut it fine.

The only problem will be where the player(s) is tested and falls short and yet still continues to feature in the team thereby robbing some other quality player of his opportunity and ultimately the team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:44pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


U17 is youth football and progression there on is very unpredictable.

Age group competitions in Nigeria have always been troubled be the issues of real age. As a result progression for players has been problematic as they had mostly peaked and had limited upwards progression if any. What I am saying Nigeria is not a good bench mark for a holistic deduction such as you have made about age grade football.

I will ask you to kindly research the % number of U20 players who play for thier national teams I would ask that you look at all the past world cup finalists and semi finalists.

When you do that you will humbly retract your statement and unfounded proposition.

Football is changing all over the world young teenagers are breaking into first team football left right and center. So age grade is clear indicator of progression and future dominance. The most expensive left back in England is 17 year old, Ryan Ssegnon who plays for Fulham multiple bids from a number of EPL clubs of £30 million were rejected by the club.

Yet you wanted us to do Martins.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:47pm On Oct 31, 2017
Mujtahida:

This Tega, Onomah Onyedinma etc you name are they 'Nigerians' Please understand the inverted commas. Question mark of nationality hangs on their head. In fact their profiles shows they are not Nigerian at least for now. Even if we want them today, we cannot invite them. So they are like fine girls dancing on the roof. We might admire them, but they are not ours as far as playing for us is concerned. At least as it stands now.

It really depends on how you define being Nigerian

I speak Patwa fluently and people have assumed that I'm Jamaican and or a lost Nigerian. And they will very foolishly be running me down in Yoruba feleh bobo nee egbe ote Jamo nee, Ibo as well as pidgin of which I speak the latter good and excellently respectively.

When I then respond in the language they understand it becomes apologies galore, we know no, sorry oh.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 6:52pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


U17 is youth football and progression there on is very unpredictable.

Age group competitions in Nigeria have always been troubled be the issues of real age. As a result progression for players has been problematic as they had mostly peaked and had limited upwards progression if any. What I am saying Nigeria is not a good bench mark for a holistic deduction such as you have made about age grade football.

I will ask you to kindly research the % number of U20 players who play for thier national teams I would ask that you look at all the past world cup finalists and semi finalists.

When you do that you will humbly retract your statement and unfounded proposition.

Football is changing all over the world young teenagers are breaking into first team football left right and center. So age grade is clear indicator of progression and future dominance. The most expensive left back in England is 17 year old, Ryan Ssegnon who plays for Fulham multiple bids from a number of EPL clubs of £30 million were rejected by the club.

if they're truly good enough as you're hyping them here....let them break into the 3 Lions squad....if they're not good enough for the 3 Lions then they' can't be said to be good enough for the super eagles....
let the 3 Lions start eyeing them first...then we will start considering them...

for all I care they're mainly average players with the opportunity of being British by birth...nothing more...

the wise ones should go contact rohr and let him know their intentions of playin for the SE...I doubt if he will not invite them.


no player will come use the super eagles as an option...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:52pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


It really depends on how you define being Nigerian.



I mean it as it stands regarding playing international football. Here's Tammy's profile on whoscored.com. It reads England. That's what I meant when I say that they are not 'Nigerians'(as it stands today for purposes of international football.)

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:55pm On Oct 31, 2017
What makes the world cup so special. We saw the Egyptian emotional celebrations.

Please watch that of Panama: Please watch to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yifKTgb3lDo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:56pm On Oct 31, 2017
Mujtahida:

The bolded for those who say age doesn't matter. It does when you have young strapplings who can do the job.

It doesn't matter at all. This time last year Defoe was going to be on the plane to Russia but his form has dropped this season that's all.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:59pm On Oct 31, 2017
Humility017:

if they're truly good enough as you're hyping them here....let them break into the 3 Lions squad....if they're not good enough for the 3 Lions then they' can't be said to be good enough for the super eagles....
let the 3 Lions start eyeing them first...then we will start considering them...

for all I care they're mainly average players with the opportunity of being British by birth...nothing more...

the wise ones should go contact rohr and let him know their intentions of playin for the SE...I doubt if he will not invite them.


no player will come use the super eagles as an option...

You are once again prejudiced and have no understanding of the subject matter and or appreciation of it.

Which for me is quite sad really considering all I have said to you to increase your understanding and create some empathy.

That is very disappointing for me and makes me question my informed contribution to the forum. Have they been of any benefit at all if you can still come up with these kind of statements.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 7:01pm On Oct 31, 2017
Joebie:
AGENT SPEAKS

C. Nwakali's Call-Up Well Deserved, Man City Have Plans For Him, Says Agent
Published: October 31, 2017





''Apart from the work permit issue that made him not to play for Girona, he has been playing despite the fact Norwegian League is not as glamorous as other leagues like La Liga and the English Premier League.''



''City are still happy with him and say they have plans for him despite we are facing a little problem with his work permit.

''With his inclusion in the Super Eagles team, it will be easier for him to get the work permit. As soon as he gets his work permit he'll go back to England and will do better in the Premier League.

''He is very young and full of energy. It is a well deserved one and I thank the coaching crew, the NFF and people that remember Chidiebere is still in existence.

'' They told me when his time come they will invite him and they fulfilled their promise. I hold them in high esteem,'' added Allwell Nwakali.

This season, Nwakali has played 26 games for Sogndal in all competitions, scoring four goals, and captained the team in the Norwegian Premier League match against Lillestrom on October 15.

Ifeanyi Emmanuel

--ANS


To forgiveness, not being able to obtain work permit to play = failure.

Na wa.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:01pm On Oct 31, 2017
BascoVanVeli:


It doesn't matter at all. This time last year Defoe was going to be on the plane to Russia but his form has dropped this season that's all.

Well that's why you need a big squad injuries and dip of form, etc will require changes.

I suspect that he is not fitting into Eddie the managers plans. Why is beyond me.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 7:02pm On Oct 31, 2017
komekn:


You are once again prejudiced and have no understanding of the subject matter and or appreciation of it.

Which for me is quite sad really considering all I have said to you to increase your understanding and create some empathy.

That is very disappointing for me and makes me question my informed contribution to the forum. Have they been of any benefit at all if you can still come up with these kind of statements.
Big bro...you make me laugh...
could you please sir...let this onomah and co matter to rest for a while and let's talk on the invited players...formations and team strategies...

you see Tammy Abraham news really pissed me off today....such an embarrassment

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:04pm On Oct 31, 2017
A team should be a mix of youth and experience.

Nigeria appears to have much more youth than experience. We struggle when Mikel is missing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 7:05pm On Oct 31, 2017
Icon4s:
What makes the world cup so special. We saw the Egyptian emotional celebrations.

Please watch that of Panama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yifKTgb3lDo
and naughty Tammy Abraham just threw away that opportunity....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 7:20pm On Oct 31, 2017
Mujtahida:

He has good speed and deft touch. It seems even at that RB he uses his left foot often
I noticed that too

There was an assist he gave with his left foot too from the right wings

And he isn't afraid to take on players too

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:21pm On Oct 31, 2017
grin

junnyjake:



To forgiveness, not being able to obtain work permit to play = failure.

Na wa.

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