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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Deway7575: 4:04pm On Nov 08, 2017
@newafricaken, What military equipment was/were received from Jordan during this exercise?

newafricaken254:
KDF completes two weeks joint training exercise in Jordan

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuuN8TUvmww
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Deway7575: 4:10pm On Nov 08, 2017
News to my ears. Only if one could give 10 likes!
Henry240:

Yeah, the guys in Gambia were rocking NMT vests.

Nothing can be more enjoyable than the fact that Nigerian soldiers are rocking locally made protective gear, in a locally built LAV, using locally made radios and using locally built firearms. Unimaginable forex we will save.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 4:15pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


I have, and find no mention of it being made in Nigeria - hence, instead of starting a fight I gave y'all the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to enlighten me.

Instead of information, all I get is your provocational posts.

Why did you even bother responding if you have nothing to add?
And what correlation does that your question have to the post you quoted. If you couldn't find anything in your research why are you so sure you'd find it here. This guy undecided
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ActivateKruger: 4:21pm On Nov 08, 2017
Ibrahimanees:
STRICTLY OFF TOPIC:
Gov. Rochas Okorocha of Imo is set to unveil the statue of another African president, weeks after a national outrage over the unveiling of a multi-million naira statue of President Jacob Zuma of South Africa. Newsmen in Owerri report that Okorocha’s latest statue, a monument of President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf of Liberia, is scheduled to be unveiled on Nov. 9.
Kim Jon Un is scheduled for Nov. 31 and Robert Mugabe Dec. 20.... grin


Any space left for Idi Amin? Leaving him behind would be a dishonour, he needs a slot in the Dictatorship Avenue.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:28pm On Nov 08, 2017
Henry240:
These guys in Mali were rocking the locally made NMT bulletproof vest. Sweet!
What’s NMT?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:33pm On Nov 08, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

What’s NMT?
Nigeria Machine Tools.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 4:34pm On Nov 08, 2017
Deway7575:

@newafricaken, What military equipment was/were received from Jordan during this exercise?

the Bell AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters,no body knows the specific number given to KDF
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 4:41pm On Nov 08, 2017
lionel4power:

Not a good idea during conflict. Terrorists frogmen can attach a bomb at the hull at night.


SA not at conflict and we have different actions we do depending on threat level.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 4:52pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


35mm Oelikon 102 GDF-002 + 48 modified GDF-005 units - being upgraded to Skysheild (project should be finished)
8 starstreak MANPADS + Thales Page continuous-wave (CW) low-observable battery air defence local warning radars
4 ESR220 Thutlwa radar
14 Thales Squire radar system (not sure if they are intergrated)

and... ~30 ZU-23-2 mounted on a SAMIL 100 truck (I think those may have been sold to Nigeria), some have armored cabins.

As you can see, strategic Air-Defence has never been a real imperative for the SANDF - even GBADS seems focused on building tactical capablities (defending a specific key position)

The * srarstreaks menstioned are not manpands but triple launcher LML systems. Actualy Manpad versions are not the same.


The ZSU-23-2 where not sold they still very much in use in SA though they where briifly removed, used by the Special forces and removed again they back with ADA to provide a mobile AA gun sytem. As far as i know all in serves have armored Mine proofed cabs
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 4:54pm On Nov 08, 2017
lionel4power:

There has to be some safe distance between civvies boats and your navy's prized possession.

As a safety measure.

Civil-Military relationships can easily deteriorate,



Why? I mean we oen the ships to guided tours when in civilian ports. If the port is not safe we dont use use it or we make it safe.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:56pm On Nov 08, 2017
Repost. This guys face !

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 4:58pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


They are two separate harbors

Yellow - civilian
Red- military

The only SANDF or SAN vessel normally moored outside the military zone is the SAS Protea, our hydro-graphic vessel


Some civlian ships use the naval dock yard. These include Fish trawlers, Tugs, cargo ships, supply ships, research ships, private boats, extra. Though the number is low and the ships are handled by the SAN. And there is a lot of paperwork that is needed.

all so to the right of the yellow zone there is a second smaller area where the NAVY keeps small craft.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by golfsierra: 5:01pm On Nov 08, 2017
[color=#990000][/color]RBPU Kenya

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:02pm On Nov 08, 2017
Henry240:

Nigeria Machine Tools.
So the body armor is manufactured by NMT ?

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 5:10pm On Nov 08, 2017
andrewza:


The * srarstreaks menstioned are not manpands but triple launcher LML systems. Actualy Manpad versions are not the same.


The ZSU-23-2 where not sold they still very much in use in SA though they where briifly removed, used by the Special forces and removed again they back with ADA to provide a mobile AA gun sytem. As far as i know all in serves have armored Mine proofed cabs

Pity we didnt go for some vehicle mounts for the star-streak as well.

What happened to the litte-guyes on the buffel chassis?

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:11pm On Nov 08, 2017
ActivateKruger:



Any space left for Idi Amin? Leaving him behind would be a dishonour, he needs a slot in the Dictatorship Avenue.

Fyi,Idi didn't do a fraction of the crimes he was accused of! The usual suspects planned the coup to oust Obote for 2 reasons:
-he was making rude noises about UK support for SA.
-to control the source of the Nile and put pressure on Egypt

Amin was a patriot! He expelled the Asuians after their group refusal to drop their UK citizebnship. The killings that took place were instigated by Tutsis and other ethnic saboteurs.

Slater reports that the man who knows all about the coup is Colonel Bar-Lev, the Israeli defence attaché - the ambassador was away. Quoting Bar-Lev as the source, Slater reports: "In the course of last night, General Amin caused to be arrested all officers in the armed forces sympathetic to Obote ... Amin is now firmly in control of all elements of [the] army ... the Israeli defence attaché discounts any possibility of moves against Amin."

In the following days, the Israelis take the lead. Bar-Lev is in constant contact with Amin. Slater tells London that Bar-Lev has explained to him "in considerable detail [how] ... all potential foci of resistance, both up-country and in Kampala, had been eliminated." How does he know this? The Uganda military radio network had been provided by the Israelis. Soon afterwards, Amin made his first trip as president - to Israel
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/african-tyrant-the-truth-about-amin-6229173.html

He was never a cannibal or buffoon. In fact like Obote he repeatedly wanted to return home from Jedda and clear his name. Fyi,I actually met some close family members in N Uganda a decade ago. You should be wiser and know the smell of Anglo Zionist bs,by now. He's with Col Bar lev,Golda Meir ex PM and being presented with a mini UZI-they were once tight!

As always things soured with the Chosenites when he chose justice for Palestinians as you see him with Gaddaffi-he swore if they all didn't leave he'd turn them over to the PLO whom he hosted free in Kampala!

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:20pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


Wait, you guys make the Tavor?



Nigeria uses a a lot of wepaons from AK, FN, Tavour, extra extra. Made in a lot of countries. The fire arms made in Nigeria are AK style, FAL copies, G3 copies, BM 59 copies, for rifels, the all so make a M12 SMG copy and a HI POWER for a pistol. they all so make FN mag and RPG,s. Though to be honest i wonder how much they make of each. I suspect they focus on the AK,s and the rest as needed. Either way Nigeria is finaly able to make domestic small arms.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:21pm On Nov 08, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

So the body armor is manufactured by NMT ?
Yea, i posted their brochure in this thread a couple months back.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:22pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


Pity we didnt go for some vehicle mounts for the star-streak as well.

What happened to the litte-guyes on the buffel chassis?


the LML is meant to be static or mounted to a vehicle. 1 day could have a feild work shop ,mount them on a toyata, casspir what ever.


the 20mm aa guns where phased out and replaced by the zsu23-2
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:24pm On Nov 08, 2017
Napalm,anyone?

Idk why we don't use this primo area weapon? Not as a flame thrower-too heavy and unwieldy! We use cluster bombs and ordinary dumb bombs in Africa apart from the Rhodies who had their own version called Frantam,which was thickened petroleum jelly mixed with aluminum flakes. The latest version ,Napalm B,shown here in the treeline,burns hotter and longer.
odern napalm is known as "Napalm B." It is distinctly different than the napalm used in past conflict such as Vietnam and World War II. Napalm B is made of different chemicals than the napalm of the past. However, despite its different characteristics, Napalm B is often referred to by military personnel simply as "napalm."

Napalm B is usually comprised of "plastic polystyrene" and "hydrocarbon benzene." These compounds combine to form jellied gasoline, which is extremely flammable and hot when ignited. Napalm B is much easier to control and manage when ignited than previous forms of napalm – which was so flammable that it often caught on fire when soldiers smoked cigarettes near it. Napalm B is sometimes called "Super Napalm" as it burns much longer than older versions of the agent. Napalm B can burn for as long as 10 minutes. Older versions of napalm often burned for less than 30 seconds.
https://www.thebalance.com/napalm-still-used-as-a-weapon-3345094

Haiyya! It seems Naij used it against the Ibos!
Napalm has been used recently in wartime by or against: Iran (1980–1988), Israel (1967, 1982), Nigeria (1969), Brazil (1972), Egypt (1973), Cyprus (1964, 1974), Argentina (1982), Iraq (1980–1988, 1991, 2003 - ?), Serbia (1994), Turkey (1963, 1974, 1997), Angola, France (1946-1954, 1954-1962), United States.T S
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Napalm


I hear Russia has a version that melts brick!?

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:25pm On Nov 08, 2017
Henry240:

Yea, i posted their brochure in this thread a couple months back.
Post it again please, it appears I didn’t mark attendance that day and their website is driving me crazy.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:27pm On Nov 08, 2017
kikuyu1:
Napalm,anyone?

Idk why we don't use this primo area weapon? Not as a flame thrower-too heavy and unwieldy! We use cluster bombs and ordinary dumb bombs in Africa apart from the Rhodies who had their own version called Frantam,which was thickened petroleum jelly mixed with aluminum flakes. The latest version ,Napalm B,shown here in the treeline,burns hotter and longer.

https://www.thebalance.com/napalm-still-used-as-a-weapon-3345094

Haiyya! It seems Naij used it against the Ibos!
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Napalm


I hear Russia has a version that melts brick!?


SA tested in back in the border war and droped it, was not as effective in the African bush
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:35pm On Nov 08, 2017
newafricaken254:
firearm ownership on the rise in kenya among affluent citizen

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42kmtyMl-Q



Err,no,actually. Approval for gun ownership,especially handguns is still very very difficult. I know of a deputy CID boss whom applied on retirement -and was denied!? Btw,no reasons are given. IIRC,just after the Westgate thing when private gun onwers were instrumental in helping recapture the mall noises were made about finally instituting a FAIR national firearms bureau-nothing came of it.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:37pm On Nov 08, 2017
andrewza:



SA tested in back in the border war and droped it, was not as effective in the African bush

Exactly what was the problem,considering Frantam performed well?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 5:41pm On Nov 08, 2017
kikuyu1:
Napalm,anyone?

Idk why we don't use this primo area weapon? Not as a flame thrower-too heavy and unwieldy! We use cluster bombs and ordinary dumb bombs in Africa apart from the Rhodies who had their own version called Frantam,which was thickened petroleum jelly mixed with aluminum flakes. The latest version ,Napalm B,shown here in the treeline,burns hotter and longer.

https://www.thebalance.com/napalm-still-used-as-a-weapon-3345094

Haiyya! It seems Naij used it against the Ibos!
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Napalm


I hear Russia has a version that melts brick!?

Flame throwers are illegal.

Russians get around it because TOS systems and Shmel RPG's are thermabolic, which is not expressly prohibited.

I question the effectiveness of TOS because after brief appearances on the field in Iraq and Syria (both of whom actually own them) they very quickly disappeared from the front (Syrians had theirs near Homs, and it hasnt been seen in months, Iraqi's had theirs on the road to Mosul, but it has also since vanished)- while the classic MRLS with HE warheads remain ubiquitous.

Shmel is obviously a nifty niche weapon - Engineers getting rid of pesky bunkers, or SF raiding supply-dumps or air-feilds. But as a niche weapon, I dont see much place for it amongst the rank-and-file.

Here, the worlds most exhausted Russian demonstrates the Shmel for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKIJChgFvs
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:43pm On Nov 08, 2017
kikuyu1:


Exactly what was the problem,considering Frantam performed well?


Poorly suited to African warfare and other options like red phosphorus.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 5:44pm On Nov 08, 2017
kikuyu1:


Exactly what was the problem,considering Frantam performed well?

Because its in the dry bush-veldt - a flame thrower would set everything on fire and your entire battle-feild would turn into a raging inferno, which would end up being a major headache for BLUFOR as well as OPFOR.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:45pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


35mm Oelikon 102 GDF-002 + 48 modified GDF-005 units - being upgraded to Skysheild (project should be finished)
8 starstreak MANPADS + Thales Page continuous-wave (CW) low-observable battery air defence local warning radars
4 ESR220 Thutlwa radar
14 Thales Squire radar system (not sure if they are intergrated)

and... ~30 ZU-23-2 mounted on a SAMIL 100 truck (I think those may have been sold to Nigeria), some have armored cabins.

As you can see, strategic Air-Defence has never been a real imperative for the SANDF - even GBADS seems focused on building tactical capablities (defending a specific key position)
There are still the MANPAD version of the Starstreak 80 launchers or so.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:49pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


Flame throwers are illegal.

Russians get around it because TOS systems and Shmel RPG's are thermabolic, which is not expressly prohibited.

I question the effectiveness of TOS because after brief appearances on the field in Iraq and Syria (both of whom actually own them) they very quickly disappeared from the front - while the classic MRLS with HE warheads remain ubiquitous.

Shmel is obviously a nifty niche weapon - Engineers getting rid of pesky bunkers. But as a niche weapon, I dont see a place for it in Africa.

Here, the worlds most exhausted Russian demonstrates the Shmel for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKIJChgFvs



Flame throwers are not illegal that myth stems from a poor under standing of the laws of armed conflict. In short you can't use them in populated civilian areas. Flame throws are bested suited in close combat and most close combat is in built up civilian areas. But they very much legal and in use with a few contries like China.


The TOS are in few numbers so they probably cost a lot to use. Combined with limited range and you see why they not used often. They mean to basically blast a area before it is attacked.

All so the SMAW system all so fires a thermobaric round, along with the RPG 7 and other launchers.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:52pm On Nov 08, 2017
patches689:


Because its in the dry bush-veldt - a flame thrower would set everything on fire and your entire battle-feild would turn into a raging inferno, which would end up being a major headache for BLUFOR as well as OPFOR.


That was the one issue, other issue is it would just burn a small patch killing g less than if a bomb was used and not stopping people going around it. It a great tool for jungle warfare not for Bush or desert warfare.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 6:06pm On Nov 08, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
Repost. This guys face !

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Xbee007(m): 6:09pm On Nov 08, 2017
According to the recent 2018 Nigerian Appropriation Bill, Nigeria is going to pay in instalments for the three JF-Thunder. Meaning the deal was never cancelled only delayed.

http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2018-budget-proposal

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