joshnes:
lovingJehovah you didn't answer me oh, you explained yourself without even giving an answer. Is the "us" there "God"? God is a spirit, man himself is a spirit, this body is a mere container of the spirit, when the spirit leaves, death occurs (James 2:26). I don't expect an atheist to understand anything about creation, except the Spirit of God helps him to. Do you agree Jesus is The Mighty God? Please answer my questions with a "yes" or with a "no".

Ferisidowu:
wow that means there are gods together with God

Jacksonville:
The bible is complete, did I dispute that? ... Do you know that it was through revelations the apostles and prophets wrote them? Do you know that Paul was well learned in the Law and teachings of Christ, but why did he emphasize on revelations? We have the Holy Spirit to give us this revelations of Christ in our time. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will come to teach us all truth. If I may ask, what is this truth that we don't have yet? It's not my words but the Jesus's...

John16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth : for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

@The emboldened the Holy Spirit will speak to us... Isn't that a revelation? Or Jesus didn't mean it.. He will show us.. What is there to show us if we don't know it already?
2Corinthians 12:1 it is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.


Same Paul an apostle of Christ prayed for the Church of Ephesus for God's spirit to be poured upon his people in wisdom and revelatory knowledge of him so they can serve him better.... Without this spiritual aid you will serve God like the people of the law who served because it was like a duty or custom.. But in revelation you serve because you have a personal relationship with him. He speaks and you hear him. (John10:27) " My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me"

Ephesians 1:16-17.
16.Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
[17] That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

I'm not mincing words here... It's the scripture..

Galatians 1:11-12.
11.But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Take note of the emboldened. He didn't say doctrine but revelations of Christ... It's scriptural..
God is not a one pattern God he works in dimensions you can't fathom. When I said one doctrine I know what I meant. There are spirits that are not of God roaming about indoctrinating the body with false teachings... The spirit of God comes to unite and not divide.

God doesn't lie. So when a denomination says "communion is not good" but another says "it is. We do it in remembrance of Christ as the Lord commands" etc .. Now tell me, who is deceiving who, is it the spirit of God? The spirit of God is one and true, it doesn't divide, confuses or segregates...

That verse john 16:13 is a prophecy about the coming of the last prophet. Muhammad( pbuh). What he hear he shall say.. And Guide u to the teaching of God..pls learn about Islam. It might do u good. FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

lovingJehovah:
Asking for a 'yes' or 'no' response is not a good way to handle the word of God. One of the reasons is that people would come up with bait questions to clench the Bible's viewpoint in a gorge. Jesus as our exemplary proved a way of reasoning, reference to the written words and illustration to be very effective. You know very well, JW do not dwell on questions in that form but we always try to source the Bible's viewpoint. I have answered these questions before but you seem to be gunning for something and I know the target.

Is the "us" there "God"?
The Bible never said that the "us" was God. The Bible says that God said, "let us".

man himself is a spirit,
The Bible never said the above. Neither does James 2:26 corroborate that.

[b]The [/b]Mighty God
Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus mighty God but didn't use the article "The" as above.

SAVIOURJESUS:
@ op
you said Jesus is a God and not God.what is the difference?
how many Gods do we now have?
Is Jesus a true God or a false God?
give straight answers.

SAVIOURJESUS:
Loving God attend to this question.

Ferisidowu:
OK but you didn't answer my question. (the one I asked at the end of the post you mentioned)

SAVIOURJESUS:
Loving God attend to this question. you said Jesus is a God and not God. what is the difference?
how many Gods do we now have?
Is Jesus a true God or a false God?
give straight answers.

achorladey:

Sorry for not attending to your post earlier, but I am happy lovingjehovah had given you insight into some of the things you seek clarification for. I found it interesting that the Op's last response to some of your questions centred on the word "begotten". That word is contained in the my response to your post initially(John 3:16). Bible verses and pages needed not to be abused. Making very good use of one or two can give us a better understanding of what we seek. The new question now is Jesus a begotten god or not? If we are to take into consideration Isaiah 9:6 as well don't the word a "for unto us a child is born" that sense of begotten is highlighted here as well.

lovingJehovah:
The Bible does not cause any confusion. The confusion stems from the Devil. There are many heretics teaching falsehood about God and they have spread the falsehood around the world for centuries.
John 17:3 Jesus himself referred to his father as the ONLY TRUE GOD.
Let me put it this way. if I meet you in person and you tell me about your family. In your words, you confess to me that your father is the man of the house. Then, I go about telling people that you are also the man of the house because you are a male child. That would be disrespectful to your father if he gets to hear such stories spread about in the city because he birthed and provides for you. He gave you authority over his property and business. That does not equal you to your father. You remain a son and not a coequal.
The truth is, Jesus in John 20:17 told everyone who has access to read or hear the Bible's message that Jehovah is his father and God. He proceeded by saying that the same God (that he called God to anyone who reads and hears the words that he spoke) is his(Jesus') God in turn. Fast-forward about 2000 years after, people are spreading falsehood that Jesus lied to us. That he(Jesus) is the man that he(Jesus) called his God while he was with them. that is it the same person and also a coequal. Is it logical for someone to be your God and at the same time be your father and your coequal? It would have been an expensive prank to play.
God is not a God of confusion. The idea is they are trying too hard to co-equalise God and Jesus. I guarantee you that it doesn't end there. If you fall for that, remember that another entity is on the line to be co-equaled. We are only talking about God and Jesus here and you can imagine the controversy and outright rejection of Jesus' words by people who claim that Jesus is their God. There is a dogma of the godhead and as soon as they whoosh you by co-equaling God and Jesus, the holy spirit becomes another God that must be added to complete that doctrine.
This is very unbiblical. The Bible clearly states in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that there are other gods but "to us" there is only one God, Jehovah, and one Lord, Jesus. You may wonder, when the Bible says "to us", do these people arguing to deify Jesus fall under "to us" or not?
Jehovah is THE ONLY TRUE GOD - Jesus words in John 17:3
Jesus is our Lord and mediator - 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5

olamkas:

I want to digress a little from the main topic on purpose, my question to you or anybody now is,in which hour was Jesus crucified?

achorladey:

I am tempted to say this, how I wish you can forward this same question to Jesus who said this in John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
When Jesus made this statement, did he see himself as a liar or speaking the truth?
And...... Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Jesus must be in the best possible place to answer this question. What a question Looooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAVIOURJESUS:
u quoted me without answering my questions.I should forward it to Jesus, is that the best you can do? If you can't answer the question why did you quote me? Of cause you can't answer the question because it exposes you. By God's grace I am ready for you jws

saintmark88:


“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Give ur life to Jesus, u children of Satan.... U worship in d synagogue of satan. You are the ones Jesus is referring to here. You have denied the name of Jesus and reduced his power by comparing him to mere mortal men.....shame on you!!!!!!!......

author=lovingJehovah post=62296943]Thank you for the honor to answer these questions from your perspicacious mind.
The Bible made it clear that anything can be a god. Whatever you give your mind and devotion to becomes your god Philippians 3:19.

Jesus was a far superior spirit creature before stooping to the low class by becoming a man. If Jesus wanted to be worshipped as a God, he would have had it all. But, no! Jesus said in Matthew 4:10 It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone' you must render sacred service']

i]you said Jesus is a God and not God.what is the difference?[/i]
I did not say but the Bible clearly says in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 "there are 'gods'...yet 'to us' there is one God the Father..

Are you a part of the 'us' mentioned above?

Jesus is called mighty God but there is one called "The" ALmighty God. There is always a God placed above Jesus. Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus was created by Jehovah. Jehovah was never created by anyone but he is the sovereign of the universe. 1 Corinthians 11:3 says that God is the head of Jesus. Jesus himself said that Jehovah is greater than him John 14:28

In furtherance, Jesus himself called Jehovah the only true God in John 17:3. It is not my word. You may say Jesus said in the Bible...

Moreover, 1 Timothy 2:5 says For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

To muffle the controversy and heresy that abound today, Jesus said the words in John 20:17 ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
The above was Jesus speaking the words from his own mouth.

Will you accept his word above heretics and philosophers? Does he deserve the doubt and questioning for telling us who truly our God is?

It does not matter what you have been told for years, what matters is the truth. The truth can only be found in the Bible. Anyone giving you a straight answer without referencing you to the Bible might be leading you astray with empty words of mouth.

A child's heart becomes edgy as soon as he hears that there is another man who is his biological father even though he had been lied to all his life and he goes out in search of him to have a closure.

Do you feel edgy to know the true God, Jehovah?

SAVIOURJESUS:
out of point.
Is Jesus a true God or a false god.

@ bold were did you get that from.
Simple question and you are dribbling yourself. Is Jesus a false God yes or no

[." Why did you quote the bible half way here is the full verse
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



Those are Christians I am a Christian but you are not.


Here are verses that call Jehovah mighty God.
Deuteronomy 7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Psalms 132:2 How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and[b], O mighty God[/b], thou hast established them for correction.


And Jesus said I and my father are one.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.


you are a liar and an Antichrist. I will never accept anything from Antichrist and heretics.
Jesus is Almighty God!

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

in all you couldn't respond to issues raised. My questions were short and clear enough, you could have answer them straight but a heretic like you prefers to jump around. SHM
Repent now before its too late

SAVIOURJESUS:
out of point.
Is Jesus a true God or a false god.

@ bold were did you get that from.
Simple question and you are dribbling yourself. Is Jesus a false God yes or no

[." Why did you quote the bible half way here is the full verse
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



Those are Christians I am a Christian but you are not.


Here are verses that call Jehovah mighty God.
Deuteronomy 7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Psalms 132:2 How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and[b], O mighty God[/b], thou hast established them for correction.


And Jesus said I and my father are one.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.


you are a liar and an Antichrist. I will never accept anything from Antichrist and heretics.
Jesus is Almighty God!

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

in all you couldn't respond to issues raised. My questions were short and clear enough, you could have answer them straight but a heretic like you prefers to jump around. SHM
Repent now before its too late

achorladey:

Who is the antichrist here? 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
That is all you need Mr SAVIOURJESUS. Once you raise Jesus to status Almighty God. You render your beloveth Jesus a liar. Your John 10:30 becomes...... I(Jesus the Almighty God) and my father(Father of the Almighty God) are one. Question for you SAVIOURJESUS do you serve an Almighty God that has a father? Looooool.
The thread is not meant for medal seeking Christians by mouth like you as signified by the post am responding to. I repeat ask Jesus what he meant when he said in John 17:3 that there is only one true God.
You didn't bother to look up on what others have had to say on this thread. All the scriptures you highlighted so far has been extensively covered on this same thread. Do well to read the thread from page 1-8 to seek the answers you crave for. Through inspiration John said we only need to see and confess Jesus as the Son of God for God to dwell with us and you want the JWs to raise the Jesus to status Almighty God. Think deeply about that. Don't create unnecessary discussions into what the demons themselves believe in an shudder that JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF JEHOVAH.

lovingJehovah:
our conversation to a conclusion. It is baseless talking with someone who denigrates people and their beliefs. You just sounded irrational and immature so I am tapping out. This is a forum where you come to share your thought and make room for others to do the same without spitting hate slurs and being judgmental. You cannot reel me in that dirt.
Take the win and have a great day.

achorladey:

Who is the antichrist here? 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
That is all you need Mr SAVIOURJESUS. Once you raise Jesus to status Almighty God. You render your beloveth Jesus a liar. Your John 10:30 becomes...... I(Jesus the Almighty God) and my father(Father of the Almighty God) are one. Question for you SAVIOURJESUS do you serve an Almighty God that has a father? Looooool.
The thread is not meant for medal seeking Christians by mouth like you as signified by the post am responding to. I repeat ask Jesus what he meant when he said in John 17:3 that there is only one true God.
You didn't bother to look up on what others have had to say on this thread. All the scriptures you highlighted so far has been extensively covered on this same thread. Do well to read the thread from page 1-8 to seek the answers you crave for. Through inspiration John said we only need to see and confess Jesus as the Son of God for God to dwell with us and you want the JWs to raise the Jesus to status Almighty God. Think deeply about that. Don't create unnecessary discussions into what the demons themselves believe in an shudder that JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF JEHOVAH.

Ferisidowu:
WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS COLOSSIANS 1:15 ~ JESUS, THE FIRSTBORN
Why don’t you turn over there with us. Notice what Paul writes about Jesus...

Colossians 1:15
“He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”

The firstborn! Ahh, so the Jehovah’s Witness will typically say something like:


Jehovah Witness: “Look at that. Paul says Jesus is the “[b]firstborn” of all “creation.” Paul is saying that Jesus was the very first of all of God’s creations. He was brought into being some-time in eternity past (before the creation of the world). So, because that is the case, obviously Jesus can’t be the eternal, Almighty God.”[/b]

Well, that might sound pretty persuasive to people who haven’t studied this. So, how might we respond to that? Is that what this verse is teaching? (That Jesus was the first being God created?) No.

That word “firstborn,” there in Colossians 1:15, is the Greek word “prototokos.” It does not mean "first created" as people assumed even Christians. There’s another Greek word for ‘first created’ (protoktistos) and Paul did not use that word.

Greek scholars agree that the word Paul uses here in Colossians 1:15 (prototokos) means:

1. Superior
2. Preeminent in rank
3. Above

That’s what Paul was saying about Jesus (that He is superior to creation, preeminent in rank when compared to creation, that He is above all creation).

Why is Jesus superior over all creation? Well, the very next verse explains. Notice the flow. Paul says:

Colossians 1:16-17
16 “For by Him [Jesus] all things [How many things? ALL THINGS] were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist
We’re to form our theology (our beliefs) around what the Bible says! And this passage (Col. 1:16-17) clearly portrays Jesus as the Creator of all things. It even tells us in v. 17 that He existed before all things came into existence.

Brothers and sisters, He is the eternal God!

So, if a Jehovah’s Witness or someone else tries to tell you the term “firstborn” means Jesus was the first being God created, gently tell them that they’re mistaken and that the passage is actually teaching that Jesus is superior or above creation.

lovingJehovah:
We are not on a campaign to force the Bible's message down anyone's throat. I do not think Nairaland is a ground for no-brainers either. Your definition or translation of the Bible is laughable. You will end up making a jest of yourself when you meet religious scholars from your own religion, not JW.
As you know, this is the message that we have from the Bible. It has been delivered and ears have heard.

lovingJehovah:
We are not on a campaign to force the Bible's message down anyone's throat. I do not think Nairaland is a ground for no-brainers either. Your definition or translation of the Bible is laughable[b]. You will end up making a jest of yourself when you meet religious scholars from your own religion, not JW.[/b]
As you know, this is the message that we have from the Bible. It has been delivered and ears have heard.

Ferisidowu:
Though am not the op but I suggest that the op place the Bible verses he use for his argument write a detailed commentary or post on it then the Christians too explain that same verse and bring his own topic and also write a full post on it .... Just a suggestion

I'd like Us all to calm down ....

Ferisidowu:


Lest I forget the translation may be LAUGHABLE ......

YET certainly not to the LEARNED IM VERY SURE IT'S THE language NOT EVEN logic

It may be laughable but IT NO FALSE YOU MAY DO A RESEARCH ON THE WORDS

ALSO ONE THING I HAVE AN OPEN MIND
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IF YOU CONVINCE ME ID GLADLY TAKE TO CORRECTION