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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:20am On Nov 11, 2017
Oasis007:


Iheanacho has shown he can press and track-back, thus the Team can switch to 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 with Iheanacho becoming an AM.

Because it will be easier to launch a Counter-Attack with Iheanacho playing behind Kayode. He gets the Pace and also can give a decisive Pass.

We need the orchestrative abilities of Mikel in that AM position. Mind you this is Argentina we are playing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 11:21am On Nov 11, 2017
Lucque:
I agree wholeheartedly...nd i think I have a list of possible replacements.
I read about one mujtahida..has over 2063pages worth of nairaland forum coaching experience...
U guys just don't get it, u want a coach dat will do WATS on ur mind gongon.
U want a rohr to pull a barcelona out of Nigeria.... Welldone!!
D man is doing his best with Wat is available... Let's stop being ungrateful ..pls whoever doesn't like rohr should go jump in d lagoon... swim to d oda end ND den come bck

Sir that was sarcasm at his best. He was expressing his frustration at people's criticism of Rohr , you get it?
He respects Rohr a lot and a big advocate of him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:27am On Nov 11, 2017
Thank you! this was the discussion I was having with someone.
Shehu is not smart. He needs to be taught a lesson in discipline as well, as it was he who charged forward at Brahimi, uttering something.

But with all fairness, I would have shown Brahimi a red
Icon4s:
The coaches need to teach our players how to be actors on the pitch.

That moment when Brahimi headed Shehu, he had no business being on his feet.

He ought to have fallen and rolled as if a sledge harmer was used on him.

That would probably have influenced the ref to show Brahimi the red card. These are some of the tricks South Americans and Europeans use to edge out their opponents when there is nothing to separate the two.

This singular act can prove crucial in a world cup game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 11:28am On Nov 11, 2017
Icon79:
I think the face mask might be bothering Balogun as well. It's probably disturbing his vision.


O pari


I agree. Have u noticedthat when you wear glasses or shades, u seem to have issues hearing what people say at once? If you dont believe me, you are welcome to try.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:29am On Nov 11, 2017
OMANBALA1:



Osimhen need to move to France,Belgium or Holland. Never liked our players featuring for German clubs.

Is he is truly top quality as some have said let him prove it, quarrel no deh. He is in lowly Wolfsburg a shadow of its former self. Now hovering in the relegation zone.

He is essentially a youth player struggling to make the bench. Why did he get a first class ticket to the SE.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 11:31am On Nov 11, 2017
Oasis007:


Yes Ndidi is a great Tackler, but calmness on the Ball and Confidence supersede Tackling; the major Reason I opt for Ogu. Besides, Ogu is a Threat outside the Box, he's likely to convert 1/3 Rebounds from the Corner Kicks.

You are right don't forget the tracking back.. It is going to expose the midfield considering the pace of Mikel and Ogu... And I can't see Mikel sitting deep covering the back four...

You are just going to over stress the back four and leave plenty space in midfield... We need a breaker midfield
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:34am On Nov 11, 2017
realpoacher:


And if uzoho messes up, what next?... Isn't it the same you that will call for his head?... My guy leave that thing. Ajiboye, Akpeye, Ezenwa, Alampasu, Uzoho are one and the same - average keepers, and quite sadly they are all we've got. So we have no choice than to manage them like that.

It will be foolhardy and suicidal thinking of going to look for another keeper who we will take to the world cup aside these. And it will be more laughable to make your Uzoho first choice going to the Mundial. I would rather correct the errors of Akpeyi and Ezenwa than treading the options above. So tone down on your criticism of a player when he makes an error in a game.

Please learn from history and work with what you have.

We need the best keeper in the post. Not best adjusted keeper. When we had Enyeama in goal, he was the best. The goalkeeping department need to get to work and find out the best set.

Ezenwa is a good goalkeeper but his limitations will put us at risk. And, yes, if Uzoho is not good enough, we have to keep searching than settle for someone we know is not good enough.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 11:34am On Nov 11, 2017
Icon4s:


We need the orchestrative abilities of Mikel in that AM position. Mind you this is Argentina we are playing.

Boss..... Mikel should rather play as a deep-lying Playmaker against the Argentines. Possession-wise we can't outplay the Argentines, hence Mikel Vision and long Range Passes gonna be a huge Advantage to counter-attack the Argentines.

Defensively, the Team would switch to 4 - 2 - 3 - 1, and offensively play 4 - 4 - 2.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:36am On Nov 11, 2017
tbaba1234:


I am not yet sold on onomah's quality. I will have to take out time to watch a couple of his games.

Take time out and watch his games with England U20 he was not just outstanding. I will leave you to eat humble pie and hail him.

I remember him at Tottenham when he was 16 he was the most technically gifted player without doubt in the U18's. He has got rid of all the show boating drag backs and rainbow flicks and JJay posturing. He is now an effective top player with consistent end product delivery.

If we want him we need to do it now not on the pages of newspapers. Next season he will be one of Tottenhams best then it will be too late.

England is changing rapidly the racial dynamics within football have swung completely. England will soon be like France.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:37am On Nov 11, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:


Seriously I was expecting such from him.. Maybe cos he's a tough guy too...

I dunno why he was standing and keep talking to him... Me shehu must have be on the floor rolling...

Exactly, Remember Sani Kaita and that Greek player?

The singular drama changed the course of that game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:37am On Nov 11, 2017
mank1234:


And what was the result in that game? We won? We scored plenty?

If a midfielder creates good chances, he has done his job. You can not blame him for the forwards not converting the chances.

Gerrit?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:40am On Nov 11, 2017
Oasis007:


Boss..... Mikel should rather play as a deep-lying Playmaker against the Argentines. Possession-wise we can't outplay the Argentines, hence Mikel Vision and long Range Passes gonna be a huge Advantage to counter-attack the Argentines.

Defensively, the Team would switch to 4 - 2 - 3 - 1, and offensively play 4 - 4 - 2.

Mikel's best games for Nigeria in the last 7 years have been from the AM position.

He may not be pacy enough to play the box to box midfield role.

His killer final passes and recent eyes for goal would be key for us in that game.

He is our key man going into that encounter and we must maximize his abilities.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 11:41am On Nov 11, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:


You are right don't forget the tracking back.. It is going to expose the midfield considering the pace of Mikel and Ogu... And I can't see Mikel sitting deep covering the back four...

You are just going to over stress the back four and leave plenty space in midfield... We need a breaker midfield

Matic and Pogba have no Pace, but their Combo (Pivot) was superb for United. When Pogba was injured, Fellaini, another slow Player, came in for him in the Lineup and still maintained the Team's Balance.

However, the Pace of Herrera couldn't help the Team to maintain the momentum after Fellaini joined the Injury List, rather it collapsed the Midfield.

Mikel is an experienced DM, same as Ogu. Can they fit in perfectly.....?! YES!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:44am On Nov 11, 2017
Humility017:

who is tega onomah please...
please this is super eagles thread and not 3 lions thread...
stop using the English football system as a yardstick to judge our players...
those players you mentioning have every thing working for them...good and organised football system...unlike us here in Nigeria I doubt if tega had gone through what oshimen experienced while growing up....

over hyped English groomed players...if England was that England....they would have been edging Germany all this while om world cup tournaments.....



not everyone will be opportuened to.play in England even at that you should not expect a teenager who just changed an environment, football culture and vibes to get so well and smooth in Europe though some can....but definetely the lad is on a gradual progress....I believe if at 18 he could get few minutes under his belt I believe as time goes by...he will definetely get hours provided he keep working hard..

you're so swift to pull down other players just to promote your English groomed players which I wont want to call average....

only God knows if those guys you're mentioning even have a Nigeria passport

I was making a comparison to TAYO EDUN who is at Fulham and TEGA ONOMAH who were both born in London, UK. As well as play age grade for England U19 and U20 respectively.

Everything you have said is completely and entirely of no direct or indirect relevance to this particular discourse.

Your comments are baffling.

Your negative presumptuous prejudice bewildering but exposed for all to SEE CLEARLY AS BIGOTRY.

I will no longer respond to your posts.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 11:50am On Nov 11, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
One word for John Ogu's performance today. Phenomenal. I was blown away. Amazing, amazing performance. His interceptions, ball winnings, smooth passes, intelligent decision-making.

Many might rave about the goal but his all round contribution was remarkable.

God bless you sir

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 11:51am On Nov 11, 2017
Icon4s:


Mikel's best games for Nigeria in the last 7 years have been from the AM position.

He may not be pacy enough to play the box to box midfield role.

His killer final passes and recent eyes for goal would be for us in that game.

He is our key man going into that encounter and we must maximize his abilities.

You are right Boss, Mikel has been exceptional so far for the Team as an AM, but in the Africa Qualifying Matches (against African Teams).

It ain't gonna be a big Deal to nullify Mikel as an AM against non-Africa Team, hence if the Team is built on Mikel playing as an AM, it may tactically backfire, coz its easier to man-mark an attacking Player (as Herrera tamed Hazard last Season).
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:53am On Nov 11, 2017
Joebie:
komekn I must commend your patriotic gesture. I want to assume you are not paid to go out and watch these boys. Neither are you an agent. I want to say I respect your contributions. If we all could do the same, this thread would be so rich. And I'm sure coaches would come here to scout. So next time when we go out there, let's take pictures or make videos. Just an idea. We need to start doing something different for Nigeria. We love our country pass other countries abi? No be just for mouth oh

Most appreciated.

I am totally de- tribalised.

I was born in the UK but finished High school in Nigeria. I speak Ibo, Isoko / Uhrobo and a smattering of Yoruba from using molue ( yes I have entered molue) and my favourite language Warri pidgin.

So for those who think I am an oyibo that far from the truth.

My concept of patriotism is wound up in integrity, honesty, Fair-Play and righteousness. Of these I plead guilty too unapologetically.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 12:12pm On Nov 11, 2017
komekn:


I was making a comparison to TAYO EDUN who is at Fulham and TEGA ONOMAH who were both born in London, UK. As well as play age grade for England U19 and U20 respectively.

Everything you have said is completely and entirely of no direct or indirect relevance to this particular discourse.

Your comments are baffling.






Your negative presumptuous prejudice bewildering but exposed for all to SEE CLEARLY AS BIGOTRY.

I will no longer respond to your posts.



Baba forget all dis tega,tema,Tammy, and all championship players we keep disturbing oursefs with


I watched England vs Germany yday,and i saw d Tammy guy we re all clamouring for,he was not spectacular,intact d whole English team wasn't spectacular, I just pity DT Tammy guy,cos by d time Kane and odas re back,he won't smell DT team again


Having said DT,we don't av to beg anybody again,let's concentrate on d players we have at d moment and utilize dier potential to fullest abeg

Show interest to d team if u re willing,not one average premiership/championship player thinking we would come one day to beg him for service

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:12pm On Nov 11, 2017
kennysville:


God bless you sir

Thank you a lot and God bless you too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:13pm On Nov 11, 2017
Joebie:
Thank you! this was the discussion I was having with someone.
Shehu is not smart. He needs to be taught a lesson in discipline as well, as it was he who charged forward at Brahimi, uttering something.

But with all fairness, I would have shown Brahimi a red

U can say savvy but saying the guy is not smart sounds very disrespectful. He was well discipline IMO no matter what he said Brahimi had no right to do what he did. I expect FIFA to take action.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by solonnachi: 12:17pm On Nov 11, 2017
Joebie:
Cc oasis007

I ENJOY BEING ARSENAL'S NO. 10, SAYS ALEX IWOBI
Tolu Olasoji

The Nigeria international is pleased with his role in Wenger's squad, while hoping the Blues slip up in the English toplight title race
Alex Iwobi has revealed that he enjoys playing in the no. 10 position for Arsenal.
With Mesut Ozil, absent through illness in the Gunner’s 2-0 English Premier League win over Crystal Palace, the 20-year-old was moved to the central attacking midfielder position. And repaid Arsene Wenger’s faith by sealing the victory with his second league goal of the season.
The Nigeria international who spent his youth days playing behind the striker said he prefers featuring in the much-coveted position and keeps learning to be at his best in that area.

"It (No. 10) is where I have grown up playing and where I enjoy playing the most but wherever I am put on the pitch, I will do my best and whenever I get told to play any position I give 100 per cent,” Iwobi told Evening Standard.
"There are a lot of players who can play No.10; a lot of ball players in the team. Every day in training I am always learning and trying to add it to my game."

Asked about his plans and expectations for the new year, the midfielder said: "I haven't looked that far ahead.
"I concentrate on every game and taking it game by game. I don't know, I just have to wait and see.
"On the team's behalf we are focusing more on ourselves and our performance.
"Hopefully if Chelsea slip up, they slip up but we have to make sure we win to keep up the title race. The games are coming thick and fast; we just have to prepare the same.

"We have got the momentum, we are confident now and hopefully we can keep up our winning streak. I'm just trying to do the best I can.
"If the team does well that is the main thing,” he concluded.

--goal


This is enough reason to play Iwobi in the 10 role and not Etebo who struggled last night. Same thing is Iheanacho playing supporting striker not winger.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:20pm On Nov 11, 2017
Icon4s:


My brother a larger percentage here were expecting us to beat the so called "weakened Algerian side".

But for the dubious penalty we would have won all the same. But the expectations on this dead rubber game was too much.
I beg to disagree Sir. Forumites didn't even discuss this match as such not to talk of larger percentage. What has occupied us here has been the Tammy saga and the argument for /against foreign born players. I doubt if anyone even made any goal prediction in our favour. I dare say nobody did. I remember even laughing and saying that we've been on this foreign born issue because Super Eagles have qualified. There wasn't much expectation.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:24pm On Nov 11, 2017
I'm watching that game again right now. I will comment on other things I observed.

But back to Shehu's issue. Even before that encounter, he would have gotten a second yellow on other occasions if it were for other refs.
Shehu is easily my joint MOTM with Ekong, but hey I have to say things as it is.
when I say not smart, you know what I mean. This is no English class. If I want to write serious English, trust me I can.
It's ABC in football, when someone head butts you, you fall.



BascoVanVeli:


U can say savvy but saying the guy is not smart sounds very disrespectful. He was well discipline IMO no matter what he said Brahimi had no right to do what he did. I expect FIFA to take action.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 12:28pm On Nov 11, 2017
You meant Brahimi?
PDPGuy:
I will be surprised if this referee is chosen to officiate at the World Cup.

The laws of the game mandate the ref to show a red card to a player who headbutts another. But this ref only gave Slimani a yellow
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:32pm On Nov 11, 2017
I've always made the argument that there is no such thing as natural position. While the AM may be Iwobi's preferred position he still has to contend with other players who can probably play better than him there at his club. So decisions like these are made in the interest of the team,
not playing every player in their preferred position.
As regards the way SE is set up, with Mikel in the bench, Iwobi is the best for AM. The pitch really affected our play yesterday. Iwobi's style depends heavily on a smooth pitch because his ground key passes needs that. I noticed that one cross that he failed to connect with Nwakaeme, the ball actually was rolling and then took a quick bounce as soon as he attempted the pass.

solonnachi:



This is enough reason to play Iwobi in the 10 role and not Etebo who struggled last night. Same thing is Iheanacho playing supporting striker not winger.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 12:39pm On Nov 11, 2017
damagnificentusb:
what i dont understand is when peeps here say fins like rohr is making a mistake playing iwobi on d wings. Please explain better. Chai so una sabi pass the coaches in arsenal and gernot rohr i am not geting it. Some peeps go as far as saying his natural position is d Amf position smh! Online coaches
as in.. Even in d game against city he played wide on d wings..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:45pm On Nov 11, 2017
Thank you sir. And I appreciate your opinion as well.
Firstly I want to say if we must be realistic, there are not much lessons we can draw from yesterday's game based on the circumstance as regards the bad state of the pitch.

Having said that, you cannot make final judgements as regards players best position of play from just one match. Else we would say Iheanacho is a bad winger, or we would say Iheanacho is a bad striker or a bad support striker etc, just because of single games he's played in those positions. You get me?

With Mikel on the bench, who would you play as your AM? The most versatile players will have an edge in Rohr's team. The best test is the actual match. These players are quite versatile but they have to show how effective they are in each position on match day.

Oasis007:


Prof Joe!

I understand your Point, and kinda appreciate your in depth Knowledge in the Game, but there is something I wanna make clear Boss;

Managers and Coaches know what's good for the Players, they see them in Training, they know their capabilities and weaknesses. Can Iwobi play 10...?! Yes! But can he play the Position satisfactorily?! Not Sure!

I remember Dudes claiming Etebo best Position is AM, he was tried there Yesterday and we all saw he's ain't made for the Position.

Mkhtaryan claimed his best Position is 10, and Mourinho was playing him out of Position last Season. He gets his chances this Season, he was exceptional in the few Matches, but now turns out to be a ghost of himself.

At Dortmund, he played mostly on the LW, he banged Goals and Assists, won best Player in the League..... yet he's not satisfied playing on the Wing at United. I believe he has seen the Light now!

I may sound too rigid with my Submission on Iwobi best Position, but I believe his Handlers ain't making Mistakes by playing him on the Wing Sir.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 12:48pm On Nov 11, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


If a midfielder creates good chances, he has done his job. You can not blame him for the forwards not converting the chances.

Gerrit?

Ok Sir
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:53pm On Nov 11, 2017
Oasis007:


I know Ndidi is a good Tackler, and kinda already accustomed to 2 DMs Pivot at Leicester City, but experience-wise I'm gonna go with Ogu. Trust me, Ogu is better than Ndidi.

No player covers as much ground as Ndidi.. The number of tackles, he won against Algeria was outstanding. A midfield of Mikel and Ogu alone will be porous, you need a ball winner.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 12:56pm On Nov 11, 2017
tbaba1234:


No player covers as much ground as Ndidi.. The number of tackles, he won against Algeria was outstanding. A midfield of Mikel and Ogu alone will be porous, you need a ball winner.

That's simply an Assumption not a proven Fact Sir. Until they are played together, we wouldn't know Boss!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Naijaphobia(m): 12:57pm On Nov 11, 2017
Naijaphobia:
Shehu is far far better than Musa Mohammed, Efe Ambrose, Chidi Odiah, Mohammed Yusuf, Emeka Ezeogu, Austin Eguavoen and other ancestors that have played the right-back position for the SE.



The ease at which Shehu commands that right-back position I see him being Naija greatest ever eventhough some felt quota system played a role in his frequent invitation.

Best Aboki ever!!!!!!!!





Argue with your ancestors!!! grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by solonnachi: 1:11pm On Nov 11, 2017
Joebie:
I've always made the argument that there is no such thing as natural position. While the AM may be Iwobi's preferred position he still has to contend with other players who can probably play better than him there at his club. So decisions like these are made in the interest of the team,
not playing every player in their preferred position.
As regards the way SE is set up, with Mikel in the bench, Iwobi is the best for AM. The pitch really affected our play yesterday. Iwobi's style depends heavily on a smooth pitch because his ground key passes needs that. I noticed that one cross that he failed to connect with Nwakaeme, the ball actually was rolling and then took a quick bounce as soon as he attempted the pass.


I agree with you. Iwobi is also becoming fat that he can't run at times and make necessary tackles & was sluggish. Was the bad pitch also responsible for that?

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