TheHistorian:
Well Said.

I'm impressed the "tithing" controversy was handled maturely by both opposing sides.There has being no recorded aggression nor physical discord amidst christians.It's just about comparing opinions and bringing arguments that seem superior.

In likewise manner,Like the OP stated...The deliberate attempt by the administration of this forum to gag "conflicting ideas" against the practice of Islam needs to be review as healthy argument breeds clarity.

aribisala0:
There is a very strong chance you will be accused of being me using another ID

aribisala0:
No one who was been in Nigeria recently can be ignorant of the furore over tithes triggered or ignited by Mr Freeze and continued on several fronts by Nigerian believers ,supporters and critics of the practice.

The debate has no doubt been very lively and will continue for some time

What I want to highlight is the RELATIVE tolerance and openness of the atmosphere that the debate has been conducted in.Yes there has been abuse and aggression on both sides but no one has been killed.

OurMuslim brothers need to learn how to accept tolerate and debate challenges to those things they regard as sacred without adopting violence or killing. Many people can come to the public and challenge everything about Christianity without fear or intimidation.

Even here on Nairaland the "OWNER" and General Overseer Daddy Seun has been cowed into requiring any commentator on Muslim threads to declare themselves as a Muslim.
At the right time we will examine the legality or liabilities of that discriinatory action across all the jurisdictions where the website wishes to appear.
Anyway the realiity is no one has seen God and so any claim about God will and should be open to scrutiny and debate or even ridicule

Babatunde Raji Fashola ,the Minister of Power, is on record as saying

"Sango cannot produce 1Killowatt of electricity"

Imagine if anyone had said same about Allah or Mohammed. probably we would have recorded some deaths in Zamfara or Kano

It is all very well saying those who are violent are not "real" Muslims ,whatever that means.The reality is they do it in the name of Allah and are never caught ,punished and rarely condemned
No matter how strongly you hold your beliefs there are those who wil find them strange,absurd or even stupid. Thoe paying tithes have been called "Sheeple" yet no one has been separated fro their head. No one butchered or barbecued.
What then is it about Islam that makes it so violent that even the Daddy GO of Nairaland is petrified?

Islam has some soul searching to do

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@ OP great points raised.



But you have to consider so many different aspects.

Go to every Islamic topics and see the level of insults and lies been hurled about (by whom And why?).

Why is a crime committed by a Muslim tagged a religious or terrorist act.


While a Christian crime or fight is never labelled. ( latest case of a US church shooting by a Christian- its not even on nairaland)


I keep reading of people been forced to Islam or paid, they say this without proof and yet these are taken as the salient truth. They say Muslims fight without provocation (like the proverbial child who cries that he has been beaten and when asked why he was beaten, replies that he did nothing)



It is ironic how you have a debate on tithes which Muslims are quite conversant about and yet are allowed to have your debate in relative PEACE.



Can muslims be assured of that same relative PEACE when they have their debate or will they have to be on guard on every corner from WHO


I invite you to read comments on Muslim topics here on nairaland and see the level of HATE been directed at them. That will tell you who is not letting who have peace in real life.


I support #freethesheeple for both Christians and Muslims as we both have been ignorant too long of what our books truly say.

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@ OP great points raised.



But you have to consider so many different aspects.

Go to every Islamic topics and see the level of insults and lies been hurled about (by whom And why?)

Why is a crime committed by a Muslim tagged a religious or terrorist act.

While a Christian crime or fight is never labelled. ( latest case of a US church shooting by a Christian- its not even on nairaland)

I keep reading of people been forced to Islam or paid, they say this without proof and yet these are taken as the salient truth. They say Muslims fight without provocation (like the proverbial child who cries that he has been beaten and when asked why he was beaten, replies that he did nothing)

It is ironic how you have a debate on tithes which Muslims are quite conversant about and yet are allowed to have your debate in relative PEACE.

Can muslims be assured of that same relative PEACE when they have their debate or will they have to be on guard on every corner from WHO

I invite you to read comments on Muslim topics here on nairaland and see the level of HATE been directed at them. That will tell you who is not letting who have peace in real life.

I support #freethesheeple for both Christians and Muslims as we both have been ignorant too long of what our books truly say.

zionmde:

Are u telling me i can raise an argument in hausaland about mohammed being a prophet or not without looking for my head in a matter of minutes? Tell me more
Tell how much tolerance it is in islam as a whole. Tell me how tolerating it is for islam of the woman that lost her head in Kano.
Islam and tolerance is a no no
Those ones on nairaland are helpless, if they can murder people online i know how many people must have died. So mr islam, tell me how mohammed taught u guys that tolerance looks like

Humanistme:


Muslims do the same. they create anti Christian threads too.



terrorism is A form of psychological manipulation through warfare to the purpose of political or religious gains, by means of deliberately creating a climate of fear amongst the inhabitants of a specific geographical region.

so tell me how what the likes of shekau do is not terrorism. note it is different from a Muslim commites crime because of other reasons apart from religion.










there are Christian terrorists too. mind you the person who carried out the church massacre is not a Christian. he is atheist.



well there is ese oruru case and the latest 25 teenagers discovered in emir palace in Abuja





non Christians criticized pastors too during the debates





ideas can be criticized and that includes your religion. Christians, Catholics get bashed from left to right what makes your religion special?




you can ad well check Christian topics too you will see the same hate




I agree. all ideas including your religious or philosophical ideas are open to criticism.

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If you have a debate bring it on. We welcome people of sound minds anytime and if u go through my prior posts u will notice I welcome such.


But where you lack arguments and you resort to abuses and name calling That is the no go area. You will never find a Muslim insult the prophets or God. We can't even insult Jesus.



So if you can't respect other people's boundaries in a debate. You will always have issues with the others.

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If you have a debate bring it on. We welcome people of sound minds anytime and if u go through my prior posts u will notice I welcome such.


But where you lack arguments and you resort to abuses and name calling That is the no go area. You will never find a Muslim insult the prophets or God. We can't even insult Jesus.



So if you can't respect other people's boundaries in a debate. You will always have issues with the others.

zionmde:

That line u will never see a muslim insult Jesus bla bla bla bla is wat u should be telling people who dont truly know u guys. Now let me clear u, d jesus u muslims believe is not our Jesus. U dont insult ur jesus but u insult our Jesus. I have lived amongst muslims for a long time and i have heard unspeakable insults to our Jesus. The Jesus (of Christianity ) has no single relationship with jesus of islam, just as there is nothing in common between us both. So ur mohammed deserves no respect from me because to me the guy is from the devil the same way i dont require u to respect Jesus because the personality should mean nothing to u. Where tolerance comes to play is that i ignore ur insults to my beliefs and u ignore mine.
Can u tell me wat insult the woman who lost her head in kano dished out to mohammed, so even if she insulted him u are telling me she deserves to die and u still use the same mouth to tell me islam is tolerant. gerrrrout

Do u know wat a muslim use to threaten someone's life. this is th exact word "it only take allah ahkbar and u become a story"

Please if u know tolerance is not embedded in ur religion just close ur mouth and stop trying to defend rubbish. I guess chop chop square in saudi arabia is where tolerance is really taught
useless religion

aribisala0:


Who is the judge of what is an insult or name calling? Who is the complainant? Who is the Judge ? The Muslim beheader


Whenn you say Jesus is a Man and not God is that an Insult? Who is the Judge? By the Way I am not Christian


When you say that Yoruba deities like Ogun and Sango are idols is that an insult?


Kindly exlain what you mean by

NO GO AREA

Is that the area where your beheading becomes justified because it is not clear what you mean by NO GO AREA.


What options does a Muslim have when people cross into this NO GO AREA..

Because in other religions this so called NO GO AREA does not exist .If people are unhapy they have to follow the law but you seem to be saying for Muslims once you enter no go area anything goes/


Is that your position

The reality is there is a relative absurdity of many beliefs tothe next. To the Muslim the idea that there is one God makes sense but to the polytheist it is crazy. So even expressing your beliefs in public will be crossing a so called no go area.
The moment you say anything is an idol you are entering a no go area . What is an idol to you is God to another

Simple question for you.

When Fashola said Sango cannot generate 1Kw of electricity did he enter a no go area?

so how is it possible to live together in peace?

aribisala0:
But Fashola insulted Sango
Christians believe Jesus is God so when they say he is just a man is that an insult?

zionmde:

leave those people. Insult to mohammed is a no go area bla bla bla. That is the area where they term it necessary to behead the person and yet they come out to open their dirty mouth to shout tolerance. If a muslim in the north wants u dead, all he needs to shout is allah akbar and blasphemy then u become a history.

zionmde:

That line u will never see a muslim insult Jesus bla bla bla bla is wat u should be telling people who dont truly know u guys. Now let me clear u, d jesus u muslims believe is not our Jesus. U dont insult ur jesus but u insult our Jesus. I have lived amongst muslims for a long time and i have heard unspeakable insults to our Jesus. The Jesus (of Christianity ) has no single relationship with jesus of islam, just as there is nothing in common between us both. So ur mohammed deserves no respect from me because to me the guy is from the devil the same way i dont require u to respect Jesus because the personality should mean nothing to u. Where tolerance comes to play is that i ignore ur insults to my beliefs and u ignore mine.
Can u tell me wat insult the woman who lost her head in kano dished out to mohammed, so even if she insulted him u are telling me she deserves to die and u still use the same mouth to tell me islam is tolerant. gerrrrout

Do u know wat a muslim use to threaten someone's life. this is th exact word "it only take allah ahkbar and u become a story"

Please if u know tolerance is not embedded in ur religion just close ur mouth and stop trying to defend rubbish. I guess chop chop square in saudi arabia is where tolerance is really taught
useless religion

aribisala0:

Last year it was Igbo man refusing to fast.
It it aint one excuse its another.

They come in public repeating the idea that Jesus is just a man but do not think that is an insult to Christians.
My point is yes we can call Jesus a man but there is nothing like NO GO AREA. Anyone can say anything to DISPUTE your beliefs it they do not share them.

I can challenge whether or not there is God and I can challenge ANYTHING

aribisala0:

Last year it was Igbo man refusing to fast.

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Igbo man not fasting

Haba where do this stories come from

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Igbo man not fasting

Haba where do this stories come from

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And this is why we need to teach people about the books. Stop following your Alfa or pastor, they are not the law.


A Muslim cannot insult any of the prophets. And only a person of very limited knowledge will be saying our Jesus your Jesus. Some people even go ahead and differentiate our God your God. Some will abuse Allah and say his own his Yahweh.


God has a name in every language. In the bible the name Elah is synonymous with Allah. Technically all you just did is you just insulted .......


We really need to address this Hate that will not let us understand.



How many churches are in the North? Some Christians call God Allah in the North. How have this churches survived? Why was there an incident of conflict

These are the questions you should ask. An incident does not make a whole. A fight at Alaba does not mean Ibos are always troublesome. A fight at Mile12 does not mean hausa are always looking for trouble. You look for the cause of the conflict and address it while not ignoring that they've been coexisting peacefully for decades.

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@ OP great points raised.



But you have to consider so many different aspects.

Go to every Islamic topics and see the level of insults and lies been hurled about (by whom And why?).

Why is a crime committed by a Muslim tagged a religious or terrorist act.


While a Christian crime or fight is never labelled. ( latest case of a US church shooting by a Christian- its not even on nairaland)


I keep reading of people been forced to Islam or paid, they say this without proof and yet these are taken as the salient truth. They say Muslims fight without provocation (like the proverbial child who cries that he has been beaten and when asked why he was beaten, replies that he did nothing)



It is ironic how you have a debate on tithes which Muslims are quite conversant about and yet are allowed to have your debate in relative PEACE.



Can muslims be assured of that same relative PEACE when they have their debate or will they have to be on guard on every corner from WHO


I invite you to read comments on Muslim topics here on nairaland and see the level of HATE been directed at them. That will tell you who is not letting who have peace in real life.


I support #freethesheeple for both Christians and Muslims as we both have been ignorant too long of what our books truly say.

aribisala0:


No Christian will agree with you that Jesus is a prophet and you saying so is actually provocative and disrespectful

but you don't see it that way.

I understand because I am neither Christian nor Muslim though I have read the Quran and Bible and continue to do so.

Anyone who has read both books will know that Muhammad copied lot from the bible and adjusted it for political power

Now that is an opinion which may be offensive to Muslims but CANNOT be a no go area just as challenging the divinity of Jesus CANNOT be a no go area.

That is what this thread is about. There are many who believe Islam, Christianity or indeed all religion is fabricated and they should be allowed to speak without violence

aribisala0:
But Fashola insulted Sango
Christians believe Jesus is God so when they say he is just a man is that an insult?

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Like Freeze has done I will tell you Jesus is a prophet based on the bible.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they....." Was a prayer from Jesus to God.

"hear o Israel thy Lord God is one God" was what Jesus told the Israel.



"I am not sent but to .... Etc etc""


These are what a Muslim will tell you with no insult intended.


Now see what a Christian will reply when you ask for their proof:

Their prophet is a fornicator, raping small children (very baseless as records of age are not readily available, even Khadijah has a 20 year gap in her estimated age on wiki).

You are terrorist. Do you want to bomb ( bros we asked you a valid question you haven't answered)

Or abusing god who they think belong only to the Muslim because the name is in Arabic.




For me a clear difference between addressing an issue and attacking the person you are conferring with.....


Muslims are not disturbing the witches and wizards or the traditionalists. We know the people who will not let birds rest just because of their fear of the traditionalists.

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Then you direct your query to Fashola so named above. Muslims should not have to answer for everyone's spoken word or action.


Did he say that in the capacity of representing his religion?

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The trend on nairaland is atheists disrupt Christian threads and Christians disrupt Muslim threads.


Muslims know what the bible say: It's one of the books we believe in....... Muslims would rather challenge your tenets based on what the books say..... (e.g if Jesus prayed to God, how can Jesus be God)


But head on insults and hate speech...... We get that from the Atheists and Christians. ( e.g a man shows of his Muslim family- comments include terrorist, na so them they kill, for night them go de bomb).


I mean...............just help yourself to the many threads that show this sickening comments.






Modified: How did you get to the conclusion the killer was an atheist 26 people killed and no topic appeared. Killer's religion are rarely mentioned when they are Christian.

aribisala0:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/06/man-christian-stabbed-for-not-fasting/