Emmanystone:

How did your consciousness come about, pls. Stop the childishness. You creating impression in those who read you.

I don't know. Nobody has been able to fully show or demonstrate where consciousness came from.

Emmanystone:

You are being more childish than ever.


Can you go back a little and try answering some of the questions i asked?

Stop strawmanning pls.

How did consciousness get into you?

Answerthe simple question. When and where did God tell you the things you are telling me about him?

jimmyjenseng:


Sorry if you don't understand the part you marked bolded. Just so we both are cleared: the belief there means religious faith. Now you must understand that knowledge is acquired through experience and belief, or faith as it were, comes with no proof or empirical evidence. I know 2+2 = 4 because it can be proven. Or do you tell a child 2+2 = 4 and when asked how you arrived at the answer you say faith?

Here's another example: the sun exists. I know this because I experience it. More so, there's enough evidence to back my claim of the existence of the sun. I can't tell someone, "hey just believe (in the intransitive form) that the sun exists." It makes no sense right?

Back to the god case. If god exists, we will experience it and through this experience, I'll have knowledge of it. Faith won't be required to know this. I hope you're cleared.

The question is not how it is acquired, the question is what it is. Knowledge has been defined as a “Justified True Belief“ since Plato's time and only relevantly recently has this definition been challenged due to The Gettier Problem. Even so, "belief" is still regarded as a necessary condition for knowledge, without it you cannot say you have knowledge.

You contrasting propositional knowledge with blind faith or belief. However you seem to be implying that if one has knowledge one doesn’t require belief, which seems impossible since how can you know something to the case if you don't believed it is the case.

dalaman:


Answerthe simple question. When and where did God tell you the things you are telling me about him?

You know i can answer you, but not after you answer the numerous ones i had asked. Go back and answer them then we will stand a better chance to answer this one.

dalaman:


I don't know. Nobody has been able to fully show or demonstrate where consciousness came from.

And yet you are here haggling me for believing God who said Man is made in his likeness which is consciousness?

If you call God a liar, then you must tell me where it came from.

Emmanystone:

And yet you are here haggling me for believing God who said Man is made in his likeness which is consciousness?

If you call God a liar, then you must tell me where it came from.

When and where did God tell you personally that man is made in his likeness? Did you see his likeness to confirm that man is made in his likeness?

dalaman:


When and where did God tell you personally that man is made in his likeness? Did you see his likeness to confirm that man is made in his likeness?

The Bible told me so and YHWH proved it when he took up flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.

He looked exactly like me, acted like me and had consciousness, like me.

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. He ran or you didn't have one rebutal to present? You must have copied that OP somewhere but never knew you'd meet someone who'll deflate you.

Here you are claiming you silenced every Christian. Wait!!! Were you a Muslim? Cos this is the fovorite line.

KingEbuka is still here, but you avoid him and respond to your fellow atheists.

Pls answer me, How did Conciousness got into you and why hasn't scientists been able to impute it into robots and make them act independently?

How I got consciousness into me? I don't know.
Why has scientists not been to impute into robots? I don't know.

What's the correlation between ISOC and god?

Emmanystone:

That is all scientists do, 'Figure things out'. How did the things they are trying to figure out came to be is what we the creationists are after.

A scientist figured out what causes an egg to float inside water, you get fascinated by that, but forget what caused the egg to be and what caused water to be.

Wow. These people. You even went to a point of posting a scientist saying 'They will need God to be the creator of what they have not been able to unravel, but when the understand it, they'd discard God.
Only thing is, they only figure out how it works not who or what brought about it.

exactly, god of the gaps

Emmanystone:

But, God said he did it, but, you, the scientist said it's a lie, so tell me how it came to be.

he said "he did it" is a claim NOT a proof

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. He ran or you didn't have one rebutal to present? You must have copied that OP somewhere but never knew you'd meet someone who'll deflate you.

Why smear your idiocy on a public forum as this? Huhn?!! Who told you I copied the OP somewhere! Just because you're unintelligent enough to construct a post doesn't mean you should project your ordeal on other. Go find a new hobby bub.

Here you are claiming you silenced every Christian. Wait!!! Were you a Muslim? Cos this is the fovorite line.

Where in the post is Christian categorically mentioned? Read to comprehend before attacking! below is the clause which begins the sentence in the OP.

I've argued with many a theist on God's existence...

KingEbuka is still here, but you avoid him and respond to your fellow atheists.

Do you even know what avoidance is? if yes then you should know who avoided who.

Pls answer me, How did Conciousness got into you and why hasn't scientists been able to impute it into robots and make them act independently?

I've answered this. Do indulge me just as I have done.

jimmyjenseng:


Why smear your idiocy on a public forum as this? Huhn?!! Who told you I copied the OP somewhere! Just because you're unintelligent enough to construct a post doesn't mean you should project your ordeal on other. Go find a new hobby bub.



Where in the post is Christian categorically mentioned? Read to comprehend before attacking! below is the clause which begins the sentence in the OP.




Do you even know what avoidance is? if yes then you should know who avoided who.



I've answered this. Do indulge me just as I have done.

I guess he's just ignoring you because you are match for him.

hopefulLandlord:


he said "he did it" is a claim NOT a proof

And, if you say He didn't then present proof he didn't, then present proof who did.

hopefulLandlord:


exactly, god of the gaps

Lol. When you have nothing to say, you grab at 'God of the gaps'

jimmyjenseng:


How I got consciousness into me? I don't know.
Why has scientists not been to impute into robots? I don't know.

What's the correlation between ISOC and god?

You don't know but you confidently come out yelling at theists who knows.
What is ISOC? That abbreviation can mean a lot of diff. things.

Emmanystone:

Lol. When you have nothing to say, you grab at 'God of the gaps'

Nope, its you that can't see how fallacious your post is

here's how it went

Emmany: Why haven't man been able to create consciousness and put it in a robot?

Hope: This is god of the gaps, you're saying the fact that we haven't been able to figure out something or done yet is proof god exists

your next post then proves it beyond doubt

Emmany: A scientist figured out what causes an egg to float inside water, you get fascinated by that, but forget what caused the egg to be and what caused water to be.

the above post is a classic god of the gaps and its sad you can't see it

Emmanystone:

And, if you say He didn't then present proof he didn't, then present proof who did.

that's not how onus probandi works, the claimant is to prove NOT the person challenging the claim

let's use an example

this is how onus probandi goes

Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy

Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence

Emmany: I stationed myself at the top of x hotel and took out my M40 and aimed it at Kennedy's head in the motorcade; the wind was moving ym/s from east to west so I adjusted my aim to compensate, Kennedy was also a moving target which made the shot really hard, my first shot hit him in the chest and I quickly made another to his head which was the fatal shot




here's how you think onus probandi works

Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy

Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence

Emmany: Present proof I didn't



which sounds more reasonable?

hopefulLandlord:


Nope, its you that can't see how fallacious your post is

here's how it went

Emmany: Why haven't man been able to create consciousness and put it in a robot?

Hope: This is god of the gaps, you're saying the fact that we haven't been able to figure out something or done yet is proof god exists

your next post then proves it beyond doubt

Emmany: A scientist figured out what causes an egg to float inside water, you get fascinated by that, but forget what caused the egg to be and what caused water to be.

the above post is a classic god of the gaps and its sad you can't see it

Hope, i didn't speculate about Consciousness being a part of God in Man. God said he put it there. Our Consciousness makes us rational beings, and God is a rational being too.

If i speculated as you made it seem, then it'll be God of the gaps, but YHWH Himself affirms it.

Jesus walked with earth with rational consciousnesses, why i will doubt what He says?
You for one, do not know how it cane about and wants me to not know with you.

I don't know, and i know because i have seen it happen exactly as the Book says, which is more rational and sensible?


Let's take How we got here for instance.

Emmany: How do we got here?

Hope: I don't know, but does not mean God created me.

Emmany: But i know (Convinced) God created me.

Hope: Proof it.

Emmany: God said, He began by Creating every animal fully mature for procreation and fixed in them the
necessary sex organs to enable them procreate and commanded them to go ahead and have offspring just like them.

And, afterwards we were told that the first man mated with his wife and they had an offspring exactly like them and since then, that has been the mood of men coming into the earth.

No other method has been found.

Hope: I'm not convinced.

Emmany: Well, i'm not out to convince you.

Emmanystone:

Hope, i didn't speculate about Consciousness being a part of God in Man. God said he put it there. Our Consciousness makes us rational beings, and God is a rational being too.

If i speculated as you made it seem, then it'll be God of the gaps, but YHWH Himself affirms it.

Jesus walked with earth with rational consciousnesses, why i will doubt what He says?
You for one, do not know how it cane about and wants me to not know with you.

I don't know, and i know because i have seen it happen exactly as the Book says, which is more rational and sensible?


Let's take How we got here for instance.

Emmany: How do we got here?

Hope: I don't know, but does not mean God created me.

Emmany: But i know (Convinced) God created me.

Hope: Proof it.

Emmany: God said, He began by Creating every animal fully mature for procreation and fixed in them the
necessary sex organs to enable them procreate and commanded them to go ahead and have offspring just like them.

And, afterwards we were told that the first man mated with his wife and they had an offspring exactly like them and since then, that has been the mood of men coming into the earth.

No other method has been found.

Hope: I'm not convinced.

Emmany: Well, i'm not out to convince you.

you're piling claims upon claims upon claims, I hope you know claims aren't proof? otherwise there are myraid of claims about how we got here, each with claims upon claims upon claims with as much proof as yours (zero)?
I could even write down a claim of how we got here too right here right now

hopefulLandlord:


that's not how onus probandi works, the claimant is to prove NOT the person challenging the claim

let's use an example

this is how onus probandi goes

Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy

Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence

Emmany: I stationed myself at the top of x hotel and took out my M40 and aimed it at Kennedy's head in the motorcade; the wind was moving ym/s from east to west so I adjusted my aim to compensate, Kennedy was also a moving target which made the shot really hard, my first shot hit him in the chest and I quickly made another to his head which was the fatal shot




here's how you think onus probandi works

Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy

Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence

Emmany: Present proof I didn't



which sounds more reasonable?

Lolzzzzzzzzzz. I keep telling you that you are clever, but not clever enough.

That analogy you pulled up is not the case here. This your analogy would have passed if i personally claimed to be God, but allas, i'm not.

Just like you the atheists look at the environment (nature, which God said He has put in place to convince us his existence), and say, i can't see God in this, i also look at the same nature and correlating further what my Book says, i'm convinced that YHWH exists.

Now after conviction and the lack of it between the two of us, this discussion ensued. If you are not convinced, present your point while i do same, this is what this is about, not some claims that make it seem like we personally are the ones carrying out any actions.

Emmanystone:

Lolzzzzzzzzzz. I keep telling you that you are clever, but not clever enough.

That analogy you pulled up is not the case here. This your analogy would have passed if i personally claimed to be God, but allas, i'm not.

Just like you the atheists look at the environment (nature, which God said He has put in place to convince us his existence), and say, i can't see God in this, i also look at the same nature and correlating further what my Book says, i'm convinced that YHWH exists.

Now after conviction and the lack of it between the two of us, this discussion ensued. If you are not convinced, present your point while i do same, this is what this is about, not some claims that make it seem like we personally are the ones carrying out any actions.

actually the fact that you're not even god makes it worse for you, you're making this too easy

hopefulLandlord:


you're piling claims upon claims upon claims, I hope you know claims aren't proof? otherwise there are myraid of claims about how we got here, each with claims upon claims upon claims with as much proof as yours (zero)?
I could even write down a claim of how we got here too right here right now

That's what i have asking you to do since.
You can try a counter claim.

I just stated what my book says and following it up From who the book claims to be the first man to me, is consistent, if you find any inconsistencies, then counter-claim.

hopefulLandlord:


actually the fact that you're not even god makes it worse for you, you're making this too easy

That's all you saw?

Bring up the inconsisyencies of my Bibles claims of how we got here.

The funny thing is 5 years ago I was just like Emmanystone. Funny how time and knowledge changes everything.

Emmanystone:

That's all you saw?

Bring up the inconsisyencies of my Bibles claims of how we got here.

let me play this game

there are 2 (Two, yes ii, yes Meji, yes Biu, yes abụọ) totally different creation stories that contradicts right in the first few chapters of your book

hopefulLandlord:

let me play this game

there are 2 (Two, yes ii, yes Meji, yes Biu, yes abụọ) totally different creation stories that contradicts right in the first few chapters of your book

how do you change the link to the website you posted?

hopefulLandlord:

let me play this game

there are 2 (Two, yes ii, yes Meji, yes Biu, yes abụọ) totally different creation stories that contradicts right in the first few chapters of your book

here's how

[url=http://INSERT WEBSITE ADDRESS]INSERT THE TEXT YOU WANT THE POST TO DISPLAY[/url]

let's do one for Google

search anything

hopefulLandlord:


here's how

[url=http://INSERT WEBSITE ADDRESS]INSERT THE TEXT YOU WANT THE POST TO DISPLAY[/url]

let's do one for Google

search anything

I hope I got this right


thank you

Proudgorgeousga:

I hope I got this right


thank you

yup

Emmanystone:
You don't know but you confidently come out yelling at theists who knows. What is ISOC? That abbreviation can mean a lot of diff. things.

It means intentional state of consciousness.

rekinomtla:


The question is not how it is acquired, the question is what it is. Knowledge has been defined as a “Justified True Belief“ since Plato's time and only relevantly recently has this definition been challenged due to The Gettier Problem. Even so, "belief" is still regarded as a necessary condition for knowledge, without it you cannot say you have knowledge.

You contrasting propositional knowledge with blind faith or belief.

This is!

However you seem to be implying that if one has knowledge one doesn’t require belief

What I mean is: faith isn't knowledge.
You're strawmanning me.

which seems impossible since how can you know something to the case if you don't believed it is the case.

Let me ask this: if you believe something to be true and it's true, does it matter if your believe is justified?

dalaman:

Our mental state is evidence for our mental state.

Artificial intelligence is evidence for artificial intelligence and we cannot deduce from the nature of AIs that it was created by a mind
Unearthed pots , plates , spoons , idols in an area by Archaeologists isn't evidence for human settlement in an area but evidence for pots , spoons etc .

This is why atheists are very poor at logic .