budaatum:

Really? Is it not truer that it is written in a book that god said he did it?

Rephrase.

jimmyjenseng:


It means intentional state of consciousness.

Okay thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:


He is expected to refute the premises of the argument . Please don't tell me you've joined them too in this silly thinking

You should not be asking a person to refute a position in an argument of which the premises have not been established.

Imagine if I asked you to prove there is no god, for instance.

dalaman:
The funny thing is 5 years ago I was just like Emmanystone. Funny how time and knowledge changes everything.

Who were you? Let's trade epiphanies.
Still waiting for your answer.

Emmanystone:

Who were you? Let's trade epiphanies.

I believed in the things you currently believe in and reasoned just like you do.

dalaman:


I believed in the things you currently believe in and reasoned just like you do.

I see.

Okay can we go back and trade experiences?

I believe in YHWH. I believe he created the universe in Six days.

I believe he created Man who sinned and brought woe on himself.

I believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

I believe in his name.

I believe he died for those sins Man committed and broke grip that sin had on Man. I believe he died, resurrected and ascended into heaven and his coming back to rapture his own.

I believe in Afterlife and i believe in Hellfire.

What did you believe in before now?

jimmyjenseng:
I've argued with many a theist on God's existence, and I'm pretty sure a lot of you have done same both offline and online, and the most frequently said words after silencing their arguments are: even if there's a proof for god you still won't believe. And a few other times, they insert the shitty 'absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence' argument/statement. Truth is, if god does exists, I wouldn't need to believe it; I'd have knowledge of it. Existence, with proof, doesn't require believe; it requires knowledge.

So, how did you guys combat these defeating statements by the theist?

Kiss the truth. You atheists will refuse to believe that God exists even if He proves Himself. For anyone who's sincerely searching for God, there's enough evidence in the Universe of God's existence. But we know that for you atheists, it is not a matter of evidence, or the lack of it. You simply religiously believe that God does not exist.

dalaman:


Just as believers believe in Jesus but don't know him.

Who said i don't know Him? Or you mean to say i don't see Him with my optical eyes(?)

Pls try to differentiate between knowledge and sight.

DoctorAlien:


Kiss the truth. You atheists will refuse to believe that God exists even if He proves Himself. For anyone who's sincerely searching for God, there's enough evidence in the Universe of God's existence. But we know that for you atheists, it is not a matter of evidence, or the lack of it. You simply religiously believe that God does not exist.

They hate the fact that God exist that's why they can't rest about shouting He doesn't exist. They'd He really doesn't. But they know He does. It's a sad state to be in.

DoctorAlien:


Kiss the truth. You atheists will refuse to believe that God exists even if He proves Himself. For anyone who's sincerely searching for God, there's enough evidence in the Universe of God's existence. But we know that for you atheists, it is not a matter of evidence, or the lack of it. You simply religiously believe that God does not exist.

which God?

Emmanystone:

They hate the fact that God exist that's why they can't rest about shouting He doesn't exist. They'd He really doesn't. But they know He does. It's a sad state to be in.

So true.

Atheist philosopher Thomas Nagel is also revealingly honest:

“I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. My guess is that this cosmic authority problem is not a rare condition and that it is responsible for much of the scientism and reductionism of our time”.

Proudgorgeousga:

which God?

he must be talking about Amun Ra

DoctorAlien:


So true.

Atheist philosopher Thomas Nagel is also revealingly honest:

“I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. My guess is that this cosmic authority problem is not a rare condition and that it is responsible for much of the scientism and reductionism of our time”.

No Nigerian atheist can be this honest. This man is still an atheist, but honest to air out his world view.

They'd wish with everything in them that there's no God, but alas, there is.

Emmanystone:

No Nigerian atheist can be this honest. This man is still an atheist, but honest to air out his world view.

They'd wish with everything in them that there's no God, but alas, there is.

Honesty= someone saying what I want them to say

Logic according to Emmanystone

hopefulLandlord:


Honesty= someone saying what I want them to say

Logic according to Emmanystone

Lolzzz. I'm not sure Thomas Nagel said what he said because he believed Christians wanted him to say those things.

How you jumped over Thomas Nagel to me is amazing.

Do you agree with him or not?

Emmanystone:

Lolzzz. I'm not sure Thomas Nagel said what he said because he believed Christians wanted him to say those things.

How you jumped over Thomas Nagel to me is amazing.

Do you agree with him or not?

1st paragraph, Navel said what you want all atheists to be saying so that sounds like "sincerity" to you

2nd Nope

3rd, I agree that's his opinion but I don't agree with his opinion just like there are many opinions of Hitchens, Dawkins, Krauss, Sam Harris etc I disagree with; that's his own atheism and not mine

Emmanystone:

Who said i don't know Him? Or you mean to say i don't see Him with my optical eyes(?)

Pls try to differentiate between knowledge and sight.

What do you know about Jesus? Do you know where he is at the moment? Do you know what he looks like? Do you know what his voice sounds like? Can you recognize him of you see him? How did you get to know him?

Emmanystone:

I see.

Okay can we go back and trade experiences?

I believe in YHWH. I believe he created the universe in Six days.

I believe he created Man who sinned and brought woe on himself.

I believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

I believe in his name.

I believe he died for those sins Man committed and broke grip that sin had on Man. I believe he died, resurrected and ascended into heaven and his coming back to rapture his own.

I believe in Afterlife and i believe in Hellfire.

What did you believe in before now?

I said I believed the things you presently believe in.

DoctorAlien:


Kiss the truth. You atheists will refuse to believe that God exists even if He proves Himself. For anyone who's sincerely searching for God, there's enough evidence in the Universe of God's existence. But we know that for you atheists, it is not a matter of evidence, or the lack of it. You simply religiously believe that God does not exist.

Will you shut up and stop lying?

There is enough proof to show that Allah is God and about 1.8 billion muslims accept that..there is also enough proof to show that Brahma is God and cost to 1.2 billion Hindus accept that.

Why do you religiously disbelieve in these God despite the fact that there are so many evidence to show that they exist. The only God who has his signature written in nature is Allah but you religiously refuse to believe in him instead you run around accepting the fake narratives of the ancient Jews as truth.

DoctorAlien:


So true.

Atheist philosopher Thomas Nagel is also revealingly honest:

“I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. My guess is that this cosmic authority problem is not a rare condition and that it is responsible for much of the scientism and reductionism of our time”.

I never take you seriously because you are a dishonest fool. Thomas Nagel represents all atheist abi?

Didn't William Craig state that even if he enters a time machine and goes back in time to discover that Jesus never really resurrected from the dead that he'll still remain a christian. Have you seen any body use him as the standard to measure all christains?

Take your shameless and idiotic dishonest ways and move along .

rekinomtla:


But in this case you speaking about acquaintance knowledge. I'm only speaking about propositional knowledge.

What do you mean by Propositional knowledge?

dalaman:


I never take you seriously because you are a dishonest fool. Thomas Nagel represents all atheist abi?

Didn't William Craig state that even if he enters a time machine and goes back in time to discover that Jesus never really resurrected from the dead that he'll still remain a christian. Have you seen any body use him as the standard to measure all christains?

Take your shameless and idiotic dishonest ways and move along .

If I can find even one atheist like that (in this case Thomas Nagel and Martin Rowson) I have a good reason to see every atheist that way.

Until they prove they're not like that.

I know you're shocked and pained at the same time to see such a statement coming from an atheist. Let the pain flow through you.

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dalaman:


Will you shut up and stop lying?

There is enough proof to show that Allah is God and about 1.8 billion muslims accept that..there is also enough proof to show that Brahma is God and cost to 1.2 billion Hindus accept that.

Why do you religiously disbelieve in these God despite the fact that there are so many evidence to show that they exist. The only God who has his signature written in nature is Allah but you religiously refuse to believe in him instead you run around accepting the fake narratives of the ancient Jews as truth.

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Trash! You failed to address the fact main issue here which you bolded: that Martin Rowson would remain an atheist even if God walked into the restaurant.

ScepticalPyrrho:
What do you mean by Propositional knowledge?

"Descriptive knowledge, also declarative knowledge or propositional knowledge, is the type of knowledge that is, by its very nature, expressed in declarative sentences or indicative propositions. This distinguishes descriptive knowledge from what is commonly known as "know-how", or procedural knowledge (the knowledge of how, and especially how best, to perform some task), and "knowing of", or knowledge by acquaintance (the knowledge of something's existence)." ~ Wikipedia

Its the knowledge of facts usually expressed as "know-that" in sentences. It's different to procedure knowledge or knowledge by acquaintance.

DoctorAlien:


If I can find even one atheist like that (in this case Thomas Nagel and Martin Rowson) I have a good reason to see every atheist that way.

Until they prove they're not like that.

I know you're shocked and pained at the same time to see such a statement coming from an atheist. Let the pain flow through you.

you sound. pained

dalaman:


I said I believed the things you presently believe in.

Why did you 'believed' them, and what changed?

dalaman:


What do you know about Jesus? Do you know where he is at the moment? Do you know what he looks like? Do you know what his voice sounds like? Can you recognize him of you see him? How did you get to know him?

How old are you pls? No offence. I just want to know i'm not having a conversation with a child.

These questions are too childish.

May be i should reverse and and ask you the same question about your late grand father.

hopefulLandlord:

1st paragraph, Navel said what you want all atheists to be saying so that sounds like "sincerity" to you

He is right or not?

Going by my own interaction with you, i sense this is also your position. Why? Here is why. You don't know how the Universe came to be, but it must not be God who created it.
What does that mean? You don't know, but don't want it to be God(YHWH).

hopefulLandlord:

2nd Nope

3rd, I agree that's his opinion but I don't agree with his opinion just like there are many opinions of Hitchens, Dawkins, Krauss, Sam Harris etc I disagree with; that's his own atheism and not mine

No one mentioned these other men. Nagel threw out his views and i called him honest, you jumped on me. What shd i have said?

Hope, Atheists just hope there's no God, sorry there is.

DoctorAlien:


If I can find even one atheist like that (in this case Thomas Nagel and Martin Rowson) I have a good reason to see every atheist that way.

Until they prove they're not like that.

I know you're shocked and pained at the same time to see such a statement coming from an atheist. Let the pain flow through you.

How silly.

This guy is the dumbed-down version of Oladeeegbu.
What nonsense!!!

dalaman:


I never take you seriously because you are a dishonest fool. Thomas Nagel represents all atheist abi?

Didn't William Craig state that even if he enters a time machine and goes back in time to discover that Jesus never really resurrected from the dead that he'll still remain a christian. Have you seen any body use him as the standard to measure all christains?

Take your shameless and idiotic dishonest ways and move along .

What is the reason for this unnecessary insult nah? We should just have a discussion. Must we fight? He didn't even mention you for trigger this kind of heat from you. Na wao.

Emmanystone:

How old are you pls? No offence. I just want to know i'm not having a conversation with a child.

These questions are too childish.

May be i should reverse and and ask you the same question about your late grand father.

Am asking you pertinent questions. You claim to know Jesus don't you? It will suprise you but both my paternal and maternal grandfathers are still alive. One is 89 and the other is 91.

You atheists want to start a fight over nothing.



Hmmmm.