MightySparrow:
Tithing started with Melchizedek and Abraham later commanded to Israelites and many more things. Like sacrifice started with Cain and Abel etc.
Show from the scriptures when Melchizedek ran an orphanage.

Maybe with first appearance in the bible, tithing did start with Melchizedek and Abraham
However, the truth is, neither started tithing, it was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era

petra1:
freewill donations was under the law as well. same principles in different generations. tithes, offerings, freewill, alms, fasting, praying etc. its parallel.

you can't take one and condemn the other except there specific scripture that says otherwise

You should be sticking to all the laws, then
Example:
Don't put a razor to your beard
Don't touch your missus when she is doing her monthly period

MuttleyLaff:
You should be sticking to all the laws, then
Example:
Don't put a razor to your beard
Don't touch your missus when she is doing her monthly period

The types and shadows of the law were fulfilled in christ. the unclean things represents the gentiles who are now clean. Christ is our sin offering etc. but tithes has no shadow besides it existed before the law

petra1:
The types and shadows of the law were fulfilled in christ. the unclean things represents the gentiles who are now clean.
Christ is our sin offering etc
but tithes has no shadow besides it existed before the law

Oh oh, so why then are you are you putting offering together with tithing.

You can't eat your cake, and have it too Petra1

petra1:


freewill donations was under the law as well. same principles in different generations. tithes ,offerings,freewill ,alms ,fasting,praying etc. its parallel . you can't take one and condemn the other except there specific scripture that says otherwise

do you agree it is wrong to threaten people with ruin just to scare them into paying tithe?

petra1:
freewill donations was under the law as well. same principles in different generations. tithes ,offerings,freewill ,alms ,fasting,praying etc. its parallel . you can't take one and condemn the other except there specific scripture that says otherwise

gabe:
Do you agree it is wrong to threaten people with ruin just to scare them into paying tithe?

Petra1 is not following, pratising and adhering to the Levitical type of tithing
He is following, pratising and adhering to the Abraham type of tithing, and this has no scaremongering associated with it

MuttleyLaff:


Petra1 is not following, pratising and adhering to the Levitical type of tithing
He is following, pratising and adhering to the Abraham type of tithing, and this has no scaremongering associated with it

No, Petra1 is confused, jumping from levitical tithe to Abraham just whenever it's okay and convenient as long as he can win an argument. He will make reckless statement like "tithe is tithe". Ask him is Abraham tithe same as Levitical tithe? He goes....it's the same principles ....lmbo � � �

gabe:
do you agree it is wrong to threaten people with ruin just to scare them into paying tithe?

no one needs to threaten anybody . everyone has right to obey and disobey God. its not personal , if a preacher warns accoording to scripture thats not threat. if you announce the wages of sin is death its not a threat its scripture.

Goshen360:

as long as he can win an argument.

Wrong sir. if i win the argument on a lie. is that not a sin? let truth win. i post my convictions

will make reckless statement like "tithe is tithe". Ask him is Abraham tithe same as Levitical tithe? He goes....it's the same principles ....lmbo � � �

but tithe is tithe offering is offering. i think its insincere just to condemn offerings you now beging to ask about wave ,heave and burnt offering. its not the HOW but the WHAT. offering is what we offer .either its money or material

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=62620930]Maybe with first appearance in the bible, tithing did start with Melchizedek and Abraham
However, the truth is, neither started tithing, it was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era[/quoote].

Well said, Abraham himself was a Syrian. Melchizedek? , no one knows. Except that Bible tells us he was he may not have been part of this world. So the tithing may have started from Mesopotamia and later approved by Judaism as a standard.

5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: Deut. 26: 5
(Tithing issue down the passage)

Sacrifice, prayer, altar building etc did not start or firstly commanded by God. Man wanted to reach God after their being ousted from Eden.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Gen. 4: 26.

Man's quest to reach God led them to these, and most of these things were standardized in the Law of Moses
I would rather say, there was a period of religion development in middle East.
So tithing like sacrice and prayers, are not strange to any one religion, like tithing also, have their beginnings from man.

Goshen360:
No, Petra1 is confused, jumping from levitical tithe to Abraham just whenever it's okay and convenient as long as he can win an argument

petra1:
Wrong sir. if i win the argument on a lie. is that not a sin?
let truth win. i post my convictions

Your convictions are not on firm ground

Goshen360:
He will make reckless statement like "tithe is tithe".
Ask him is Abraham tithe same as Levitical tithe? He goes....it's the same principles ....lmbo � � �

petra1:
but tithe is tithe offering is offering

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

In the light of Malachi 3:8 above showing a sharp distinction between tithes and offerings, where they are separated and individually mentioned
I am sure you know that saying "tithe offering is offering" is another reckless statement you are making

petra1:
i think its insincere just to condemn offerings you now beging to ask about wave, heave and burnt offering.
its not the HOW but the WHAT.
Offering is what we offer. Either its money or material

The Burnt Offering (i.e. elaborated in Leviticus 1)
The Meat Offering (i.e. elaborated in Leviticus 2)
The Peace Offering (i.e. elaborated in Leviticus 3)
The Sin Offering (i.e. elaborated in Leviticus 4)
The Trespass/Guilt Offering (i.e. elaborated in Leviticus 5)

As can be seen above, those are the five separate and distinct offerings of Levitical sacrificial system.

Now, other offerings like the thank offerings, drink offerings, wave offerings and heave offerings including those made for a vow (called votive); are each mentioned in the Mosaic Law.
These lesser offerings usually, if not always, are a subset of the five major offerings (i.e. the presented up above, list of individual offerings)
e.g. the thank offering is a type of peace offering.

The burnt offering has the highest offerings mention in bible and is the highest in being commonly offered too
Abel’s offering in Genesis 4:4 and Noah's offerings when he left the ark in Genesis 8:20 are a kind of burnt offering

It is worth noting and acknowledging that, all these offering are not collection, as in, has nothing to do with money
where money is involved, it is only short-term, as this will be to be as soon as possible exchanged back for edible things which are to be eaten

It is insincere to suggest that offerring was money and animal sacrifices to be completely burnt as a sweet savor to the Lord
or in some cases, when allowed, to be eaten by the person making the offering

I remember you, up above saying: "Christ is our sin offering"
so why cant you accept offering on our part is not required

Goshen360 is absolutely right, you behave like a firefighter/fireman, who will go to any length to douse fire
Just put out the fire, it doesnt matter, if the water is covered with dirt or filth
This is why you are combining as one the not useful or no longer needed offerring with the revolutionary way of collection of money or rendering of self for kingdom sake

MightySparrow:
Well said, Abraham himself was a Syrian. Melchizedek? , no one knows. Except that Bible tells us he was he may not have been part of this world. So the tithing may have started from Mesopotamia and later approved by Judaism as a standard.

5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: Deut. 26: 5
(Tithing issue down the passage)

Sacrifice, prayer, altar building etc did not start or firstly commanded by God. Man wanted to reach God after their being ousted from Eden.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Gen. 4: 26.

Man's quest to reach God led them to these, and most of these things were standardized in the Law of Moses
I would rather say, there was a period of religion development in middle East.
So tithing like sacrice and prayers, are not strange to any one religion, like tithing also, have their beginnings from man

Are you aware God might not have really been keen on tithing?
Are you aware that God warned the Israelities about tithing and so His hand was forced over His decision about it?
Are you aware that God didnt want tithing the manner it panned out,
or that God acted sooner than He had intended concerning His decision over tithing?

MuttleyLaff:
Are you aware God might not have really been keen on tithing?
Are you aware that God warned the Israelities about tithing and so His hand was forced over His decision about it?
Are you aware that God didnt want tithing the manner it panned out,
or that God acted sooner than He had intended concerning His decision over tithing?

I want to learn, enlighten me on this with scriptures. God hates divorce but it is a common thing even among Christians. Because of hardness of heart, Jesus said, Moses permitted it yet had a legal backing and procedures under the Law. Paul talked about it also.

Tithing is such a thing originated from man as an act of faith. So.....

MightySparrow:
I want to learn, enlighten me on this with scriptures. God hates divorce but it is a common thing even among Christians. Because of hardness of heart, Jesus said, Moses permitted it yet had a legal backing and procedures under the Law. Paul talked about it also.

Tithing is such a thing originated from man as an act of faith. So.....

Hardness of heart, indeed.
The requirement is to first unlearn all you know before wanting to learn and then start all over again.
When you do, then I'll know that you are ready to go on off-piste and be helped with your navigating to where it's safe to go

MuttleyLaff:
Hardness of heart, indeed.
The requirement is to first unlearn all you know before wanting to learn and then start all over again.
When you do, then I'll know that you are ready to go on off-piste and be helped with your navigating to where it's safe to go

I think you have something cogent to discuss rather than trading insult.
I think you are one of those that read the scriptures objectively not just imbibe dogmas without thinking about it or do personal studies outside your parochial confines.

MightySparrow:
I want to learn, enlighten me on this with scriptures.
God hates divorce but it is a common thing even among Christians.
Because of hardness of heart, Jesus said, Moses permitted it yet had a legal backing and procedures under the Law.
Paul talked about it also.

On many occasions God allows what He hates, to accomplish what He loves

MightySparrow:
Tithing is such a thing originated from man as an act of faith. So.....

Please can you substantiate the underlined in the bolded.
If not, then retract the statement remark please.

[quote author=petra1 post=62206296]
The kingdom of God runs on principles . These principles cut across dispensations. Principles such and giving of tithes and offerings are unending . The structures may differ but the principles are constant . Just like other principles such as alms for the poor or Honoring your father and mother ,praying to God , fasting etc. It is wrong to say such are done away with the law.

It was not the origin. We are children of Abraham our father of faith who's faith we follow . The law only reminded people of God of existing kingdom principles.

Tithe and offerings are given to God and it is used for work of service in Gods house also welfare and support of the full time workers in Gods house. Some claim that the church is absolved from such . That's not true.

1Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.?

Some may argue that Paul did live on the church income . Well it's only in Corinth he did that . He had to work to earn a living not because he was not entitled to welfare or support but because of their carnality just like some nairaladers. It's his choice but it's not a bad idea . Besides it's not a big deal . 90% of pastors today work as bankers , oil workers ,busunesmen , lecturers etc and they don't collect a dime for support .you can find out from winners ,redeem,Christ embassy etc . The pastors are volunteers Only few pastors are into full time ministry because of their responsibilities . Some have to resign from lucrative jobs . Like a pastor in CEC . Lanre Alabi who was the highest paid black man in chevron . He let the job go because of ministerial responsibilities . Likewise pastors in other denominations. All these propaganda are sponsored by the enemy of the church ,


Firstly this topic is that of a brainwashed sheeple. Don't ask me why I'm so confident in that statement, I'll tell you why. The very televangelist you watch and see on TV across the world, I get to work with them etc. The so called attack Christians rant on about is actually of the Lord. Hollywood is going through a spiritual attack based on your logic. The truth is that there is a massive cleansing taking place in what are the last days even as the Bible states would begin at the church.
Paul's quote was not referring to the tithe as you fail to realise that they were other offerings the Levites received at the tabernacle. etc Meat offerings were part of offerings which when the priest ministered he ate from.. These were not tithes as some would like you to believe. The priest on the day who performed the ceremony ate from the sacrifice of his hands. You can go to a church today, be blessed by one of their pastors and sow a seed and guess who takes it all

And this is the law of the meat offering: the sons of Aaron shall offer it before the Lord , before the altar. And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.
Leviticus 6:14‭, ‬16 KJV


You have more of a leg arguing about the Sabbath which was started during creation than this issue if tithes in all honesty. As I said, I'm more in house than any of you lot and would get you all a top seat at any event irrespective of the church including the one you made mention of in your statement. Get you to join the GO for refreshments after service etc. That's the level we speak of here. The reason I brought that up was to show you I know what's happening, I'm at the top of the field and for you to be aware it is a scam of your finances. Before you come here and start ranting, firstly you couldn't have access to a Reinhard, Chris , Hinn, Joyce, Oyedepo, creflo etc at the touch of a bottom, so I know what I'm saying.

The tithe fed a 12th God or a whole tribe.. your tithe doesn't feed a 12th of your congregation.

Abraham Tithed once and he was already super rich.


The eleven tribes of Israel minus the Levites which makes twelve were all given lands as inherited and told to tithe from it go feed the Levites. So out of the twelve tribes, one did not get any land and the others were to continually tithe off it to feed the Levites. POINT IS YOU WERE NOT GIVEN ANY LAND.

Circumcision was a seal of an act of faith and yet it was done away with..it also came.before the law.

The Sabbath was before the law and actually before anything .. PART OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, JUST SAYING.

Clean and unclean were before the law and revealed to Noah in ex 7 & 8. This also came up in the law.

Burnt offerings which are not to be confused with sin or trespass offerings were before the law and also part of the law.

The church is being shaken and cleansed ...

petra1:



No one says tithes is mandatory . Everything is by your will . What matters is that Tithing is a principle in the kingdom of God just as offering ,prayer ,almsgiving ,fasting are spiritutual principles . You choose to do or not to do . Tithing is not done away with as well as , offering ,prayers ,almsgiving etc

If Abraham could be diligent enough to give tithe even from war how much more from his wealth and earning !!!

Abraham on record tithed once.. the Israelites on the other hand Tithed continuously to feed the tribe that got nothing. Notice the tithe fed a 12th of God or one whole tribe.. tithes from your church do not feed a 12th of it. It wasn't created for such silly use as we see today.

Maximus82:
Abraham on record tithed once.. the Israelites on the other hand Tithed continuously to feed the tribe that got nothing. Notice the tithe fed a 12th of God or one whole tribe.. tithes from your church do not feed a 12th of it. It wasn't created for such silly use as we see today.

cc MightySparrow

... and the reason Abraham in record, tithed once is because Abraham on record, went on battle to fight and slaughtered kings once.
The opportunity to tithe never rose again.

The Israelites on the other hand, Jacob knew will have to go on battle to fight and slaughter others in order to have the land God promised his descendants so made the vow to tithe on the land as of when acquired by his descendants the Israelites.

²⁵Moses saw that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies
²⁶So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him.
²⁷Moses told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” ²⁸The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day.
²⁹Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have ordained yourselvesd for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Today you have earned a blessing
- Exodus 32:25-29

On how the tithe will be claimed by God, took a different turn, when the Israelites erected the golden calf and the Levites were the tribe that took a stand Exodus 32:26, when asked by Moses, that who is on God's side to step over to him....

Too much suddenly, becomes information overload, so a pause at this juncture

MuttleyLaff:
cc MightySparrow

... and the reason Abraham in record, tithed once is because Abraham on record, went on battle to fight and slaughtered kings once.
The opportunity to tithe never rose again.

The Israelites on the other hand, Jacob knew will have to go on battle to fight and slaughter others in order to have the land God promised his descendants so made the vow to tithe on the land as of when acquired by his descendants the Israelites.

²⁵Moses saw that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies
²⁶So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him.
²⁷Moses told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” ²⁸The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day.
²⁹Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have ordained yourselvesd for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Today you have earned a blessing
- Exodus 32:25-29

On how the tithe will be claimed by God, took a different turn, when the Israelites erected the golden calf and the Levites were the tribe that took a stand Exodus 32:26, when asked by Moses, that who is on God's side to step over to him....

Too much suddenly, becomes information overload, so a pause at this juncture

Despite you long epistle, you really didn't say a thing.

Maximus82:

Abraham on record tithed once..

That's the one on record. That doesn't mean he only tithed once. All the things Jesus did were not written either.

[quoted]The Israelites on the other hand Tithed continuously to feed the tribe that got nothing.[/quote]

You can call them a trible from carnal perspective. They are ministers of the sanctuary from Gods perspective.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Notice the tithe fed a 12th of God or one whole tribe.. tithes from your church do not feed a 12th of it. It wasn't created for such silly use as we see today.

What is the silly use. Tithe is still being used for the work in Gods house to maintain ,pay bills ,rent and for welfare of those who work full time in the house of God

Maximus82:
Despite you long epistle, you really didn't say a thing

If you call that a long epistle, I am not surprised you're a little slow on the uptake.

Now you understand, if I say, I am justified when I said, too much suddenly, becomes information overload

petra1:


That's the one on record. That doesn't mean he only tithed once. All the things Jesus did were not written either.



You can call them a trible from carnal perspective. They are ministers of the sanctuary from Gods perspective.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.




What is the silly use. Tithe is still being used for the work in Gods house to maintain ,pay bills ,rent and for welfare of those who work full time in the house of God

You cannot make a doctrine out of speculation.. that's error my friend, basic ABC of theology ..

petra1:


That's the one on record. That doesn't mean he only tithed once. All the things Jesus did were not written either.



You can call them a trible from carnal perspective. They are ministers of the sanctuary from Gods perspective.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.




What is the silly use. Tithe is still being used for the work in Gods house to maintain ,pay bills ,rent and for welfare of those who work full time in the house of God

You have no idea how global ministries work and lower churches down the spectrum are used to propagate the system that feeds the top. No disrespect, apart from this forum, you couldn't stand next to me at a meeting with world church leaders, when you say pay bills etc, you are simply lost. You are fed off media ministries..They feed you what they want you to hear. Any minister you have a book on, seen on TV etc is one button away on my phone. You really.have no idea of the flawed system. In light of the word it never states that Abraham tithed more than once..regarding the Levites they were a tribe set apart for God's work. Christians make noise with so called spiritual terms that are just in their myopic world. Next time a Copeland or a hinn or kolenda or Joyce's is in town, let me know and I'll get you a sit right next to them be it at winners, Christ embassy etc or whatever ever church. We are not talking of a person who sees them on , you are speaking to someone who mingles with them daily.

The tithe is unscriptural and no one can prove its validity.. they were twelve tribes in Israel , Dan, Naphtali ,. Zebulon etc. Out of which one whole tribe or a.twelfth of Israel were set aside for the lord's work. The tenth collected from the other 11 tribes Fed the 12th of God. Before you come here and spout carnal etc. Don't forget you could be the result of media conditioning

petra1:


That's the one on record. That doesn't mean he only tithed once. All the things Jesus did were not written either.



You can call them a trible from carnal perspective. They are ministers of the sanctuary from Gods perspective.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.




What is the silly use. Tithe is still being used for the work in Gods house to maintain ,pay bills ,rent and for welfare of those who work full time in the house of God

You Actually have no idea how global ministries work and lower churches down the spectrum are used to propagate the system that feeds the top. No disrespect, apart from this forum, you couldn't stand next to me at a meeting with world church leaders, when you say pay bills etc, you are simply lost. You are fed off media ministries..They feed you what they want you to hear. Any minister you have a book on, seen on TV etc is one button away on my phone. You really.have no idea of the flawed system. In light of the word it never states that Abraham tithed more than once..regarding the Levites they were a tribe set apart for God's work. Christians make noise with so called spiritual terms that are just in their myopic world. Next time a Copeland or a hinn or kolenda or Joyce's is in town, let me know and I'll get you a sit right next to them be it at winners, Christ embassy etc or whatever ever church. We are not talking of a person who sees them on , you are speaking to someone who mingles with them daily.

The tithe is unscriptural and no one can prove its validity.. they were twelve tribes in Israel , Dan, Naphtali ,. Zebulon etc. Out of which one whole tribe or a.twelfth of Israel were set aside for the lord's work. The tenth collected from the other 11 tribes Fed the 12th of God. Before you come here and spout carnal etc. Don't forget you could be the result of media conditioning

Do you know about global ministries, have you worked for a Reinhard, Meyer, Hinn, Jake's, dollar, Cho etc at a global executive level? You simply have no idea .

MuttleyLaff:
If you call that a long epistle, I am not surprised you're a little slow on the uptake.

Now you understand, if I say, I am justified when I said, too much suddenly, becomes information overload

I've heard your type a million times over. There was nothing you said there in line with the cross and the new testament. How does the the correlate with the finished work of the cross? That should end all your dilly dallying.

If you really knew who you were chatting too, you'll feel so belittled by thinking you are smart with saying you are putting much up there.

.You Actually have no idea how global ministries work and lower churches down the spectrum are used to propagate the system that feeds the top. No disrespect, apart from this forum, you couldn't stand next to me at a meeting with world church leaders, when you guys say it pay bills etc, you are simply lost. You are fed off media ministries..They feed you what they want you to hear. Any minister you have a book on, seen on TV etc is one button away on my phone. You really.have no idea of the flawed system. In light of the word it never states that Abraham tithed more than once..regarding the Levites they were a tribe set apart for God's work. Christians make noise with so called spiritual terms that are just in their myopic world. Next time a Copeland or a hinn or kolenda or Joyce's is in town, let me know and I'll get you a sit right next to them be it at winners, Christ embassy etc or whatever ever church. We are not talking of a person who sees them on , you are speaking to someone who mingles with them daily.

The tithe is unscriptural and no one can prove its validity.. they were twelve tribes in Israel , Dan, Naphtali ,. Zebulon etc. Out of which one whole tribe or a.twelfth of Israel were set aside for the lord's work. The tenth collected from the other 11 tribes Fed the 12th of God. Before you come here and spout carnal etc. Don't forget you could be the result of media conditioning

Do you know about global ministries, have you worked for a Reinhard, Meyer, Hinn, Jake's, dollar, Cho etc at a global executive level? You simply have no idea .

Maximus82:
I'll tell you why. The very televangelist you watch and see on TV across the world, I get to work with them etc

What is the point here?

The so called attack Christians rant on about is actually of the Lord. Hollywood is going through a spiritual attack based on your logic. The truth is that there is a massive cleansing taking place in what are the last days even as the Bible states would begin at the church.

It's the rich devil the enemy. He's only using the body of. Grist to fight itself publicly while he laughs at us . because the attacks were based on lies and sponsored propaganda . Jesus foretold a time will come ,those who persecute the church will feel they are doing God service .just like saul

John 16:2 (KJV)
. . . ,yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Paul's quote was not referring to the tithe as you fail to realise that they were other offerings the Levites received at the tabernacle. etc Meat offerings were part of offerings which when the priest ministered he ate from.. These were not tithes as some would like you to believe. The priest on the day who performed the ceremony ate from the sacrifice of his hands. You can go to a church today, be blessed by one of their pastors and sow a seed and guess who takes it all

Tithes and offerings were both collected and administered to by the priests for the work . And Paul said Christ has intructed same principle is applicable in the church .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

So it will be hypocritical to say the passsge above is referring to offering only. Even if it's offerings only . Was not offerings under the law? If you support offering you can't cut out tithe .

And this is the law of the meat offering: the sons of Aaron shall offer it before the Lord , before the altar. And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.

I don't get your point . Tithes and offering were for the Levites and priests period. Because they serve full time in the sanctuary

Deuteronomy 18:1 (KJV)
The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance.

As I said, I'm more in house than any of you lot and would get you all a top seat at any event irrespective of the church including the one you made mention of in your statement. Get you to join the GO for refreshments after service etc. That's the level we speak of here. The reason I brought that up was to show you I know what's happening, I'm at the top of the field and for you to be aware it is a scam of your finances. Before you come here and start ranting, firstly you couldn't have access to a Reinhard, Chris , Hinn, Joyce, Oyedepo, creflo etc at the touch of a bottom, so I know what I'm saying.

Your claim is very doubtful . Even if there is any element of truth that you had the privilege to meet them . What's the big deal ? That doesn't justify your claim that the church is fraud . Judas was close to christ and did worse . Meeting them doesn't make you head of administration of Christianity in Nigeria

The tithe fed a 12th God or a whole tribe.. your tithe doesn't feed a 12th of your congregation.

Tithe is not for congregation. But for the work of God and welfare of those who work full time there. Congregation are to work and give to God offerings ,tithes and other seed

Abraham Tithed once and he was already super rich.

That's was only the one recorded and if he could be diligent enough to pay tithe of war booty he's diligent enough to pay tithe regularly as a lifestyle

The eleven tribes of Israel minus the Levites which makes twelve were all given lands as inherited and told to tithe from it go feed the Levites. So out of the twelve tribes, one did not get any land and the others were to continually tithe off it to feed the Levites. POINT IS YOU WERE NOT GIVEN ANY LAND

Most pastors are volunteers . They have their jobs in banks and oil Companies or businesses . They don't get support from church money . They rather spend of their Ken wealth into the work . It's only church staff or any pastor who has been asked to resign his job for full time ministry that get paid . Even the salary is mostly little allowance . I read on Nairaland of a redeem pastor earning 15,000 . He will give tithe out of it and give offeting out of it. We have wrongly represented the faithful Labour of pastors on Nairaland without proper information. That's a sin. Thses are men praying and fasting for the congregation and nation .

Circumcision was a seal of an act of faith and yet it was done away with..it also came.before the law.

The Sabbath was before the law and actually before anything .. PART OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, JUST SAYING.

Clean and unclean were before the law and revealed to Noah in ex 7 & 8. This also came up in the law.

Burnt offerings which are not to be confused with sin or trespass offerings were before the law and also part of the law.

The church is being shaken and cleansed ...

They were types and shadows of christ . What christ has fulfilled is not applicable .

petra1:


What is the point here?



It's the devil the enemy because the attacks were based on lies and sponsored propaganda .



Tithes and offerings were both collected and administered to by the priests for the work . And Paul said Christ has intructed same principle is applicable in the church .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

So it will be hypocritical to say the passsge above is referring to offering only. Even if it's offerings only . Was not offerings under the law? If you support offering you can't cut out tithe .



I don't get your point . Tithes and offering were for the Levites and priests period. Because they serve full time in the sanctuary

Deuteronomy 18:1 (KJV)
The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance.




Your claim is very doubtful . Even if there is any element of truth that you had the privilege to meet them . What's the big deal ? That doesn't justify your claim that the church is fraud . Judas was close to christ and did worse . Meeting them doesn't make you head of administration of Christianity in Nigeria



Tithe is not for congregation. But for the work of God and welfare of those who work full time there. Congregation are to work and give to God offerings ,tithes and other seed



That's was only the one recorded and if he could be diligent enough to pay tithe of war booty he's diligent enough to pay tithe regularly as a lifestyle



Most pastors are volunteers . They have their jobs in banks and oil Companies or businesses . They don't get support from church money . They rather spend of their Ken wealth into the work . It's only church staff or any pastor who has been asked to resign his job for full time ministry that get paid . Even the salary is mostly little allowance . I read on Nairaland of a redeem pastor earning 15,000 . He will give tithe out of it and give offeting out of it. We have wrongly represented the faithful Labour of pastors on Nairaland without proper information. That's a sin. Thses are men praying and fasting for the congregation and nation .



They were types and shadows of christ . What christ has fulfilled is not applicable .

The title was created to feed a 12th of all israel.and not a handful of sheneigans. I didn't say I meet these guys, I said I'm way up.there with and one of the few who challenge this madness. Nigeria sadly limits the brains ability in many things .. it's reflected also in religion, and that why it's one of the most drained nations on earth when it comes to religion. Until you get tithe very top level, you remain a sheeple with no idea how ministries run.. it's as though you are speaking to a deaf man, have you ever asked God to guide your heart and show you if you have been misled by the so called Pentecostal ministers? You couldn't even ask God that. Go home tonight and ask God in prayer. Tell him, you spoke to a guy who said all is not all it seems with the so called ministries. If he is right prove it, if he isn't keeep.me.on my path..you couldn't even make such an honest prayer because you are under a control you are not aware of.

MuttleyLaff:
On many occasions God allows what He hates, to accomplish what He loves

Please can you substantiate the underlined in the bolded.
If not, then retract the statement remark please.

People began to call on God because they knew He exist s. They built altars as a meeting place between God and man.. They put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats.

Maximus82:

The title was created to feed a 12th of all israel.and not a handful of sheneigans.

You probable were in a haste to reply . Kindly read my post objectively . It should answer your question .

I didn't say I meet these guys, I said I'm way up.there with and one of the few who challenge this madness.

So what dud you find out in this association UP THERE?

Nigeria sadly limits the brains ability in many things .. it's reflected also in religion, and that why it's one of the most drained nations on earth when it comes to religion

You're wrong Nigerians are blessed with brains. They always top the class in universities of the world . And concerning the gospel . Nigerian pastors are all over the world. The last day revival starts from here . Nigeria is leading the body of christ . It used to be England ,later America but even the American preachers testifies of the hand of God on this blessed nation

Until you get tithe very top level, you remain a sheeple with no idea how ministries run..

How does ministry run

it's as though you are speaking to a deaf man,

I'm feeling so

have you ever asked God to guide your heart and show you if you have been misled by the so called Pentecostal ministers? You couldn't even ask God that. Go home tonight and ask God in prayer. Tell him, you spoke to a guy who said all is not all it seems with the so called ministries. If he is right prove it, if he isn't keeep.me.on my path..you couldn't even make such an honest prayer because you are under a control you are not aware of.

You need the prayer now more then any one .

MightySparrow:
People began to call on God because they knew He exists. They built altars as a meeting place between God and man.. They put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats.

That Genesis 4:26, you are paraphrasing, isn't actually what you've understood it to be. Sorry.

With all due respect MightySparrow what are you on about?
You sound like, you're talking about those fetish 4-junctions roadside "ebo" to feed the god, if the god eats.

petra1:
You probable were in a haste to reply . Kindly read my post objectively . It should answer your question .

So what dud you find out in this association UP THERE?

You're wrong Nigerians are blessed with brains. They always top the class in universities of the world . And concerning the gospel . Nigerian pastors are all over the world. The last day revival starts from here . Nigeria is leading the body of christ . It used to be England ,later America but even the American preachers testifies of the hand of God on this blessed nation

How does ministry run
I'm feeling so
You need the prayer now more then any one

Petra1 you should know who that was.
The guy has deactivated his account before his cover got blown, tsk tsk tsk.