achorladey:

Who is the antichrist here? 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
That is all you need Mr SAVIOURJESUS. Once you raise Jesus to status Almighty God. You render your beloveth Jesus a liar. Your John 10:30 becomes...... I(Jesus the Almighty God) and my father(Father of the Almighty God) are one. Question for you SAVIOURJESUS do you serve an Almighty God that has a father? Looooool.
The thread is not meant for medal seeking Christians by mouth like you as signified by the post am responding to. I repeat ask Jesus what he meant when he said in John 17:3 that there is only one true God.
You didn't bother to look up on what others have had to say on this thread. All the scriptures you highlighted so far has been extensively covered on this same thread. Do well to read the thread from page 1-8 to seek the answers you crave for. Through inspiration John said we only need to see and confess Jesus as the Son of God for God to dwell with us and you want the JWs to raise the Jesus to status Almighty God. Think deeply about that. Don't create unnecessary discussions into what the demons themselves believe in an shudder that JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF JEHOVAH.

if you believe he his the son of God why do you still attack his divinity as God. If my father is a human then will I then be an animal? If Jesus father is God what does that make Jesus? Can u see you deny that Jesus is the son of God, but you are lead by the Spirit of error.
Truth may seem harsh but it is the truth you guys are liars and antichrist(against Christ).

Ferisidowu:
Although am disappointed at my Christian folks calling the JW's all sort of names ... It's not right ......

what do you call a manipulator who denies Christ identity? Jesus called the pharisee worst names.
Do you know the millions of people that are been lead astray by false teachers? LovingJehovah is a false teacher, he is not here to know but to teach errors inspire of glaring facts.
I tried to ask him question that will make him see his error (if he sincerely seeks the truth) but no, he knew it and dodge it.
Don't waste your time on him this page will continue endlessly without any tangable result mark my word.

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lovingJehovah:
We are not Charlatans in spiritual things. We are not here to win a prize or impress anyone. The message of the Bible is clear and luster. BTW, what religion are you?

Hmmm brother you may have it your way .

Yet we love our lord he Left all those glory to be man ....

Am a Christian even though I know some of my brothers can be funny at times
.. ...... I don't follow what pastors say I follow Bible


There are many doctrines I thought were wrong but God helped me and I verified them
...

For example 666 doctrine a lot of friends thought or still thinks it physical yet we know it's spiritual

There is Truth to be discovered let's just have a receptive heart
Or even about Christ being the uncreated Angel (messenger of God's presence before he became man on earth )
.. That why I hardly post some things
One who hasn't checked or studied by God's help could just start countering me ....

About my religion am a Christian not really or fully Orthodox just what the Bible says

Yet I want all to know that if any man thinks he knows anything he doesn't know as he ought

May God help us and keep unraveling Truth to us in his word amen

lovingJehovah:
If you are still hoping to be convinced, then you are not sure of your faith yet?
where did you get that translation from?

Not so brother ,,,, not that my hoping to be convinced shows that am not resolved or settled with the findings I got through God's Providence what am just saying is that if there's any point you raise or anyone which differs from what I learnt I will go over the scriptures and if what you said is found credible I'd take it .... Rightly studying or dividing God's word of Truth"

Concerning where I got the translation its in Greek concordance you can check Greek dictionaries too

SAVIOURJESUS:
if you believe he his the son of God why do you still attack his divinity as God. If my father is a human then will I then be an animal? If Jesus father is God what does that make Jesus? Can u see you deny that Jesus is the son of God, but you are lead by the Spirit of error.
Truth may seem harsh but it is the truth you guys are liars and antichrist(against Christ).

That is the problem with your likes, after giving you enough proof that the JWs believed that Jesus is the son of God, you insist we deny Jesus. Na your worries be that. Heed the advice given to you. Start from page 1-8 of this thread. The clarification you seek is there. Finally, Does your Almighty God Jesus has a father?

Ferisidowu:


Not so brother ,,,, not that my hoping to be convinced shows that am not resolved or settled with the findings I got through God's Providence what am just saying is that if there's any point you raise or anyone which differs from what I learnt I will go over the scriptures and if what you said is found credible I'd take it .... Rightly studying or dividing God's word of Truth"

Concerning where I got the translation its in Greek concordance you can check Greek dictionaries too

Take your time to go back to the beginning of this thread. Read bit by bit every post. You will see all your latest research had been addressed. Including those scriptures you still have in mind. Follow the instruction you will find many things to ponder along the way.

achorladey:

Take your time to go back to the beginning of this thread. Read bit by bit every post. You will see all your latest research had been addressed. Including those scriptures you still have in mind. Follow the instruction you will find many things to ponder along the way.

Hello brother.... Which of my posts do you disprove?? We all don't have the same level of knowledge some are far advanced than I in knowledge of theology and I also can't deny that I know by God's sovereignty more than some ......

Bring any part of my post that's false.....
I checked the previous posts and I'm checking it again....

Ferisidowu:


Hello brother.... Which of my posts do you disprove?? We all don't have the same level of knowledge some are far advanced than I in knowledge of theology and I also can't deny that I know by God's sovereignty more than some ......

Bring any part of my post that's false.....
I checked the previous posts and I'm checking it again....

Please explain how someone that is begotten is the same as the creator and the Almighty God?

achorladey:

That is the problem with your likes, after giving you enough proof that the JWs believed that Jesus is the son of God, you insist we deny Jesus. Na your worries be that. Heed the advice given to you. Start from page 1-8 of this thread. The clarification you seek is there. Finally, Does your Almighty God Jesus has a father?

Yes God Almighty has a father. Jesus is Almighty God because he and his Father has one nature but you jws deny this meaning Jesus is not the Son of God.

achorladey:

That is the problem with your likes, after giving you enough proof that the JWs believed that Jesus is the son of God, you insist we deny Jesus. Na your worries be that. Heed the advice given to you. Start from page 1-8 of this thread. The clarification you seek is there. Finally, Does your Almighty God Jesus has a father?

Yes God Almighty has a father. Jesus is Almighty God because he and his Father has one nature but you jws deny this meaning Jesus is not the Son of God.
I and my father a are equal human being, Jesus and his Father are equal God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

lovingJehovah:
It is very odd and disrespectful for a Muslim to jump on a thread opened for Christians to cause a digression. You may open a thread and get Muslim scholars to debate with you on your religious subjects. You simply want to cause a confusion here and that is an Ishmaelite attitude.

It's now that you feel it disrespectful right? You christians will never agree on this subject matter which is the first criteria in God's kingdom.
The bible has reports which are contradictory and if you fail to agree to this, then the battle continues for you guys. Anyway, I will keep watching the season film.
I'm happy that you are saying God is One, but claiming that He begets is still another hurdle for you to succumb. Why do you think Jesus addressed himself as son of man in not less than 88 places in the bible?

Please, answer these questions:

When did Jesus become God, when he was on earth or when he returned to heaven?
If it was here on earth why didn't he know the date and hour as he was asked? Mark 13:32
If it was in heaven, then why did he say he and his father were one when he was in his human form?
Is God in human form?
Did Jesus die for 3 days?
When he died, did the father die as well?
Who resurrected him?
In what form was he resurrected?
Why was he called a son?
Explain the word 'son' in divine terms.
Can you explain the chemistry involved in how Jesus became human?
When he was in Mary's womb, who was God for that 9 months and also during his childhoodand teen years?
Was Jesus sent to the earth or did he send himself?
What is the name that Moses called his God in the Hebrew language?
What is the meaning of that name?
What is the meaning of the name, Jesus?
What is the meaning of God?
Differentiate between Mighty and Almighty.

I will appreciate your answers to these questions.

Ferisidowu:




We are not Charlatans in spiritual things. We are not here to win a prize or impress anyone. The message of the Bible is clear and luster. BTW, what religion are you?


Hmmm brother you may have it your way .

Yet we love our lord he Left all those glory to be man ....

Am a Christian even though I know some of my brothers can be funny at times
.. ...... I don't follow what pastors say I follow Bible


There are many doctrines I thought were wrong but God helped me and I verified them
...

For example 666 doctrine a lot of friends thought or still thinks it physical yet we know it's spiritual

There is Truth to be discovered let's just have a receptive heart
Or even about Christ being the uncreated Angel (messenger of God's presence before he became man on earth )
.. That why I hardly post some things
One who hasn't checked or studied by God's help could just start countering me ....

About my religion am a Christian not really or fully Orthodox just what the Bible says

Yet I want all to know that if any man thinks he knows anything he doesn't know as he ought

May God help us and keep unraveling Truth to us in his word amen

You should be more concerned about Islamic doctrines than trolling Christians to instigate pandemoniun on Nairaland.
Is Islam so boring that you cannot congregate to discuss your faith? You do not win by losing.

Let's talk Islam.
In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
When was the Koran first translated?
In what language were you taught the koran?
Are you an Arab?
If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
Why the confusing method of communication? Could it have been different God's?
Allah is a title (God), what, then, is the true name of Allah? (Reconcile it with the name Musa called his God and provide evidence)
When was the first pronouncement of the word 'Allah'?
Before your mysterious visitation of Mohammed by the angel, what god did Mohammed worship? In what book did he find the law of his god? And what is that book called?
Why is Mohammed more popular than Musa or Ibrahim?
Why is Mohammed's book given superior consideration than Musa' book?
Why is sex and virginity the highest reward to Muslim heroes?
If you believe in Isa(Jesus) as a messenger as your koran says, where are the messages that he preached written?
If God could send Jibril to write a book, why then did he send so many messengers?
If your god is the truth, why do you face the east? Does he live in the Sun?
If you worship the same God as Musa, did he face the east to pray?
What relationship does the worship of God have with the moon?
Did Musa observe the moon?
If Islam is truly the best religion, why isn't Saudi Arabia your holy land taking in Muslim refugees?
Why did 3 Islamic states lose to Israel in the 60ies n 70ies?
Why have Muslims taken up guns and bombs when your prophet says sword?
Why are you socialising with the infidels on this thread, have you come with the motive to cut the neck?
Why are Muslims still puppets to the west?

olamkas:

It's now that you feel it disrespectful right? You christians will never agree on this subject matter which is the first criteria in God's kingdom.
The bible has reports which are contradictory and if you fail to agree to this, then the battle continues for you guys. Anyway, I will keep watching the season film.
I'm happy that you are saying God is One, but claiming that He begets is still another hurdle for you to succumb. Why do you think Jesus addressed himself as son of man in not less than 88 places in the bible?

SAVIOURJESUS:

Yes God Almighty has a father. Jesus is Almighty God because he and his Father has one nature but you jws deny this meaning Jesus is not the Son of God.
I and my father a are equal human being, Jesus and his Father are equal God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
You must definitely be one of the Almighty God on earth. Since we are all one with God. Suit yourself!!!! Jesus says he has one God, who are mine to dispute that? Afterall he asked me to follow his footsteps closely. The most important point of all is the JWs know Jesus as the only begotten son of God and and they duly exercise faith in the Ransom sacrifice that Jesus himself said qualifies the JWs to have everlasting life. Prove otherwise.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I am still waiting for your answers. Since you know how to run over the Bible and talk about its contradictions, kindly answer all my questions. I will add more here. Please, do not run away. Answer them one by one.

If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Has any archaeologist used the koran to trace relics of past kingdoms in history?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

olamkas:

It's now that you feel it disrespectful right? You christians will never agree on this subject matter which is the first criteria in God's kingdom.
The bible has reports which are contradictory and if you fail to agree to this, then the battle continues for you guys. Anyway, I will keep watching the season film.
I'm happy that you are saying God is One, but claiming that He begets is still another hurdle for you to succumb. Why do you think Jesus addressed himself as son of man in not less than 88 places in the bible?

Ferisidowu:

There are many doctrines I thought were wrong but God helped me and I verified them

Please, take your time to answer my questions one by one.

In what way did God help you to understand the doctrines? How did the help come exactly?

SAVIOURJESUS:
Jesus is Almighty God!

How can the Almighty God have a God ?
let me test your IQ

Ferisidowu:

Am a Christian even though I know some of my brothers can be funny at times
.. ...... I don't follow what pastors say I follow Bible

About my religion am a Christian not really or fully Orthodox just what the Bible says

Why does everyone deny his church when asked? All Christians are meant to follow the Bible. I am a JW. What church do you identify with?

Ferisidowu:
WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS COLOSSIANS 1:15 ~ JESUS, THE FIRSTBORN
Why don’t you turn over there with us. Notice what Paul writes about Jesus...

Colossians 1:15
“He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”

The firstborn! Ahh, so the Jehovah’s Witness will typically say something like:


Jehovah Witness: “Look at that. Paul says Jesus is the “[b]firstborn” of all “creation.” Paul is saying that Jesus was the very first of all of God’s creations. He was brought into being some-time in eternity past (before the creation of the world). So, because that is the case, obviously Jesus can’t be the eternal, Almighty God.”[/b]

Well, that might sound pretty persuasive to people who haven’t studied this. So, how might we respond to that? Is that what this verse is teaching? (That Jesus was the first being God created?) No.

That word “firstborn,” there in Colossians 1:15, is the Greek word “prototokos.” It does not mean "first created" as people assumed even Christians. There’s another Greek word for ‘first created’ (protoktistos) and Paul did not use that word.

Greek scholars agree that the word Paul uses here in Colossians 1:15 (prototokos) means:

1. Superior
2. Preeminent in rank
3. Above

That’s what Paul was saying about Jesus (that He is superior to creation, preeminent in rank when compared to creation, that He is above all creation).

Why is Jesus superior over all creation? Well, the very next verse explains. Notice the flow. Paul says:

Colossians 1:16-17
16 “For by Him [Jesus] all things [How many things? ALL THINGS] were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist
We’re to form our theology (our beliefs) around what the Bible says! And this passage (Col. 1:16-17) clearly portrays Jesus as the Creator of all things. It even tells us in v. 17 that He existed before all things came into existence.

Brothers and sisters, He is the eternal God!

So, if a Jehovah’s Witness or someone else tries to tell you the term “firstborn” means Jesus was the first being God created, gently tell them that they’re mistaken and that the passage is actually teaching that Jesus is superior or above creation.

forget All this twisting and turning

my own question is : If Jesus was not created, why is he called " Son of God " , A title given to Created Beings ?

somebody raised this in his post, and am curious

lovingJehovah:
Why does everyone deny his church when asked? All Christians are meant to follow the Bible. I am a JW. What church do you identify with?

I identify with the Presbyterian church

achorladey:

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

You must definitely be one of the Almighty God on earth. Since we are all one with God. Suit yourself!!!! If Jesus say he has one God, who are mine to dispute that? Afterall he asked me to follow his footsteps closely. The most important point of all is the JWs know Jesus as the only begotten son of God and and they duly exercise faith in the Ransom sacrifice that Jesus himself said qualifies the JWs to have everlasting life. Prove otherwise.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Big one at Bold, SaviourJesus what do u say to this ?

#Following

Ferisidowu:
I identify with the Presbyterian church

Thanks for this answer. There are two other posts that you skipped. Can you kindly supply answers to those questions?

Peacefullove:


forget All this twisting and turning

my own question is : If Jesus was not created, why is he called " Son of God " , A title given to Created Beings ?

somebody raised this in his post, and am curious

waow I'm surprised you called that twisting it isn't .... bring a Bible verse on it let's talk

Ferisidowu:


waow I'm surprised you called that twisting it isn't .... bring a Bible verse on it let's talk

I asked a question, If Jesus was not created .. tell me why he is called Son of God, a title given to created angels and Created humans ?

Why is his father Never called Son of God too ? does his been called Son of God not proof he was created ?

Ferisidowu:
MATTHEW 19:16-17 ~ JESUS IS NOT GOOD?


Matthew 19:16–17
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jehovah Witness: “So look at that Charlie. Jesus says, no one is good but God! Jesus was saying, in effect: ‘Whoa! Watch who you call good. Don’t call me good!’ Jesus was clearly denying equality with God.”

Well, hold on a second here. Was that what Jesus was saying to this man? Not at all. I like to ask people two questions when they bring up this verse thinking it disproves the deity of Christ.

Two Key Questions:

1. Is it true, according to the Scriptures, that God alone truly is good?

Now, brothers and sisters, what do you think the answer is to that question? Is it true, according to the Scriptures, that God alone truly is good? The answer is Yes.

The Bible makes it clear that the hearts of men are desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9), all of mankind like sheep have gone astray (Isaiah 53:6), and that there is “none righteous; no not one” (Romans 3:10).

And Jesus Himself just said, “No one is good but One, that is, God,” here in the verse we’re examining (Matt. 19:17). So, ask the person who cites Matthew 19:17 this question: Is it true that God alone is good?

They should have no qualms about answering YES. Then ask the second question…

2. Was Jesus good?

What’s the answer to this one? YES. Uh-oh. The person who thinks Matthew 19:17 disproves the deity of Christ is trapped! Why?

If God alone is good (as Jesus Himself said in Matthew 19:17) and Jesus is good, that means: JESUS IS GOD.

But, rather than concede that their beliefs about Jesus don’t correspond with the Bible, some people say something like…

Jehovah Witness: “Well then, maybe Jesus wasn’t good!!”

If they say something like this, you’ll want to have two verse references handy. I encourage you to write these down in the margin of your Bible sometime right there at Matthew 19:17…

• Hebrews 7:26
• John 10:11

Notice Hebrews 7:26, speaking of Jesus, it says:

Hebrews 7:26
“For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens.”

Jesus was holy? Innocent? Undefiled? That’s pretty good! That’s better than good. Jesus was perfect! And next, notice this in John 10:11, Jesus even calls Himself good:

John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.”

So again, if God alone is good and Jesus is good, that means: Jesus is God. See how that works?

So then, why would Jesus challenge this man (in Matthew 19:17) with the question: “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”

Bible commentators, believe it was because Jesus wanted the man to examine the implications of what he said when he called Jesus “good.”

Jesus was, in effect, asking him, “Do you realize who you are saying I am when you call Me good? Are you saying I’m God?” So, Matthew 19:17 in no way diminishes the goodness or the deity of Christ. In fact, it actually helps to affirm those attributes

O boy, One simple question will solve this .

Whenever Jesus say " God " in your Bible, who is he referring to?


cc Ferisidowu ,

Ferisidowu:
2) REVELATION 3:14 ~ JESUS, THE "BEGINNING" OF CREATION?

Here in Revelation 3:14, Jesus refers to Himself with a few different titles, but there’s one in particular the JW focus on. Let’s read what Jesus said...

Revelation 3:14
“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, “These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God…”


Jehovah Witness: “Well, here we have another reference to the fact that Jesus had a beginning. Jesus calls himself the “Beginning of the creation of God.” Notice that! He says very plainly here that he is part of the creation of God. If Jesus had a beginning or if he is any part of the creation of God, he surely cannot be Almighty God.”

Well, how might we respond to this interpretation? Was Jesus saying He had a beginning, confirming He was a created creature? No.

The Greek word here for “Beginning” (Rev. 3:14) is the word “arche.” It’s the word from which we get our English word architect. It doesn’t imply in the slightest that Jesus had a beginning (as the JWs say).

Greek scholars say that this word (“arche”) can also be properly interpreted as:

• Origin
• Source
• Designer
• Supervisor
• First Cause
• Ruler

This is why God the Father can also refer to Himself with the very same word in Revelation 21:6! In fact, Revelation 21:6 is a great cross-reference to write in the margin of your Bible at Revelation 3:14. Notice what Revelation 21:6 says. I’ll start in v. 5 for context:

Revelation 21:5-6
5 “Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning [arche] and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.”

So, notice that, God the Father refers to Himself with the very same title, the arche, the Beginning.

So, back to the verse in question (Rev. 3:14); Jesus is not saying that He had a beginning or that He is the first thing that God made. He is saying that He is the One who began all of creation, that He is the designer, origin, the first cause, or ruler of all creation!

And this is exactly what other passages in the Bible teach about Jesus. For example, John writes in...

John 1:3
“All things came into being [How?] through Him.”

Through Jesus. He’s the designer. He’s the architect.

Speaking of all things coming into being through Jesus, a good question to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: Is Jesus the creator?

Jehovah Witness: “Well, we believe Jesus is a creator in a sense. After God created Jesus, Jesus helped God create the other things.”

When a Jehovah’s Witness tells you this, you might them to Isaiah 44:24. Notice what it says:

Isaiah 44:24
“Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD [YHWH], am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens [How? With someone else’s help? No.] by Myself, and spreading out the earth [with help? No.] all alone."

If God created everything “all alone” as this passage (Isaiah 44:24) says and Jesus created “all things” (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17) you have to conclude that Jesus must be that God, the God of the Old Testament—Yahweh

Go and throw those Shallow reasonings you acquire in theology .

The origin is the source, Is Jesus the source of Creation ? give an answer, so we can no if your translation is right

be careful here, am warning .

hello pls calm down all I can't answer all of this at a time. ...

Ferisidowu:
JOHN 14:28 ~ JESUS SAYS THE FATHER IS "GREATER"

Jesus here is speaking to His disciples on the eve of His crucifixion…

John 14:28
“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.”

Jehovah Witness: “Look at that ! Jesus says right here that his Father is “greater” than him (Jn. 14:28). You keep saying Jesus is equal in nature with the Father; but that contradicts what Jesus himself said!”


Well, once again we need to look a bit more closely at the word in question in the original Greek. The Greek word for “greater” in John 14:28 is the word meizon. This word is a quantitative term, not a qualitative term. Let me explain.

– A quantitative term describes quantities, levels, positions, etc.
– A qualitative term describes qualities, character, nature.

When I say, “The amount of water in this glass is greater than the water in that glass,” I’m speaking quantitatively. I’m not saying that the water in this glass is better than the water in that glass.

When Jesus spoke of His Father being “greater” than Him (John 14:28), He was speaking quantitatively (as the word meizon implies). Jesus was referring to His Father’s position, not His nature. He was not saying His Father was better than Him or more worthy of worship. That would contradict what the Bible says elsewhere.

For instance, notice what Hebrews 1:3 says. Speaking of Jesus, it says:

Hebrews 1:3
“He [Jesus] is the radiance of His glory [God the Father’s] and the exact representation of His nature."


Jesus is absolutely equal in nature to God the Father. But in John 14:28, while Jesus was here on the Earth having “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant” (Phil. 2:7), having been made for “a little while lower than the angels” (Heb. 2:9), it was completely appropriate to speak of His Father being greater than Him (positionally). He was not saying that the Father was better than Him in character or in nature.

Here’s an analogy that might help. The President is greater than us in position of authority. But in nature he is absolutely equal with us, isn’t he? We are all 100% homosapien.

Here’s another analogy. Children are absolutely equal in nature with their parents (we’re all humans). But children can rightly speak of their parents holding a higher office. The fact that the parents are greater in their position of authority does nothing to negate the fact that their children are perfectly equal to them in nature.

And the same is true with Jesus’ statement there in John 14:28. When it comes to Jesus and the Father’s nature, Jesus said...

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one."

They are so identical in nature, Jesus told Philip in John 14:9...

John 14:9
“He who has seen Me has seen the Father.”

LMAO! Jesus referring to his Father is greater is only in Position Lol

okay . that means In position, Father is greater than son , Now who is greater between Son and Holy spirit ?

Peacefullove:


Go and throw those Shallow reasonings you acquire in theology .

The origin is the source, Is Jesus the source of Creation ? give an answer, so we can no if your translation is right

be careful here, am warning .

if you call those words shallow ... I wonder if you would call the Bible shallow I can't argue with one who doesn't agree with the source or words of the Bible
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and for others I'm working on the answer of your questions

lest I forget
.. the reason why I'm in the first place arguing this with you is because am a Christian .... why am I a Christian ,,?? because I admit am a sinner and needs to be saved ..... now I affirm that" this argument " is not a prerequisite to my being saved or salvation if it were I need not be a Christian .....

I'm working on the answers of others who want to give me hearing even if I may be wrong to them I attacked no one don't attack me pls calm down and post your questions reasonably .....

Ferisidowu:
hello pls calm down all I can't answer all of this at a time. ...

I will be patient. Take your time. Let me bring the questions forward for reference.
QUESTIONS

When did Jesus become God, when he was on earth or when he returned to heaven?
If it was here on earth why didn't he know the date and hour as he was asked? Mark 13:32
If it was in heaven, then why did he say he and his father were one when he was in his human form?
Is God in human form?
Did Jesus die for 3 days?
When he died, did the father die as well?
Who resurrected him?
In what form was he resurrected?
Why was he called a son?
Explain the word 'son' in divine terms.
Can you explain the chemistry involved in how Jesus became human?
When he was in Mary's womb, who was God for that 9 months and also during his childhood and teen years?
Was Jesus sent to the earth or did he send himself?
What is the name that Moses called his God in the Hebrew language?
What is the meaning of that name?
What is the meaning of the name, Jesus?
What is the meaning of God?
Differentiate between Mighty and Almighty.
In what way did God help you to understand the doctrines? How did the help come exactly?

lovingJehovah:
I am still waiting for your answers. Since you know how to run over the Bible and talk about its contradictions, kindly answer all my questions. I will add more here. Please, do not run away. Answer them one by one.

If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Has any archaeologist used the koran to trace relics of past kingdoms in history?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

I can see you are a full timer here so you can run your fingers to type ignorantly. You can't dear compare Islam which is a religion from God to Christianity that is man made. We muslims have common grounds on core issues of faith especially partaining to God in His Oneness. It's really unfortunate for you guys.
Anyway, I had sent a mail request to you for private chat if at all you care.

Yes, I am a full timer and with all due respect, your aggression is unworthy. I didn't insult you or incite hatred toward Islam. All I did was ask you questions about the religion that you put your faith in and claim to be the only true religion above mine. You said that mine is man made. So, I am curious to get the answers from you. There must be reasons why yours is the religion from God as you said. I accept to be ignorant to Islam so edify me by answering my questions.
Listen, I know the art of pivoting so do not dodge my questions by using sentimental slurs.
We will have a private chat for sure but for the interest of having a closure on the issue that you raised on this thread, kindly respond to my questions.
I will repost them here to make it easy for you.
QUESTIONS

If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
When was the Koran first translated?
In what language were you taught the koran?
Are you an Arab?
If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
Why the confusing method of communication? Could it have been different God's?
Allah is a title (God), what, then, is the true name of Allah? (Reconcile it with the name Musa called his God and provide evidence)
When was the first pronouncement of the word 'Allah'?
Before your mysterious visitation of Mohammed by the angel, what god did Mohammed worship? In what book did he find the law of his god? And what is that book called?
Why is Mohammed more popular than Musa or Ibrahim?
Why is Mohammed's book given superior consideration than Musa' book?
Why is sex and virginity the highest reward to Muslim heroes?
If you believe in Isa(Jesus) as a messenger as your koran says, where are the messages that he preached written?
If God could send Jibril to write a book, why then did he send so many messengers?
If your god is the truth, why do you face the east? Does he live in the Sun?
If you worship the same God as Musa, did he face the east to pray?
What relationship does the worship of God have with the moon?
Did Musa observe the moon?
If Islam is truly the best religion, why isn't Saudi Arabia your holy land taking in Muslim refugees?
Why did 3 Islamic states lose to Israel in the 60ies n 70ies?
Why have Muslims taken up guns and bombs when your prophet says sword?
Why are you socialising with the infidels on this thread, have you come with the motive to cut the neck?
Why are Muslims still puppets to the west?

olamkas:

I can see you are a full timer here so you can run your fingers to type ignorantly. You can't dear compare Islam which is a religion from God to Christianity that is man made. We muslims have common grounds on core issues of faith especially partaining to God in His Oneness. It's really unfortunate for you guys.
Anyway, I had sent a mail request to you for private chat if at all you care.