oloriooko:

That's what Rohr and his team is paid millions to do

Ur matter just tire me oo..



If you have a problem with ur wife's cooking,will u just criticize her for it or point out the exact thing that's wrong with the food??


Some folks on this thread who have a problem with one or two departments in the team have suggest alternative.. Drop yours or else just shut up!

joseph1013:
About an hour ago, Obafemi Martins helped his club win the Chinese FA Cup by scoring the winning goal.

This is a guy who has better % statistics than Ighalo has reached heights that none of our young hopefuls have reached and may never reach.

Somehow he is not in consideration for the SE that is bewildering. Or just down right prejudice and bad belle.

Kenneth omeruo with the winning goal

oloriooko:

Whatever you call it that defence needs serious work!
If we stake them against a team like Morocco you will see the evident flaws not to talk of superior teams

I think this is a thread we all gather to share ideas and the only way is to make valid and cogent analysis.

Truly Rohr w not come here to read but i believe a lot read our comments to gather information.

I believe you are trying to say the defence is not good enough and guys have been asking you simple question,what did you suggest but your reply was Rohr is being paid to do the job then why commenting on the team if Rohr is pay to do the job,no need of saying the team is bad,let leave everything for Rohr and see the outcome at the WC.

I want to give brief history of Nigeria WC team starting from US 94 and defence w be our major talking points.

I love to use US 94 team as an example cos they still remain the best.In defence we have two slow CB in Okechukwu and Nwanu with average Uche Okafor and half fit Keshi deputising,our fullbacks were average Eguavoen, Ben Iroha,Mike Emenalo who was playing then Sunday Sunday football Nigeria version in Europe and India man Emeka Ezeugu,this defence conceded 4 goals.

I want to tell you that our US 94 defenders like Uche Okafor,Mike Emenalo,Emeka Ezeugu will not make this present team at this stage not even WC proper.Guys like Shehu Abdullahi,Ebuhei,Bryan Idowu,Ola Aina would give Eguavoen tough time before he can make this team,i will rate Ben Iroha slightly ahead of our present fullbacks,also Nwanu and Okechukwu ahead of our present CBs cos of experience.

The France 98 team that have solid defence with the presence of Okechukwu,Taribo,Babayaro,Oparaku,Godwin Opara,Iroha,Eguavoen and Okafor conceded whopping 9 goals while 2014 WC team with rookies like Omeruo,Oboboana,Oshaniwa,Ambrose,Egwueke,Odunlami and experience Yobo conceded 5 goals,pls can you rate 2014 WC team with this present team.

Please let's give respect to this team,this is a team with Akpeyi and Ezenwa in goal conceded just two goals from open play,so what a fuss.

I don't want to talk on Morocco cos recently we beat Argentina who are far ahead and better than Morocco.

Why can't we produce players like Ronaldo or Messi or Neymar?

Mujtahida:
Why can't we produce players like Ronaldo or Messi or Neymar?

Simple.

Because we are Nigeria.

Kog45:
I think this is a thread we all gather to share ideas and the only way is to make valid and cogent analysis.

Truly Rohr w not come here to read but i believe a lot read our comments but a lot of comments here are very useful to guys outside who like to peep and gather information.

I believe you are trying to say the defence is not good enough and guys have been asking you simple question,what did you suggest but your reply was Rohr is being paid to do the job then why commenting on the team if Rohr is pay to do the job,no need of saying the team is bad,let leave everything for Rohr and see the outcome at the WC.

I want to give brief historical of Nigeria WC team starting from US 94 and defence w be our major talking points.

I love to use US 94 team as an example cos they still remain the best.In defence we have two slow CB in Okechukwu and Nwanu with average Uche Okafor and half fit Keshi deputising,our fullbacks were average Eguavoen, Ben Iroha,Mike Emenalo who was playing then Sunday Sunday football Nigeria version in Europe and India man Emeka Ezeugu,this defence conceded 4 goals.

I want to tell you that our US 94 defenders like Uche Okafor,Mike Emenalo,Emeka Ezeugu will not make this present team at this stage not even WC proper.Guys like Shehu Abdullahi,Ebuhei,Bryan Idowu,Ola Aina would give Eguavoen tough time before he can make this team,i will rate Ben Iroha slightly ahead of our present fullbacks,also Nwanu and Okechukwu ahead of our present CBs cos of experience.

The France 98 team that have solid defence with the presence of Okechukwu,Taribo,Babayaro,Oparaku,Godwin Opara,Iroha,Eguavoen and Okafor conceded whopping 9 goals while 2014 WC team with rookies like Omeruo,Oboboana,Oshaniwa,Ambrose,Egwueke,Odunlami and experience Yobo conceded 5 goals,pls can you rate 2014 WC team with this present team.

Please let's give respect to this team,this is a team with Akpeyi and Ezenwa in goal conceded just two goals from open play,so what a fuss.

I don't want to talk on Morocco cos recently we beat Argentina who are far ahead and better than Morocco.

I appreciate your analysis you try sha
Am not disrespecting the team cuz I don't know what I have said yo disrespect a team that topped the most proposed difficult team to qualify for the WC
Beating Argentina in a friendly is no where near meeting same team at the WC
What am saying is that Rohr is paid to build us a team so let him do just that seeing that our weakest poit is the defence and I know Rohr knows about this.
No one is taking away the hard work the team has put into qualifying but that is history now, the best is yo focus on the WC and build a formidable defence which is pur weakest point

Icon4s:


Simple.

Because we are Nigeria.

Doesn't explain anything. I mentioned three players from different nationalities. I really don't get your point. And its not necessarily a Neymar or Messi or Ronaldo thing. I could as well have mentioned other players but my point is why can't we produce players of such distinguished caliber. At least Liberia had George Weah.

Mujtahida:

Doesn't explain anything. I mentioned three players from different nationalities. I really don't get your point. And its not necessarily a Neymar or Messi or Ronaldo thing. I could as well have mentioned other players but my point is why can't we produce players of such distinguished caliber. At least Liberia had George Weah.

Again, because we are Nigeria.

George Weah was not a product of the Liberian system.

That phrase "because we are Nigeria" explains a lot.

Mujtahida:
Why can't we produce players like Ronaldo or Messi or Neymar?

haven't heard names like OKOCHA,KANU,those types of players hardly comes in years

Eduok and Omeruo goals



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1N6p6Hxf5U

Icon4s:


Again, because we are Nigeria.

George Weah was not a product of the Liberian system.

That phrase "because we are Nigeria" explains a lot.

'Because we are Nigeria' is a parable I cannot decode in this context. Pray tell, what does it mean?
Or does it mean because we are Nigeria we cannot produce excellence like Neymar or Ronaldo or Messi? I don't understand.

oloriooko:

Whatever you call it that defence needs serious work!
If we stake them against a team like Morocco you will see the evident flaws not to talk of superior teams

Yet they faced a more superior team than Maroc and showed mettle against a Cameroon team.
Did you know Cameroon beat and outplayed Maroc when they met before the confederations cup? Guy leave talk, that defence can be worked on into being a solid one (the biggest room known is the room for improvement).
Give them kudos bruh, if they are yet to convince you my brother I'm convinced beyond doubt.

oloriooko:

I appreciate your analysis you try sha
Am not disrespecting the team cuz I don't know what I have said yo disrespect a team that topped the most proposed difficult team to qualify for the WC
Beating Argentina in a friendly is no where near meeting same team at the WC
What am saying is that Rohr is paid to build us a team so let him do just that seeing that our weakest poit is the defence and I know Rohr knows about this.
No one is taking away the hard work the team has put into qualifying but that is history now, the best is yo focus on the WC and build a formidable defence which is pur weakest point

Good let's talk football cos initially you are just saying Rohr is pay to do the job.

Yes truly we beat Argentina in a friendly which is good for the confidence of the team meaning the team is working.

On the defence,truly works need to be done just like other departments of the game or do you want to say Argentina team will discard their defence cos of the lost against Nigeria.

My man the defence is growing and before WC you will see a better and solid defence which everyone would be proud of

I will not deceive you i don't see any defender out there that is better than what we have now or do you see anyone cos you are finding it difficult to suggest a name.My man there is none for now and if Rohr see he w not hesitate to call hmm.I believe with what is available Rohr should be able to give us the best.

Mujtahida:

Doesn't explain anything. I mentioned three players from different nationalities. I really don't get your point. And its not necessarily a Neymar or Messi or Ronaldo thing. I could as well have mentioned other players but my point is why can't we produce players of such distinguished caliber. At least Liberia had George Weah.

Players with that potential in Nigeria do not get the opportunity to reach that level of ability.

oloriooko:

Whatever you call it that defence needs serious work!
If we stake them against a team like Morocco you will see the evident flaws not to talk of superior teams

If a stranger reads your comments and your word on 'overhauling' the defence. He'd think that the defence is whack, he'd think that the defence has conceded an avalanche of goals. Readers here know that the defence is not whack. That's why they are surprised at how you call for a sweeping(that's what overhaul means) of the defence.

Rohr knows that the defence needs improvement, needs reinforcement.

Mujtahida:

'Because we are Nigeria' is a parable I cannot decode in this context. Pray tell, what does it mean?
Or does it mean because we are Nigeria we cannot produce excellence like Neymar or Ronaldo or Messi? I don't understand.

Pep saw more future in Gabriel Jesus with City ahead of Iheanacho even before Jesus kicked a ball for City. Why? Jesus is a BRAZILIAN while Iheanacho is a NIGERIAN.

Kog45:
Good let's talk football cos initially you are just saying Rohr is pay to do the job.

Yes truly we beat Argentina in a friendly which is good for the confidence of the team meaning the team is working.

On the defence,truly works need to be done just like other departments of the game or do you want to say Argentina team will discard their defence cos of the lost against Nigeria.

My man the defence is growing and before WC you will see a better and solid defence which everyone would be proud of

I will not deceive you i don't see any defender out there that is better than what we have now or do you see anyone cos you are finding it difficult to suggest a name.My man there is none for now and if Rohr see he w not hesitate to call hmm.I believe with what is available Rohr should be able to give us the best.

Seem the word overhaul is being misunderstood here
Overhaul means
to look at every part of (something) and repair or replace the parts that do not work
: to change (something) completely in order to improve it
No one is saying totally discard but Rohr needs to work his sox off if he wants to make impact at the WC
Nigeria should stop completing the square at WCs.
Its high time we made serious statement at the WC
Rohr should justify his pay

tbaba1234:


Players with that potential in Nigeria do not get the opportunity to reach that level of ability.

The question is do we even produce players with that superlative level of potential? As in pure football geniuses before talking of the opportunity to reach the maxim limits of their potentials?
See Argentina produced a Maradona and now a Messi, Brazil produced Pele, Ronaldo de Lima Ronaldinho, Neymar. France produced Zidane. I am thinking why can't we produce a player that can win the best footballer in the world. Is it as simple as saying it boils down to the 'Nigerian factor'?

Mujtahida:

If a stranger reads your comments and your word on 'overhauling' the defence. He'd think that the defence is whack, he'd think that the defence has conceded an avalanche of goals. Readers here know that the defence is not whack. That's why they are surprised at how you call for a sweeping(that's what overhaul means) of the defence.

Rohr knows that the defence needs improvement, needs reinforcement.

Seem you getting me wrong cuz overhaul means
to look at every part of (something) and repair or replace the parts that do not work
: to change (something) completely in order to improve it
I can see many Rohr defenders on this thread and I think its cuz its been long the SE did anything worth celebrating so this singular act of qualification is like the hope to many Nigerians but we must not fail to point out their flaws

Icon4s:


Pep saw more future in Gabriel Jesus with City ahead of Iheanacho even before Jesus kicked a ball for City. Why? Jesus is a BRAZILIAN while Iheanacho is a NIGERIAN.

I still don't understand ooo. Are you suggesting bias against our players? Is that the reason we've not had players in the ilk of the greatest?

I hope I will not be read as denigrating the long stellar army of excellent players we have produced over the years.

Another variant of the question I posed earlier is: why can't we win the World Cup? Would it answer such a question if someone were to say 'Because we are Nigeria'?
Undisputable excellence is what I am looking at here. My initial question was prompted in my heart just now as I watched Neymar.
I could as well watch Germany celebrating their WC win in 2014 and ask if Germany, why not Nigeria?

Mujtahida:

The question is do we even produce players with that superlative level of potential? As in pure football geniuses before talking of the opportunity to reach the maxim limits of their potentials?
See Argentina produced a Maradona and now a Messi, Brazil produced Pele, Ronaldo de Lima Ronaldinho, Neymar. France produced Zidane. I am thinking why can't we produce a player that can win the best footballer in the world. Is it as simple as saying it boils down to the 'Nigerian factor'?

Yes we do.. In secondary school, i saw boys with ridiculous potential.. Jay Jay Okocha had ridiculous ability.

To produce the best footballer in the world, your home structure has to be great in harnessing and improving potential.

and he scored today. GREAT -- own-goal though

tbaba1234:


Thank you.

I saw the story on Akpoguma, he will not be missed. He needs Nigeria more than Nigeria needs him.

oloriooko:

Seem you getting me wrong cuz overhaul means
to look at every part of (something) and repair or replace the parts that do not work
: to change (something) completely in order to improve it
I can see many Rohr defenders on this thread and I think its cuz its been long the SE did anything worth celebrating so this singular act of qualification is like the hope to many Nigerians but we must not fail to point out their flaws

The problem was the Word overhaul. In my mind and I believe in the mind of others in the context you used it, it meant doing away with the defence we have now.

Of course every part of the team needs critical assessment. I don't think the coach is so blind not to realise that.

No one is defending Rohr. Your criticism was at large. At least now I understand you and I agree with you.

tbaba1234:


Yes we do.. In secondary school, i saw boys with ridiculous potential.. Jay Jay Okocha had ridiculous ability.

To produce the best footballer in the world, your home structure has to be great in harnessing and improving potential.

I trust you know that Argentina and Brazil were in the same category as we and I don't think their footballing structures were better than ours during all the years they produced top top talents. Only now has Brazil lifted itself economically and her league too along.

I get your point though. I just wish we have the very best out there.

Its very amazing how no one is mentioning agbo here, dude scored today, i am still amaze how he has never featured in a game for us but rohr keep inviting him, that dude has been a starter from granada even though they were relegated and he is still starting for standard liege.

I know when he breaks into the squad he will be difficult to bench.

Mujtahida:

The question is do we even produce players with that superlative level of potential? As in pure football geniuses before talking of the opportunity to reach the maxim limits of their potentials?
See Argentina produced a Maradona and now a Messi, Brazil produced Pele, Ronaldo de Lima Ronaldinho, Neymar. France produced Zidane. I am thinking why can't we produce a player that can win the best footballer in the world. Is it as simple as saying it boils down to the 'Nigerian factor'?

Atleast kanu reach that height before he was among the best player in the world in 1995 ..we have produced great players too..

Jay Jay was the most expensive player bought by PSG with whopping sum of 16m dollars...


We can still produce but alot factors gonna stop us from it....

Joebie:
and he scored today. GREAT -- own-goal though

Lol... Nah WA o... He will bounced back

sontoly:
Its very amazing how no one is mentioning agbo here, dude scored today, i am still amaze how he has never featured in a game for us but rohr keep inviting him, that dude has been a starter from granada even though they were relegated and he is still starting for standard liege.

I know when he breaks into the squad he will be difficult to bench.

In iwobi's voice Agbo my guy!

He will get his time.. That's sure... He keep doing his part.. That's the most important thing.. Not only him scored today
..omeruo also scored.. Time and chances happened to them all..

Mujtahida:

I trust you know that Argentina and Brazil were in the same category as we and I don't think their footballing structures were better than ours during all the years they produced top top talents. Only now has Brazil lifted itself economically and her league too along.

I get your point though. I just wish we have the very best out there.

I disagree, the brazilian and Argentinian leagues are miles ahead of the NPFL... Far far ahead..

Joebie:
Those who have been wondering where Olaitan is will appreciate that update. Personally, I appreciate every player's hustle.

Its not that I don't appreciate them bro. Try understand.. I mean the purpose of this thread. thanks