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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by otr1(m): 5:10pm On Nov 11, 2017
petra1:


We are not tithing based on mosaic law . We tithe because it's it's a spiritual principle . Just like offering
You're quoting Mosaic laws here Brother, check again. If you're talking about the tithe of Abraham, well, that's a voluntary giving, not an obligation. I'm not against Christian giving ( which may even be higher your 10%), what I'm against is Pastors making it seem as if paying is the passport to heaven

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 6:11pm On Nov 11, 2017
petra1:


Tithes and offering to God are fraud?
Google it and tell me
Are the Jews who are descendants of Abraham still paying tithe till this day?

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Kenny4lyfe(m): 7:12pm On Nov 11, 2017
BluntBoy:

In this relationship, who is the King and who is the priest
1 Peter 2:9
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 7:17pm On Nov 11, 2017
petra1:


when dealing with insincere question wisdom has to be applied.

2 Timothy 2:23
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.


The word "wisdom" has been so misused and misapplied that it has become a cover-up for many things.

Now you're quoting a Bible passage to buttress your comment BUT when asked to provide same for your other positions you run away. You're applying "wisdom" I suppose.

The truth is that you have NO COGENT ANSWER to give but because you are not humble enough to admit your error you resort to gimmicks.

You know that many are reading this thread. Let's assume like you posit that posters are insincere why not for the sake of other readers provide answers and relevant portion of Scripture to back up your claim? Are you unwilling to let those SINCERE readers be given the right information?

Are you SINCERE when you claim that tithing is a "SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE" ?

If so where did the Bible say that, and very CLEARLY can you explain what is meant by "SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE"?

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 7:23pm On Nov 11, 2017
Kenny4lyfe:


1 Peter 2:9

Now, you have shot yourself in the foot. cool

If we are a royal priesthood, why should we pay tithes? Did Melchizedek (a royal priesthood) pay tithes?

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Kenny4lyfe(m): 8:06pm On Nov 11, 2017
BluntBoy:


Now, you have shot yourself in the foot. cool

If we are a royal priesthood, why should we pay tithes? Did Melchizedek (a royal priesthood) pay tithes?

I laugh in chinese.... grin

Its good you know that 'royal priesthood' refers to priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.


And I'm sure you're aware that Jesus Christ is our High Priest too. Ok


You, my friend are the one who shot yourself in the foot.


So, there is no need schooling you on tithing or why you should pay tithe because you knew about tithing and in fact you (and your fellows) had at one time or the other been tithing before.


Here is what happened,


Your types are the ones of whom it was written in Malachi 3:14


Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts?


You once tithed, you complained and then you tried to find reasons not to tithe and persuade others to do same.


Just like Apostle Suleiman said, 'there's no need arguing with a man who has already made up his mind.'


We know your type. Like others before you. I will only take you serious if you and your ilks start a ministry of antitithing, build congregations and sponsor missions.

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 8:50pm On Nov 11, 2017
Kenny4lyfe:


I laugh in chinese.... grin

Its good you know that 'royal priesthood' refers to priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.


And I'm sure you're aware that Jesus Christ is our High Priest too. Ok


You, my friend are the one who shot yourself in the foot.


So, there is no need schooling you on tithing or why you should pay tithe because you knew about tithing and in fact you (and your fellows) had at one time or the other been tithing before.


Here is what happened,


Your types are the ones of whom it was written in Malachi 3:14


Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts?


You once tithed, you complained and then you tried to find reasons not to tithe and persuade others to do same.


Just like Apostle Suleiman said, 'there's no need arguing with a man who has already made up his mind.'


We know your type. Like others before you. I will only take you serious if you and your ilks start a ministry of antitithing, build congregations and sponsor missions.

Smh.

In the OT, did priests pay tithes to high priests? It is a simple question.

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 9:08pm On Nov 11, 2017
babytoun:


Petra=gombs?

What does the second paragraph mean?

Petra isn't gombs.

What does the first paragraph mean to you?
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 9:11pm On Nov 11, 2017
betterABIAstate:
If you must tithe like Abraham, fight a war, win the war and give the tenth from the "proceed of the war" not your income


When Jacob gave his tithes was it Biafra war he fought or Eden war? undecided




I give my tithe of incomes... Comman beat me
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 9:23pm On Nov 11, 2017
That a thing is "Biblical" (if by that is meant it is in the Bible) DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean it is for the Christian.

That very many Christians don't seem to understand this shows how starved God's sheep have been.

The book of Hebrews is so CLEAR that the New Covenant Jesus Christ brought is DIFFERENT and SUPERIOR to every other system INCLUDING that which came through Moses - Judaism.

So, when Christians keep going back to the "old" to justify their emotional attachments to "works" for salvation or rewards it is simply very unfortunate.

When Christians CLOSE their eyes to how the early church conducted its affairs; including examples and instructions on giving and are running back to the old - whether pre-law or under the Law - it shows a generation with itching ears seeking only what will EXCITE them.

When Martin Luther objected to what the church was doing during his day (the 500th year of which we're celebrating this year 2017) and POINTED to the New Testament to show how the Church had deviated from the Word, many opposed him. How dare he "attack" the 'Men of God' who were working by 'Apostolic' authority.

That same scenario is here with us today!

Many will attack Christians who are using A SUPERIOR AUTHORITY - the Bible - to question man's positions on matters of doctrine. They have placed man at par with the Word of God, if not even on a higher level.

What brought about the first conference (COUNCIL) of the Church?

It this same issue of whether the "old" was required of the Christian or not.

And what the Holy Spirit's answer?

The Christian is excluded from the "old".

Therefore when today's Christian refuses to stand in the liberty into which Christ has set him free he only entangles himself with a yoke of bondage. A bondage that his "deliverance sessions" can never set him free from.

Any one who chooses to run his Christian life by EVEN one aspect of the "old" is under obligation and required to keep the whole of the "old". (GALATIANS 5:3). Infact such a one has been severed from Christ, who seeks to be in right standing with God through the "old" (and anything in it like TITHING), and has fallen from grace (GALATIANS 5:4).

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by betterABIAstate: 9:29pm On Nov 11, 2017
Gombs:



When Jacob gave his tithes was it Biafra war he fought or Eden war? undecided




I give my tithe of incomes... Comman beat me
it was not recorded whether Jacob gave the tithe or not, it was only recorded that he vowed to pay tithe sir.

It was pre mosaic anyways
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 9:36pm On Nov 11, 2017
OrnamentOne:
Nowhere was it mentioned that Jacob gave tithes of all.
He promised to do that, but we can't say categorically when he did it, or how he did it.
Or how do you think he gave his tithes?
Did Melchizedek appear again?
How did Jacob pay his tithes?

petra1:
Don’t capitalize on areas where details weren’t given .
We all know that Jacob fulfill the promise.
God even had to remind him and it’s on that account he left Laban
Haba petra1 c'mon now
SMH. I cant believe my eyes reading the above bolded
You got some "splainin" to do about where and when Jacob tithed (i.e. "Jacob fulfill the promise'')
together with "God even had to remind him"
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Justbright(m): 9:51pm On Nov 11, 2017
modelmike7:
Never heard of pastor's preached about 3 different types of tithes in churches sir.
TITHE TITHE TITHE is it.....
Which is a good thing depending on an individual. .
God loves a cheerful giver..
I love God.


Leave d slowpoke to continue to tell us say queen of england na oyibo.....ewu!
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by esere826: 9:55pm On Nov 11, 2017
Good OP petra1
I might not completely agree with you, but you did show yourself capable of applying some objective reasoning
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 10:21pm On Nov 11, 2017
esere826:
Good OP petra1
I might not completely agree with you,
but you did show yourself capable of applying some objective reasoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8
Watch Freeze being not silent
or neutral in today's Luke 11:42 21st century situations of injustice, unfairness and life devoid of the love of God
Freeze doesnt have a dog in the fight, so is more likely to be truly objective and impartial than OP
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Shally2: 10:59pm On Nov 11, 2017
Hmmmmm them down come with 3 types of tithe. Indioshi!
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 4:14am On Nov 12, 2017
paxonel:

Google it and tell me
Are the Jews who are descendants of Abraham still paying tithe till this day?

Are the Jews saved? Are you following Jews ? The Christians are the worshippers of God
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 4:14am On Nov 12, 2017
esere826:
Good OP petra1
I might not completely agree with you, but you did show yourself capable of applying some objective reasoning


Kindly explain
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 4:16am On Nov 12, 2017
MuttleyLaff:


Haba petra1 c'mon now
SMH. I cant believe my eyes reading the above bolded
You got some "splainin" to do about where and when Jacob tithed (i.e. "Jacob fulfill the promise'')
together with "God even had to remind him"

Are you saying Jacob didn't fulfill it. If you're saying it's not recorded it's different from he didn't do it

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:05am On Nov 12, 2017
betterABIAstate:
it was not recorded whether Jacob gave the tithe or not, it was only recorded that he vowed to pay tithe sir.

Jacob gave his tithe .

HE VOWED

Genesis 28:20-22
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

He probably forgot his vow. About 30 years later God reminded him . .

Genesis 31:13
I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

And commanded him to go and do his vow.

Genesis 35:1
And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

He began to fulfill the vow even on the way . By taken away idols from his family .

Genesis 35:3
Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went. And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

He did the Altimate at the altar

Genesis 35:6-7
So Jacob came to Luz, which is in the land of Canaan, that is, Bethel, he and all the people that were with him. And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:17am On Nov 12, 2017
otr1:

You're quoting Mosaic laws here Brother, check again. If you're talking about the tithe of Abraham, well, that's a voluntary giving, not an obligation. I'm not against Christian giving ( which may even be higher your 10%), what I'm against is Pastors making it seem as if paying is the passport to heaven

I was analyzing daddy freeze error. He dwell on an irrelevant tithe to deceive the people. As though that is what tithe was meant for. I'm not advocating for mosaic law. Just analyzing . We are not tithing based on maosaic law. Tithing existed 400 years before the law came . Tithes and offerings are eternal principles .
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:20am On Nov 12, 2017
BluntBoy:


Now, you have shot yourself in the foot. cool

If we are a royal priesthood, why should we pay tithes? Did Melchizedek (a royal priesthood) pay tithes?

Isreal was royal priesthood too and they paid tithes .

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:22am On Nov 12, 2017
PaChukwudi44:


Burnt offerings also predate the law.How come pastors are not preaching about burnt offerings today

Burnt offering was Sin offering. Jesus fulfilled that . But offering still exist and I believe you do give offering
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:27am On Nov 12, 2017
j
Osezua:

Finally, how did Abraham know to give TEN percent? Why not NINE or ELEVEN percent? This shows the divine origin of this principle and believers should allow the simplicity of the Gospel to fill their heart. The enemy is trying hard to sow a seed of confusion and many who had problem with Tithing or Pastors in the first place are latching on to the bait of the enemy to discredit a divine order. Let God be true…and every lying tongue is condemned. Praise God.

Nice insight . Thank you
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 5:28am On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:


Read my post . I explained . Tithe is a principle that's what counts . Our tithes are Abrahamic not mosaic
Let me quickly let you know who Abraham was in Gods sight incase you don't know

John 10:6-8, 10, 19 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

I'm taking time to explain this parable of Jesus because it's possible that you have read it before and you did not understand, including adeboye and oyedepo.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

All refers to all prophets and founders of all religions that came before christianity(the new covenant through Christ) was founded, these religions include Judaism(The Abrahamic covenant or the old covenant)

John 10:8 The thief(all religions that came before Jesus Christ including Abrahams covenant) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come( christianity has come) that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

SO YOU SEE NOW, ABRAHAM IS A THIEF, THEN HOW WILL YOU NOW BEGIN TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH A THIEF BY CLAIMING YOU ARE EMULATING ABRAHAM TITHE PAYING AS CHRISTIAN THIS MODERN-DAY WHEN JESUS HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE LEAST PERSON (you and me) IN GODS KINGDOM IS GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST INCLUDING ABRAHAM? ARE YOU NOT DEGADING YOURSELF LIKE THAT? REASON AM NOW

I'm very sure this is what Adeboye and oyedepo has failed to consider or they deliberately not bother to look into this, how will they when they are enjoying the tithe money?

Another thing they fail to see is, in that scripture the contention here is between christianity and other religions who came before christianity and not between God and Satan as today churches will put it. That the thief here refers to the devil.

If you look down to verse 19 see what happened after Jesus finished saying the parable

John10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

Who were the Jews?
They were defendants of Abraham who carried the old covenant as a result their religion was Judaism not christianity.
Remember Jesus told them at a time BEFORE ABRAHAM THEIR FATHER WAS, I AM, and they wanted to stone him. John 8:58

John 8:33
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

THE VERY DAY YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS TITHE THING THAT IS THE DAY YOU WILL BE FREE FROM IT.

And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free .

I give dangote as an example, he is a Muslim, how many tithe is he paying? Yet if combine the wealth of adeboye and oyedepo they will not reach half of his own.
And there are several other christians who have been paying tithe since,yet they are still living in abject poverty.
Obviously, what is giving fortune to tithe payers who comes out in church to testify is not tithe.
It is the work of their hands.

SO LETS ENCOURAGE HARDWORK AMONG CHURCH MEMBERS AND NOT SOME MONEY MIRACLE CALLED TITHE WHICH DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:31am On Nov 12, 2017
TI1919:
Galatians 3:7-9
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.



The funny thing about you and your tithe/offering collecting GO's is that you tried always to justify your useless way of life by quoting and using the scripture wrongly.

Jesus never justify himself in all his lifetime hear on earth

If you believe in the faith of Abraham why are you not giving to God .
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:36am On Nov 12, 2017
BluntBoy:
Petra1, why are you avoiding my questions? Wasn't it you who said you tithe the Abraham way?

You tithe the Abraham way (without compulsion)

You mentioned compulsion not me.


but emphasize the curses of Malachi on those who are not tithing.

I didn't either you did . We don't tithe on the basis of the law

Please, I need explanations.

Are the priesthood of your pastors the equal of that of Melchizedek?

Please, I need answers.

Yes. Jesus is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 5:38am On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:


Are the Jews saved? Are you following Jews ? The Christians are the worshippers of God
The Jews were the once paying tithe in the bible and you are saying you are following their abrahamic tithe and you are paying till this day, hence you are the one following them grin
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Mujtahida: 5:39am On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:


Read my post . I explained . Tithe is a principle that's what counts . Our tithes are Abrahamic not mosaic
Before Abraham was, I am - Jesus Christ.
You don't understand the book of Hebrews
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 5:42am On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:


You mentioned compulsion not me.




I didn't either you did . We don't tithe on the basis of the law



Yes. Jesus is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek
Mind you
In the order of Melchizedek
And not in Melchizedek
They are two different things

You can't be in Christ and be in Melchizedek at the same time.

Jesus says I'm the way
That implies he is the only way
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:56am On Nov 12, 2017
paxonel:


John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

All refers to all prophets and founders of all religions that came before christianity(the new covenant through Christ) was founded, these religions include Judaism(The Abrahamic [/b]covenant or the old covenant)
John 10:8 The thief(all religions that came before Jesus Christ including Abrahams covenant)
SO YOU SEE NOW, [b]ABRAHAM IS A THIEF, THEN HOW WILL YOU NOW BEGIN TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH A THIEF

New new covenant is a product under abrahamic covenant. Jesus is seed of Abraham , We are seed of Abraham . Your theology started already with "K leg. You can't call Abraham thief and robber. If you're not of Abraham you're not a Christian .

Galatians 3:9
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


Abraham has really suffered in the hand of antitithers . First They said he didn't tithe now he's a thief .

I give dangote as an example, he is a Muslim, how many tithe is he paying? Yet if combine the wealth of adeboye and oyedepo they will not reach half of his own.
And there are several other christians who have been paying tithe since,yet they are still living in abject poverty.
Obviously, what is giving fortune to tithe payers who comes out in church to testify is not tithe.
It is the work of their hands.

SO LETS ENCOURAGE HARDWORK AMONG CHURCH MEMBERS AND NOT SOME MONEY MIRACLE CALLED TITHE WHICH DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY

We give to God to worship him ,not to compete with Dangote. It is not what we have in the account that is prosperity but the impact of your personality in your world .

Luke 12:15
And he said unto them, for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:57am On Nov 12, 2017
paxonel:

The Jews were the once paying tithe in the bible and you are saying you are following their abrahamic tithe and you are paying till this day, hence you are the one following them grin

Was Abraham a Jew ?

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