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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovich: 10:42am On Nov 12, 2017
Humility017:

I pray they call them all....including ejaria and give them each at least one cap...

few years from now...we will see how it ends.

because this English policy will ruin the international future of some of this kids...
some will and up not enjoying their football in the international level
any way I wish them all the best.....after all we have talents everywhere including Germany,Belgium etc
they are still very young and can still have long term future with England. the truth is that solanke would never accept a call up from Nigeria. I wish him all the best with his England career

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 10:44am On Nov 12, 2017
Then sorry sir, you still can't comprehend what pressing means. When you constantly put defenders to work to the point of committing fouls against you, that's what it means to press. And yes foul stats against you is the best way to rate that coupled with attempts at goal, numbers of take ons etc
SerVik:

No offense but do you even know what it means to press? Seems you're arguing with a wrong notion.

How can you use foul stats to prove that one presses? How do you draw fouls when you are not even with the ball?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 10:55am On Nov 12, 2017
somehow:
Then sorry sir, you still can't comprehend what pressing means. When you constantly put defenders to work to the point of committing fouls against you, that's what it means to press. And yes foul stats against you is the best way to rate that coupled with attempts at goal, numbers of take ons etc
Well, what do I know? I'll seriously like to learn a thing or two from you. Pressing I know is a defensive tactic, please correct me if I'm off the mark, and please do it with hard facts.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:09am On Nov 12, 2017
@ bolded grin


Humility017:

I don't think he hates Tammy....I watched bit of the match too....
he wasn't imposing and the play was barely average....
players like loftus cheek, tipper and co played better....Germany would have won that match....

from all I could see....I think he may likely not make Southgate world cup sqaud..
moreover if the coach and the FA are really serious....England can likely win the next world cup in Russia....
or better still Qatar 2022...
if only they can translate the progress of their youth teams to their main national team

I dont see Germany winning....next world cup....
to me....Spain, England, belguim (though the coach tactics still a suspect of which they can flop against a highly tactical south America side) and Brazil....winning it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by isan(m): 11:09am On Nov 12, 2017
Bro there is competition Aina will battle Shehu for that right back slot Aina is a natural right back
Icon4s:


There is no competition at RB. Shehu it is.

Where there is competition is LB. Echiejile and Aina. I cannot throw Idowu into the picture yet because I have not seen him play.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:15am On Nov 12, 2017
Does Rohr also earn your respect for not calling him subsequently, after running the rule over him?

TheGoodJoe:


30th March. What carried you there?

By the way, with Rohr having Oshaniwa in camp, playing him in a scrimmage game with the Super Eagles, Rohr earned my respect.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:18am On Nov 12, 2017
Oga, Aina is ahead of Echiejile AT THE MOMENT (since he debuted)
somehow:
But my comment didn't say you did or you read wrongly?

And no, he wasn't head and shoulders above Elderson two days ago, not passing any judgement yet until he plays full time on a decent pitch.

Calling this performance head and shoulders above Elderson is an insult to all the years Elderson gave the NT bar recent form.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:27am On Nov 12, 2017
Lol, just because someone scored does not necessarily mean they had a great game overall. I gave him a 7.5, because even statistical sites will award quite a number of points for goals scored. And it was a ver good goal. Besides his goal, I would have given him a 6.5. He raised his game in the second half. Kwese gave Ogu a 9, Etebo a 7, and Ndidi an 8. Are you kidding me? That's like telling anyone who didn't watch the game, we controlled the midfield pretty well. Our midfield play was average, if not below par. I still put the blame on the pitch. But let's say it as it is.

His splendid goal could easily make most people give him the MOTM, especially considering that was the only legit goal of the game. simple logic

TheGoodJoe:


I have seen four sites giving Ogu man of the match and you feel they are all fools. I and some on the thread hinted it before the ratings. He was our best on the field. I actually watched the game with a former Sharks FC player. He even hinted Ogu was going to score.

The goal was just a testament of his good play.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 11:34am On Nov 12, 2017
I thought we are talking about strikers here? Oh so you mean Iheanacho press more than Ighalo when it comes to winning back the back (defending?)
SerVik:

Well, what do I know? I'll seriously like to learn a thing or two from you. Pressing I know is a defensive tactic, please correct me if I'm off the mark, and please do it with hard facts.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 11:35am On Nov 12, 2017
Well we see differently sir.
Joebie:
Oga, Aina is ahead of Echiejile AT THE MOMENT (since he debuted)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 11:43am On Nov 12, 2017
somehow:
Ok brother, we just have to make use of what we have now. We have time to bring in backup for sensitive positions for now.

Salisu isn't a bad coach though, what he if suggested players but never looked into?

I just need a backup or confirmed leg for LB incase Elderson become worse off. Aina and one more leg needed.

As for mikel position, it's very needed o. Thank God I'm not the only one worried about the lack of a true replacement in the current squad.

One more thing, what if Enyeama doesn't improve or get to play regularly? What happens to our GK postition? Yes Akpeyi as 1st choice or promote Uzohor to first choice? Ezenwa is a no-no when it comes to first choice. Is that plateau United gk worse than what we have currently?
we have never had the best in the domestic league being called as 2nd or 3rd chioce goal keepers for the national team...the case of agbim still fresh in our memory the best goalkeepers in the domestic scene are always bypassed for less ones....

ezenwa is not the best we have in the domestic scene not even first chioce for his club side......but how he kept getting national call ups baffles me...

that plateau United goal keeper is way better and a better ball playing goal keeper....

I think the likes of alampasu and uzoho should be tried...and let see what they have to offer...

I am not in support of keeping them in the bench...same thing keshi did no one ever thought akpeyi was better than agbim...
not not until his full debut against south Africa....

I think them all should be given a chance...I have a deep feeling that either of ajiboye,uzoho or alampasu could just steal the show.....

regarding Mikel's replacement....I don't there will be any...for now. same vacuum we had after okocha and kanu retirement we will have when Mikel retires....
until we have a player who will emerge with his own style and skills...

so unfortunate...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 11:49am On Nov 12, 2017
Danielnino00:
Do you think the Ndidi-Onazi-Mikel midfield combo should be Rohr first choice in Russia??
If not, who would u rather like to see in the midfield??





CC: Joebie,Thegoodjoe,Safarigirl Forgiveness, Icon4s icon79 komekn tbaba1234 Mickeal2 Mujithda, soetanoreoluwa and other distinguished members of the thread...
If Joel Obi can stay fit till the WC, I'd like to see him play ahead of either Ndidi or Onazi. I really think he can break into our first 11.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 11:53am On Nov 12, 2017
Karlovich:
they are still very young and can still have long term future with England. the truth is that solanke would never accept a call up from Nigeria. I wish him all the best with his England career
you mean England will integrate all of them...ejaria,lookman,Tammy,ojo,edun,solanke,ndukwe,bashiru etc

it is impossible...you're talking as if you dont know England...they will drop this players as soon as they get their full national who plays in same par or better than them.....
moreover they have their own nationals too who are also playing well....
so the competition gonna be strong...

to be of dual nationality and still make up the first 11 in the 3 lions squad you must be exceptional good.....someone like alli who they don't have replacement for.....


but I really fear for many of them....just imagine aluko case with the coach who made a racist remark on her....no one ever thought such could evolve from a civilized country like England...

they still see those guys as partly Nigeria...even though they all claim to be British.....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 12:01pm On Nov 12, 2017
Ekong is definitely the most improved Nigerian player in that match against the North Africans. His pace and timings put the opposing strikers in check and his passes were not sloppy as was the case before.

Now, I am thinking an improved Ekong with our defense general,Balogun ,back to his best .....shiiiit, Phyno said OBAGO!

The understanding in our central defense is almost telepathic. For me, our defense is ready.
Midfield is inches away from getting there but our biggest worry is the attack.

Without Ighalo we don't have a ready and trusted top 9 and this is reason why I believe Kayode should be given more chances. Iheanacho is not point man and you should have sense it against Algeria. He is better off as a SS . Nwakaeme is nowhere close to what we want our top 9 to play like.

Moses Simon need to be very worried...Daalu nu.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovich: 12:10pm On Nov 12, 2017
Humility017:

you mean England will integrate all of them...ejaria,lookman,Tammy,ojo,edun,solanke,ndukwe,bashiru etc

it is impossible...you're talking as if you dont know England...they will drop this players as soon as they get their full national who plays in same par or better than them.....
moreover they have their own nationals too who are also playing well....
so the competition gonna be strong...

to be of dual nationality and still make up the first 11 in the 3 lions squad you must be exceptional good.....someone like alli who they don't have replacement for.....


but I really fear for many of them....just imagine aluko case with the coach who made a racist remark on her....no one ever thought such could evolve from a civilized country like England...

they still see those guys as partly Nigeria...even though they all claim to be British.....


not all of them will play for England at Senior level. but at the same time deciding to play for Nigeria still doesn't guarantee a million caps with the eagles if they continue to improve england will always call them up.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 12:15pm On Nov 12, 2017
Chei, I feel you.
Humility017:

we have never had the best in the domestic league being called as 2nd or 3rd chioce goal keepers for the national team...the case of agbim still fresh in our memory the best goalkeepers in the domestic scene are always bypassed for less ones....

ezenwa is not the best we have in the domestic scene not even first chioce for his club side......but how he kept getting national call ups baffles me...

that plateau United goal keeper is way better and a better ball playing goal keeper....

I think the likes of alampasu and uzoho should be tried...and let see what they have to offer...

I am not in support of keeping them in the bench...same thing keshi did no one ever thought akpeyi was better than agbim...
not not until his full debut against south Africa....

I think them all should be given a chance...I have a deep feeling that either of ajiboye,uzoho or alampasu could just steal the show.....

regarding Mikel's replacement....I don't there will be any...for now. same vacuum we had after okocha and kanu retirement we will have when Mikel retires....
until we have a player who will emerge with his own style and skills...

so unfortunate...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 12:19pm On Nov 12, 2017
Joebie:
@ bolded grin

what happened to the bolded
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:22pm On Nov 12, 2017
Confirmed : Score Nigeria Scores A Bull's Eye As Brian Idowu Links Up With Eagles
Published: November 12, 2017



Allnigeriasoccer.com can confirm that Amkar Perm defender Brian Idowu has linked up with the Nigerian national team at their get-together in Krasnodar, as first reported by scorenigeria.com.ng.

The Afro-Russian is in line to make his first appearance for the three-time African champions when they take on Argentina on Tuesday, November 14.

The Nigeria Football Federation informed through the social networks on Sunday morning, '' Russia based Bryan Idowu( @idovubryan) has joined up with the rest of the squad in Krasnodar ahead of Tuesday’s friendly vs Argentina.

''He is very happy to be here #SoarSuperEagles.''

Idowu was born in St. Petersburg, Russia to a Nigerian father, while his mom is half-Russian, half-Nigerian from Imo State.

The 25-year-old is very versatile and can operate at left back, left midfield, central defense and right back.

--ANS

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:35pm On Nov 12, 2017
Joebie:
Confirmed : Score Nigeria Scores A Bull's Eye As Brian Idowu Links Up With Eagles
Published: November 12, 2017



Allnigeriasoccer.com can confirm that Amkar Perm defender Brian Idowu has linked up with the Nigerian national team at their get-together in Krasnodar, as first reported by scorenigeria.com.ng.

The Afro-Russian is in line to make his first appearance for the three-time African champions when they take on Argentina on Tuesday, November 14.

The Nigeria Football Federation informed through the social networks on Sunday morning, '' Russia based Bryan Idowu( @idovubryan) has joined up with the rest of the squad in Krasnodar ahead of Tuesday’s friendly vs Argentina.

''He is very happy to be here #SoarSuperEagles.''

Idowu was born in St. Petersburg, Russia to a Nigerian father, while his mom is half-Russian, half-Nigerian from Imo State.

The 25-year-old is very versatile and can operate at left back, left midfield, central defense and right back.

--ANS

Very versatile, wow, na only goalie position remain o. That's a player Mourinho doesn't like, prefers specialists. I belong to the old school and I have never forgotten the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none". Fingers crossed let's hope he comes out good.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:43pm On Nov 12, 2017
The question is how did Enyeama who was barely experienced on the international level and got thrown into the deep end at the World Cup in 2002 do it? Is it the good enough, old enough thing that triumphed that day?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:45pm On Nov 12, 2017
Icon4s:


There is no competition at RB. Shehu it is.

Where there is competition is LB. Echiejile and Aina. I cannot throw Idowu into the picture yet because I have not seen him play.

Idowu, Aina and Ebuehi can play RB. That competition is a contrbuting factor to Shehu's play, i believe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 12:46pm On Nov 12, 2017
somehow:
I thought we are talking about strikers here? Oh so you mean Iheanacho press more than Ighalo when it comes to winning back the back (defending?)
That is what pressing means. When thegoodjoe said Iheanacho presses more than Ighalo, that was what he meant. When I reaffirmed that assertion, that's what I meant. If your coach instructs you to press, that's what he means.

The issue here is just semantics. Your confusion boils from the scenario where one team has a higher possession and we say the team pressed the other.

Truth is, pressing is putting pressure on the opposition with the aim of winning the ball. When guardiola was in Barcelona, we had what was called the 6seconds rule. Everyplayer is expected to win the ball back 6seconds after loosing it. This is a highly tactical high octane play.

Another example is klopp with Dortmund and Liverpool. Those are farfetched examples sef, let's come home. Look at siasia's team at the olympics, take special interest in the first game and you'll see the high pressing approach siasia employed.

A highly possessive side must press. It is the only way to retain possession and prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. At the moment, Ighalo doesn't help in that regard.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:48pm On Nov 12, 2017
Mujtahida:
The question is how did Enyeama who was barely experienced on the international level and got thrown into the deep end at the World Cup in 2002 do it? Is it the good enough, old enough thing that triumphed that day?

He was hardly tested that day. He had one major save against scholes, that was about it. Since then, Enyeana has improved a lot. I remember he was poor with crosses and penalties. He improved that side of his game drastically.

Many home based keepers are at the beginning poor with crosses, i wonder why that is.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:49pm On Nov 12, 2017
As a nation, the much I know about our football history tells me that we've never been lacking in the goalkeeping department but I don't understand how we are having this problem since Ikeme became sick.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:51pm On Nov 12, 2017
tbaba1234:


He was hardly tested that day. He had one major save against scholes, that was about it. Since then, Enyeana has improved a lot. I remember he was poor with crosses and penalties. He improved that side of his game drastically.

Many home based keepers are at the beginning poor with crosses, i wonder why that is.
On this crosses thing, somebody pointed it out on another forum and laid the blame on our coaches. But I am surprised that Ezenwa couldn't deal with crosses in Constantine cos that was what stood out for me in his match against Cameroon. He was clean with crosses that day. What happened now
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:53pm On Nov 12, 2017
Brian Idowu plays LB more regularly than Aina at club level. He is also older and more experienced. He could be a real asset. I am more worried for Ebuehi.

Aina and Ebuehi are very comfortable with their left foot.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:53pm On Nov 12, 2017
SerVik:

That is what pressing means. When thegoodjoe said Iheanacho presses more than Ighalo, that was what he meant. When I reaffirmed that assertion, that's what I meant. If your coach instructs you to press, that's what he means.

The issue here is just semantics. Your confusion boils from the scenario where one team has a higher possession and we say the team pressed the other.

Truth is pressing is putting pressure on the opposition with the aim of winning the ball. When guardiola was in Barcelona, we had what was called the 6seconds rule. Everyplayer is expected to win the ball back 6seconds after loosing it. This is a highly tactical high octane play.

Another example is klopp with Dortmund and Liverpool. Those are farfetched examples sef, let's come home. Look at siasia's team at the olympics, take special interest in the first game and you'll see the high pressing approach siasia employed.

A highly possessive side must press. It is the only way to to retain possession and prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. At the moment, Ighalo doesn't help in that regard.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:54pm On Nov 12, 2017
SerVik:

That is what pressing means. When thegoodjoe said Iheanacho presses more than Ighalo, that was what he meant. When I reaffirmed that assertion, that's what I meant. If your coach instructs you to press, that's what he means.

The issue here is just semantics. Your confusion boils from the scenario where one team has a higher possession and we say the team pressed the other.

Truth is pressing is putting pressure on the opposition with the aim of winning the ball. When guardiola was in Barcelona, we had what was called the 6seconds rule. Everyplayer is expected to win the ball back 6seconds after loosing it. This is a highly tactical high octane play.

Another example is klopp with Dortmund and Liverpool. Those are farfetched examples sef, let's come home. Look at siasia's team at the olympics, take special interest in the first game and you'll see the high pressing approach siasia employed.

A highly possessive side must press. It is the only way to to retain possession and prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. At the moment, Ighalo doesn't help in that regard.


to put it in a simpler term, pressing draws errors, me I don't know where that foul stuff comes from. Opponents impede you when you are with the ball but you press without the ball, no semblance there(hope I fell in well)

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 12:57pm On Nov 12, 2017
Mickael2:



to put it in a simpler term, pressing draws errors, me I don't know where that foul stuff comes from. Opponents impede you when you are with the ball but you press without the ball, no semblance there(hope I fell in well)
Exactly.

Cc:somehow
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:00pm On Nov 12, 2017
Mujtahida:
As a nation, the much I know about our football history tells me that we've never been lacking in the goalkeeping department but I don't understand how we are having this problem since Ikeme became sick.
I agree with you to a large extent. Dodo Mayana is homegrown. Alloy Agu moved from being home based in 1990 to foreign based just cos of his performance which improved as the competition progressed. Same can be said of Ike Anobi and even Joe Dosu before the freak accident. Just as was pointed out in the days of Agbim, we may not be putting forward our best home based goalies. For that I wouldn't know why.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:01pm On Nov 12, 2017
somehow:
Please guys, how many natural LB and RB do we have in camp?

Also apart from Mikel and maybe a makeshift Iwobi, who can play the creative/attacking midfielding position for us currently in camp?
We are clearly lacking creativity. We need more creative players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:02pm On Nov 12, 2017
Mujtahida:

On this crosses thing, somebody pointed it out on another forum and laid the blame on our coaches. But I am surprised that Ezenwa couldn't deal with crosses in Constantine cos that was what stood out for me in his match against Cameroon. He clean with crosses that day. What happened now

Actually, that was one of the reasons, i prefered him to Akpeyi. At least, he could catch crosses.

I think coaching has a lot to do with keeping. Our keepers lack the foundational knowledge and depend on natural ability. I remember watching Ezenwa during the NPFL tour of spain and noticing all kinds of basic errors. In the 90s, our best keepers kept abroad. Enyeama improved a lot when he went abroad and started working on his weaknesses. Also, Enyeama was fairly young and could learn new things.

Uzoho appears to have good foundations from Aspire academy straight to Deportivo but too young. It takes a bold coach to start him.

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