Mujtahida:

Before Abraham was, I am - Jesus Christ.
You don't understand the book of Hebrews

paxonel:

Mind you
In the order of Melchizedek
And not in Melchizedek
They are two different things

You can't be in Christ and be in Melchizedek at the same time.

Jesus says I'm the way
That implies he is the only way

TheHotspur:


All this rubbish you wrote just to make front page abi

petra1:


You mentioned compulsion not me.




I didn't either you did . We don't tithe on the basis of the law



Yes. Jesus is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek

petra1:


Isreal was royal priesthood too and they paid tithes .

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

petra1:


There was Melchizedek order, then there was levitical order ,and now what we have is order of Melchizedek and Christ is our high priest

BluntBoy:


This is hilarious.

OK, I suspected you would deny tithing under compulsion just to justify tithing.

If you tithe the Abraham way, you must tithe properly. There was nowhere in the Bible where Abraham told his descendents to tithe as he did. His tithing was voluntary and as rich he was, there was never any evidence that he ever tithed out of his possessions before and after the Melchizedek episode.

If the Levitical priesthood (which needed tithe) has been replaced by the Melchizedek priesthood, shouldn't tithing not be a voluntary and personal thing, as done by Abraham?

BluntBoy:


You ignorantly took that verse out of context.


SMH.

petra1:


Was Abraham a Jew ?

petra1:


No you did . Peter was quoting from here

petra1:


I don't get you . Tithing is a necessity just like offering or prayers . If prayer is compulsory then likewise tithing . But I will rather use the word . Necessity .



Tithing is giving God 10% of what he has blessed you with. How you do it . Is between you and God . If it's daily monthly ,yearly or once in a life time .It's your choice to do it . It's your choice if you pray or it's your choice if you fast

There was a time men did know about prayer to a God. But in the days of Seth , the revelation of prayer and relationship with God came

Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Since then prayer has come to stay . In the days of Abraham tithing was revealed . And God trusted Abraham to transfer the knowledge of his revelation of God to his family and generation .

Genesis 18:19
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


God opens our understanding more and more to secrets and hidden mysteries of his kingdom from generation to generation. Why is it only tithe Satan is fighting , why not offering , why not prayer ,why not worship because there's something about the tithe. It's the smallest of our givings . People do give cars and land in church . But the tithe is Gods .




Jacob tithed based on the existing knowledge or worship . It's not personal .

petra1:


I don't get you . Tithing is a necessity just like offering or prayers . If prayer is compulsory then likewise tithing . But I will rather use the word . Necessity .



Tithing is giving God 10% of what he has blessed you with. How you do it . Is between you and God . If it's daily monthly ,yearly or once in a life time .It's your choice to do it . It's your choice if you pray or it's your choice if you fast

There was a time men did know about prayer to a God. But in the days of Seth , the revelation of prayer and relationship with God came

Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Since then prayer has come to stay . In the days of Abraham tithing was revealed . And God trusted Abraham to transfer the knowledge of his revelation of God to his family and generation .

Genesis 18:19
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


God opens our understanding more and more to secrets and hidden mysteries of his kingdom from generation to generation. Why is it only tithe Satan is fighting , why not offering , why not prayer ,why not worship because there's something about the tithe. It's the smallest of our givings . People do give cars and land in church . But the tithe is Gods .




Jacob tithed based on the existing knowledge or worship . It's not personal .

BluntBoy:


Show me the verse where Jacob tithed?

BluntBoy:


The New Covenant emphasizes an unfixed amount of donations.

petra1:


Genesis 35:6-7
So Jacob came to Luz, which is in the land of Canaan, that is, Bethel, he and all the people that were with him. And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother.

petra1:


New new covenant is a product under abrahamic covenant. Jesus is seed of Abraham , We are seed of Abraham . Your theology started already with "K leg. You can't call Abraham thief and robber. If you're not of Abraham you're not a Christian .

Galatians 3:9
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


Abraham has really suffered in the hand of antitithers . First They said he didn't tithe now he's a thief .



We give to God to worship him ,not to compete with Dangote. It is not what we have in the account that is prosperity but the impact of your personality in your world .

Luke 12:15
And he said unto them, for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

petra1:


Where in the Bible

petra1:


I was analyzing daddy freeze error. He dwell on an irrelevant tithe to deceive the people. As though that is what tithe was meant for. I'm not advocating for mosaic law. Just analyzing . We are not tithing based on maosaic law. Tithing existed 400 years before the law came . Tithes and offerings are eternal principles .

betterABIAstate:
it was not recorded whether Jacob gave the tithe or not, it was only recorded that he vowed to pay tithe sir.

It was pre mosaic anyways

Gombs:



Question is, was the tithe of war? Did he fight a war? Or we should assume he fought one?


Are you saying Jacob didn't fulfill his vow?

Wilgrea7:
there were three kinds of tithes... and none was meant for Christians

betterABIAstate:
he fought a battle to rescue lot, his newphew.

Jacob fulfilling his vow doesn't matter as he only also tithes once, as a vow not compulsory because it wasn't a law as at then, Jacob didn't tithe all his life

petra1:


It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid . But in truth there is a provision under the law to use a tithe for feast and eating .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

ludot:


Lol ... the tithe Christians pay dates back to Abraham.

Genesis 14:

18. Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (Now he was the priest of the Most High God.) 19 He blessed Abram, saying, “Blessed be Abram by the Most High God, Creator of heaven and earth. 20 Worthy of praise is the Most High God, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything.

How come pastors don't bring wine and bread to church and give to those that tithe?

petra1:


It's laughable...

Gombs:


Uncle, that was Abraham not Jacob. Jacob didn't fight a war... At least I'm yet to see that in the Bible.




Lies

You can't say he tithed once just because it was recorded once. It's like saying Jesus only attended one wedding, just because only one of his attendance was recorded.

Question is, How did Jacob know about tithing? His father must have taught him (God bore testimony that Abraham will command his house to do His will) ...but you don't see where it's recorded that Isaac gave tithe. Does that mean Isaac did not tithe? Did Abraham not teach him that?where did Jacob get that knowledge? There was no books of record or diary. How did Abraham's grandson know about giving a tenth to God?

Don't say Jacob didn't tithe all his life. If you say so, then Jesus didn't bathe all his life.

Why? Because it wasn't recorded?

mank1234:

Which of the three types do we do in church? Why don't we do the others?

My understanding of the new testament is to give willingly as the heart leads not by percentage and not necessarily to your place of worship.

paxonel:

The Jews were his decendants atleast you can't deny that one

BluntBoy:
This is hilarious.

BluntBoy:
OK, I suspected you would deny tithing under compulsion just to justify tithing

BluntBoy:
If you tithe the Abraham way, you must tithe properly

BluntBoy:
There was nowhere in the Bible where Abraham told his descendents to tithe as he did.
His tithing was voluntary
and as rich he was, there was never any evidence that he ever tithed out of his possessions before and after the Melchizedek episode.

BluntBoy:
If the Levitical priesthood (which needed tithe) has been replaced by the Melchizedek priesthood, shouldn't tithing not be a voluntary and personal thing, as done by Abraham?

Gombs:
Uncle, that was Abraham not Jacob. Jacob didn't fight a war...
At least I'm yet to see that in the Bible

Gombs:
Question is, How did Jacob know about tithing?

Gombs:
His father must have taught him (God bore testimony that Abraham will command his house to do His will) ..
but you don't see where it's recorded that Isaac gave tithe.
Does that mean Isaac did not tithe?
Did Abraham not teach him that?
where did Jacob get that knowledge?
There was no books of record or diary.
How did Abraham's grandson know about giving a tenth to God?

Gombs:
Don't say Jacob didn't tithe all his life.
If you say so, then Jesus didn't bathe all his life.

Why? Because it wasn't recorded?

Gombs:



How come pastors don't bring wine (alcohol) to people's weddings? Jesus afterall turned water into wine?


But... Bro, that bread and wine is symbolic na. Remember what the Bible said about the man in the book of Hebrews? Study your Bible