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Beware Of The Leaven Of Daddy Freeze / The Beginning Of The End Of "Daddy Freeze". / Who Is Afraid Of Daddy Freeze? By Femi Aribisala (2) (3) (4)
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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 11:31am On Nov 12, 2017 |
Gombs: ludot:No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. -1 Timothy 5:23 |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 11:38am On Nov 12, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Thank you, MuttleyLaff. This was very educational. 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 12:32pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
ludot: That's an exceptional incident . Besides he didn't give him wine because of tithes. Tithes only came later |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by ludot(m): 12:43pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
petra1: The same way Abraham's tithe was an exceptional incident, wasn't it? Following your logic of tithe was after wine - that means pastors that don't bring wine first deserve no tithe. Lol... The list is getting long 1. Symbolic 2. Exceptional Pro-tithe people make me laugh 3 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 2:07pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
ludot: What I wanted to say was. It was mere coincidence. The are not connected Abraham was a prophet . He recognize the grace and anointing on Abraham . |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 3:40pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
petra1:That's correct! Is that why you people are paying tithe in the order of Abraham and not the order of Malachi? Because prophet Malachi was a Jew |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by pascal558(m): 5:02pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:read pauls letter to d churches nd stop trying to use canal mind to resolve things of d spirit! |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 6:20pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
pascal558: What EXACTLY are you trying to say? |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by esere826: 6:45pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
petra1: MuttleyLaff: Freeze made is point and welcomed debates. Fair enough One can choose to either ignore him or actually debate the idea with some biblical "logic" What I've found amusing is that a couple of senior christians who i respect have jumped in and used emotions as a tool in such a "debate". For example, one of the big MOG's dismissed and rebuked Freeze for mentioning beer in relation to tithe. However, this was so off the context in which Freez spoke. Many bible translations do have that verse of the bible mentioning strong drink. (that he doesnt agree with it does not mean that it does not exist) Another MOG jumped on the bandwagon and was busy defending the 1st MOG based on emotions with barely any biblical logic. This is same way the catholic church used to behave in ages past. Their leadership just said anything (even outside of the bible) and expected everyone to fall into line. Petra1 tried (I'm not saying he's right or wrong) I say so because he's a pastor and could have taken the easier route of ignoring or just going straight to Malachi and threatening its curse for anyone who disagrees with his tithing view -people are scared of this. He didnt. Instead he has attempted to trace the genesis of tithing, and to distinguish different types. I might not completely agree with him, but I appreciate that he is enriching the discussion. As it is written. ..... Study to show yourself approved 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:07pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 12:35am On Nov 13, 2017 |
esere826:Freeze did not just made his point he actually made salient points esere826:Anyone with a good conscience and in their right sense or mind wouldnt ignore the salient points Freeze made Indifference to the salient points Freeze made, is an epitome of evil. esere826:What I've found amusing is their indifference and the silence over been guilty of dereliction of duty for failing on all the salient points Freeze raised in that interview Freeze in that interview was showing them to be the 21st century Pharisees, in the Luke 11:42 scripture Freeze painted a picture of injustice, unfairness and life devoid of the love of God but they couldnt see the wood for the tithe trees. They've been so much fascinated by tithes and/or filty lucre, they couldnt and cant see their way through the week from Monday to Sunday without it. Thats the reason for their indifference and why Freeze's Matthew 25:31-42 scripture exegesis about "The Sheep and the Goats" went over their heads Did I hear you say, a couple of senior christians who you respect? Very charming but a lot of others wouldn't trust the couple of senior christians who you respect, as far as they could be thrown Respect, is gained deservedly, in return for one's good and/or right behaviour Respect and trust cannot be imposed, are not demanded and never be given on a silver platter... Respect and trust must be earned and gained Do we know how respect could have been earned and trust be gained by the couple of senior christians? It is simply, nothing other than, by outright and forthright honesty. The couple of senior christians merely had to admit to the ills highlighted and wrongs raised by Freeze, and own up to the alls that havent been done right. That's how to learn, change and start earning respect plus gaining trust Their honesty would have been appreciated, subsequently after that earned respect, gained trust and have loyalty reaffirmed. I respect those who are totally honest with the truth and who, no matter how hard and bitter it is, tell the truth, without softening or sugar coating it. esere826:Kind words often falls on barren ground, and thereafter easily gets blown away esere826:Instead of building a firm foundation with the bricks Freeze threw about, those that responded only resorted to building up walls around their heart with the bricks esere826:Of course he didnt. Petra1 knowing this is a difficult or unpleasant situation and instead of be like a rabbit or deer caught in a car's headlights, had no choice, than, be showing courage in the face of adversity He is trying to bluff it out, survive a difficult situation, and ride out the storm by maintaining the pretence Petra1 in another life, will be good serving as a firefighter/fireman, he sure is good at trying to douse "fire" with "water" esere826:People pretend well but no way can pretence go on forever Beware of false knowledge, it is more dangerous than ignorance esere826:and you shall have your epiphany "Aha!" moment |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 12:53am On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:Yes, I am saying Jacob didn't fulfill the tithe part vow he made petra1:I havent said whether it's recorded or not. What I said and I continually am saying, is, Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made When Samuel's mother Hannah made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it Now petra1, kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where when and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Nobody: 1:00am On Nov 13, 2017 |
To these misled sheep , God operates a Casino , the more you give , the more he doubles your money and yet the more they give the more broke they are even though some are blessed because of hard work and having their heart in the right place . As someone once said , if you want to be under the law then bring back everything under the law including stoning adulterers to death , stoning stubborn children to death and other Old Testament punishments. The only reason these so called men of god hold on to the tithe with all their might is money , their greed for money . Shame on all of them . |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by savagefinder: 6:46am On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:wait ooh.. Lol.. The three types of tithe you mentioned none of them talked about giving money to pastor abi church every month.. If we are doing abrahamic tithing then we should tithe just once in our lives since abraham tithed just once.. The children of Israel are direct descendants of Abraham, all of us na gentiles saved by grace and they did practice the mosaic tithes because that was what God gave them to do and if we want to follow our Bible, do we disregard the 10 commandments? Should we then disregard the law of tithing just to favor our Pastors? Your long epistle didn't answer the question "where did our Pastors dig up their type of tithe from?" You only clarified it the more that we have been scammed 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by charlsecy(m): 7:11am On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:Under what conditions did Abraham tithe? 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:11am On Nov 13, 2017 |
When Pastors REFUSE to CLEARLY make their congregations understand the Biblical position on TITHING they are being EVIL. When monetary BENEFITS becomes the overriding reason for KEEPING QUIET on an issue that impacts many lives they are not being good overseers of the flock of God. In so doing, they have, in fact placed themselves in OPPOSITION to their Lord and Master who was ALWAYS pointing out ERRORS and directing his listeners and disciples to the truth. Why have these Pastors not EMPHASIZED the early Church's example when it comes to giving? Why are they NEVER able to buttress their stand with the EPISTLES? When Pastors like Petra1 who train in seminary and theological schools for years on how to study the Bible cannot now come up with CLEAR explanation to their flock, (and in a forum such as this resort to EVASIVE tactics) it shows that there is indeed a dearth of true understanding of the Word of God and the Christian way of life in particular. 3 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 11:33am On Nov 13, 2017 |
charlsecy: On the condition that he met the high priest |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 11:51am On Nov 13, 2017 |
savagefinder: Christian giving are not based on the law . It’s based on principles revealed in the Bible Tithe and offering giving are principles in worshiping God. If we are doing abrahamic tithing then we should tithe just once in our lives since abraham tithed just once Abraham didn’t tithe once . We only had that particular incidence on record . If he could tithe from war booty how much more all his possession as practice The children of Israel are direct descendants of Abraham, all of us na gentiles saved by grace and they did practice the mosaic tithes because that was what God gave them to do and if we want to follow our Bible tithes and offering were practiced before mosaic law . Mosaic law was only a reminder of existing principle. do we disregard the 10 commandments? Should we then disregard the law of tithing just to favor our Pastors? How Your long epistle didn't answer the question What is the question "where did our Pastors dig up their type of tithe from?" Read your Bible . Firstly an average pastor has a job is a giver and a tither and he doesn’t depend on church for support . Secondly church money does not belong to the pastor . Only a handful of pastors Who may be adviced to resign from secular job do get allowance like any other church worker and that is paralle to the Bible days . Paul made it clear . That they can receive support and welfare . Support of the Old Testament came from tithes 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Goshen360(m): 12:24pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1: When people like you try to defend false doctrine such as tithe, there will always be statement of error like the above you just said. Now, if tithe is tithe, why do you now start a thread to tell us the difference between one tithe and another? 2. On your own other " offering" thread, you're exposed on offerings and what it consistently mean from scriptures just like tithe which you agreed they both go hand in hand. So did Abraham also practiced offering in monetary form? 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Goshen360(m): 12:33pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1: Can people be intelligent enough to spot the huge CONTRADICTIONS in the above and with everything you've been saying in this thread? Lies are never consistent. You have to lie another lie to cover up a previous lie and it's unfortunate men like you hold the pulpit....smh! 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 12:58pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
^^^^^ Thanks for the complemet 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by charlsecy(m): 1:45pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:What goods did he tithe? |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 1:54pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
charlsecy: Kindly enlighten us |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 2:55pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:This is an error because Abraham never met any "high priest" charlsecy: petra1:C'mon now, don't pass the buck, answer charlsecy's question. You couldn't have already run out of salvo. Don't be shy, don't feel intimidated... What goods did Abraham tithe to the ruler cum priest Melchizedek? 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BERNIMOORE: 5:08pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:i beg free this guy |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BERNIMOORE: 5:12pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Goshen360:Goshen360 6 yrs ago, you remember the tithe thread we had with joeagbaje wordtalk snowwy etc, till page 40 |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:01pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Eternal Principle? We need to be clear about something. To say tithing is eternal means it existed before human history. There is simply no evidence for this. Tithing is not eternal in the way that God is eternal. There would have been no tithe before men or angels existed. So, tithing has not "eternally" existed. Tithing started at a point in time in human history. Even if by "eternal principle" they mean that tithing has been a requirement from the very beginning of human history, how does that make it a thing for all generations? We have shown that a covenant as seriously regarded as CIRCUMCISION is no longer binding on the Christian. We have shown that the EPISTLES show clearly how Christians gave and directives for giving. Pro-tithers like Petra1, on the other hand, HAVE NOT been able to show where it is said under the New Covenant that the Christian should tithe or even explain CLEARLY what they mean by "eternal principle". Brandishing words or phrases that convey nothing do not resolve issues in the hearts of people. In response to people pointing out the CORRECT Biblical position on TITHING many pulpits resort to emotional blackmail of these people without Scriptural backing or justification. Where scripture is quoted it is TWISTED to make it mean what the pulpit wants. Shouting condemnation and warnings for church members to ignore questions and comments on TITHING clarifies nothing. For too long self-glorified 'Men of God' have arrogated to themselves a level of authority that has not been given to them by their master. In fact many of them do not see themselves or live lives that show that they are ACCOUNTABLE to any master. 4 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Goshen360(m): 9:10pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: I sure do remember. What about it? |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BERNIMOORE: 11:30pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Goshen360:this issue of tithe was won ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT WE DIDNT AGREE ON ''SPEAKING IN TONGUE'' and i will not, so what's about it is that the social media allows everyone to his opinion but we should not be over rigtheous |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Goshen360(m): 1:07am On Nov 14, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Sure, no wahala....these tithe yahoos ain't giving up, so we shouldn't give up too.... 3 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 11:04am On Nov 14, 2017 |
paxonel: Confusion |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 11:05am On Nov 14, 2017 |
Goshen360: Goshen baba The one who never stops calling fellow Christians names because they don't believe what he does. Remember calling Christians "brood of vipers littering Lagos ibadan expressway" ? Shame |
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