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Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Goshen360(m): 11:48pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: Your above statement not true....there're millions LIKE MYSELF who understands scriptures and live by it. Do you need me to give you contacts here on NL I have given money to to further their education? Or those I have contributed to for welfare AND I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE and not seen them up till date? Do you need me give you contacts of churches I have helped while they're trying to grow? Do you need me to give you contacts of friends and family I have given capital to start business in Nigeria? I can go on and on and btw, these churches I mentioned collect tithe but members still can't donate much, Im the single greatest donor financially.....what there is the problem and where is the promise of tithe paying to these church folks? I don't have to neither do i mean to sound my alarm but your statement above is reckless and untrue and there're millions like me WHO DON'T TITHE BUT DOES THE SAME. I remember 3 brothers here on NL when I just came to the States and I needed money so bad and I contacted them, without knowing or seeing me before in their lives, they sent me money AND THESE BROTHERS ARE STILL ON THIS SITEM fighting tithe scam AND ARE CHRISTIANS LIKE ME. THIS, is what the kingdom of God is all about! 6 Likes |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Next2Bezee(m): 11:54pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
madone: Removed |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 11:55pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Goshen360: I have been expecting this question. First he had an encounter with a young rich ruler who boasted he has kept all the commandments of God from his youth. Jesus responded, Mark 10:21 One thing thou lackest: go thy way, SELL WHATSOEVER THOU HAST, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. Jesus didn't tell him to go and sell half of his assets. He said, sell off whatsoever you have and give to the poor. And he will have treasures in heaven. Is this not as good as 100%. Well, you might argue he did not say that to everyone but I will show you another Scripture where he said so in a general term. Luke 12:33-34 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. This is 100% demand by our Lord Jesus. The early church practiced it. Acts 2:44-45 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 4:34-35 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. You know what happened to Annanias and Sapphire who tried to play smart. They kept back part of the sales of their land just the way most of you are keeping back your tithes and they died. If you think Jesus about to reduce your burden of giving, you are kidding. He wants you to give more and even all. So, there is no way out. Start from the 10% and over time, God will give you more grace to give more. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Next2Bezee(m): 11:58pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
madone: Removed |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Goshen360(m): 11:58pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: Lemme respond to this when I have enough time. You raised lots of points and i will have to treat them line by line. It's going to be interesting and it will bring out lots of stuffs |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Next2Bezee(m): 12:02am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Look at these 2 dudes having an intellectual debate and am here arguing with a retard. Oh please. Comments edited. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by madone: 12:05am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Next2Bezee:lol ewu isiopupu. Why won't u rest ur case.reprobate fool. I see how u use ur silly mind to deceive ur self. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Next2Bezee(m): 12:07am On Nov 16, 2017 |
madone: My brother, you are blessed. I'm out. My opinion on tithes being used to help won't change. I don't believe that God will curse me or send me to hell because i don't pay my tithes to churches. But that's just me...and a number of others. Good night. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by madone: 12:11am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Next2Bezee:lol e pain am....no go enter family yab cost u won't survive it when I start with u. The mod will only pity u and ban me but I would Av told u tins u cant forget.just maintain this gist on tithe. If u can bear it continue.anumpama |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by madone: 12:15am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Next2Bezee:keep ur silly opinion to ur stupid self.cos I know u don't even practice giving 10% of ur earning to help people . Ur type are never givers. Sticky nnchi |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Goshen360(m): 12:28am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: This is what is called cut and paste scripture knowledge or you just wanna argue for just argument sake or you're trying to make the bible say what YOU want it to say but hey, lemme put scriptures in right perspective for YOU and the AUDIENCE.....like we're already in a DEBATE... ![]() The Rich and the Kingdom of God 17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’d ” 20“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.” 21Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” 24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it ise to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 26The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?” 27Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” 28Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!” 29“Truly I tell you[b],” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.[/b] 31But many who are first will be last, and the last first.” Hightlights: 1. The basis of this conversation of Christ and the rich man is on WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE? 1b. Upon Jesus' reply, DO CHRISTIANS have to follow or obey the 10 commandments to HAVE ETERNAL LIFE or believe in Christ? John 3:16. Now, if Christians are to believe to have eternal life, why then did Christ told him to obey the commandments to have eternal life? The answers are there - these people BOAST in their works of the law! So then, Christ gave him another answer. 1c. Jesus was still under the law at this time and His Audience was people used to the law and who boast in the law - so we saw this man boasting to have kept the law from childhood. 2. On the second response to sell everything - DON'T FORGET THE QUESTION IS....what must i DO to have eternal life. Does Christians SELL EVERYTHING AS A MEANS OF GAINING ETERNAL LIFE from Christ or believing in Christ? 3. Lemme wrap this together for you and the audience - Christ is making the requirements HARD or HARDER so that THOSE UNDER THE LAW WILL BECOME SO BURDENED TO THE POINT THEY WILL SEE A NEED FOR HIM AS THE ONLY WAY OR HOPE OF SAVIOUR. 4. #3 point above is demonstrated in ANOTHER KIND OF MAN in the scene, PETER. Peter said, what about US that have LEFT EVERYTHING ALREADY as in opposite of this young rich man AND HAVE COME TO YOU? So you see, the focus is ON CHRIST as the requirement for having eternal life! 1 Like |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Goshen360(m): 12:43am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: What the early church practiced is in direct opposite of what today's church is practicing. Today's church has been hijacked by thieves and false teachers. Now, there was a need and problem in the church then as there will be need in today's church. What did the early church do? Everybody contributed - MORE OF LIKE OR AS A SACRIFICE which was what Christ preach and encouraged NOT AS A MEANS TO ETERNAL LIFE but among brethren. And who did the early church do with what everyone brought? THE APOSTLES DISTRIBUTE ACCORDING TO EVERY MAN'S NEED. What does today's church do? They collect from EVERY MAN but distribute to SELECTED FEW. How do you explain a church taking tithes and many other contributions or sacrificial donations from an average poor man, build universities and schools and these poor or middle class people children can't even attend such schools and universities - it should be free or at least affordable. How do you explain members, poor or middle class contributing to a church organization, the church buys jets and ONLY THE PASTORS OR SELECTED FEW fly the jet? Is that how the early church USED THE SACRIFICIAL DONATIONS? - and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 4 Likes |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Abudu2000(m): 9:19am On Nov 16, 2017 |
Goshen360:my brother Don't waste ur battery replying these gullible fools. Even they themselves know how foolish they sound whenever they defend their god of men but it's not entirely their fault because an illiterate would have no choice but to fall cheap for such scams.....a learned person will never ever follow an illiterate scammer called pastors in the name of avoiding curse or getting saved |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 1:38pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Goshen360: You derailed the subject in discussion. I proved to you that Jesus teachings on giving places a far bigger demand on us than tithing. I was not addressing the issue of salvation which we know it is in Christ. But there is a connection anyway. Remember the parable of the sheep and goat. Those who neglect to render help to the poor amongst them might lose their salvation. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 1:50pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Goshen360: First of, who told you tithe money was used to build university? Are you one of their accountants? It is wrong to reach such a conclusion. I am not a member of winners Chapel but I know the Covenant University is an example of what you are referring to. The are many other ways men of God make their money outside the tithe they receive. Money can be made through books you write. One good book that makes a record sale can give you millions of naira. Bishop Oyedepo is a prolific writer and I am sure he makes so much money from his books. Another source is messages recorded in different format. That he built a university doesn't necessarily mean it was the tithe money. I am personally not comfortable with the fact that most of their members cannot afford to attend the school. This is another issue all together. Concerning the deviation you noticed about the present day Church not showing much care for her members, this is another issue all together. But there are Churches that do show care. So, your duty is to locate such Churches and give the best of your support. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 1:54pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Goshen360: Yes, the focus is on Christ. But those who are Christ should walk in love. When you walk in love, you will support the poor and support the ministers of the gospel as well. This is what your tithe does. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 2:07pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Goshen360: Your act of benevolence is very scriptural and should also be emphasized. But you also need to send regular support to your local church. It is not compulsory it must be 10%. It can be more but anything less is giving sparingly. Those who have grown in the grace of giving don't limit themselves to 10%. The tithe is the starting point. 1 Like |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 3:18pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Ken4Christ:Those against tithes haven't pointed one single verses in the Bible which say we shouldn't pay. At least when thet argue, argue with prove and in this case is from the Bible. They keep on running from pillar to post without justification 1 Like |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by plainbibletruth: 5:08pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: "When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” The apostles and elders met to consider this question." Actsc15:4-6 "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." Acts 15:28-29 "For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior]." ROMANS 10:4 AMP For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." Galatians 3:13-14 "You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." Galatians 5:4 |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by MuttleyLaff: 5:54pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Ken4Christ:Conversely, it can be less too Ken4Christ:Anything less isnt necessarily sparingly It is what that person honestly is able to afford to give at such circumstance Ken4Christ:You are completely wrong We all have different levels of grace, God knows this and so accepts anything so therefore no amount you give is too small to God Ken4Christ:Any percentage can be used as a starting point for giving. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 6:47pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Non of the scriptures justify or say tithe shouldn't be paid. Where was it specific not beating around the bush 1 Like |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 6:48pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Non of the scriptures justify or say tithe shouldn't be paid. Where was it specific not beating around the |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by plainbibletruth: 8:00pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: So, what is the "bush" you think these scriptures are beating about? |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:It's not specific or precise to the point. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by plainbibletruth: 10:32pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: "Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth." 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 AMP |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 11:41pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:You should study and ask the holy spirit questions regarding tithing not what you think or know. John 16:13 ESV When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. Probably if you had listened to him you wouldn't argue unnecessary.1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Bible verses and revelations in support of tithing are found in Gen 28: 20-22,Num 18:20-32, Lev 27:30-34,Mal 3:8-12,Neh 10:37-38, Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42. Even Hebrew 7:5-9 "Abraham’s tithe is used to illustrate a change concerning the priesthood" God can never change his standard or his words to please man |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by plainbibletruth: 7:52am On Nov 17, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: Ok. It's just that I "Don’t want to let anyone capture me with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ." - Colossians 2:8 |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by openmine(m): 11:35am On Nov 17, 2017 |
I mean no disrespect to U OP but even with the limited biblical knowledge of freeze,he can take on any average tither to the cleaners....esp U! All U need to do for him to skin U alive is bring up that assumption of urs that Paul erred about what Abraham offered king Melchizedek which was spoils of war.... |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by kellybee95: 11:58am On Nov 17, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: guy e no follow abeg.... read from 1 down to 27 to understand what 28 and 29 are saying...... you are part of those people that take portions of scripture and interprete as u like...... may God have mercy on you |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Ken4Christ: 12:17pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
kellybee95: You that know what the Scripture is saying should explain it to me. Otherwise remain quite on this issue. |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by kellybee95: 2:28pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: how would i explain.... when the ones they are explaining to you, youve continued giving your obnoxious view... jst letting you know that b4 u quote a portion of a scripture read from the beginning to understand what happened.... |
Re: I Challenge Daddy Freeze And All Anti Tithers To A Public Debate On Tithing. by Nobody: 5:53pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: U don't need a debate. The Bible is very clear on tithing. Tithe is agricultural produce and not money. Tithe is paid to widows, orphans, fatherless, Levites, foreigners, poor or disadvantaged people in general. Bible also states that wen a levite receives his tithe, he should pay 10% of it as tithe into the house of God so that they may be food. Malachi isn't someone's name, it mean ''the prophets'' Malachi 3 vs 10 is a warning for the levite who do not pay up to 10% of their tithe(agricultural produce) they received from farmers. It is very evil to collect tithe as money. Thieving Pastors. 1 Like |
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