EWAagoyin:
There's a saying which states that: person wai never born before no go know how he dey feel to get pikin

Someone that's lucky not have encountered anything spiritual before will find it so easy to type and call people who believes in witches and spirit "backward, illiterate and so on..... Whenever I see them I just look at them like someone who ignorant of his/her environment.


If you think witches and ghosts doesn't exist go to osun river and kill a fish... The rest they say will be history.

I am sorry, you are very ignorant of your environment and are still in the dark.
Electricity is dangerous but most people still use it because they understand
its usefulness and how to work with it.

Yet, none of those who claim to be spiritual understands its working, they always
hide behind mystery and secrecy while accusing others of ignorance when they
themselves no nothing about what they supposedly believe.

Your last statement is even more pathetic,
it is like saying if you don't believe in witches, throw a stone at a
perching bird and the rest will be history.
This is a meaningless argument because neither birds nor stones
have anything to do with witchcraft, the same thing that applies to
your Osun. Neither fishes nor the water in the river is any proof
of witchcraft.

BrutalJab:
Only Nigerians tend to know more than their parents and ancestors whenever an issue bout there heritage and traditions are mentioned.

It baffles me whenever I see small children on NL here saying that there is nothing like Witchcraft.

The bold part of your text is ironic because children are naturally
gullible and believes almost everything they are told while rational
adults are able to question ridiculous beliefs. In all honesty which
group do you think you belong?

Cos of little education,

You are right, half-education is what makes an adult promote ridiculous beliefs even
though he knows nothing about it and have no evidence to back up such claims.

they believe the Whites are their saviours.

Since you are a christian who literally believes that a jewish man died for your sins.
Don't you think you are insulting yourself with this line?

Leave Ignorant Nigerians alone. Even Seun from Ogun state dey claim rubbish. SMH

I bet you are the ignorant here, knowledge comes with assurance and applications
while the ignorants wallow in fear and despair. We both know who is in perpetual
fear of innocent "village people".

kennygee:
Witchcraft is the ability to manipulate people in a way that is pleasing to the manipulator.

It's not until you use jazz.

so u are a winch

gentlechyke:
white man creates a phone and you video chat with your brother you call it technology but when your Grandmother in the village use a mirror to see you in the city you call it witchcraft. No value for african products.

Savage!

But honestly we have to think about this

Riko2:
lol,oga other use dere witchcraft to developed dere place, but here in Africa we use witchcraft to harm one another, eg here in Nigerian u will see brother killing brother all because of land, G-boys use girls all in d name of making money, or else where in Africa where men use mangu mangu to catch dere wife of cheating, tell me which Western Nations do dis?

Can you tell me the developments oyibo have used witchcraft to do?

j1mmy:


They are portrayed as myths and entertainments. These beliefs are dated and today the western world uses them for entertainment and mythical portrayals.

You have to have some commonsense to see it but most Africans are too illiterate to understand the concepts!

On nairaland for example you have to write to most Nigerians like you are educating kids and apes! Sorry!!!

In the science world, the believe in the possibility of aliens in other solar systems is rising stronger everyday even among athiests when none has been physically seen. Can you call them deluded for this believe? So how is that different from a person who believe in the existence of ghost? Oh...maybe because scientists gave theirs fanciful and eye-catching names right? Mind you, There are Cable networks dedicated to ghost activities in the USA and a relatively new course called Witchcraftology is gaining recognition in renown universities in the western world.

Daviddson:
That's it. If these things are just African stuffs, where did Hollywood get the inspiration to write horror movies involving supernatural power depictions?! Nigerians who deny these things on Nairaland are being hypocritical.

Rosskii:


That is not true either. Americans spend billions of dollars per annum on consulting spiritualists like tarot readers, palm readers and psychics who help them communicate with their dead relatives. They even have TV programmes televising it! In fact Africans are the ones dropping all those things due to Christianity and Islam.

I see many people exhibiting inferiority complex on this thread while accusing
others of inferiority complex. And many of the pro-superstition arguments
are a textbook examples of false equivalencies.

First, America is a land of absurdities, with a population of 300 million and
strong church influence, you are bound to find enough people who engage
in extreme superstitions.

Just because some white men engage in irrational thinking does not make
such thinking rational! There are a lot of gun violence in the US and extreme
racism in some quarters, yet, it will dumb to use this example as the reason
why high-level of violence and tribalism is okay in another country.

Even at that, witch hunting others for lack of progress is a staple of African
belief. People who abandon or mistreats their old parents or kill their kids because
they are wizards are not in the same league with someone who believes that
luck amulets help them pass exams even though they are both superstitious.

While the former which is the specialty of many Africans, are creating more problems
for society and breeding lazy and dangerous thinkers, the latter is merely a burden
to themselves and most people don't care.

Albinos are under siege in Tanzania because some fools believe that they are ticket
for riches even though the witchdoctors making them "rich" is living in abject
poverty. Even in Nigeria, hunchbacks are being targeted for their "spiritual" value.
While some superstitious graduates believe it is their uncle, stepmother or an hater
that is responsible for their joblessness even though large-scale unemployment
is a natural result of poor governance.

Churches are even championing these absurdities by holding witch hunting programs
blaming "village people", old wicked men for poverty and lack of husbands.

You can worship a stone, devour live snakes, eat red candles and all that, it is your choice, but if
you try to sell such bizarre acts as evidence of witchcraft to others or victimize a set of people
for life misfortunes, you will get shut down by people
who think rationally.

A belief is not sacred because there are believers!

NPComplete:
Paranormal belief is different from paranormal paranoia.
How many of those Americans do you reckon kill innocent birds because their dumb arse pastor said so?
How many of them do u think see an animal they can't name and begin to shout like they just saw a ghost?
How many of them do u reckon believe their grandmother is behind their failures and drug habits?

It is one thing to believe in the supernatural, as a matter of fact, you can hardly be religious without believing in the supernatural and since most Americans are religious it is only expected they believe in the paranormal too, but it is another thing to constantly believe the supernatural are around u everywhere and are out to hurt you. Americans don't explain everything away with the supernatural as a matter of fact, they welcome scientific investigation of such things. But these backwards asshats in Africa will just say "it's not everything science can explain" without first trying to explain it with science and blocking every attempt to investigate it because they are comfortable in their delusions.

This thread is another failed attempt at justifying the pervasive proclivity for supernatural paranoia that is currently gripping Africa and fueled by fake pastors.

Fail!!!!!

Preachhhh bro.
Nor minf them, them see sloth them de scream "see creashure" just because them never see something like am b4. That's how one housegirl they brought for my old grandmom called my grandmom a witch and unfortunately I was around, well I can safely say she won't be seeing witches after what I did to her.

j1mmy:


You are a blatant liar and you lack commonsense!

Majority of whites will blame terminal illness on lifestyle and health and then go to hospital not babalawo - Africans will typically blame it on witchcraft, juju, enemies and then go for "spiritual healing" and help to fund pastors and juju people.

Most white men have no problem changing careers or looking for alternatives to success, they don't dwell on some spiritual or fetish reasons for lack of success!

Simpleton, I have lived and worked with professional caucasian people for donkey years...

I have inside knowledge about this their lifestyle which is compounded by social problems. Whites are actually the most gullible ppl on the planet in the right circumstance, how else do Yahoo boys thrive in their midst?

If you wanna worship them, your dilemma.

Many white company directors get into very much the same fetish shiitt that Africans get upto. Colour does not change ppl.

Homosexual rituals is their thing.

If you wanna rise in the ranks of a white collar job be prepared to witness and do some bizarre things that you can never speak of.

Harvey Weinstein

Whites use hyperbolic position names to galvanise respectibility and hide bad habits and excesses. Be prepared to bend over backwards, turn the other cheek and sell your soul.

jhubril:
Let's talk about the volume of efforts by the movie industry to paint a not so correct picture of superstitious beliefs(ie withcraft or wizardry ).

On a philosophical note,it is impossible to explain an abstract concept (without any physical appearance)or form as correct or factual knowledge. Arguably, we can only assume to know a great deal of it. This process is limited in metaphysics and Plato cautioned that we must draw a line of distinction between NUOMENA and PHENOMENA;the former is another word for assumption or what existentialists describe as COLLECTIVE CONSPIRACY,while the latter is, according to Plato,correct or factual knowledge.

Take the case of the cloud,normally it is viewed as a white fleecy substance that changes colour but it is ,as a matter of fact and science,the CONCENTRATION OF RAINDROPS.

Does the belief in withcraft assume the form of accurate knowledge as described above or it is movie producers and public sentiments overstretching the truth?

How did we come about such amount of knowledge and information about an inexplicable entity since we agree that it is an invisible realm(Has anyone conversed or even set his eyes on a witch or a wizard?)

In Africa most cultures consider the bird as the conspicuous symbol for witchcraft. You may have heard or read stories in the dailies or caught on the cameras lending credence to this belief. There are questions to be asked. If true why does withcraft takes as its symbol an object of flight and beauty? Ever seen a beautiful garden home to birds of diverse colours,flying across the lush green grass?

In Africa most people will stone a bird to death on the suspicion of witchcraft. As long as I am not invalidating the belief in it,I am going to have to ask us to prove that our knowledge of witchraft is exact and not an over-egged pudding?

This is written to investigate the undue influence African movies have had on our psyche in their attempt go metaphysical,full swing.

Do you believe in the possibility of aliens in other solar systems?

Riko2:
but Africans carry am 4 dere head like gala

now, this is the excuse when confronted with facts. It's not that Africans are backward again.

j1mmy:


You are a blatant liar and you lack commonsense!

Majority of whites will blame terminal illness on lifestyle and health and then go to hospital not babalawo - Africans will typically blame it on witchcraft, juju, enemies and then go for "spiritual healing" and help to fund pastors and juju people.

Most white men have no problem changing careers or looking for alternatives to success, they don't dwell on some spiritual or fetish reasons for lack of success!

Three Royal Marines who drank each other's urine then imitated a sex act in a 'repugnant' initiation rite in front of shocked clubbers are spared jail – because they were trying to surpass the 'outrageous' acts of past recruits

http:///2cwdxT

Even for African standards, thats is disgustingly obnoxious.

And before you say something foolish, of course its a ritual, even though its not called by name; we know a ritual when we see one.

ivolt:





I see many people exhibiting inferiority complex on this thread while accusing
others of inferiority complex. And many of the pro-superstition arguments
are a textbook examples of false equivalencies.

First, America is a land of absurdities, with a population of 300 million and
strong church influence, you are bound to find enough people who engage
in extreme superstitions.

Just because some white men engage in irrational thinking does not make
such thinking rational! There are a lot of gun violence in the US and extreme
racism in some quarters, yet, it will dumb to use this example as the reason
why high-level of violence and tribalism is okay in another country.

Even at that, witch hunting others for lack of progress is a staple of African
belief. People who abandon or mistreats their old parents or kill their kids because
they are wizards are not in the same league with someone who believes that
luck amulets help them pass exams even though they are both superstitious.

While the former which is the specialty of many Africans, are creating more problems
for society and breeding lazy and dangerous thinkers, the latter is merely a burden
to themselves and most people don't care.

Albinos are under siege in Tanzania because some fools believe that they are ticket
for riches even though the witchdoctors making them "rich" is living in abject
poverty. Even in Nigeria, hunchbacks are being targeted for their "spiritual" value.
While some superstitious graduates believe it is their uncle, stepmother or an hater
that is responsible for their joblessness even though large-scale unemployment
is a natural result of poor governance.

Churches are even championing these absurdities by holding witch hunting programs
blaming "village people", old wicked men for poverty and lack of husbands.

You can worship a stone, devour live snakes, eat red candles and all that, it is your choice, but if
you try to sell such bizarre acts as evidence of witchcraft to others or victimize a set of people
for life misfortunes, you will get shut down by people
who think rationally.

A belief is not sacred because there are believers!

Africa is not backward because of it belief system, rather, it is due to lack of integrity and will of an average African to defend what he believes. An average African can be easily swayed into changing his belief provided you have 'goodies' to shut his mouth and mind.

ivolt:

The bold part of your text is ironic because children are naturally
gullible and believes almost everything they are told while rational
adults are able to question ridiculous beliefs. In all honesty which
group do you think you belong?



You are right, half-education is what makes an adult promote ridiculous beliefs even
though he knows nothing about it and have no evidence to back up such claims.


Since you are a christian who literally believes that a jewish man died for your sins.
Don't you think you are insulting yourself with this line?


I bet you are the ignorant here, knowledge comes with assurance and applications
while the ignorants wallow in fair and despair. We both know who is in perpetual
fear of innocent "village people".

Oga 'ignorant', you never cease to call people ignorant if they don't agree with your opinion. If you are so 'enlightened', wouldn't it be better if you use that knowledge to make tangible impact in Nigeria and Africa rather than shouting 'ignorant' like an Anthem on every thread?

Was there anything like witchcraft and witch hunting in Africa before whiteman came with his devastating idea of witchcraft and witch hunting like he did in his own land at the time of inquisition?

What was the precolonial Africa concept of witchcraft?

j1mmy:


They are portrayed as myths and entertainments. These beliefs are dated and today the western world uses them for entertainment and mythical portrayals.

You have to have some commonsense to see it but most Africans are too illiterate to understand the concepts!

On nairaland for example you have to write to most Nigerians like you are educating kids and apes! Sorry!!!

i pray sumday both sense and maturity fall on u to knw there r better ways 2air opinion dan cumin wit insult hence showcasin ur childishness

Daviddson:
The books are Prepare for War, He Came to Set the Captives Free and Unbroken Curses all by Dr Rebecca Brown.

Lalasticlala, what do you think?

You missed Becoming A Vessel Of Honour also by Rebecca Brown.

ivolt:


The world slavery is not of African origin, neither is ritual nor murder
but I doubt you want to be subjected to any of those or actively
participate in it.

A practice or belief is wrong if it is irrational, right or wrong doesn't
depend on where it originates.

What exactly is your point? We all have a word in our respective languages that means witchcraft, so what exactly is your point? Slavery has been in existence since biblical times, most cultures have their own punishments for murder and rituals doesn't always in human life. Last time I checked, the law allows people to practise whatever faith they believe in as far as its not against the law or infringes on the right of others. So you actually have no right to question whatever anyone believes in even if it's witchcraft as far as it does not affect you directly.

Let me have the clue of where the mirrors are i need to make use of it. just to apply some science with it

ivolt:


This is one of the problems of half-education. Someone told you that
your grandma uses a mirror to view you in the city and you accept it
without question.
How are you in any way different from paranoid cavemen?

Mr Scholastica. Sacarsm intended. Don't be mean with life

redsun:


You forgot that whiteman created Mirror too, I wonder what the ignorant old woman could have used to see you in the smoke filled thatched hut if oyinbos didn't bring mirrors to Africa in exchange for slaves?

Americans are about the most ignorant populace in the so-called developed world,hence their myopic delusion and warped choice of leaders,i.e,trump.

afroxyz:


Must it always be grandmother? But you have a point

Lol. Nigerian mentality believes so

Old thin woman = naija witch
Sexy young maiden = oyinbo witch.


You take your pick. How will you stop existing because there are witches. Such that you pray more for the witches more than yourself. And your days are spent casting and binding them ( you de fear )



I will never forget that great minds were labeled heretics just because they had advanced/superior knowledge. (Isaac Newton &Galileo).


Just because the UK, Europe and the Americas have had centuries of witch burning history, does not mean we will let Africa follow suit.

All humans are naturally superstitious. Superstition is greater I issues where we feel helpless or lack knowledge or information. Generally Africans are less well informed. Television and radio changed a lot of things for white folk in terms of informing and reducing superstition. Many of our folk never had TV and now TV is having the opposite effect via Nollywood jazz .
Even about our own country we are very badly informed Many still believe animals borrow human parts and come to market to shop

Paranormal beings exist but Africans go about it like their lives depends on it

ivolt:

The bold part of your text is ironic because children are naturally
gullible and believes almost everything they are told while rational
adults are able to question ridiculous beliefs. In all honesty which
group do you think you belong?



You are right, half-education is what makes an adult promote ridiculous beliefs even
though he knows nothing about it and have no evidence to back up such claims.


Since you are a christian who literally believes that a jewish man died for your sins.
Don't you think you are insulting yourself with this line?


I bet you are the ignorant here, knowledge comes with assurance and applications
while the ignorants wallow in fair and despair. We both know who is in perpetual
fear of innocent "village people".

Do you have elders in ur family? If yes, goan ask them.

Ghost of the dead don't exist, I rather agree its people's imagination or some demon/evil spirit wearing dead people's faces. My Bible says after life comes judgment besides I think that of Oyibo is more paranoia

Chuksgeo:
Ghost of the dead don't exist, I rather agree its people's imagination or some demon/evil spirit wearing dead people's faces. My Bible says after life comes judgment besides I think that of Oyibo is more paranoia

That's true. That was what I told someone earlier:

Daviddson:
My point is not to validate the belief in ghost as many people understand them to be. Those ghosts are actually demons masquerading as dead people, but at least that is still SPIRITUAL.

THEN WHY ARE YOU USING WHITE MAN'S PHONE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR GRANDMOTHER INSTEAD OF HER MIRROR?

gentlechyke:
white man creates a phone and you video chat with your brother you call it technology but when your Grandmother in the village use a mirror to see you in the city you call it witchcraft. No value for african products.

NPComplete:
Paranormal belief is different from paranormal paranoia.
How many of those Americans do you reckon kill innocent birds because their dumb arse pastor said so?
How many of them do u think see an animal they can't name and begin to shout like they just saw a ghost?
How many of them do u reckon believe their grandmother is behind their failures and drug habits?

It is one thing to believe in the supernatural, as a matter of fact, you can hardly be religious without believing in the supernatural and since most Americans are religious it is only expected they believe in the paranormal too, but it is another thing to constantly believe the supernatural are around u everywhere and are out to hurt you. Americans don't explain everything away with the supernatural as a matter of fact, they welcome scientific investigation of such things. But these backwards asshats in Africa will just say "it's not everything science can explain" without first trying to explain it with science and blocking every attempt to investigate it because they are comfortable in their delusions.

This thread is another failed attempt at justifying the pervasive proclivity for supernatural paranoia that is currently gripping Africa and fueled by fake pastors.

Fail!!!!!

I believe you are not a follower of Christ (based on some posts you've written) although I coukd be wrong.
So, if true, then we differ in that aspect....however, aside from a few colorful word usages in this post (that I would've avoided), you have stated the part about Americans' beliefs beautifully.

olowobaba10:
THEN WHY ARE YOU USING WHITE MAN'S PHONE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR GRANDMOTHER INSTEAD OF HER MIRROR?

What a Crap!

Witchcraft is different from Science and technology.

Witchcraft and occultism is universal it exists in the West, Africa,Europe,Asia everywhere it exists.

Witchcraft can never contribute anything good rather it destorys a Nation or people.

The difference is White are more rational and intelligent, they are able to use Science effectively to produce and develop there Country they believe in magic and have been known to practise it even before colonizing Africa but they know that magic and witchcraft are not equivalent to Science and cannot be relied on.

Africa is backward becos we are dumb not becos we rejected Witchcraft.

If Witchcraft could make a nation rich Haiti could have been the richest.

delexy123:
Africa is not backward because of it belief system, rather, it is due to lack of integrity and will of an average African to defend what he believes. An average African can be easily swayed into changing his belief provided you have 'goodies' to shut his mouth and mind.

Africa is backward becos most Africans are dumb with a dumb culture.