lonikit:


u are not in position to condemn me based on my Scriptural knowledge my sis.
I have no business with extra biblical scripts u are talking abt or do u have another bible that reported other activities of Christ four gospels aside other books reported the life of christ yet, non gav account of when he paid or recieved or preached tithe. Paul wrote 13 epistles, it wasn't recorded for ones. he and other apostles spent several years ministering, and it wasnt recorded. my sis, I dont nid ur Extra biblical scripts to knw the truth.

besides, if Jesus had followed the Jewish law, there wudnt have bn Christianity. Judaism wud have continued even with us. most tinz abt Christ went against their (Jewish) law. that was why they plotted his death.s

den u don't even know wat Christianity is.. The word was Christian was a nickname for disciples of Jesus Christ. The Bible has record of paul disputing wit jews in the synagogue. Wat was he doing in the synagogue? Jesus drove out ppl selling nd buying in the Temple nd called it his father's house, i must av overrated ur knowledge since u didn't even know dat d only word of God available as at the time of paul was the Torah.. His letters nd letters of other disciples were collated by Christian fathers long after their death. Just help ur self and study about how the canon of the new testament was collated their many more books if u must know but didn't meet the requirements of the Christian fathers to be added with the torah which is tye old testament nd is still complete nd unaltered.. If the early Christians and the apostles revered the torah, who are you to say it has been done away with?

salvation101:


Since u really want us to debate this, tell me the "Bible '' the early Church used... The Berean Christians were called nobel cause deh always went back to read the scriptures... Tell me the Scriptures they read... It will interest u to know that dey only had torah.. Wat we call new testament today was compiled several years after the death of the las apostles read.. U guys are always quick to discredit the old testament otherwise known as Torah... Tell me the scriptures the early church read as Bible

I've said it over and over again: It's not about winning arguments. It's about knowing and ACCEPTING God's view on any issue.

It's amazing how you want to jump from one issue to another aimlessly.

It's equally interesting how you ACCUSE others of what they have not done.

We're on TITHING and suddenly you want to go to which Bible the early church read. What have the two got in common?

No one is discrediting the Old Testament yet you're claiming that we're doing so. That's a false accusation.

See what Apostle Paul said: "I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12.

He then went on to say: "For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it." Galatians 1:13.

Did you see that Jesus Christ taught him?
Did you see that he said he had PREVIOUS WAY OF LIFE in Judaism?

What do all these amount to? I believe you're brilliant enough to figure it out.

So, when we say the Christian is under a new system WHICH WAS A MYSTERY to those who lived under the old systems why is it difficult for many of you to see?

Paul again:
"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." Ephesians 3:9

"I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people." Colossians 1: 25-26.

It was the Apostles that revealed church-age doctrines. Yes, there are lots of things we can learn from the old BUT the old does not constitute the NORM for the New Covenant.

That is why, when it comes to TITHING this understanding guides the Christian who cares to see.

plainbibletruth:


I've said it over and over again: It's not about winning arguments. It's about knowing and ACCEPTING God's view on any issue.

It's amazing how you want to jump from one issue to another aimlessly.

It's equally interesting how you ACCUSE others of what they have not done.

We're on TITHING and suddenly you want to go to which Bible the early church read. What have the two got in common?

No one is discrediting the Old Testament yet you're claiming that we're doing so. That's a false accusation.

See what Apostle Paul said: "I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12.

He then went on to say: "For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it." Galatians 1:13.

Did you see that Jesus Christ taught him?
Did you see that he said he had PREVIOUS WAY OF LIFE in Judaism?

What do all these amount to? I believe you're brilliant enough to figure it out.

So, when we say the Christian is under a new system WHICH WAS A MYSTERY to those who lived under the old systems why is it difficult for many of you to see?

Paul again:
"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." Ephesians 3:9

"I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people." Colossians 1: 25-26.

It was the Apostles that revealed church-age doctrines. Yes, there are lots of things we can from the old BUT the old does not constitute the NORM for the New Covenant.

That is why, when it comes to TITHING this understanding guides the Christian who cares to see.

I asked you which bible the early Christians in new testament era read because you are making it seem like they read matt, mark luke John in their days...u say they never tithed based on wat ur see in wat we call today as new testament but as a matter of fact they only had the Torah and were obedient to it because Jesus never taught them to rebel against the scriptures... To have a peek into the life of the early Christians u should answer what scriptures dey followed as at then became they never had Matt - Revelation

salvation101:


I asked you which bible the early Christians in new testament era read because you are making it seem like they read matt, mark luke John in their days...u say they never tithed based on wat ur see in wat we call today as new testament but as a matter of fact they only had the Torah and were obedient to it because Jesus never taught them to rebel against the scriptures... To have a peek into the life of the early Christians u should answer what scriptures dey followed as at then became they never had Matt - Revelation

Don't let me think that COMPREHENSION is a problem for you.

Your answer lies in working out what i wrote in my post which is:

What do all these amount to? I believe you're brilliant enough to figure it out.

So, go back to the post and you will be able to see it.

plainbibletruth:


Don't let me think that COMPREHENSION is a problem for you.

Your answer lies in working out what i wrote in my post which is:


So, go back to the post and you will be able to see it.

needless jabs. I sited Matt 23:23 where Jesus supported the pharisees payment of tithes u guys were quick to say it was meant for only the pharisee nd i should point more scriptures in d new testament (dat hadn't even existed during the early church) where it was recorded dat he early disciples paid tithe.. I den told you it was impossible that they wouldn't av paid tithe because their only scripture as at dat time dey used in the early church was the same torah these pharisees read and practice albeit according to the teachings of their master

Goshen360:


Have you given 100% and sold everything?

Abeg help me ask her.
Funny thing is she's now focus on GIVING more than PAYING.
Presumed she knows the difference.

salvation101:
nope i haven't.... But i tithe and am blessed

I don't tithe but a giver, im more blessed than those who tithe and plus, I still give money to friends and family members who say they tithe. What do you say about that?

salvation101:
Its the last days and the recent attacks on the church and its leadership doesn't come as a surprise. The Bible says in the last days men would not be able to endure sound doctrines but shall heap to themselves teachers cos of their itching ears. It simply means that people will listen to teachers who teach subjects that appeals to their bias or sentiments... How else can u explain someone(who previously has only been popular for wrong controversial reasons) overnight just start a movement and now ppl takes all he says seriously if not simply for d fact dat wat he says appeals to their bias..

To say Jesus didn't say anything in support of tithing is totally false.. Here is Jesus statement in matt23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23 KJV

Incase you didn't understand that last sentence, here is another version..

“It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful. These are the things you should do. And you should also continue to do those other things.
Matthew 23:23 ERV
Now to say Jesus abolished tithing and offering is totally wrong..

Firstly you are a sheeple. The fact that what you have believed in and followed for years could be wrong puts a lot of other things you blindly believe in into question.

A lot of effort has been used to highlight Jesus support for tithing by hinging the doctrine on Jesus statement in Matthew 23:23. Firstly it is important to note that he classed tithes as a less important matter under the law in that very statement. He also stated they were weightier or heavier matters in the law that needed attention. It is important to note that Jesus supported many other things under the law. In Luke 17:12-14 when dealing with the lepers who he healed, he sent them to the priest to confirm they were healed as stated in Leviticus chapter 14 & 15. Jesus also respected the Passover (Matthew 26:17)

• Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier MATTERS OF THE LAW, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

• Matthew 26:17 (KJV)
17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that WE PREPARE FOR THEE TO EAT THE PASSOVER?

Goshen360:


I don't tithe but a giver, im more blessed than those who tithe and plus, I still give money to friends and family members who say they tithe. What do you say about that?

john Rockefeller the first American billionaire never played with his tithe.. Wat i would say to you is exactly what Rev Ken Hagin said..if u don't believe in tithing do not tithe cos without faith you won't receive any blessings for it

Maximus82:


Firstly you are a sheeple. The fact that what you have believed in and followed for years could be wrong puts a lot of other things you blindly believe in into question.

A lot of effort has been used to highlight Jesus support for tithing by hinging the doctrine on Jesus statement in Matthew 23:23. Firstly it is important to note that he classed tithes as a less important matter under the law in that very statement. He also stated they were weightier or heavier matters in the law that needed attention. It is important to note that Jesus supported many other things under the law. In Luke 17:12-14 when dealing with the lepers who he healed, he sent them to the priest to confirm they were healed as stated in Leviticus chapter 14 & 15. Jesus also respected the Passover (Matthew 26:17)

• Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier MATTERS OF THE LAW, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

• Matthew 26:17 (KJV)
17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that WE PREPARE FOR THEE TO EAT THE PASSOVER?

I am glad to be called a sheeple and not a goatie.. Jesus called his followers sheep and the unbelievers goats...
Now u said Jesus classified tithes as less important wch has been wat av been saying. Justice and mercy are the more important but because something is less important or not as important than the others doesn't mean you should stop. Now u telling me that Jesus practicing Jewish laws only buttress wat av been saying to all these folks who said the old testament speaks to only the jews

salvation101:
john Rockefeller the first American billionaire never played with his tithe.. Wat i would say to you is exactly what Rev Ken Hagin said..if u don't believe in tithing do not tithe cos without faith you won't receive any blessings for it

dont deceive ursef my sis, tithing doesn't make u rich or poor. contentment is the motto. Jesus told the rich to see his property and give to the poor and follow him, he pronounced salvation upon zaccheaus immediately, he said " half of my goods I giv to the poor..."

as a matter of fact, bill gate spend larger percent of his fortune on charity. Qatar is presently the richest country and they are Muslims. those who control our economy are mostly pagans and Muslims. Jesus never supported tithing my sis. dont argue to win but to learn

salvation101:
needless jabs. I sited Matt 23:23 where Jesus supported the pharisees payment of tithes u guys were quick to say it was meant for only the pharisee nd i should point more scriptures in d new testament (dat hadn't even existed during the early church) where it was recorded dat he early disciples paid tithe.. I den told you it was impossible that they wouldn't av paid tithe because their only scripture as at dat time dey used in the early church was the same torah these pharisees read and practice albeit according to the teachings of their master

if u say the disciples used Torah in the early chrch then, I'm glad to inform u that u dont knw wht u are saying or maybe u don't knw wht was Torah. u only ague to win not to learn.

salvation101:
just tell me any of ur questions i skipped? It would definitely be by omission nd not intentionally..
The difference between Judaism is we are no more bound by the law. Even in the the early church there were two schools of thoughts. All the apostles that studied under Jesus were jews....Apostle paul wasn't even one of the twelve apostles... There were usually disputes between jewish and gentile Christians.. Christians are followers of Jesus, Christianity is following the teachings of Jesus.
Tithe is a 10th of ur wat God blessed u with, offering is any part of wat God blessed u with dat u willingly give out whether to God..
Jesus brought Christianity and i am a Christian

u have not answered all. I wish u can then, I explain some part u are missing.

salvation101:
u err not knowing d scriptures.. Are u inferring dat Jesus who was a jew went against Jewish traditions because his disciples didn't document it in their letters or reports? John himself mentioned that if he was to write all Jesus did, d whole world wouldn't contain the volumes of books dat would av been written....do u mean its only the things on record in d new testament dat Jesus did?

yes. Jesus practically went against Jewish tradition and that was why he was crucified. tell me if Im missing it.

salvation101:

I am glad to be called a sheeple and not a goatie.. Jesus called his followers sheep and the unbelievers goats...
Now u said Jesus classified tithes as less important wch has been wat av been saying. Justice and mercy are the more important but because something is less important or not as important than the others doesn't mean you should stop. Now u telling me that Jesus practicing Jewish laws only buttress wat av been saying to all these folks who said the old testament speaks to only the jews

Unfortunately sheeple does not mean a follower of Christ doctrines but a follower of the doctrines of men. Christ was a Jew and not a gentile. He also came to fulfill the law which has been done away with. Tithing was for the Jews, the same way circumcision was for the Jews only (please note circumcision is now of no use spiritually). The point is they were other aspects of the law in which Jesus fulfiled.

If the modern preacher states that tithes is not a necessity, then why the continuous link to blessings from the Tithe? Christ bore the curse of the law the Bible declares.

Have you ever asked yourself the simple question, why did Jesus come? The teaching of the day links almost all blessings apart from salvation to financial seed, which leaves the question on why did Jesus come? The bible says a sign of the curse on Adam was that the ground would bring forth thorns and Thistles (Gen 3:17&18). Adams labour was meant to be rigorous and tedious because of his sin. According to three Canonical versions of the crucifixion, a crown of thorns was placed on Jesus head symbolising that he took upon himself the curse of Adam. (Matt 27:29 Mark 15:17, John 19, 2 &5). If Christ bore the curse, then how can the tithe supersede the work of the cross? Which is greater, the finished work of the cross or the tithe.

• Genesis 3:17-18 (KJV)
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

• Mark 15:17 (KJV)
17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,

Be blessed, wake up to the freedom of no condemnation in Christ and take your Christian walk to another level.

salvation101:
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Hebrews 7:1‭-‬19 KJV

Many do not even know tithing preceded the law, Tithe is more than a act, its a covenant. You can see that dis single act of Abraham was credited to Levi his great grandson.. It was more than an act of giving..

Jacob tithed too
And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the Lord is in this place; and I knew it not. And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven. And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. And he called the name of that place Beth–el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
Genesis 28:13‭-‬22 KJV
Tithing like many of the principles in Christianity has to do with faith. If u don't believe in tithing, do not tithe. In economics(human wisdom), u increase by withholding but in God's wisdom u increase by giving.. First of all, give ur sef to God den giving ur resources for the work of the kingdom wont be difficult. In d early church there was a time dat ppl sold their properties and laid at d feet of the Apostles.. Dey gave 100% not even 10%...

The First American billionaire John Rockefeller was a notorious tither and till date his family is still one of the richest in d world, dey own IITA in ibadan and businesses all over the world. Colgate too owns one of the biggest pharmaceutical in d world and he was giving more than 10% to God. If u believe in it, it will work for you. If you don't believe in it den don't pay... I recommend anyone who sincerely wants to know more to go and read MIDAS TOUCH by Rev Kenneth E Hagin.

Many other things came before the law and were also mentioned in the law or polished in the law. These other practices are all done away with and are classed as part of the law even though they also came before the law. The same way Christians religiously circumcise their sons even though it is of no use under the New Testament, is the same way people religiously tithe.

A. CLEAN AND UNCLEAN beast (Before the law GEN 7:2 & GEN 8:20 in the law LEV 11)

• Genesis 7:2 (KJV)
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
• Genesis 8:20 (KJV)
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
• Leviticus 11:2 (KJV)
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.


B. CIRCUMCISION: (Before the law GEN 21:1-4, in the law LEV 12:3)

• Genesis 21:4 (KJV)
4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.
• Leviticus 12:2 (KJV)
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
• Leviticus 12:3 (KJV)
3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


C. BURNT OFFERINGS/ NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SIN OR TRESSPASS OFFERINGS: (Before the law GEN 8:20, In the law EX 20:24 & LEV 1:10-11)

• Genesis 8:20 (KJV)
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
• Exodus 20:24 (KJV)
24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
• Exodus 18:12 (KJV)
12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.


Over to your other points you raised of notable people who tithe, I can mention quite a few who I actually know. Your top shots accross the world do not tithe and they are but a handful of tithers when it comes to the super rich. You cannot make a doctrine out of such invalid stats. It's like saying we should be born again because a Hollywood star is. Truth is they are about 3000 Hollywood stars who aren't saved. When it comes to prospering there is one simple God given principle.
Your view conveys the message that tithing and other forms of extreme giving guarantee huge returns. The only person guaranteed a return in the prosperity doctrine is the preacher. The Bible clearly says that a man diligent in what he does, he ends up before great men (PROV 22:29). God blesses the works of our hands and that which he has called us to. Our diligence opens doors. The richest people on earth are not your tithers etc but those who are masters in their fields.

I don't want to sound rude, but the people you see on TV, I hang out with them. The mega preachers you rant on about, I speak to them almost weekly, but sadly it's a scam when it comes to finances. I'm talking of your mega preachers you all watch on satellite or cable TV, depending on what you call it down there. That's why I'm sad with sheeple. They are times I'm in a place and I hear sheeple defending people they don't know etc and their only view on the person they are defending is from a media source i.e TV etc. Let's face it, these are media ministries and the media are more than capable of pushing views they want seen out. Apart from Reinhard Bonnke, most of the rest are there for money and nothing else. How do I know, I work with them but sadly your programmed minds won't even let you receive that.

Have you ever asked yourself who Jacob tithes to? Think on that one.

Maximus82:


Many other things came before the law and were also mentioned in the law or polished in the law. These other practices are all done away with and are classed as part of the law even though they also came before the law. The same way Christians religiously circumcise their sons even though it is of no use under the New Testament, is the same way people religiously tithe.

. CLEAN AND UNCLEAN beast (Before the law GEN 7:2 & GEN 8:20 in the law LEV 11)

• Genesis 7:2 (KJV)
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
• Genesis 8:20 (KJV)
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
• Leviticus 11:2 (KJV)
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.


B. CIRCUMCISION: (Before the law GEN 21:1-4, in the law LEV 12:3)

• Genesis 21:4 (KJV)
4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.
• Leviticus 12:2 (KJV)
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
• Leviticus 12:3 (KJV)
3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


C. BURNT OFFERINGS/ NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SIN OR TRESSPASS OFFERINGS: (Before the law GEN 8:20, In the law EX 20:24 & LEV 1:10-11)

• Genesis 8:20 (KJV)
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
• Exodus 20:24 (KJV)
24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
• Exodus 18:12 (KJV)
12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.

firstly what you should think about is the significance of the things and ordinance you mentions. There are types and shadow of christ in the bible . we must know the difference between what christ has fulfilled and what is applicable . Burn offerings ,circumsicion are fulfilled in christ .The kingdom of God runs on spiritual principles . some kingdom principles are revealed or polished in the law as you stated. we still do them ,not because the law says so but because they are principles . Principles transcend dispensations.

to your other points you raised of notable people who tithe, I can mention quite a few who I actually know. Your top shots accross the world do not tithe and they are but a handful of tithers when it comes to the super rich. You cannot make a doctrine out of such invalid stats. It's like saying we should be born again because a Hollywood star is. Truth is they are about 3000 Hollywood stars who aren't saved. When it comes to prospering there is one simple God given principle.

Far from it . we are not in competition with the world. YOUR success in life is fulfilling destiny either with the peasant or kings

view conveys the message that tithing and other forms of extreme giving guarantee huge returns. The only person guaranteed a return in the prosperity doctrine is the preacher

the giver receives , thats scripture

The Bible clearly says that a man diligent in what he does, he ends up before great men (PROV 22:29). God blesses the works of our hands and that which he has called us to. Our diligence opens doors. The richest people on earth are not your tithers etc but those who are masters in their fields.

Sure ,some truth there

I don't want to sound rude, but the people you see on TV, I hang out with them. The mega preachers you rant on about, I speak to them almost weekly, but sadly it's a scam when it comes to finances. I'm talking of your mega preachers you all watch on satellite or cable TV, depending on what you call it down there. That's why I'm sad with sheeple. They are times I'm in a place and I hear sheeple defending people they don't know etc and their only view on the person they are defending is from a media source i.e TV etc. Let's face it, these are media ministries and the media are more than capable of pushing views they want seen out. Apart from Reinhard Bonnke, most of the rest are there for money and nothing else. How do I know, I work with them but sadly your programmed minds won't even let you receive that.

Thats you opinion. So Kumuyi and the rest are stealing. you're not only rude and wrong. you're sinning. because its God who sees everyman motive and intention. he's the righteous judge . There could be fale ministers but its not you or you measure of judgement that will determine that. jesus was see as false by some . you see from the color of your glass. the fact that someone may be false does not nullify principle. even if a pastor steal money . does that make giving to god invalid?. Dealing with a mans error id different from dealing with a principle. if past administration misuse our taxes , does that make taxation wrong ?

you ever asked yourself who Jacob tithes to? Think on that one.

its not who he paid to that counts but that tithing still runs in his generation.

lonikit:

if u say the disciples used Torah in the early chrch then, I'm glad to inform u that u dont knw wht u are saying or maybe u don't knw wht was Torah. u only ague to win not to learn.

i wished to be proved wrong. Wat scripture was used by the early church even according to the new testament

lonikit:


yes. Jesus practically went against Jewish tradition and that was why he was crucified. tell me if Im missing it.

you got it wrong. Jesus was crucified out of Jealousy and because he claimed he was the coming messiah wch dey see as blasphemy

spare us all this big grammar and show us where the apostles received tithes from anyone

salvation101:
i wished to be proved wrong. Wat scripture was used by the early church even according to the new testament

its the torah of course. paul even quote the law to them gentiles sometimes. the content of the law has godly principle . its only wrong to seek righteousness through the law . it came as gift . thats all . every condemnation of the law has to do with seeking justification by it

petra1:


its the torah of course. paul even quote the law to them gentiles sometimes. the content of the law has godly principle . its only wrong to seek righteousness through the law . it came as gift . thats all . every condemnation of the law has to do with seeking justification by it

As long as the early church never tithed we are not also required to practise tithing

petra1:




firstly what you should think about is the significance of the things and ordinance you mentions. There are types and shadow of christ in the bible . we must know the difference between what christ has fulfilled and what is applicable . Burn offerings ,circumsicion are fulfilled in christ .The kingdom of God runs on spiritual principles . some kingdom principles are revealed or polished in the law as you stated. we still do them ,not because the law says so but because they are principles . Principles transcend dispensations.



Far from it . we are not in competition with the world. YOUR success in life is fulfilling destiny either with the peasant or kings



the giver receives , thats scripture



some truth there


Thats you opinion. So Kumuyi and the rest are stealing. you're not only rude and wrong. you're sinning. because its God who sees everyman motive and intention. he's the righteous judge . There could be fale ministers but its not you or you measure of judgement that will determine that. jesus was see as false by some . you see from the color of your glass. the fact that someone may be false does not nullify principle. even if a pastor steal money . does that make giving to god invalid?. Dealing with a mans error id different from dealing with a principle. if past administration misuse our taxes , does that make taxation wrong ?



its not who he paid to that counts but that tithing still runs in his generation.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Kumuyi is really small on the global scale. On the international scene, pastor Ayo, bishop oyedepo and pastor Chris are on top. As I said, I'm fully in house. Pastor Kumuyi cannot enter a room where the main figureheads in Pentecostals Christianity reigns. He is a good guy but he is low on the pecking order of international Pentecostalism if I can use this term.

Maximus82:



Sorry to burst your bubble but Kumuyi is really small on the global scale. On the international scene, pastor Ayo, bishop oyedepo and pastor Chris are on top. As I said, I'm fully in house. Pastor Kumuyi cannot enter a room where the main figureheads in Pentecostals Christianity reigns. He is a good guy but he is low on the parking order of international Pentecostalism if I can use this term.

sorry to digress but what really is the rationale for all this rankings?

Maximus82:



Unfortunately sheeple does not mean a follower of Christ doctrines but a follower of the doctrines of men. Christ was a Jew and not a gentile. He also came to fulfill the law which has been done away with. Tithing was for the Jews, the same way circumcision was for the Jews only (please note circumcision is now of no use spiritually). The point is they were other aspects of the law in which Jesus fulfiled.

If the modern preacher states that tithes is not a necessity, then why the continuous link to blessings from the Tithe? Christ bore the curse of the law the Bible declares.

Have you ever asked yourself the simple question, why did Jesus come? The teaching of the day links almost all blessings apart from salvation to financial seed, which leaves the question on why did Jesus come? The bible says a sign of the curse on Adam was that the ground would bring forth thorns and Thistles (Gen 3:17&18). Adams labour was meant to be rigorous and tedious because of his sin. According to three Canonical versions of the crucifixion, a crown of thorns was placed on Jesus head symbolising that he took upon himself the curse of Adam. (Matt 27:29 Mark 15:17, John 19, 2 &5). If Christ bore the curse, then how can the tithe supersede the work of the cross? Which is greater, the finished work of the cross or the tithe.

• Genesis 3:17-18 (KJV)
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

• Mark 15:17 (KJV)
17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,

Be blessed, wake up to the freedom of no condemnation in Christ and take your Christian walk to another level.

fortunately i consider being called a sheeple a complement. Now you mentioned that Christ fulfilled the law which i also agree with but bringing all dat happened before the law as part of the law i disagree.. Has Jesus finally completed his mission on earth? If so, why does death still have power over the flesh? Why do women still go tru pain of labor? Why did paul look forward to the time our mortality will put on immortality? Are we in that time already?

Maximus82:

Sorry to burst your bubble but Kumuyi is really small on the global scale. On the international scene, pastor Ayo, bishop oyedepo and pastor Chris are on top. As I said, I'm fully in house. Pastor Kumuyi cannot enter a room where the main figureheads in Pentecostals Christianity reigns. He is a good guy but he is low on the parking order of international Pentecostalism if I can use this term.

that is a carnal assessment. you don't rate ministers . its only god who has the scale based on callings. well thats your view and opinion anyway and you're entitled to it. but if you have to deal with facts and statistics you cant call Kumuyi small. he has one of the largest followership in the world .

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firstly what you should think about is the significance of the things and ordinance you mentions. There are types and shadow of christ in the bible . we must know the difference between what christ has fulfilled and what is applicable . Burn offerings ,circumsicion are fulfilled in christ .The kingdom of God runs on spiritual principles . some kingdom principles are revealed or polished in the law as you stated. we still do them ,not because the law says so but because they are principles . Principles transcend dispensations.



Far from it . we are not in competition with the world. YOUR success in life is fulfilling destiny either with the peasant or kings



the giver receives , thats scripture



some truth there


Thats you opinion. So Kumuyi and the rest are stealing. you're not only rude and wrong. you're sinning. because its God who sees everyman motive and intention. he's the righteous judge . There could be fale ministers but its not you or you measure of judgement that will determine that. jesus was see as false by some . you see from the color of your glass. the fact that someone may be false does not nullify principle. even if a pastor steal money . does that make giving to god invalid?. Dealing with a mans error id different from dealing with a principle. if past administration misuse our taxes , does that make taxation wrong ?



its not who he paid to that counts but that tithing still runs in his generation.


You also didn't answer the points. I sit with your so called mentors daily and before God and man they all see the sheeple like yourself as fools. Sad but true. How does the tithe correlate with the finish work of the cross? My points were answers to the person before me( not sure if it's you). You are not obligated to pay tithes in the new testament.. you don't understand what happened at the cross and that's why for a person like yourself, without admitting it, you link blessings in your life to the tithe. The very thing Martin Luther fought to shatter has been applied to other areas of tour life. You are still religiously bound, the same way your parents were bound and curcumcised you on the 8th day. Go home, take your trousers off and ask yourself, why was I circumcised? Same applies to your tithes. A person controlled by a religious spirit doesn't know he's under one. You can't even pray to God to show you if the so called men of God are real or not, you couldn't. You operate in fear and haven't known the glorious liberty in Christ. As a man or maybe woman, ask yourself, would I circumcise my make child? I bet you would and do it religiously but are in denial.

PaChukwudi44:


As long as the early church never tithed we are not also required to practise tithing

as long AS THERE IS a high priest we are required to tithe

salvation101:
fortunately i consider being called a sheeple a complement. Now you mentioned that Christ fulfilled the law which i also agree with but bringing all dat happened before the law as part of the law i disagree.. Has Jesus finally completed his mission on earth? If so, why does death still have power over the flesh? Why do women still go tru pain of labor? Why did paul look forward to the time our mortality will put on immortality? Are we in that time already?

Bros Jesus has fulfilled the law shikena.The law of moses is has been dead for over 2000 years now.

petra1:


that is a carnal assessment. you don't rate ministers . its only god who has the scale based on callings. well thats your view and opinion anyway and you're entitled to it. but if you have to deal with facts and statistics you cant call Kumuyi small. he has one of the largest followership in the world .

95% of global Christians haven't heard of him. It's only in Nigeria we hear of some of these names. I know, I used to be there back in the days.