plainbibletruth:


It is not just my logic like you're saying. I'm stating what is CLEARLY in the Bible.

Tithing by Israel was a COMMAND from God.

They didn't give whatever they wanted to give. They HAD TO GIVE what God COMMANDED them to give.

Other trades and professions had ALWAYS EXISTED historically EVEN IN ISRAEL. In spite of that God commanded that TITHES be paid ONLY from AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE.

Anyone who claims that tithing in Israel was other than agricultural produce is simply not speaking from the BIBLE.

The New Testament CLEARLY states how the early church gave and how the Christian is to give. When the Christian therefore seeks to GO BACK to ANY old system to live his spiritual life, such a person is ARROGANTLY declaring that he is rejecting the GRACE OFFER of God under the New Covenant.

in the early church ppl even gave 100%.. Is it ppl dat cant give 10% dat will give 100%? Ppl sold all dey av nd layed at d apostles feet. If any church should try dat today, it will make news headlines tomorrow morning nd ppl will call the members sheeples and their leaders a yahoo man

Jacksonville:


You're clearly not speaking the mind of God. It's OK.

Can you take my points one by one and SHOW clearly how I'm not speaking the mind of God?

If they are too much for you to handle just pick one and show us.

If not, I demand an apology from you for being haughty.

salvation101:
thats not true... God covenant with Abraham extends beyond the nation of Israel. Besides Israel was not the only seed of isaac nd isaac wasnt the only seed of Abraham... The mosaic law is for the nation of Israel alone... Well if u don't believe, u should study ur Bible more.. God covenant with Abraham is an everlasting covenant

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Genesis 17:6‭-‬9 KJV

My dear,Gods covenant with Abraham was merely Promises.
Like Adam,Abraham was also a shadow of who is to come.
Let's look at some verses in Galatains.
Galatains3:16The "PROMISE"were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the PROMISE. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the PROMISE;but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a PROMISE.
Gods covenant with Abraham was mainly "PROMISES"because it concerned the future.Which is Grace through Christ.what is not yet accomplished can only be a Promise.The nature of God word to Abraham was indeed grace, but because it had not been manifested then.it was still a promise.This promise was given to Abraham and to his seed. Paul says, "He does not say, `And to the seeds,' as concerning many(THAT IS,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISAAC,JACOB,MOSES,and WE,but "CHRIST"but as concerning one: `And to your seed,' who is "Christ"The seed is singular, not plural; it is one, Christ.God promised Abraham that he would bring forth Christ and that through Christ the nations would be blessed.Gal3:14 says, "In order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the "PROMISE"of the Spirit through faith." This is the covenant God made with Abraham.
Sis,do you pray in the name of Noah,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob or Moses?
If not why are you grasping on the past that has been done away with by the Cross?

Nwodosis:
The pastors are fighting back to save the means of their livelihood! But we all know the Truth that tithe is a fraud as we are neither Israelites nor Levites.

Since weren't not Israelis nor levites as alleged, we should stop reading the Bible, stop practising what Jesus and apostle Paul taught. No more ten commandments, we can do anything we Wang even if it means killing

salvation101:
about the tax issue, it depends on the country law. There are countries where churches pay tax. In Nigeria, any organization registered as a non profit organization does not pay tax hence all religious organizations(churches, mosques etc even popular clubs) don't pay tax.. Its not limited to church alone and if tomorrow dat tax law is reviewed, den churches and other religious groups will pay tax..
By d way, businesses owned by churches such as universities pay tax

Help me tell am

petra1:


Beautiful analogy . If tithing is only for the new then alms giving , fasting , prayer , offering , is only for the Jews . That’s what I’ve been trying to comunicate . Why will Satan single out the tithe. It only confirms the spiritual importance of the tithe

Are you not aware his agents here?

Etuagievin:
Jesus in mt 23:23 implied that we should give attention to the most imortant aspect of the law namely; love righteous and faith. If he laid much emphasy on it why is it that his Apostles did not follow in the tithe directlom as its common today. Wilful Donations are in order not this pocket-sapping tithes

Did Jesus object to tithing?
Did he ask us not to pay?
Did he change the law?
Then why stressing on tithing when the Bible as already thrash this issue out?

ichuka:

My dear,Gods covenant with Abraham was merely Promises.
Like Adam,Abraham was also a shadow of who is to come.
Let's look at some verses in Galatains.
Galatains3:16The "PROMISE"were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the PROMISE. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the PROMISE;but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a PROMISE.
Gods covenant with Abraham was mainly "PROMISES"because it concerned the future.Which is Grace through Christ.what is not yet accomplished can only be a Promise.The nature of God word to Abraham was indeed grace, but because it had not been manifested then.it was still a promise.This promise was given to Abraham and to his seed. Paul says, "He does not say, `And to the seeds,' as concerning many(THAT IS,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISAAC,JACOB,MOSES,and WE,but "CHRIST"but as concerning one: `And to your seed,' who is "Christ"The seed is singular, not plural; it is one, Christ.God promised Abraham that he would bring forth Christ and that through Christ the nations would be blessed.Gal3:14 says, "In order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the "PROMISE"of the Spirit through faith." This is the covenant God made with Abraham.
Sis,do you pray in the name of Noah,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob or Moses?
If not why are you grasping on the past that has been done away with by the Cross?

you intentionally skipped the part that said the covenant with Abraham was an everlasting covenant. Maybe you should first find out the meaning of the word '' EVERLASTING"...The only reason u nd i as gentiles can partake of the cross of Christ is because of God covenant with Abraham. Paul the apostle even said salvation was for the jews.
Sacred Promises

A covenant is an agreement in which two parties make commitments to each other. Each party takes upon himself, as part of his acceptance of the covenant, certain obligations that pertain to the relationship. In a gospel covenant, we enter into sacred agreements with God, promising our obedience to his will. In turn, he has promised glorious blessings to us if we obey and serve him.

The patriarch Abraham committed himself unwaveringly to the Lord’s service and was privileged to enter into a covenant with him. The Bible describes the blessings the Lord promised Abraham because of his faith and obedience. The following examples mention four promises:

Promise 1: “Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14–15.)

Promise 2: “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (Gen. 13:16.)

Promise 3: “I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” (Gen. 17:7.)

Promise 4: “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” (Gen. 22:18.)

Abraham’s and Sarah’s son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob, received similar promises and became subject to the same covenants and obligations Abraham had received. (See Gen. 26:3–4; Gen. 28:13–14; Gen. 35:11–12.) In like manner, the covenant was renewed at Sinai with the descendants of these three men, the house of Israel. (Ex. 19:1–. By inheritance, those who descend from that lineage receive the same blessings and enter into the same obligations as their great forefathers. In modern times, the Lord has renewed that covenant with his Saints...

Jesus Christ was the seed of Abraham through wch anyone on the face of this planet can become the seed of Abraham. Jesus didn't cancel the covenant of God with Abraham, as a matter of fact Jesus is coming again He fulfilled the law but there are stil prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Yes i pray in the name of Jesus because without him i am alien, it is the adoption in Christ that makes me qualified to be an Abraham seed. Go and read the book of Romans 11..paul explained how some elect were cut off and now the gentiles were grafted into the olive..God still remembers His covenant with Abraham and dat is why You nd i can be called Christians even though we aren't jews. If you say Abrahamic covenant was done away with and the Bible says we are Abraham's seed by faith, how den can believers in Christ be seeds of something dat is done away with? U see its bad theology

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

salvation101:
you intentionally skipped the part that said the covenant with Abraham was an everlasting covenant. Maybe you should first find out the meaning of the word '' EVERLASTING"...The only reason u nd i as gentiles can partake of the cross of Christ is because of God covenant with Abraham. Paul the apostle even said salvation was for the jews.
Sacred Promises

A covenant is an agreement in which two parties make commitments to each other. Each party takes upon himself, as part of his acceptance of the covenant, certain obligations that pertain to the relationship. In a gospel covenant, we enter into sacred agreements with God, promising our obedience to his will. In turn, he has promised glorious blessings to us if we obey and serve him.

The patriarch Abraham committed himself unwaveringly to the Lord’s service and was privileged to enter into a covenant with him. The Bible describes the blessings the Lord promised Abraham because of his faith and obedience. The following examples mention four promises:

Promise 1: “Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14–15.)

Promise 2: “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (Gen. 13:16.)

Promise 3: “I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” (Gen. 17:7.)

Promise 4: “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” (Gen. 22:18.)

Abraham’s and Sarah’s son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob, received similar promises and became subject to the same covenants and obligations Abraham had received. (See Gen. 26:3–4; Gen. 28:13–14; Gen. 35:11–12.) In like manner, the covenant was renewed at Sinai with the descendants of these three men, the house of Israel. (Ex. 19:1–. By inheritance, those who descend from that lineage receive the same blessings and enter into the same obligations as their great forefathers. In modern times, the Lord has renewed that covenant with his Saints...

Jesus Christ was the seed of Abraham through wch anyone on the face of this planet can become the seed of Abraham. Jesus didn't cancel the covenant of God with Abraham, as a matter of fact Jesus is coming again He fulfilled the law but there are stil prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Yes i pray in the name of Jesus because without him i am alien, it is the adoption in Christ that makes me qualified to be an Abraham seed. Go and read the book of Romans 11..paul explained how some elect were cut off and now the gentiles were grafted into the olive..God still remembers His covenant with Abraham and dat is why You nd i can be called Christians even though we aren't jews. If you say Abrahamic covenant was done away with and the Bible says we are Abraham's seed by faith, how den can believers in Christ be seeds of something dat is done away with? U see its bad theology

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

Why is it so hard for you to grasp,that what was given to Abraham was a Promise(please google the word promise)
God never full fill the covenant with Abraham but with Christthe covenant was actually make affective through by Christ and not in Abrahams time.
The word spoken to Abraham always points at the Seed ,that it was through this Seed that the covenant will be made affective.
The question now is who's this Seed?
The Seed is not Isaac Jacob or we but Christ and Him alone.
The convent was establish by God through Christ and not Abraham.

plainbibletruth:


Can you take my points one by one and SHOW clearly how I'm not speaking the mind of God?

If they are too much for you to handle just pick one and show us.

If not, I demand an apology from you for being haughty.

.

ichuka:

Why is it so hard for you to grasp,that what was given to Abraham was a Promise(please google the word promise)
God never full fill the covenant with Abraham but with Christ the covenant was actually make affective through by Christ and not in Abrahams time.
The word spoken to Abraham always points at the Seed ,that it was through this Seed that the covenant will be made affective.
The question now is who's this Seed?
The Seed is not Isaac Jacob or we but Christ and Him alone.
The convent was establish by God through Christ and not Abraham.

wat do u mean by promise? U mean God didn't av an everlasting covenant with Abraham? Or u don't know dat promises are made in covenant? Where does the Bible say Christ death abolished the covenant of God with Abraham? Christ only fulfilled the law. Abraham existed before the law. I wonder why its so difficult for u to get it.. The Law was given to moses at sinia, moses existed many years after Abraham

salvation101:
you intentionally skipped the part that said the covenant with Abraham was an everlasting covenant. Maybe you should first find out the meaning of the word '' EVERLASTING"...The only reason u nd i as gentiles can partake of the cross of Christ is because of God covenant with Abraham. Paul the apostle even said salvation was for the jews.
Sacred Promises

A covenant is an agreement in which two parties make commitments to each other. Each party takes upon himself, as part of his acceptance of the covenant, certain obligations that pertain to the relationship. In a gospel covenant, we enter into sacred agreements with God, promising our obedience to his will. In turn, he has promised glorious blessings to us if we obey and serve him.

The patriarch Abraham committed himself unwaveringly to the Lord’s service and was privileged to enter into a covenant with him. The Bible describes the blessings the Lord promised Abraham because of his faith and obedience. The following examples mention four promises:

Promise 1: “Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14–15.)

Promise 2: “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (Gen. 13:16.)

Promise 3: “I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” (Gen. 17:7.)

Promise 4: “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” (Gen. 22:18.)

Abraham’s and Sarah’s son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob, received similar promises and became subject to the same covenants and obligations Abraham had received. (See Gen. 26:3–4; Gen. 28:13–14; Gen. 35:11–12.) In like manner, the covenant was renewed at Sinai with the descendants of these three men, the house of Israel. (Ex. 19:1–. By inheritance, those who descend from that lineage receive the same blessings and enter into the same obligations as their great forefathers. In modern times, the Lord has renewed that covenant with his Saints...

Jesus Christ was the seed of Abraham through wch anyone on the face of this planet can become the seed of Abraham. Jesus didn't cancel the covenant of God with Abraham, as a matter of fact Jesus is coming again He fulfilled the law but there are stil prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Yes i pray in the name of Jesus because without him i am alien, it is the adoption in Christ that makes me qualified to be an Abraham seed. Go and read the book of Romans 11..paul explained how some elect were cut off and now the gentiles were grafted into the olive..God still remembers His covenant with Abraham and dat is why You nd i can be called Christians even though we aren't jews. If you say Abrahamic covenant was done away with and the Bible says we are Abraham's seed by faith, how den can believers in Christ be seeds of something dat is done away with? U see its bad theology

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

my sis, do u beliv in Jesus Christ.?? do u knw that Christianity wasn't practised bfr Christ, Judaism was practised bfr HIM. the word "Christian" came after Christ (those who behave like Christ.)
do u knw that it was not recorded anywhere that Christ or the followers paid or received tithe.

do u knw that all the patriarchs bfr Christ were recorded not perfect
Hebrews 11:39-40
39.And these all(all the people mentioned in this chapter11), having obtained a good report through faith(including Abraham as previously mentioned if you read from verse1 of this chapter11 down), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE
40.God having provided some better thing(a better faith through Christ) for us, that they(all the people mentioned including Abraham) without us should not be made perfect.

why do u tink pple dont pray in the name of Abraham etc??
Jesus is the surety for new covenant
Hebrews 7:22 KJV
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

that is why he said we shud ask in his name.

anytin that is not done or preached by Christ shud not be encouraged.

pls my sis, there is a clear diff BTW tithe and offering. the act of apostle did offering not tithing. and the offerings served a particular purpose.

do u knw that david at a time limited or stop the work of levite?? even in the book of heb. it was recorded that priesthood bfr Christ is faulty and later proclaimed Christ as the high priest.?


pls anytin u can't find in Christ shud not be encouraged.

lonikit:


my sis, do u beliv in Jesus Christ.?? do u knw that Christianity wasn't practised bfr Christ, Judaism was practised bfr HIM. the word "Christian" came after Christ (those who behave like Christ.)
do u knw that it was not recorded anywhere that Christ or the followers paid or received tithe.

do u knw that all the patriarchs bfr Christ were recorded not perfect
Hebrews 11:39-40
39.And these all(all the people mentioned in this chapter11), having obtained a good report through faith(including Abraham as previously mentioned if you read from verse1 of this chapter11 down), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE
40.God having provided some better thing(a better faith through Christ) for us, that they(all the people mentioned including Abraham) without us should not be made perfect.

why do u tink pple dont pray in the name of Abraham etc??
Jesus is the surety for new covenant
Hebrews 7:22 KJV
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

that is why he said we shud ask in his name.

anytin that is not done or preached by Christ shud not be encouraged.

pls my sis, there is a clear diff BTW tithe and offering. the act of apostle did offering not tithing. and the offerings served a particular purpose.

do u knw that david at a time limited or stop the work of levite?? even in the book of heb. it was recorded that priesthood bfr Christ is faulty and later proclaimed Christ as the high priest.?


pls anytin u can't find in Christ shud not be encouraged.

I am a Christian. I believe in Christ... The first prophecy about the coming of Christ was made my God himself to adam and eve that the seed of the woman would bruise the head of the devil... If Jesus has finally finished his purpose i.e God's covenant with the patraich.. Den there will be nothing like Rapture or the second coming of Christ or millenia reign of christ or Armageddon or gog and magog.. Infact we all will be immortals right now. No more death in the flesh... Be care wen u bring the parts of the Bible before the law nd classify dem all as under the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, he still av alot to fulfill. He is still coming to reign for 1000years...please just search ur scriptures

salvation101:
I am a Christian. I believe in Christ... The first prophecy about the coming of Christ was made my God himself to adam and eve that the seed of the woman would bruise the head of the devil... If Jesus has finally finished his purpose i.e God's covenant with the patraich.. Den there will be nothing like Rapture or the second coming of Christ or millenia reign of christ or Armageddon or gog and magog.. Infact we all will be immortals right now. No more death in the flesh... Be care wen u bring the parts of the Bible before the law nd classify dem all as under the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, he still av alot to fulfill. He is still coming to reign for 1000years...please just search ur scriptures

attempt the questions and stop beating around the bush.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

pls go straight to the point with ur ans

lonikit:


attempt the questions and stop beating around the bush.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

pls go straight to the point with ur ans

I see u r running away from fact,why den should i keep wasting my time answering you.. I asked u to show me where it was practiced that Jesus collected offerings ytd but u just couldn't nd here u are asking me d same question.. Sorry to disappoint.. I think i av done my best answering u on different threads since ytd.. Its now up to you to decide if you don't want to tithe don't tithe

salvation101:

I see u r running away from fact,why den should i keep wasting my time answering you.. I asked u to show me where it was practiced that Jesus collected offerings ytd but u just couldn't nd here u are asking me d same question.. Sorry to disappoint.. I think i av done my best answering u on different threads since ytd.. Its now up to you to decide if you don't want to tithe don't tithe

offering was given to Christ wen he was born, hope u knw the upper chamber used for pass over wasn't his, Mary Magdalene offered to anoint his feet with expensive oil, wen he died, Joseph to wrapped him in clean white linen. Jesus equally preached it several times. same with the apostles. but show us where he paid or received tithe or where any of the apostles did that.
ur questions are here, react or u apologize to those u have convinced here.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

lonikit:


offering was given to Christ wen he was born, hope u knw the upper chamber used for pass over wasn't his, Mary Magdalene offered to anoint his feet with expensive oil, wen he died, Joseph to wrapped him in clean white linen. Jesus equally preached it several times. same with the apostles. but show us where he paid or received tithe or where any of the apostles did that.
ur questions are here, react or u apologize to those u have convinced here.

was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

how does d gift he received as a child wen he hasn't even learnt talkless of starting his ministry translate into offering? How does the ointment mary poured on his feet translate into offering? I ask u again, offering u are talking about is how funds were raised into the treasury judas was overseeing... Tell me where it was recorded that Jesus collected offering?

I laughed wen u asked about Judaism. Did Abraham practice Judaism? Did Isaac or Jacob practice Judaism? Did dey av any fellowship with God or not? Judaism is the practice pf obeying the law of God given to moses specifically to the nation of Israel.. As a matter of fact, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, grew up practicing all the jewish rites and all the feasts, studied under Jewish teachers, taught in Jewish synagogue, but his ministry are beyond the nation of Israel hence his teaching were strange to ppl of his nation.. By d way, am sure u didn't even know dat not all the 12 tribes in Israel were jews

salvation101:
I laughed wen u asked about Judaism. Did Abraham practice Judaism? Did Isaac or Jacob practice Judaism? Did dey av any fellowship with God or not? Judaism is the practice pf obeying the law of God given to moses specifically to the nation of Israel.. As a matter of fact, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, grew up practicing all the jewish rites and all the feasts, studied under Jewish teachers, taught in Jewish synagogue, but his ministry are beyond the nation of Israel hence his teaching were strange to ppl of his nation.. By d way, am sure u didn't even know dat not all the 12 tribes in Israel were jews

I laff at ur definition of Judaism. u dont even understand the concept. no wonder u cant attempt any of my question. ur ans to the only one u attempted shows that u dont understand it. attempt the rest, dont dodge them
was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

salvation101:
how does d gift he received as a child wen he hasn't even learnt talkless of starting his ministry translate into offering? How does the ointment mary poured on his feet translate into offering? I ask u again, offering u are talking about is how funds were raised into the treasury judas was overseeing... Tell me where it was recorded that Jesus collected offering?

so offering must be in monetary form?? no wonder u couldn't diff BTW tithe and offering

lonikit:


I laff at ur definition of Judaism. u dont even understand the concept. no wonder u cant attempt any of my question. ur ans to the only one u attempted shows that u dont understand it. attempt the rest, dont dodge them
was it recorded that Christ practised tithing?
did any of the apostles practised it?
was it on record that the early church in the act of apostles practised it?
wht is the diff BTW Judaism and Christianity?
wht is the diff BTW tithe and offering?
who brought Christianity and which religion do u practice?
if Jesus and the apostles are the perfect examples, why do we preach wht they never practised??

just tell me any of ur questions i skipped? It would definitely be by omission nd not intentionally..
The difference between Judaism is we are no more bound by the law. Even in the the early church there were two schools of thoughts. All the apostles that studied under Jesus were jews....Apostle paul wasn't even one of the twelve apostles... There were usually disputes between jewish and gentile Christians.. Christians are followers of Jesus, Christianity is following the teachings of Jesus.
Tithe is a 10th of ur wat God blessed u with, offering is any part of wat God blessed u with dat u willingly give out whether to God..
Jesus brought Christianity and i am a Christian

salvation101:
wat do u mean by promise? U mean God didn't av an everlasting covenant with Abraham? Or u don't know dat promises are made in covenant? Where does the Bible say Christ death abolished the covenant of God with Abraham? Christ only fulfilled the law. Abraham existed before the law. I wonder why its so difficult for u to get it.. The Law was given to moses at sinia, moses existed many years after Abraham

The covenant God promised Abraham took effect when Christ rose from the grave.
All He gave Abraham was merely a promise.
The nature of the covenant was Grace.
The everlasting covenant God promised Abraham was the convent of Grace.which became effective after the Resurrection of Christ.
Christains has only one convenant now which is the convenant of Grace
Why is it so hard fou you to grasp?

asuustrike2009:

Are you not aware his agents here?

Yes o

petra1:


Yes o

"Since there is one bread, we [believers] who are many are [united into] one body; for we all partake of the one bread [which represents the body of Christ]."
1 CORINTHIANS 10:17 AMP

We must not forget the fact that differences in opinion does not remove from the FACT that we still belong to one body.

Now, chew on this:
The New Covenant is ALL about Jesus.
Not Jesus plus Melchi.
Not Jesus plus the Law.
Jesus, as our forerunner and highpriest showed the blueprint.
Jesus's death brought into effect the New Covenant with its BETTER PROMISES.
Jesus inaugurated a "New and Living way" for the Christian.
"New" means "New"
The "New" summarized in one word is - GRACE!

But, "today if you hear his voice" that you're under the "New and Living way" and you still "harden your heart" by choosing to return to the old and obsolete way then there remains nothing that can be done for you.

TITHING IS INSIGNIFICANT in the New and Living way in Christ Jesus.

salvation101:
in the early church ppl even gave 100%.. Is it ppl dat cant give 10% dat will give 100%? Ppl sold all dey av nd layed at d apostles feet. If any church should try dat today, it will make news headlines tomorrow morning nd ppl will call the members sheeples and their leaders a yahoo man

Have you given 100% and sold everything?

plainbibletruth:


"Since there is one bread, we [believers] who are many are [united into] one body; for we all partake of the one bread [which represents the body of Christ]."
1 CORINTHIANS 10:17 AMP

We must not forget the fact that differences in opinion does not remove from the FACT that we still belong to one body.

Now, chew on this:
The New Covenant is ALL about Jesus.
Not Jesus plus Melchi.
Not Jesus plus the Law.
Jesus, as our forerunner and highpriest showed the blueprint.
Jesus's death brought into effect the New Covenant with its BETTER PROMISES.
Jesus inaugurated a "New and Living way" for the Christian.
"New" means "New"
The "New" summarized in one word is - GRACE!

But, "today if you hear his voice" that you're under the "New and Living way" and you still "harden your heart" by choosing to return to the old and obsolete way then there remains nothing that can be done for you.

TITHING IS INSIGNIFICANT in the New and Living way in Christ Jesus.

Jesus supported tithing in matt 23:23... Obedience is better than sacrifice.. Am done debating this issue

Goshen360:


Have you given 100% and sold everything?

nope i haven't.... But i tithe and am blessed

salvation101:
Jesus supported tithing in matt 23:23... Obedience is better than sacrifice.. Am done debating this issue

Which tithing did Jesus support; the system you practice today or what the Law specified?

Obedience to what? The New Covenant is what we are to walk in obedience of, AND it did not come into effect until after the death of Jesus (see the book of Hebrews).

A man can SINCERELY drink a colourless and odorless poison as water but sincerity will not save him from the consequence.

A genuine heart should say: How does God want me to GIVE under the New Covenant?

You claim that because you give you're blessed. Those who don't give say they are bleseed. So?

plainbibletruth:


Which tithing did Jesus support; the system you practice today or what the Law specified?

Obedience to what? The New Covenant is what we are to walk in obedience of, AND it did not come into effect until after the death of Jesus (see the book of Hebrews).

A man can SINCERELY drink a colourless and odorless poison as water but sincerity will not save him from the consequence.

A genuine heart should say: How does God want me to GIVE under the New Covenant?

You claim that because you give you're blessed. Those who don't give say they are bleseed. So?

Since u really want us to debate this, tell me the "Bible '' the early Church used... The Berean Christians were called nobel cause deh always went back to read the scriptures... Tell me the Scriptures they read... It will interest u to know that dey only had torah.. Wat we call new testament today was compiled several years after the death of the las apostles read.. U guys are always quick to discredit the old testament otherwise known as Torah... Tell me the scriptures the early church read as Bible

salvation101:
Jesus supported tithing in matt 23:23... Obedience is better than sacrifice.. Am done debating this issue

he supported wht he or his disciples did not practise. oga ooo. we are just gullibe in this part of the world.

no Wonder bible says "my pple perish for lack of knowledge". pple can be holy and stil lack knowledge of the word of God

lonikit:


he supported wht he or his disciples did not practise. oga ooo. we are just gullibe in this part of the world.

no Wonder bible says "my pple perish for lack of knowledge". pple can be holy and stil lack knowledge of the word of God

u err not knowing d scriptures.. Are u inferring dat Jesus who was a jew went against Jewish traditions because his disciples didn't document it in their letters or reports? John himself mentioned that if he was to write all Jesus did, d whole world wouldn't contain the volumes of books dat would av been written....do u mean its only the things on record in d new testament dat Jesus did?

salvation101:
u err not knowing d scriptures.. Are u inferring dat Jesus who was a jew went against Jewish traditions because his disciples didn't document it in their letters or reports? John himself mentioned that if he was to write all Jesus did, d whole world wouldn't contain the volumes of books dat would av been written....do u mean its only the things on record in d new testament dat Jesus did?

u are not in position to condemn me based on my Scriptural knowledge my sis.
I have no business with extra biblical scripts u are talking abt or do u have another bible that reported other activities of Christ four gospels aside other books reported the life of christ yet, non gav account of when he paid or recieved or preached tithe. Paul wrote 13 epistles, it wasn't recorded for ones. he and other apostles spent several years ministering, and it wasnt recorded. my sis, I dont nid ur Extra biblical scripts to knw the truth.

besides, if Jesus had followed the Jewish law, there wudnt have bn Christianity. Judaism wud have continued even with us. most tinz abt Christ went against their (Jewish) law. that was why they plotted his death.