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Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 11:28am On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: I don't know. Nobody has been able to fully show or demonstrate where consciousness came from. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 11:29am On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: Answerthe simple question. When and where did God tell you the things you are telling me about him? 1 Like |
Re: Hello Heathens! by rekinomtla(m): 1:43pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
jimmyjenseng: The question is not how it is acquired, the question is what it is. Knowledge has been defined as a “Justified True Belief“ since Plato's time and only relevantly recently has this definition been challenged due to The Gettier Problem. Even so, "belief" is still regarded as a necessary condition for knowledge, without it you cannot say you have knowledge. You contrasting propositional knowledge with blind faith or belief. However you seem to be implying that if one has knowledge one doesn’t require belief, which seems impossible since how can you know something to the case if you don't believed it is the case. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 4:40pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
dalaman:You know i can answer you, but not after you answer the numerous ones i had asked. Go back and answer them then we will stand a better chance to answer this one. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 4:42pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
dalaman:And yet you are here haggling me for believing God who said Man is made in his likeness which is consciousness? If you call God a liar, then you must tell me where it came from. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 5:01pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: When and where did God tell you personally that man is made in his likeness? Did you see his likeness to confirm that man is made in his likeness? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 5:29pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
dalaman:The Bible told me so and YHWH proved it when he took up flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. He looked exactly like me, acted like me and had consciousness, like me. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 6:30pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: How I got consciousness into me? I don't know. Why has scientists not been to impute into robots? I don't know. What's the correlation between ISOC and god? |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 6:32pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: exactly, god of the gaps 1 Like |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 6:33pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: he said "he did it" is a claim NOT a proof 1 Like |
Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 6:52pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: Why smear your idiocy on a public forum as this? Huhn?!! Who told you I copied the OP somewhere! Just because you're unintelligent enough to construct a post doesn't mean you should project your ordeal on other. Go find a new hobby bub. Here you are claiming you silenced every Christian. Wait!!! Were you a Muslim? Cos this is the fovorite line. Where in the post is Christian categorically mentioned? Read to comprehend before attacking! below is the clause which begins the sentence in the OP. I've argued with many a theist on God's existence... KingEbuka is still here, but you avoid him and respond to your fellow atheists. Do you even know what avoidance is? if yes then you should know who avoided who. Pls answer me, How did Conciousness got into you and why hasn't scientists been able to impute it into robots and make them act independently? I've answered this. Do indulge me just as I have done. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:03pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
jimmyjenseng:I guess he's just ignoring you because you are match for him. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:04pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:And, if you say He didn't then present proof he didn't, then present proof who did. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:06pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Lol. When you have nothing to say, you grab at 'God of the gaps' |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:09pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
jimmyjenseng:You don't know but you confidently come out yelling at theists who knows. What is ISOC? That abbreviation can mean a lot of diff. things. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 8:20pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: Nope, its you that can't see how fallacious your post is here's how it went Emmany: Why haven't man been able to create consciousness and put it in a robot? Hope: This is god of the gaps, you're saying the fact that we haven't been able to figure out something or done yet is proof god exists your next post then proves it beyond doubt Emmany: A scientist figured out what causes an egg to float inside water, you get fascinated by that, but forget what caused the egg to be and what caused water to be. the above post is a classic god of the gaps and its sad you can't see it |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 8:32pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: that's not how onus probandi works, the claimant is to prove NOT the person challenging the claim let's use an example this is how onus probandi goes Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence Emmany: I stationed myself at the top of x hotel and took out my M40 and aimed it at Kennedy's head in the motorcade; the wind was moving ym/s from east to west so I adjusted my aim to compensate, Kennedy was also a moving target which made the shot really hard, my first shot hit him in the chest and I quickly made another to his head which was the fatal shot here's how you think onus probandi works Emmany: I was the sniper that shot and killed President John Kennedy Hope: That's and interesting claim, I doubt you did, please give me some proof or evidence Emmany: Present proof I didn't which sounds more reasonable? 1 Like |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:36pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Hope, i didn't speculate about Consciousness being a part of God in Man. God said he put it there. Our Consciousness makes us rational beings, and God is a rational being too. If i speculated as you made it seem, then it'll be God of the gaps, but YHWH Himself affirms it. Jesus walked with earth with rational consciousnesses, why i will doubt what He says? You for one, do not know how it cane about and wants me to not know with you. I don't know, and i know because i have seen it happen exactly as the Book says, which is more rational and sensible? Let's take How we got here for instance. Emmany: How do we got here? Hope: I don't know, but does not mean God created me. Emmany: But i know (Convinced) God created me. Hope: Proof it. Emmany: God said, He began by Creating every animal fully mature for procreation and fixed in them the necessary sex organs to enable them procreate and commanded them to go ahead and have offspring just like them. And, afterwards we were told that the first man mated with his wife and they had an offspring exactly like them and since then, that has been the mood of men coming into the earth. No other method has been found. Hope: I'm not convinced. Emmany: Well, i'm not out to convince you. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 8:39pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: you're piling claims upon claims upon claims, I hope you know claims aren't proof? otherwise there are myraid of claims about how we got here, each with claims upon claims upon claims with as much proof as yours (zero)? I could even write down a claim of how we got here too right here right now |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:48pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Lolzzzzzzzzzz. I keep telling you that you are clever, but not clever enough. That analogy you pulled up is not the case here. This your analogy would have passed if i personally claimed to be God, but allas, i'm not. Just like you the atheists look at the environment (nature, which God said He has put in place to convince us his existence), and say, i can't see God in this, i also look at the same nature and correlating further what my Book says, i'm convinced that YHWH exists. Now after conviction and the lack of it between the two of us, this discussion ensued. If you are not convinced, present your point while i do same, this is what this is about, not some claims that make it seem like we personally are the ones carrying out any actions. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 8:49pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone: actually the fact that you're not even god makes it worse for you, you're making this too easy |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:52pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:That's what i have asking you to do since. You can try a counter claim. I just stated what my book says and following it up From who the book claims to be the first man to me, is consistent, if you find any inconsistencies, then counter-claim. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:54pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:That's all you saw? Bring up the inconsisyencies of my Bibles claims of how we got here. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 9:00pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
The funny thing is 5 years ago I was just like Emmanystone. Funny how time and knowledge changes everything. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 9:04pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Emmanystone:let me play this game there are 2 (Two, yes ii, yes Meji, yes Biu, yes abụọ) totally different creation stories that contradicts right in the first few chapters of your book |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Nobody: 9:15pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: how do you change the link to the website you posted? |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 9:21pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: here's how [url=http://INSERT WEBSITE ADDRESS]INSERT THE TEXT YOU WANT THE POST TO DISPLAY[/url] let's do one for Google search anything |
Re: Hello Heathens! by Nobody: 9:42pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:I hope I got this right thank you |
Re: Hello Heathens! by hopefulLandlord: 9:47pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga: yup |
Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 7:12am On Nov 04, 2017 |
Emmanystone:It means intentional state of consciousness. |
Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 7:48am On Nov 04, 2017 |
rekinomtla: You contrasting propositional knowledge with blind faith or belief.This is! However you seem to be implying that if one has knowledge one doesn’t require beliefWhat I mean is: faith isn't knowledge. You're strawmanning me. which seems impossible since how can you know something to the case if you don't believed it is the case. Let me ask this: if you believe something to be true and it's true, does it matter if your believe is justified? |
Re: Hello Heathens! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:39am On Nov 04, 2017 |
dalaman: Artificial intelligence is evidence for artificial intelligence and we cannot deduce from the nature of AIs that it was created by a mind Unearthed pots , plates , spoons , idols in an area by Archaeologists isn't evidence for human settlement in an area but evidence for pots , spoons etc . This is why atheists are very poor at logic . 4 Likes 3 Shares |
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