lovingJehovah:
My brother, thanks for the compliment. I do accept that this is a forum where people get on to share their views. I cannot force my opinions on you and vice versa. We only share and learn as well. I understand that it is not easy to change one's belief especially when he has held it all his life.
In a nutshell, there is no trophy to be won at the end of the day, so why should I go that low as to trading insults to denigrate strangers that may turn out to be my own relatives?
Possibly, some people have insulted their uncles on Nairaland. We only know our Monikers and you might even be my boss or neighbour.
This is a religion section and I suppose all visitors here are either "religious" or have interests in religion. Surprisingly, you see people quoting the Bible or Koran and in the next sentence they vomit strange words. You begin to wonder if they actually read the text that they quoted for others to read.

That's BTW, I did ask some questions in my previous posts. You may reply to them. I will be waiting to read from you. Though, do not copy and paste cos it doesn't always align.

Yes I understand the issue that they don't align (([b](BUT THEY AREN'T CONTRADICTORY JUST AS "I AM ISNT CONTRADICTORY TO " I WILL OR I WILL BECOME """ THEY DONT ALIGN BUT THEY AGRE[/b]E ))) IF WHAT YOU MEAN BY THEY DONT ALIGN IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT PLS LET ME KNOW

I can't start typing all of that .... When I see a posts that has my views I take it and edit and post here

I asked some questions in my posts directed to you ... You can check and answer them

I'LL ALSO CHECK OTHER QUESTIONS YOU DIRECTED TO ME

achorladey:
Tritheism
Tritheism is the belief in three distinct gods and stands in contrast to Trinitarianism.
From Jesus' standpoint and the Bible's viewpoint. As recorded in Deut 6:4 Mark 12:29 John 17:3 John 20:17. 1 Corinthians 15: 27,28...........
Is the tritheism view correct?

tritheism is not trinity, that is why you have been getting John17:1 wrong.

diadem10:


Remember that Jesus is referred as the First, the beginning. He's the visible image of God, through which we were created, even as God asked that let's create Man in "our" own image, thereby telling us tha He wasn't alone.

Now to your question. Like I stated earlier, Jesus is an extension of God (a part of God) but when he was made to come in the form of man to this earth, he became the begotten son of God! That's why the scripture says anyone who says Jesus didn't come in a human form to the world (or that he isn't the begotten son of God) he's an antichrist!

Jesus is not an extension of God but God himself 100%.
Saying Jesus is just an extension of God is a sort of modallism.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

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Yeah, for sure! I have answered your questions and you may check it when you are free. I always try to bring to your attention the disparity between your thought and your quote and to parse the conceptual connotation that the quoted Bible verses portray. Some of these Bible books were written by Jesus' apostles themselves and they clearly understand the difference between the man, Jesus and the spirit creature who ascended to God, the father and was given the kingship to rule mankind in Jehovah's kingdom. Take for example the apostle Peter, he walked with Jesus and he spent enormous time watching him closely and learning from him. We do not expect to have better understanding above such a person in regard to detailing the exact nature of Jesus.

Ferisidowu:

Yes I understand the issue that they don't align (([b](BUT THEY AREN'T CONTRADICTORY JUST AS "I AM ISNT CONTRADICTORY TO " I WILL OR I WILL BECOME """ THEY DONT ALIGN BUT THEY AGRE[/b]E ))) IF WHAT YOU MEAN BY THEY DONT ALIGN IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT PLS LET ME KNOW

I can't start typing all of that .... When I see a posts that has my views I take it and edit and post here

I asked some questions in my posts directed to you ... You can check and answer them

I'LL ALSO CHECK OTHER QUESTIONS YOU DIRECTED TO ME

solite3:
Jesus is not an extension of God but God himself 100%.
Saying Jesus is just an extension of God is a sort of modallism.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Modalism and the trinitarian doctrines have no place in the Bible. These are pagan beliefs edified by non-christians to distort the spread of the truth about God. God did not create controversy but we did. Where did godhead pull out from? Is it found in the Greek text? You do not go about spreading heresy without doing thorough research about the message you are putting out.
what is the Greek word for Godhead?

Trinity itself has no trace to Christianity. Constantine converged all pagan worshipers to begin a distort that will stir controversy to true worship.

solite3:
tritheism is not trinity, that is why you have been getting John17:1 wrong.

solite3:
Jesus is not an extension of God but God himself 100%.
Saying Jesus is just an extension of God is a sort of modallism.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus is the Word of God that came unto us in a Fleshy form, hence became the begotten son of God.

The fullness of God dwells in his Word. The Word simply completes God.

lovingJehovah:
Is there a Bible verse that supports this?
Fullness of??
Godhead

Col 2:9

and what is the Greek word for godhead according to your translation?

diadem10:


Col 2:9

lovingJehovah:
and what is the Greek word for godhead according to your translation?

Dunno.

Why asking?

Because I believe that you should do some research on it to find out the truth in the controversial translation that you publicly quoted. The holy scriptures do not hold such view as godhead. It is a man-made inclusion and distortion to the holy scriptures. Neither Jesus nor his apostles taught that. So, as a Christian, I would want to know the source from which the 'godhead' was translated.

diadem10:

Dunno.
Why asking?

lovingJehovah:
Because I believe that you should do some research on it to find out the truth in the controversial translation that you publicly quoted. The holy scriptures do not hold such view as godhead. It is a man-made inclusion and distortion to the holy scriptures. Neither Jesus nor his apostles taught that. So, as a Christian, I would want to know the source from which the 'godhead' was translated.

The scriptures told us explicitly that Jesus is the Word of God made to become flesh and we know God regard his word more than his name, hence, it's not a rocket science that the fullness of God lies in his Word. Moreover, we were told that Jesus is the brightness of God's glory which means He completes God! But due to the fact that he was made into a flesh, he became the son of the most high God, even as we're the sons of the God because of Jesus.

Okay, but my question is on the origin of the godhead. Where in the Greek scriptures can I find the origin of that word?

diadem10:


The scriptures told us explicitly that Jesus is the Word of God made to become flesh and we know God regard his word more than his name, hence, it's not a rocket science that the fullness of God lies in his Word. Moreover, we were told that Jesus is the brightness of God's glory which means He completes God! But due to the fact that he was made into a flesh, he became the son of the most high God, even as we're the sons of the God.

lovingJehovah:
Okay, but my question is on the origin of the godhead. Where in the Greek scriptures can I find the origin of that word?

Well, I don't know.

Do you love God enough to find that out? At least to be sure that you are not being misled or to ensure that your worship is directed to the true God

diadem10:


Well, I don't know.

lovingJehovah:
Do you love God enough to find that out? At least to be sure that you are not being misled or to ensure that your worship is directed to the true God

Well, my worship is directed to the true God. I can only pray for more of the Spirit's lead on this.

Prayers also need work, bro. You cannot pray and sleep lazy. These acts draw us closer to God. The Bible in Philippians 1:10 that you may "make sure" of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ.
It is for a reason that we were given that admonition. Why not take 30 minutes of your time to "make sure" of that word and know if you are on the right path. Google is your buddy.
How can you make sure that your worship is directed to the true God?
Remember that we are all imperfect. If you take a clue from the history of the Israelites, you can see the way they deviate from true worship. It didn't happen overnight. It took time and slowly they turned against Jehovah several times. That is why we need to "make sure".
Give it a try, it is worth it in the end.

diadem10:

Well, my worship is directed to the true God. I can only pray for more of the Spirit's lead on this.

Ferisidowu:


I also remember that in my post directed to you I asked some questions ...pls answer them pls

Don't forget in a hurry in my post to questions, I said lovingJehovah handled those questions. I also said it's fantastic the answer revolve back to the only begotten Son. That was what my initial question to you involve as well.

lovingJehovah:

Modalism and the trinitarian doctrines have no place in th[b]e Bible. These are pagan beliefs [/b]edified by non-christians to distort the spread of the truth about God. God did not create controversy but we did. Where did godhead pull out from? Is it found in the Greek text? You do not go about spreading heresy without doing thorough research about the message you are putting out.
what is the Greek word for Godhead?

what evidence have u, that trinity is pagan?
The Greek word for Godhead is theote's mean the essential nature of God that makes God who he is.
There is no controversy in the word of God. Trinity is fully backed by the bible which is our standard

Ferisidowu:


oh!!! but then, no such as A" begotten god ".... it's "the"begotten God or how many begotten SONS did God have?

BESIDES young man who created all things??

Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
The answer to the question you raised for me.

solite3:
tritheism is not trinity, that is why you have been getting John17:1 wrong.

Give me your definition of tritheism and TRINITY

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Jesus is the Word of God that came unto us in a Fleshy form, hence became the begotten son of God.
The fullness of God dwells in his Word. The Word simply completes God.[/quote]

are you saying Jesus was not the son of God before he became flesh? @ bold the bible didn't say all fullness of God dwells in his word.

solite3:
are you
saying Jesus was not the son of God before he
became flesh? @ bold the bible didn't say all
fullness of God dwells in his word.
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Yeah. He was the Word turned into flesh. That's why the scriptures keep repeating that anyone who says Jesus didn't come to the world in a fleshy form is an antichrist, which is equivalent to anyone saying Jesus isn't the begotten son of God.

As for the bolded, you mean the scripture didn't say that yet it told us that the fullness of Godhead is lies in Jesus? Then tell me who's the Word of God?

Ferisidowu:
. Hmmm at this point I'm perplexed please embolden the part where I wrote that I support modalism.....

Anyway if it wasn't clear through the text I'm OFFICIALLY SAYING IT THAT IM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE MODALIST VIEW .....

BESIDES I don't know what it is with the watch out .... You have read my posts .....


I need you to give a post in support of your view ... I'd gladly read it .......

Also if we can't respect ourselves what are we Christians for.... I still enjoy the way lovingjehovah chats and show his objections


If we can't respect ourselves the thread is uncalled for ......


My resolution is make a post let's read and also make our objections it's like a debate and we are trying to pass our views to one another .....


I'm not saying you should accept my posts ..... But yet you should also help me with a comprehensive post .......

If there wouldn't be respect among ourselves then this conversation is over .........

As for lovingjehovah pls if you have any question from my posts you can ask and I'd love an excerpt from you if you less busy. I appreciate your maturity and respect ...
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Perhaps I missed the last point you made concerning what you believe, I am sorry for that. I only want you to be aware that in writing, when using a material as a source of reference, it adds as proof or backup of your own personal write up. Your references alongside your write up are more like cross examination of what the JWs believe. So you would expect individuals reading your write up to view and see where your loyalty lies. I feel this is what lovingJehovah is trying to show you as well in his response to some of your post earlier.

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Yeah. He was the Word turned into flesh. That's why the scriptures keep repeating that

anyone who says Jesus didn't come to the world in a fleshy form is an antichrist, which is equivalent to anyone saying Jesus isn't the begotten son of God.

I don't dispute that but what I don't agree is that Jesus only became the Son of God on earth

Jesus has always been the son of God right from eternity. Check this verse
1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us 1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

As for the bolded, you mean the scripture didn't say that yet it told us that the fullness of Godhead is lies in Jesus? Then tell me who's the Word of God?

that is not what I mean? There is a difference between Christ ( the anointed) and the The word

diadem10:


Jesus is the Word of God that came unto us in a Fleshy form, hence became the begotten son of God.

The fullness of God dwells in his Word. The Word simply completes God.

Are you now saying without Jesus, there is no God? Or the Almighty God cannot exist independently without Jesus? Please explain. It's good you are adding your own quota as well.

achorladey:

Are you now saying without Jesus, there is no God? Or the Almighty God cannot exist independently without Jesus? Please explain. It's good you are adding your own quota as well.

He has always been part of him from the beginning, so I don't understand your question?

We were told nothing was created without him, the Word! Both him and God are simply one! They have been existing as one being before the world came to be. He confirmed it again when he prayed for us to be one, even as he's one with the father.

I can only say God completes Jesus, even as Jesus completes him. They are indivisible one.

solite3:
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There's no difference between christ and the Word. We were told the Word was turned into flesh and came to live with us here on earth.

As for the scriptures you quoted, John was simply telling us that Jesus was existing, even before he was manifested to us. His life didn't just begin here on earth.

In fact, this could be likened to an egg which has yolk, albumen and a shell, all which are one body!

diadem10:


He has always been part of him from the beginning, so I don't understand your question?

We were told nothing was created without him, the Word! Both him and God are simply one! They have been existing as one being before the world came to be. He confirmed it again when he prayed for us to be one, even as he's one with the father.

I can only say God completes Jesus, even as Jesus completes him. They are indivisible one.

It shouldn't be I can only say......... there must be enough back up scripturally as to what you say. Now let me point something out to you.
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Who fits this scripture......... Jehovah(Almighty God) or Jesus.
Make sure you read that scripture very well and reflect back on your analogy that Jesus completes God and the fullness of Almighty God dwells in Jesus bodily.

diadem10:


He has always been part of him from the beginning, so I don't understand your question?

We were told nothing was created without him, the Word! Both him and God are simply one! They have been existing as one being before the world came to be. He confirmed it again when he prayed for us to be one, even as he's one with the father.

I can only say God completes Jesus, even as Jesus completes him. They are indivisible one.

What does the acts of Stephen in the book of Acts have to say about this your ONE BEING? Point it out if you know. Please don't come back and tell us the "us" and "ours" in Genesis account refer to Jesus and other GOD BEINGS(permit me to use this) because according to you they are indivisible and it's just One BEING.

what evidence have u, that trinity is pagan?
I cannot find trinity in the Bible. Deuteronomy 6:4 Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
Jesus said in John 20:17 Your God is the father, Jehovah
The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.]. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.

The Greek word for Godhead is theote's mean the essential nature of God that makes God who he is.
And you believe that Theotes means godhead, yeah? And not deity? or divine quality?
Theotes is an abstract noun derived from theos.
How, then, can you reconcile Colossians 1:19 to Colossians 2:9 if you accept the godhead in the latter?
Can you reconcile the godhead use in Colossians 2:9 to the godhead used here in Acts 17:29 in the Greek scriptures? Do they tally? If not, what then, is the true definition of godhead?

There is no controversy in the word of God. Trinity is fully backed by the bible which is our standard
How do you reconcile Jesus' words in John 20:17; John 17:3;
How do you explain Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah?
How do you put together 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 11:3, colossians 1:15; Matthew 24:36 etc?

solite3:
what evidence have u, that trinity is pagan?
The Greek word for Godhead is theote's mean the essential nature of God that makes God who he is.
There is no controversy in the word of God. Trinity is fully backed by the bible which is our standard

I will attach some pictures so that you can see the fathers of the Trinity