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Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:06pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
truthislight: I was responding to your stupid allegation that I pointing to the fact that your mind is controlled will not Win the argument. Personally I didn't think it was a competition but since you brought it up I told you that the argument had already being won and I was just demonstrating to NL why you argue the way you do. So you brought up the matter of winning first. You! you!! |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by 4kings: 3:13pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
@PastorAIO Actually JW is kinda sick for upholding the biblical 2 witness rule in such cases and that's fu(ked up. There are just too much of an extremist. But on Morality or Cult, i'm still skeptical of how you *portray them as an organisation*. Here are some excerpt from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse#Repentance_and_Discipline]Wikipedia[/url]. If allegations of child abuse satisfy the organization's religious tenets, an internal judicial committee is formed, and the accused individual may potentially be relieved of positions of responsibility in the congregation. Anyone found to have sexually molested a child, based upon the criteria established by the organization, and deemed by the elders to not demonstrate sufficient repentance is disfellowshipped from the congregation and shunned.Atleast there are punishment for offenders found guilty. However: The elders are instructed to gauge the abuser's repentance based upon their subsequent visible support of congregation activities, such as attending congregation meetings, and actively supporting the denomination's door-to-door work. The sustained participation in the group's activities has resulted in sexual predators remaining in good standing in the congregationThis might explain the return of offenders to the church in the first video you posted. And this: An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved", though the nature of their crime is not stated.[26] Such a person is automatically debarred from serving in any appointed position in the congregation, however privileges can be restored in the future depending on whether he or she is deemed by the branch office to be a "known molester".[29] A few weeks later, a talk may be given to the congregation, discussing the type of sin and the need to be on guard against it, but the reproved individual is not named in connection with this talk.[30] It is the intention that the talk about the type of sin, and the previously made announcement of reproof, should allow other congregation members to interpret what type of sin had been committed.[31] When reprimanded, sex offenders may not offer public prayers, read paragraphs during congregation studies, or be given even minor responsibilities in the congregation, such as handling microphones or distributing literature in the Kingdom Hall. I think the main problem is their [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse#.27Two_witness_rule.27]two witness rule.[/url] That's messed up. And i think they should revisit that, but calling them a cult is going to far considering what they've contributed to humanity and their zeal to lead people to "heavenly paradise" despite resistance in most part of the world. This is indeed a complicated situation, but concluding that the JW as an organisation is a cult is just going to far. - My naive opinion. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:26pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
You miss the fact that sex offenses against children are not reported to the police for fear of brings Jehovah's name into reproach. Who told them that Jehovah needs their lies and cover up to save his name from reproach. I call them a cult because their thoughts are policed and they are not free to think what they want. One techniques that Cults employ is that they cut new members off from any emotional support that they may have outside of the cult, and even sometimes from finding emotional support from one another in couple relationships. (e.g. check out 40:00 minutes in the 2nd video where a married couple got disfellowshipped for getting married after they'd been told to stay away from each other). JWs are not allowed to have deep relationships with people outside the cult. Mother's cut off their children and vice verse. It's a common story. You cannot just decide the leave the cult. You're not free to do so. All your loved ones in the cult will cut off contact with you if you do. considering that they've systematically destroyed all your relationships outside the cult those that want to leave are even afraid to because it means being lonely in the world. Many cults employ these techniques. 4kings: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 3:43pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Be sure of what? that you never said you have won and later denied of ever saying such? did i tell you "You have won the argument"? No. I ask you a question with regard to your intent for posting the initial video and you came out to say you had won the argument when Jman05 did not answer your questions. That is not even the point, the point here is that you denied ever saying you have won the argument. Simple. Do you want to turn this one upside down on its head again? Abeg, stop lying and twisting facts. Enjoy. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:49pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
truthislight: Yes, I said I'd won the argument already when you asked if I brought the video to win. I'd won, done and dusted. Now I'm moving on to why your lot are so obtuse and deceitful in argument. And I'm slowly finding out why. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 4:00pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO: It is now at your age that you have heard about JW and wants to investigate them right? Why not bring out their doctrines and examining them here in the light of scriptures and proof them wrong? that would be better and easy for all to see and even open peoples eyes the way Freeze the OAP is opening peoples eyes on Tithing. Your statement that it is now that you at your age you are starting to investigate JW is very suspicious. (He has been online as a mature poster since 2008 hence not a kid). Hence, this Is one of the subtle lies and cunning you employ on the weary naive people. Dont JW knock on your Doors? It is the truth that will save people, hence bring up the truthful Bible teaching and let us learn. I hope i am not even forgetting that you don't even take the bible seriously sef, afteral you belief that the Catholic Church gave us the Bible, I wonder why you will now want to waste your effort to use it to help people. You are better off with PROPAGANDA. Enjoy. Peace. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by 4kings: 4:02pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO:Fine, you win. They're a cult. A cult that give help to humanity at-times. I actually had not seen this other side of the Jehovah's witness, so apologies for my naivety. But i'm still a little bit fidgety about making any "general" assertion. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:07pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
4kings: I'm curious about this help to humanity part that you're talking about. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by 4kings: 4:09pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO:Their charitable works and martyrdom for what they believe in(conversion of people to Christ.) 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:42pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
4kings: Martyrdom does not equate to helping humanity. The dead at Waco, Texas can be called martyrs too. I am not aware of any instances of Jehovah Witnesses doing charity works for humanity, if anything it is their doctrine to NOT do so. If I'm wrong, perhaps you can furnish us with some examples of their charity works. Jehovah’s Witnesses practice no official charitable works for the general public; they have no soup kitchens, no homeless shelters, no shelters for battered women, no educational programs that help people get back into the job market, and don’t even have clothing bins where the homeless can find discarded clothes and blankets. Watchtower 2017 May p.7 "Like the neighborly Samaritan in Jesus’ illustration, we want to help suffering people, including those who are not Witnesses. (Luke 10:33-37) The best way to do so is by sharing the good news with them. “It is important to make clear right away that we are Jehovah’s Witnesses and that our primary mission is to help them spiritually, not materially,” notes an elder who has helped many refugees. “Otherwise, some may associate with us only for personal advantage.”" “There is a kind of giving that is even more important than charity… While he took the lead in helping the poor, healing the sick, and feeding the hungry, Jesus primarily trained his disciples to preach… Why not listen to what Jehovah’s Witnesses have to say the next time they call? They come with a spiritual gift. And they know that this is the best way that they can give to you.“ June 1, 2003, Watchtower https://jwvictims.org/2015/02/28/jehovahs-witnesses-endorse-charitable-works-as-long-as-theyre-performed-by-someone-else/ JW have never given one penny to anybody that is not a JW themselves. and even then the giving is minimal. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 6:08pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Take it up with JW Ogas according to you and leave Nairalanders alone on speaking Hebrews, I did not need to know Hebrew Language before using King James Bible Is that a new condition before i read any translation i like? You will come here dey blow Hebrew for us instead of going to the Bible translators to quarry them you come dey disturb us for Nairaland with Hebrew Language. If you have not been faithful on what is least like accepting what you have posted before on a language i can even read, why should i trust you sef on your Hebrew Language in a language i don't even understand? What we need is to discuss Christian doctrine not to show up that we can speak Hebrew and Greek Language with a wicked heart. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by 4kings: 6:34pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Omo mehnn , Pastor get my time today sha, see me see wahala sha. hehehe PastorAIO:I was coming from the viewpoint of intention; they believe in "love of God" and seek to spread it. Not circumstantial martyrdom. I know they were killed during Hitler's time and currently have issues in South Korea, Russia ,Egypt ... This is new. Hmm, what i've learnt today sha. Did some quick search and was shocked. WTF But i know a JW na. Anyways, i had a wrong impression about them. I really admired their composure and biblical enlightenment, I know someone and a distant relative that are JWs. They always get free places to stay in other countries by their members and the most evangelical ministry(i guess) in the globe and are good guys. My mum use to have their Awake magazine and it was cool. I'm still in shock. Damn. I need to make a good research on JW. I made a fundamental attribution error. Next time, i encounter them i would have a long chat. Do you have more awkward facts about JW? |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 6:35pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
truthislight: You're the one that I am facing here. I don't need to go to any JW ogas. All I know is that they created a bible translation called NWT (new world translation) that is at odds with most other bibles on key points. It is also the official bible of the JW. You don't have to know Hebrew too deep yourself in this day and age of Internet. There are many ancient Hebrew dictionaries and concordances so if you really are serious about learning the bible you have easy access to the original manuscripts in the original languages. Where have I not been faithful? Are you going to resort to lies now? Is it because you asked me whether I want to win by posting a video and I told you that I've already won and the reason for posting the video is to investigate your manner of debating. An attitude that you continue to display up this this your last post. You're trying to avoid the issues. Always ducking and ducking and avoiding the issue. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 6:47pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Omo mehnn , Pastor get my time today sha, see me see wahala sha. hehehe
Homosexuals too were killed during Hitler's time and are persecuted in Russia and possibly Egypt. I don't know about South Korea though. I don't think that there is any martyrdom that is not circumstantial. Nobody chooses to be a martyr. (except maybe Jesus). Do you have more awkward facts about JW? Me sef, I just dey learn. But it explains a lot. There is something in Cult activity called Love-bombing. That is what they do when they want to seduce you into their cult, or when you are new. They 'bomb' you with love and you feel that finally you've found your home, a place with lovely people, god fearing, good people. It takes a few weeks or months before they start to bare their fangs and growl. I'm sure that your JW friends seem very nice to you. Try an experiment. Instead of just listening to everything they say willingly, try asking them some awkward questions and read their facial expression whether they are struggling to maintain the niceness. Ask a really difficult question and see whether or not they turn nasty. Almost as if the niceness is just a reward for your acquiescent attitude, which will be withdrawn if you cease to acquiesce. 4kings: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by 4kings: 7:18pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO:Hmmm, interesting. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 7:29pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO:You're one delusional so and so. You won, done and dusted nada! I have been closely watching and waiting in the wings. I knew when you had JMAN05 by the balls, and waiting for the moment you squeeze it. I saw how you pushed him a cheese clipped to trap, to eat, goading him to have nibble and bite so the trap should spring on him You wounded JMAN05, smelled dripping blood and was waiting to lunge for the kill, but JMAN05 pulled his feeding hands back He being wise, didn't take the bait and so denied you the pleasure of going for a supposedly kill, that's why you scraped the bottom of barrel to drag up that unrelated to the thread's title and OP video to get a pathetic cheap point I was waiting for JMAN05 and truthislight to exhaust all their energies jumping the two swinging ropes a la double dutch style with you before I jump back in to wipe the smirk of your face Like truthislight rightly said, I too, actually was prepared to let matters lie and rest as they were, until you started mouthing off that you've won etcetera. 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 7:34pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO: There is nothing to avoid, the Reason i was in this thread is monotheism, diverting is Derailing. There is nothing strange in what you are posting. Even if i detect a lie on it i will not revert to argue with you cause it is absolutely not necessary. We are in the age of Internet, i can get any information i need. You will rather confront me to argue Hebrew with me. Lol. keep it up. But i know i don't need to know Hebrew language to understand the msg of Everlasting life. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 9:32pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Sometimes it pays to take stuck of things, how did we get here on this thread that Pastor AIO is attacking JW? What was and has been and is Pastor AIO stance and intent, what was his argument all this while on this thread before he decided to become internet collector man? What was his Argument before picking out JW as his stock in thread to attack? The above question is what any discerning and reasonable person should find out to know the sort of person he is. • His argument was to discredit that Moses did not write the Books that are assigned to him as the writer, that what is contained in the first five books of the Bible as we have it is Hogwash and scrappy Since according to him, it talked about Moses death. (ignoring that Joshua was always with him) • That Yahweh claimed Cyrus to be his servant while he did not send or did anything for Cyrus, Implying that the Bible info about Cyrus is unreliable. • That the name of Yahweh was never known by Adam other servants of God before Moses. Implying that Yahweh is a new God in the scene. • That it is an error that the Bible was made available to all sorts of person to have access to, that it should have been left under the control of his likes and lots to use and manipulate people. • That Moses was not inspired as in getting Messages from Yahweh. That Moses inspiration is just like his own inspiration to write a book. Implying that the claim for inspiration for Moses to have written Genesis and the other five books is hogwash. In all, that the bible is never inspired going by his argument. • That the account of Genesis in creation is not Genuine since No one was there and Moses the supposed writer was never inspired by the Almighty. • Since Yahweh was never known before he introduced himself to to Yahweh, He is not the almighty God, he claims. • Claiming that Yahweh is just one of the Canaanites gods and nothing more. • In all, his attack is geared towards the bible and Yahweh to disrepute them. • NO WONDER HE HATES THE JW. Meanwhile, Very well known to him, his effort and intent was quash on this thread and like a drowning person and headless snake whose body have been bruised, with severe anger, is looking for who to transfer his anger and frustrations on those who destroyed his plans here………….. He pounces on What so ever he can see before him, the one he can think of, is that Jman05 is a JW, hence he is attacking the group his narrow mind has told him is the source of the information that was used to neutralized him. Such is the Evil intent. He had Initially started to attack @Muttleylaff, since he could not lay hands on what to attack him on, he is biting on the only object he can see, JW. He never has the interest of the Bible, hence his reasons for attacking people on this thread. I called this the last resort of a frustrated person. His fore bears had done worst than this anyway. |He is a deceitful fellow, looking for more people to turned atheist. Assuming the Likes of Jman05 and Muttleylaff did not refute his erroneous post on this thread, what would have became of some in-experience people reading? no wonder he is angry. An evil man i tell you. he has been in this stuck in thread for only God knows how long. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:46pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Lol!! Abeg re-write all this bovine diarrhoea again and add the reference to where I said the things that you are claiming, otherwise it is just more of your deceitful JW tactics truthislight: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:48pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
truthislight: See tactics!! And all of this could have been avoided if you could just tell us what Ego Eimi means in English and what Ehyer means in English. But no! You prefer to flail about, looking for something to attack me with. How utterly pathetic!! |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 10:41pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
4kings: What Truthislight and jman need is a Crisis of Conscience. Just like Raymond Franz. Who's Raymond Franz? Ray Franz was a Jehovah's witness that rose to the point of becoming a member of the Governing Council. The Governing council is the handful of men that control the entire lives of all the JWs all over the world. Then his conscience pricked him and he exposed the organisation. One thing that he said and can be witness clearly on this thread is that Their man made rules took precedence over the bible. Of course this problem is not only the JWs. You can even find it with the pentecostals as has recently been exposed with this Tithing brouhaha whereby on realising that the bible doesn't support their tithing practice they are so quick to throw the bible in the gutter. anyway, check out some of what Raymond Franz has to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeRnVdr6NbQ 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 10:56pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
I'm finding out about the originator of JW. Apparently the man was quite a seasoned liar. Nooooo Wonder!!! That must be why all this ducking and diving and deceitfulness since the beginning of this thread. 2) Second, Charles Taze Russell was a proven perjurer. In June of 1912, Rev. J.J. Ross of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, published a denunciatory pamphlet about Russell entitled, Some Facts About the Self-styled “pastor” Charles T. Russell. Russell in turn sued Ross for libel. During the trial which took place the following year, Ross’s defense attorney asked Russell if he knew the Greek alphabet. Russell’s reply was “Oh, yes.” When further asked to identify the Greek letters at the top of a page of the Greek Testament handed him, he was unable to do so, finally admitting that he knew nothing of the Greek alphabet. Furthermore, Russell had previously claimed to have been ordained by a recognized religious body. The defense also pressed him on this issue, finally asking point blank: “Now, you never were ordained by a bishop, clergyman, presbytery, council, or any body of men living?” Russell’s answer, after a long pause was, “I never was.” In this trial, therefore, Russell’s deliberate perjury was established beyond a reasonable doubt. (For the entire story of this trial, which includes other examples of Russell’s lying under oath, the reader is referred to p. 18-22 of Martin and Klann, Jehovah of the Watchtower, rev. ed., Grand Rapids, Zondervan, 1959) There is some stuff about ancient Greek in there for Truthislight who seems to get quite excited about the matter.
http://www.thewarfareismental.net/b/2009/01/05/bones-to-pick-with-the-jehovahs-witnesses/ |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by MuttleyLaff: 6:26am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: PastorAIO: MuttleyLaff:[img]https://s1/images/Whistle.gif[/img] You had it coming ... and where is the red card, when you need one So what has all this to do with the thread's title and original post? Like truthislight earlier and rightly said, this has become incredibly obnoxious and irresponsible. Have an axe to grind? OK, then, if you must give vent to your emotions, why not open a new or separate thread, to go retch and vomit all over in? |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 7:57am On Nov 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: He wishes to destroy the Thread so that people will not see the details of the arguments for themselves and deduce, this is after he has claimed winning the thread according to him. When you see an old man becoming a troll. 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:05am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here he started insinuating that Yahweh Was not known before he introduced himself to Moses. PastorAIO: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:09am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: When you go through this, then you will understand the sinister intent he has for the Religion of Christianity, Judaism, And the person of Yahweh. That everything recorded in the Bible is Borrowed. PastorAIO: 1 Like |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:18am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here he is implying that this prophesy of Yahweh supporting Cyrus to subdue nations is Hogwash and scrappy. Implying that the Bible is falsehood, and Yahweh lies. Such is the plans of This Christian Pastor AIO for The Bible and The God of the Bible PastorAIO: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:22am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here he argues that Yahweh was claiming Cyrus while Yahweh never help Cyrus for anything as claimed in the Bible. PastorAIO: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:38am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here we go again, the red contains his statement of note PastorAIO: He sets out to out-rightly discredit Yahweh and the bible, Is there any wonder the he is attacking JW also Since he can verify that Jman05 is a JW? His evil intent and sinister plot is very obvious. this is how his likes and the others of his kind in the past have been killing people because the entertain a different view concerning the Bible other than the ones they entertain. The reason for the attack is very clear. He is trying to hide his ancient evil actions and plans all along by saying he is investigating JW, for where! He is an ancient mouth piece of the Hater group. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:41am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: PastorAIO: |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 8:56am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here he insinuated that moses never wrote the Book of Genesis PastorAIO: If Moses naver wrote the Book of Genesis, it implies that the account of creation recorded there is not reliable. Do you see the evil mouth piece? If you leave him he will deny that he ever wrote the above. He will always present falsehoods as though they are facts. |
Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by truthislight: 9:02am On Nov 21, 2017 |
PastorAIO: Here he is making the argument that since Yahweh first introduced himself to Moses at Exodus, it is false that Set is recorded as calling on the name of the Lord. Because it was argued with him that the Exodus account was about the meaning of the name of Yahweh, he blew his top and got mental as we are seeing in him ongoing. The link that was used to substantiate that argument was from JW link, that is why he is attacking JW. PastorAIO: |
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