PrecisionFx:

I do not care if u refuse to read the book I have told u to read... .

What book? You have not mentioned any book to me. There are a plethora of book online. Refer me to the exact one that I should read, or specifically the one that has the truth about God. Then again you should care because you cared to condemned the book that I believe in.

PrecisionFx:
Secondly I have already told u that the people living in Israel today are Caucasians, Do I need a monday hammer n Chisel to drill it into ur sense .

Well, this was your previous answer in bold and I thought you could have thought it out because you contradicted yourself. The Jews who live in Israel today are Europeans, Caucasian and have no form of connection with Bible Hebrews. You made mention of the Bible, so I was surprised that you referenced and believe in the Jews of the same Bible that you condemned. Do think that you could address that question better now using your Monday hammer n Chisel?

PrecisionFx:
""? When did the Igbo tribe come to be?
This is unreadable to me, Rephrase.

Sure! If the Igbos came from the Israel of old, When did the name change from Israel to Igbo? What is the origin of the Igbo language? Do you consider the Igbos a tribe or a race? If you insinuate that the Israelis are Caucasians, were your ancestors the former occupants of the ancient Israel?
If you truly are Igbo, would you accept that the truth about your history is stored in Cambridge University in England? Is it a proud thing to say in public? Are you from Israel or England? Your tribe is not older that Egypt for example and archaeologists have been able to dig out relics of the past kingdoms that prove the religion and history of the Egyptians. To the contrary, are you encouraging me to visit England to read books written by CAUCASIANS that you refute any affiliation with to learn about your affiliation with ANCIENT Israel?
Malarkey at its finest!

lovingJehovah:
What book? You have not mentioned any book to me. There are a plethora of book online. Refer me to the exact one that I should read, or specifically the one that has the truth about God. Then again you should care because you cared to condemned the book that I believe in.
Well, this was your previous answer in bold and I thought you could have thought it out because you contradicted yourself. The Jews who live in Israel today are Europeans, Caucasian and have no form of connection with Bible Hebrews. You made mention of the Bible, so I was surprised that you referenced and believe in the Jews of the same Bible that you condemned. Do think that you could address that question better now using your Monday hammer n Chisel?
Sure! If the Igbos came from the Israel of old, When did the name change from Israel to Igbo? What is the origin of the Igbo language? Do you consider the Igbos a tribe or a race? If you insinuate that the Israelis are Caucasians, were your ancestors the former occupants of the ancient Israel?
If you truly are Igbo, would you accept that the truth about your history is stored in Cambridge University in England? Is it a proud thing to say in public? Are you from Israel or England? Your tribe is not older that Egypt for example and archaeologists have been able to dig out relics of the past kingdoms that prove the religion and history of the Egyptians. To the contrary, are you encouraging me to visit England to read books written by CAUCASIANS that you refute any affiliation with to learn about your affiliation with ANCIENT Israel?
Malarkey at its finest!

""What book? You have not mentioned any book to me. There are a plethora of book online. Refer me to the exact one that I should read, or specifically the one that has the truth about God. Then again you should care because you cared to condemned the book that I believe in""

This is confusion personified.


""you truly are Igbo, would you accept that the truth about your history is stored in Cambridge University in England?"'


Another self deception personified²


"" Sure! If the Igbos came from the Israel of old, When did the name change from Israel to Igbo? What is the origin of the Igbo language?""

It happened in this order.
Hebrews.
Heeboes.
Eboes.
Igbos.
And recently - Ibo.
U still need to extensively read about the igbo history. It's a long process. Get on with it.




Oga I can't spoon fed u, U are behind in this matter and u would need some years of serious reading to arrive bases on this note.

Start with ""The international Jew "" - By Henry Ford.

If an American who was born in the 19th century holds the key to your culture, then you need to watch the last episode of the popular TV series, Lost.

I am sure that you feel ashamed of yourself now. This is the 20th century book that you put your trust in and place above the Bible? You sounded pretty smarter earlier than this botched comment, for real.
Anyway, let me not judge. I would rather advise you to reconsider your thoughts and ponder over the details surrounding your belief. It would do your some good. The only group that can accommodate your thought is Atheism and you will have serious issues as soon as you begin to go in-depth with them. Before you condemn Christians again, I want you to always remember that your thoughts are Martian and cannot be accepted by any tribe or race. You are not anything close to people beyond the shores of Nigeria. Your cultures and traditions are nothing relating to the Hebrews. And for the record, your homographic countdown is a cheap brainwashing used to ply on gullible minds. What is the meaning of Hebrews-Heeboes- Eboes-Igbos, and recently- Ibo?

Grab a Bible and save your own soul, bro.

PrecisionFx:








""What book? You have not mentioned any book to me. There are a plethora of books online. Refer me to the exact one that I should read, or specifically the one that has the truth about God. Then again you should care because you cared to condemned the book that I believe in""

This is confusion personified.


""you truly are Igbo, would you accept that the truth about your history is stored in Cambridge University in England?"'


Another self deception personified²


"" Sure! If the Igbos came from the Israel of old, When did the name change from Israel to Igbo? What is the origin of the Igbo language?""

It happened in this order.
Hebrews.
Heeboes.
Eboes.
Igbos.
And recently - Ibo.
U still need to extensively read about the igbo history. It's a long process. Get on with it.




Oga I can't spoon fed u, U are behind in this matter and u would need some years of serious reading to arrive bases on this note.

Start with ""The international Jew "" - By Henry Ford.

joshnes:
When man begets a child, the child is a man. The same when God begets a son, He is God (John 1:1). In John 14:8-9, What Jesus said effectively was I Am the Father. Philip asked to see the Father, Jesus' reply was have I been so long with you that you don't know ME. In other words, what you're looking for is right in front of you and what was he looking for? The Father. In Phil 2:5-7, we are made to understand that Jesus had the form of God, but dropped the reputation and did not seek equality with God here on earth. For Him to drop a reputation, He must have one, which the scripture said is the "the form of God". You need to understand that here on earth, Jesus humbled Himself before God and became low, to die for you and I. This did not change His deity thereafter or therebefore, Jesus upholds everything by The Power Of His Word. The world was made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made. Unless you are saying that God did not make the world, then Jesus is not God.

Beget means to reproduce..
You mean God gave birth to a son!!!!! Thats blasphemy.. Pls who is the mother or wife of God

If you look the word up in your dictionary, you will see the actual meaning in this context. Beget also means to create, cause or bring about. What dictionary do you use?

harbjar:

Beget means to reproduce..
You mean God gave birth to a son!!!!! Thats blasphemy.. Pls who is the mother or wife of God

lovingJehovah:
If you look the word up in your dictionary, you will see the actual meaning in this context. Beget also means to create, cause or bring about. What dictionary do you use?

Well unless you a concordance approach... We all jnow to beget means to sire... And to sire means its biological and for it to be biological means it has to cone from copulation of a male female... unless you want to convince urself that is not wht comes through ur mind whenever u read that verse...
But lets use ur approach... If it meant create, adam was also created from nothing , eve was also created from a Father and no mother... So what then is special about jesus

Well, your analysis is embryonic. Moreover, let me reverse the question, what is special about Mohammed?

harbjar:

Well unless you a concordance approach... We all jnow to beget means to sire... And to sire means its biological and for it to be biological means it has to cone from copulation of a male female... unless you want to convince urself that is not wht comes through ur mind whenever u read that verse...
But lets use ur approach... If it meant create, adam was also created from nothing , eve was also created from a Father and no mother... So what then is special about jesus

lovingJehovah:
Well, your analysis is embryonic. Moreover, let me reverse the question, what is special about Mohammed?

Everything bro.. Came as a fufilment of Jesus(peace be upon him) prophesy ..
But this isn't bout mohammed (peace be upon him) but about the term GOD BEGETS... thats blasphemy

Peacefullove:


You don't know what are talking about, The passage was a ( ?) Who knows . Not a direct statement .

Besides, here is the proof that they are the same .

"As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same Spirit [a]; humans have no advantage over animals. " Ecc 3 vs 19

that passage insinuates that the Spirit of man and that of animals are different.
Ecc 3,vs 9 didn't say all have one spirit but all have one breadth.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Breath here mean physical life.

solite3:
that passage insinuates that the Spirit of man and that of animals are different.
Ecc 3,vs 9 didn't say all have one spirit but all have one breadth.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Breath here mean physical life.

" Breath.--The same word as "spirit" (Ecclesiastes 3:21; Genesis 7:15; Psalm 104:30)." - Elicotts commentary for English readers .

Why dont you just respect yourself Nd prevent this public show of ignorance ?

That is what the verse means @ bold , Do you know the same word translated " Spirit " in verse 21 of that bible verse, is Just the exact word translated breath in verse 19 .. Yes or No ?



Answer that, and we know if the verse means they are one spirit or not .

You asked a shady question but I noticed your biased response when the table was turned. You have a passion for Mohammed and you want to denigrate Jesus as being our Lord. This topic is about Christianity and if you, with an opposing view would want to participate, you should at least flag your presence as a non-believer before antagonizing. I have no problem with continuing with you though.
The holy scriptures were written hundreds of years before the birth of Mohammed. It means that before Mohammed was born or chosen as a prophet according to your belief, he knew about God and probably had a copy of the scriptures particularly the one given to Musa. Let me streamline it to your own understanding. Now, we do not believe that Jesus was given a book as you believe that angel Jibril gave to all the prophets. His words were written down by his apostles.
Here are the questions:
1. What book of the law or of the prophets did Mohammed read prior to receiving the Koran?
2. Whose descendant was he and who are his ancestors?
3. What language did his ancestors speak?
4. In what language was the law given to Musa and the rest of the prophets written?
5. What language did Muhammad speak?
6. What language does angel Jibril speak?
7. Why was the Koran in Arabic and what is the significance of Arabic in Islam?
8. Did any other prophet sleep with an 8 year old or encourage pedophilia?
9. If the descendants of Abraham were Israelites, how did Muhammad find himself in Saudi Arabia?
10. Is there a book containing the records of the other prophets.

harbjar:

Everything bro.. Came as a fufilment of Jesus(peace be upon him) prophesy ..
But this isn't bout mohammed (peace be upon him) but about the term GOD BEGETS... thats blasphemy

lovingJehovah:
You asked a shady question but I noticed your biased response when the table was turned. You have a passion for Mohammed and you want to denigrate Jesus as being our Lord. This topic is about Christianity and if you, with an opposing view would want to participate, you should at least flag your presence as a non-believer before antagonizing. I have no problem with continuing with you though.
The holy scriptures were written hundreds of years before the birth of Mohammed. It means that before Mohammed was born or chosen as a prophet according to your belief, he knew about God and probably had a copy of the scriptures particularly the one given to Musa. Let me streamline it to your own understanding. Now, we do not believe that Jesus was given a book as you believe that angel Jibril gave to all the prophets. His words were written down by his apostles.
Here are the questions:
1. What book of the law or of the prophets did Mohammed read prior to receiving the Koran?
2. Whose descendant was he and who are his ancestors?
3. What language did his ancestors speak?
4. In what language was the law given to Musa and the rest of the prophets written?
5. What language did Muhammad speak?
6. What language does angel Jibril speak?
7. Why was the Koran in Arabic and what is the significance of Arabic in Islam?
8. Did any other prophet sleep with an 8 year old or encourage pedophilia?
9. If the descendants of Abraham were Israelites, how did Muhammad find himself in Saudi Arabia?
10. Is there a book containing the records of the other prophets.

Lol... I wasn't bias, just didn't want us to digress from the topic but since you have askes i Will answer you
Firstly, i respect and loveJesus son of Mary (Peace be upon both of them) and never will i ever denigrate him... Why? That us because our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through him has made it compulsory for every Muslim walking on the surface of earth to believe Jesus and accept him as one of the greatest Messengers of God from the Quran not only him but all other prophets that came before him, moses, jacob, noah, John the Baptist etc... But u see the difference between us (Muslims and christains) is that you xtains say he (Jesus) is "son of God," part of the trinity or even God himself....
We Muslims totally go against that and say from clear evidence of the Quran and even the bible that Jesus never claimed divinity or whatever you people tag him as bit a righteous prophet of God.. Whatever you say he is, you people call him that not him..
On questions about the prophet of God Muhammad..
Well it appears you really dont know much bou islam and by Allah there isn't a single question of urs that i cant answer with bith evidence from the Bible and Quran..
First question abiut Prophet Muhammad, if only u knew a little about him, u would have known he was a man who couldn't read or write, so how would he have read the laws of moses of whoever law u claimed he read before writing 4th e Quran.. As a matter of fact, its because of this reason Allah (God) made himthat way so people like u wouldn't accuse him of stealing it from other scriptures before him..
The first verse he received was angel Gabriel telling him to READ three times and he said he couldn't read..
Well the Bible has this prophesy too
Isiah 29verse 12 says
Then book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read..... So then i am asking which of the prophets of Gid was given a book and he said he couldn't read
... I will answer all ur questions one after the other giving u proofs from ur bible .i hope u take time and research more more islam.. But to help ur quest.. I had advice u to geta translated copy of the Quran and see what it says and stop following hearsay

lovingJehovah:
You asked a shady question but I noticed your biased response when the table was turned. You have a passion for Mohammed and you want to denigrate Jesus as being our Lord. This topic is about Christianity and if you, with an opposing view would want to participate, you should at least flag your presence as a non-believer before antagonizing. I have no problem with continuing with you though.
The holy scriptures were written hundreds of years before the birth of Mohammed. It means that before Mohammed was born or chosen as a prophet according to your belief, he knew about God and probably had a copy of the scriptures particularly the one given to Musa. Let me streamline it to your own understanding. Now, we do not believe that Jesus was given a book as you believe that angel Jibril gave to all the prophets. His words were written down by his apostles.
Here are the questions:
1. What book of the law or of the prophets did Mohammed read prior to receiving the Koran?
2. Whose descendant was he and who are his ancestors?
3. What language did his ancestors speak?
4. In what language was the law given to Musa and the rest of the prophets written?
5. What language did Muhammad speak?
6. What language does angel Jibril speak?
7. Why was the Koran in Arabic and what is the significance of Arabic in Islam?
8. Did any other prophet sleep with an 8 year old or encourage pedophilia?
9. If the descendants of Abraham were Israelites, how did Muhammad find himself in Saudi Arabia?
10. Is there a book containing the records of the other prophets.

Let me just rush through ur other questions so it wont sound like am running from them..
2. Mohammed is from the descendant ot Abraham and his Great grand father is Ishmael... And God promise to Abraham according to the bible is to make him father of all nations.. Gods promise to Ishmael according to genesis 17vs 20
As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
3.his ancestor depending from who you mean but we both know Abraham who happens to be the father of all nations wasnt a jew, and his language was oldAramaic which give birth to Hebrew and arabic and a critical study of languages u will know they sound v. Much alike.. Do ur research on that but let me help you.. Moses in Hebrew, musa in Arabic, Ishmael -Ismail, Abraham -Ibrahim etc
4. Because the rest of the prophets starting form Jacob the sons of Jacob that gave birth to the Jewish language was Hebrew laws were given to moses in hebrew.. But Muhammad is from their brethren that spoke a sister language called arabic
5.arabic
6.jibril is an angel and they aint humans and guven by Gof they should be able to speak any language Gid want them to
7. The quran has an answer to that.

Allah sent down the Quran in the Arabic language; Allah says: {And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people.} [Quran 14:4] the previous Prophets, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent to their own people, so it is for this reason that they were sent speaking their language. However, our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was sent to all nations, but why is it that he was sent with the language of some of them [the Arabs]? The answer is, 'Either he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) would have been sent with the language of all of them, which would have been unusual and abnormal; rather, this would have been most unlikely, and it is impossible that each word of the Quran be repeated in each language, so it had to be in only one language, and the Arabic language is most deserving of it, as it is the richest and most eloquent one and because it is the most suitable language for the addressees (the Arabs).”
8. That the prophet slept with an 8yrs old gal is a shame to come from u... There is no such proof in the quran that said Aisha was atva certain age when she married the prophet... All this age stuffs are just speculation from different theologians trying to guess the age in which she was which could be false.. So have said it was 16 some said 18 19 and some said it was even 9... Getting age 8 from u is another new age which i have never heard of before... So u see, people just saying what thEy wish ..but for clearance.. Mhe was not and never a peodeophile.. It would do well for u to find out the age of Mary mother of Jesus when she married
9. Abraham gave birth two sons remember, its in ur bible.. Ishmael the first son and isaac the second
Ishmael birthed arabia.. isaac birthed isreal... Its all part of the promise of God to make Abraham father of all nations not one nation...
10. Yes the Quran.. M the truth and accurate stories of all Prophet from Adam to jesus including his mother and his birth..you might want to get a cipy of quran and read them.. Very interesting and deep ones.. The Quran said

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (Surah Al-Baqara, 136)..
Jesus Christ said seek the truth and ut shall set u free..
Ma salam

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quote author=lovingJehovah post=62918006] Cool. So when you quoted Jesus saying that he and his father are one, were you referring to the man or the spirit?
You just made a caricature of yourself. Bro, stop making your self a laughingstock.

Jesus and his father are one and the Jews tried to stone him. Why do you think the Jews tried to stone him?

Read what you wrote in the emboldened above
Hahahaha Ludicrous! You must be so exhausted by now. The trinity is like a lie told upon a lie that needs another lie to save the first lie that was told. You listed more proofs to expose your heresy. Did you actually read before posting stuff? Firstborn was stated in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

Do you even know what trinity is You are the one exposing your heretical teaching denying the deity of Christ. Do you have any problem on the Hebrew or Greek scriptures.

Fallacious! A heap of heresy. In all cases as you have presented, if it is rank, then someone gave him the rank; if it is exalted one, someone exalted that one. In all the firstborns that you mentioned, was any one of them compared to God as equal?

what is your point? Now you know that firstborn as used in Colossians does not mean first created.

Read the emboldened above.

Positive

if positive then you have no point. Jesus is a man according to that verse.

Son of God; Jesus; The Christ. No, a cub.

is a cub a true lion? You have no point oga!

John 14:28 The father is greater than I.
John 14 was spoken after John 10.
John 5:30 I do nothing of my own initiative, but the will of the father.
Luke 22:42 Let not MY WILL be done but YOURS.

of cause the father is greater than him but are equal God.
Your father is greater than you but your father is not a greater human than you.
Jesus is lesser than his father but his father is not a greater God than him.

harbjar:

Let me just rush through ur other questions so it wont sound like am running from them..
2. Mohammed is from the descendant ot Abraham and his Great grand father is Ishmael... And God promise to Abraham according to the bible is to make him father of all nations.. Gods promise to Ishmael according to genesis 17vs 20
As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
3.his ancestor depending from who you mean but we both know Abraham who happens to be the father of all nations wasnt a jew, and his language was oldAramaic which give birth to Hebrew and arabic and a critical study of languages u will know they sound v. Much alike.. Do ur research on that but let me help you.. Moses in Hebrew, musa in Arabic, Ishmael -Ismail, Abraham -Ibrahim etc
4. Because the rest of the prophets starting form Jacob the sons of Jacob that gave birth to the Jewish language was Hebrew laws were given to moses in hebrew.. But Muhammad is from their brethren that spoke a sister language called arabic
5.arabic
6.jibril is an angel and they aint humans and guven by Gof they should be able to speak any language Gid want them to
7. The quran has an answer to that.

Allah sent down the Quran in the Arabic language; Allah says: {And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people.} [Quran 14:4] the previous Prophets, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent to their own people, so it is for this reason that they were sent speaking their language. However, our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was sent to all nations, but why is it that he was sent with the language of some of them [the Arabs]? The answer is, 'Either he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) would have been sent with the language of all of them, which would have been unusual and abnormal; rather, this would have been most unlikely, and it is impossible that each word of the Quran be repeated in each language, so it had to be in only one language, and the Arabic language is most deserving of it, as it is the richest and most eloquent one and because it is the most suitable language for the addressees (the Arabs).”
8. That the prophet slept with an 8yrs old gal is a shame to come from u... There is no such proof in the quran that said Aisha was atva certain age when she married the prophet... All this age stuffs are just speculation from different theologians trying to guess the age in which she was which could be false.. So have said it was 16 some said 18 19 and some said it was even 9... Getting age 8 from u is another new age which i have never heard of before... So u see, people just saying what thwy wish

this thread is not about Mohammad. Why don't you open a thread for that? Don't derail this thread.
BTW you have Islamic section.

Let me not go into further questionings for now, but for all that you wrote I can see that you believe it and you have a passion to defend it as the truth. Why, then, would you jump on a Christian thread to shade or question our own Bible? There is your faith and you defiantly polish it to look heavenly, but what would make you question the Bible that says that God begot Jesus?

harbjar:

Let me just rush through ur other questions so it wont sound like am running from them..
2. Mohammed is from the descendant ot Abraham and his Great grand father is Ishmael... And God promise to Abraham according to the bible is to make him father of all nations.. Gods promise to Ishmael according to genesis 17vs 20
As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
3.his ancestor depending from who you mean but we both know Abraham who happens to be the father of all nations wasnt a jew, and his language was oldAramaic which give birth to Hebrew and arabic and a critical study of languages u will know they sound v. Much alike.. Do ur research on that but let me help you.. Moses in Hebrew, musa in Arabic, Ishmael -Ismail, Abraham -Ibrahim etc
4. Because the rest of the prophets starting form Jacob the sons of Jacob that gave birth to the Jewish language was Hebrew laws were given to moses in hebrew.. But Muhammad is from their brethren that spoke a sister language called arabic
5.arabic
6.jibril is an angel and they aint humans and guven by Gof they should be able to speak any language Gid want them to
7. The quran has an answer to that.

Allah sent down the Quran in the Arabic language; Allah says: {And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people.} [Quran 14:4] the previous Prophets, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent to their own people, so it is for this reason that they were sent speaking their language. However, our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was sent to all nations, but why is it that he was sent with the language of some of them [the Arabs]? The answer is, 'Either he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) would have been sent with the language of all of them, which would have been unusual and abnormal; rather, this would have been most unlikely, and it is impossible that each word of the Quran be repeated in each language, so it had to be in only one language, and the Arabic language is most deserving of it, as it is the richest and most eloquent one and because it is the most suitable language for the addressees (the Arabs).”
8. That the prophet slept with an 8yrs old gal is a shame to come from u... There is no such proof in the quran that said Aisha was atva certain age when she married the prophet... All this age stuffs are just speculation from different theologians trying to guess the age in which she was which could be false.. So have said it was 16 some said 18 19 and some said it was even 9... Getting age 8 from u is another new age which i have never heard of before... So u see, people just saying what thEy wish ..but for clearance.. Mhe was not and never a peodeophile.. It would do well for u to find out the age of Mary mother of Jesus when she married
9. Abraham gave birth two sons remember, its in ur bible.. Ishmael the first son and isaac the second
Ishmael birthed arabia.. isaac birthed isreal... Its all part of the promise of God to make Abraham father of all nations not one nation...
10. Yes the Quran.. M the truth and accurate stories of all Prophet from Adam to jesus including his mother and his birth..you might want to get a cipy of quran and read them.. Very interesting and deep ones.. The Quran said

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (Surah Al-Baqara, 136)..
Jesus Christ said seek the truth and ut shall set u free..
Ma salam

lovingJehovah:
I am wondering if you have any time to answer my questions now. I am delighted that we're approaching the weekend. You have been running Christians and the Bible under the bus in your numerous posts and threads. In one of your comments on July 22 you even shared your contact provoking Christians for a debate
YOU CAN CONTACT ME ON WHATSAPP (08156066958) FOR FULL DEBATE.
WE CAN DIALOGUE ON ONENESS OF GOD, WHO IS JESUS, CRUCIFIXION MATTERS E.T.C
https://www.nairaland.com/3925374/22-bible-verses-love-god/2#58722696
You even PM me to sink the TRUTH in me, perhaps.
After all these displays, I am surprised that you have become busier than the ant all of a sudden.
I will re-post my questions here to make it easy for you. Yours sincerely is still curious for answers.

QUESTIONS
If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
When was the Koran first translated?
In what language were you taught the koran?
Are you an Arab?
If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
Why the confusing method of communication? Could it have been different God's?
Allah is a title (God), what, then, is the true name of Allah? (Reconcile it with the name Musa called his God and provide evidence)
When was the first pronouncement of the word 'Allah'?
Before your mysterious visitation of Mohammed by the angel, what god did Mohammed worship? In what book did he find the law of his god? And what is that book called?
Why is Mohammed more popular than Musa or Ibrahim?
Why is Mohammed's book given superior consideration than Musa' book?
Why is sex and virginity the highest reward to Muslim heroes?
If you believe in Isa(Jesus) as a messenger as your koran says, where are the messages that he preached written?
If God could send Jibril to write a book, why then did he send so many messengers?
If your god is the truth, why do you face the east? Does he live in the Sun?
If you worship the same God as Musa, did he face the east to pray?
What relationship does the worship of God have with the moon?
Did Musa observe the moon?
If Islam is truly the best religion, why isn't Saudi Arabia your holy land taking in Muslim refugees?
Why did 3 Islamic states lose to Israel in the 60ies n 70ies?
Why have Muslims taken up guns and bombs when your prophet says sword?
Why are you socialising with the infidels on this thread, have you come with the motive to cut the neck?
Why are Muslims still puppets to the west?

You put up so many questions at a time thinking I am a full timer like you. maybe you think I will be threatened. Thank God I have the time to be back here again.I will take your questions one after the other

Q1.If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
A1.They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know. Qur’an Ch. 7-187
Q2.What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
A2. Many but will give you few.
a. No contradictions in the Qur’an: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.
b. God promised to protect the Qur’an and till date, it remained unedited: Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Q 15:9)
c. God promised to preserve pharaoh’s body as a sign for those to come. This has been verified.
90. And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims91.Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters? 92. So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless." (Q10-90-92)
Read more; https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-Pharaohs-body-found-and-is-this-a-sign-mentioned-in-the-Quran, http://solomonstemple.com/2010/11/how-the-pharoah-discovery-made-maurice-bucaille-a-quran-believer/
Ease of memorizing the Qur’an: "And in truth We have made the Quran easy to remember; who, then, is willing to take it to heart?" (Quran 54:17)
It’s never a painstaking task finding 100% memorizers of the book even amongst children of 10 yrs and below.
d. The Two-fold Prophecy: Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610–641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590–628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.

In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.[2]

The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia. To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:

"The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful." (Quran 30:2-4)

The Quran made a prophecy of two victories:

(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time

(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans

Both of these prophecies actually occured.

In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host. A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.[3]

Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.

In the words of an Indian scholar:

"…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All these prove the Holy Quran to be the Book of God."
e. Finger Prints: “Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing” (41:21)
f. Establishment of Israel: And after him We said to the Children of Israel, ‘Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people.” (17:105)
Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.
Q3. Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
A3. Yes. Just refer to the pharaoh story I quoted earlier. Open this link about the scientist Maurice Bucaille: http://solomonstemple.com/2010/11/how-the-pharoah-discovery-made-maurice-bucaille-a-quran-believer/
Q4. The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
A4. The bible language is not Arabic and I may not be acquainted with such names. Do you know Dhul Qarnain, Ashaab-al kahf, Khidri e.t.c
Q5. What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
A5. Jerusalem is the city of the third holiest mosque in Islam. We Muslims go there for worship while you Christians go for site seeing
Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allah) [above all that (evil) they associate with Him] [Tafsir Qurtubi, Vol. 10, Page 204] Who took His slave (Muhammad SAW) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to the farthest mosque (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad SAW) of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. (Q 17:1)
Q6. Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
A6. Mecca is the holiest place on earth having the holiest Mosque on it’s soil, Medina is second where lies the Prophet’s mosque and Jerusalem third, Al-aqsa mosque. Unfortunately for you, a city which suppose to be a Christian sanctuary still houses Muslims’ third holiest place on earth.
Q7.What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?
A7. A revelation from the Lord of the whole universe.
[It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. (69:43)
By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom, (Q36:2)
And thus have We sent it (the Quran) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad SAW) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or defender against Allah. (Q13:37)
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Quran). (Q5:15)
Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims. (Q16:102)
Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him) (Q20:113)

Q8.In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
A8. I don’t know
Q9.If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
A9. God has the knowledge of all languages. He uses the dialect of the Messenger He sends the message with. Forget not that the bible mentioned that the kingdom of God shall be given to another nation. Do you expect the message to still come in the language of the Israelites after then? ("Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit-Matthew 21:43)
Q10.What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
A10. Why view the Angels like they are humans like you. Okay you tell me there language since the writers of the bible did through inspiration
Q11.How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
A11. That question doesn’t sound mature enough to me. Tell me the original language of the bible before translation to different languages if it isn’t a strange language. Besides your mother tongue, how many languages do you understand including English which a strange language and did you come to know them?
One of the uniqueness of Islam you don’t want to appreciate is the worshipping in one language and the prophecy of which can be found in the bible. ("Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder-Zephaniah 3:9) Tell me if we don’t worship shoulder to shoulder in the same lips?
Q12.When was the Koran first translated?
A12. Immaterial
Q13.In what language were you taught the koran?
A13. Immaterial
Q14.Are you an Arab?
A14. Immaterial
Q15. If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
A15. Immaterial
Q16.What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
A16. The question is not reasonable. There is ONLY one God right the time of Adam till the end of the world and for ever
Q17.If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
A17. If Christianity was so pure, why do you have so much disagreement in who God and Jesus is?
Q18.If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
A18. Your question makes no sense to me. What do you mean? You believe in multiple gods and that is really your problem.
Q19.In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
A19. You never sound like you want to know, you already have a mind-set based on your conclusions in the next question.
I have chosen not to answer your questions further because I can feel sense of hate. If you wish to continue a open mind dialogue with me, then do on whatsapp. That will be more convenient for me. You already know my line.

lovingJehovah:
If an American who was born in the 19th century holds the key to your culture, then you need to watch the last episode of the popular TV series, Lost.

I am sure that you feel ashamed of yourself now. This is the 20th century book that you put your trust in and place above the Bible? You sounded pretty smarter earlier than this botched comment, for real.
Anyway, let me not judge. I would rather advise you to reconsider your thoughts and ponder over the details surrounding your belief. It would do your some good. The only group that can accommodate your thought is Atheism and you will have serious issues as soon as you begin to go in-depth with them. Before you condemn Christians again, I want you to always remember that your thoughts are Martian and cannot be accepted by any tribe or race. You are not anything close to people beyond the shores of Nigeria. Your cultures and traditions are nothing relating to the Hebrews. And for the record, your homographic countdown is a cheap brainwashing used to ply on gullible minds. What is the meaning of Hebrews-Heeboes- Eboes-Igbos, and recently- Ibo?

Grab a Bible and save your own soul, bro.

""serious issues as soon as you begin to go in-depth with them""

First of all, stop that scare tactics, It's for kids in the church children ministry, It doesn't work on Adults who take decisions from life experience.

Bros stop being very childish. that I don't believe ur God concept doesn't make me An Atheist.


""American who was born in the 19th century holds the key to your culture""

Everything u believe about the Bible was written by those same American people. U refuse what Americans say about who the present Jews are, But at the same time u bought their Bible hook line m sinker.
U said I should give u books to read, I already picked One out for u, The International Jew and ur still arguing.


"". Your cultures and traditions are nothing relating to the Hebrews""

Abeg chill nwanne, don't even go there. The igbos of Nigeria are Hebrew and these black Hebrews do not exist in eastern Nigeria alone, they are many of them in Africa and YES, THE IGBO CULTURE N TRADITIONS ARE EXACTLY THAT OF THE HEBREWS.
U won't know this because u are not an Igbo man.
My Grand Father who didn't meet the Television n internet age Told us that we are a direct lineage of the Hebrews. My grand dad didn't guess this outta the blues, It was a common knowledge for generations now.


''homographic countdown is a cheap brainwashing used to ply on gullible minds. What is the meaning of Hebrews-Heeboes- Eboes-Igbos, and recently- Ibo?"

If u have spent a substantial part of ur life reading books about history of the igbos, U will see several old texts that will show u the entire names the igbos have been called up till this day. There were Anthropologists who were paid Britain to study the igbos and their works are "common knowledge "today. U can find such books online and if u feel the online versions are false, u can buy the books urself n read. Do u know that there are igbos in Edo state called "Igbo Akiri" But after many generation, The igbos of edo state are now called "Igbanke".......There are also a certain igbo clan in Delta state called "Igbo uzo" meaning Igbo bi n'uzo and after some generation they are now called "Ibuzo".

harbjar:

Let me just rush through ur other questions so it wont sound like am running from them..
2. Mohammed is from the descendant ot Abraham and his Great grand father is Ishmael... And God promise to Abraham according to the bible is to make him father of all nations.. Gods promise to Ishmael according to genesis 17vs 20
As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
3.his ancestor depending from who you mean but we both know Abraham who happens to be the father of all nations wasnt a jew, and his language was oldAramaic which give birth to Hebrew and arabic and a critical study of languages u will know they sound v. Much alike.. Do ur research on that but let me help you.. Moses in Hebrew, musa in Arabic, Ishmael -Ismail, Abraham -Ibrahim etc
4. Because the rest of the prophets starting form Jacob the sons of Jacob that gave birth to the Jewish language was Hebrew laws were given to moses in hebrew.. But Muhammad is from their brethren that spoke a sister language called arabic
5.arabic
6.jibril is an angel and they aint humans and guven by Gof they should be able to speak any language Gid want them to
7. The quran has an answer to that.

Allah sent down the Quran in the Arabic language; Allah says: {And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people.} [Quran 14:4] the previous Prophets, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent to their own people, so it is for this reason that they were sent speaking their language. However, our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was sent to all nations, but why is it that he was sent with the language of some of them [the Arabs]? The answer is, 'Either he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) would have been sent with the language of all of them, which would have been unusual and abnormal; rather, this would have been most unlikely, and it is impossible that each word of the Quran be repeated in each language, so it had to be in only one language, and the Arabic language is most deserving of it, as it is the richest and most eloquent one and because it is the most suitable language for the addressees (the Arabs).”
8. That the prophet slept with an 8yrs old gal is a shame to come from u... There is no such proof in the quran that said Aisha was atva certain age when she married the prophet... All this age stuffs are just speculation from different theologians trying to guess the age in which she was which could be false.. So have said it was 16 some said 18 19 and some said it was even 9... Getting age 8 from u is another new age which i have never heard of before... So u see, people just saying what thEy wish ..but for clearance.. Mhe was not and never a peodeophile.. It would do well for u to find out the age of Mary mother of Jesus when she married
9. Abraham gave birth two sons remember, its in ur bible.. Ishmael the first son and isaac the second
Ishmael birthed arabia.. isaac birthed isreal... Its all part of the promise of God to make Abraham father of all nations not one nation...
10. Yes the Quran.. M the truth and accurate stories of all Prophet from Adam to jesus including his mother and his birth..you might want to get a cipy of quran and read them.. Very interesting and deep ones.. The Quran said

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (Surah Al-Baqara, 136)..
Jesus Christ said seek the truth and ut shall set u free..
Ma salam

Moses = Egypt or (Babylonian)

Moshé = Hebrew

Peacefullove:


" Breath.--The same word as "spirit" (Ecclesiastes 3:21; Genesis 7:15; Psalm 104:30)." - Elicotts commentary for English readers .

Why dont you just respect yourself Nd prevent this public show of ignorance ?

That is what the verse means @ bold , Do you know the same word translated " Spirit " in verse 21 of that bible verse, is Just the exact word translated breath in verse 19 .. Yes or No ?



Answer that, and we know if the verse means they are one spirit or not .

I answered u already who told you breadth read again and cure your ignorance.

solite3:
I answered u already who told you breadth read again and cure your ignorance.

You have quickly forgotten, here is what you said to boycott the point

" Ecc 3,vs 9 didn't say all have one spirit but all have one breadth.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. Breath here mean physical life " Says Solite3

The bold is the PROBLEM you have . failing to recognize that breath is also Spirit , not any physical life you imagine in your memory.



" Breath.--The same word as "spirit" (Ecclesiastes 3:21; Genesis 7:15; Psalm 104:30)." - Elicotts commentary for English readers .,

Do u agree with this ?

I see where you are coming from but I am only going to focus on one point.
Everything u believe about the Bible was written by those same American people.
America was discovered in 1492. At that time the Bible was already famous in Latin and German (Note: Latin and German, and not Greek or Hebrew). Before America became a country, Tyndale had begun arrangements for his English translation of the Bible and Wycliffe's version was completed, though unpopular and not widely published. Before the Americans had access to the Bible, the scriptures were already popular to the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Arabs , Caucasians, in Asia Minor, India etc.
I know that you have been weltered into believing that Christianity is a white man's religion. Christianity started in Asia and Africa. Jesus also lived in Africa.
I have met many people with different religious views and I must be real to you. You will have a hard time getting along with any religious group apart from callow minds who are passionate about something that they cannot prove.

I beg to leave you at this juncture. It has been interesting hearing your views. You may choose to stick to your belief. It is you fundamental right and I cannot take that away from you.

PrecisionFx:

""serious issues as soon as you begin to go in-depth with them""

First of all, stop that scare tactics, It's for kids in the church children ministry, It doesn't work on Adults who take decisions from life experience.

Bros stop being very childish. that I don't believe ur God concept doesn't make me An Atheist.


""American who was born in the 19th century holds the key to your culture""

Everything u believe about the Bible was written by those same American people. U refuse what Americans say about who the present Jews are, But at the same time u bought their Bible hook line m sinker.
U said I should give u books to read, I already picked One out for u, The International Jew and ur still arguing.


"". Your cultures and traditions are nothing relating to the Hebrews""

Abeg chill nwanne, don't even go there. The igbos of Nigeria are Hebrew and these black Hebrews do not exist in eastern Nigeria alone, they are many of them in Africa and YES, THE IGBO CULTURE N TRADITIONS ARE EXACTLY THAT OF THE HEBREWS.
U won't know this because u are not an Igbo man.
My Grand Father who didn't meet the Television n internet age Told us that we are a direct lineage of the Hebrews. My grand dad didn't guess this outta the blues, It was a common knowledge for generations now.


''homographic countdown is a cheap brainwashing used to ply on gullible minds. What is the meaning of Hebrews-Heeboes- Eboes-Igbos, and recently- Ibo?"

If u have spent a substantial part of ur life reading books about history of the igbos, U will see several old texts that will show u the entire names the igbos have been called up till this day. There were Anthropologists who were paid Britain to study the igbos and their works are "common knowledge "today. U can find such books online and if u feel the online versions are false, u can buy the books urself n read. Do u know that there are igbos in Edo state called "Igbo Akiri" But after many generation, The igbos of edo state are now called "Igbanke".......There are also a certain igbo clan in Delta state called "Igbo uzo" meaning Igbo bi n'uzo and after some generation they are now called "Ibuzo".

It took you an entire Calendar year to respond. I am not going on a freeway ride in your Limousine. Thank you for your time.

olamkas:

You put up so many questions at a time thinking I am a full timer like you. maybe you think I will be threatened. Thank God I have the time to be back here again.I will take your questions one after the other

Q1.If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
A1.They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know. Qur’an Ch. 7-187
Q2.What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
A2. Many but will give you few.
a. No contradictions in the Qur’an: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.
b. God promised to protect the Qur’an and till date, it remained unedited: Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Q 15:9)
c. God promised to preserve pharaoh’s body as a sign for those to come. This has been verified.
90. And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims91.Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters? 92. So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless." (Q10-90-92)
Read more; https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-Pharaohs-body-found-and-is-this-a-sign-mentioned-in-the-Quran, http://solomonstemple.com/2010/11/how-the-pharoah-discovery-made-maurice-bucaille-a-quran-believer/
Ease of memorizing the Qur’an: "And in truth We have made the Quran easy to remember; who, then, is willing to take it to heart?" (Quran 54:17)
It’s never a painstaking task finding 100% memorizers of the book even amongst children of 10 yrs and below.
d. The Two-fold Prophecy: Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610–641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590–628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.

In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.[2]

The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia. To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:

"The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful." (Quran 30:2-4)

The Quran made a prophecy of two victories:

(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time

(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans

Both of these prophecies actually occured.

In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host. A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.[3]

Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.

In the words of an Indian scholar:

"…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All these prove the Holy Quran to be the Book of God."
e. Finger Prints: “Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing” (41:21)
f. Establishment of Israel: And after him We said to the Children of Israel, ‘Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people.” (17:105)
Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.
Q3. Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
A3. Yes. Just refer to the pharaoh story I quoted earlier. Open this link about the scientist Maurice Bucaille: http://solomonstemple.com/2010/11/how-the-pharoah-discovery-made-maurice-bucaille-a-quran-believer/
Q4. The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
A4. The bible language is not Arabic and I may not be acquainted with such names. Do you know Dhul Qarnain, Ashaab-al kahf, Khidri e.t.c
Q5. What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
A5. Jerusalem is the city of the third holiest mosque in Islam. We Muslims go there for worship while you Christians go for site seeing
Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allah) [above all that (evil) they associate with Him] [Tafsir Qurtubi, Vol. 10, Page 204] Who took His slave (Muhammad SAW) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to the farthest mosque (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad SAW) of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. (Q 17:1)
Q6. Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
A6. Mecca is the holiest place on earth having the holiest Mosque on it’s soil, Medina is second where lies the Prophet’s mosque and Jerusalem third, Al-aqsa mosque. Unfortunately for you, a city which suppose to be a Christian sanctuary still houses Muslims’ third holiest place on earth.
Q7.What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?
A7. A revelation from the Lord of the whole universe.
[It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. (69:43)
By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom, (Q36:2)
And thus have We sent it (the Quran) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad SAW) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or defender against Allah. (Q13:37)
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Quran). (Q5:15)
Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims. (Q16:102)
Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him) (Q20:113)

Q8.In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
A8. I don’t know
Q9.If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
A9. God has the knowledge of all languages. He uses the dialect of the Messenger He sends the message with. Forget not that the bible mentioned that the kingdom of God shall be given to another nation. Do you expect the message to still come in the language of the Israelites after then? ("Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit-Matthew 21:43)
Q10.What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
A10. Why view the Angels like they are humans like you. Okay you tell me there language since the writers of the bible did through inspiration
Q11.How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
A11. That question doesn’t sound mature enough to me. Tell me the original language of the bible before translation to different languages if it isn’t a strange language. Besides your mother tongue, how many languages do you understand including English which a strange language and did you come to know them?
One of the uniqueness of Islam you don’t want to appreciate is the worshipping in one language and the prophecy of which can be found in the bible. ("Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder-Zephaniah 3:9) Tell me if we don’t worship shoulder to shoulder in the same lips?
Q12.When was the Koran first translated?
A12. Immaterial
Q13.In what language were you taught the koran?
A13. Immaterial
Q14.Are you an Arab?
A14. Immaterial
Q15. If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
A15. Immaterial
Q16.What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
A16. The question is not reasonable. There is ONLY one God right the time of Adam till the end of the world and for ever
Q17.If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
A17. If Christianity was so pure, why do you have so much disagreement in who God and Jesus is?
Q18.If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
A18. Your question makes no sense to me. What do you mean? You believe in multiple gods and that is really your problem.
Q19.In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
A19. You never sound like you want to know, you already have a mind-set based on your conclusions in the next question.
I have chosen not to answer your questions further because I can feel sense of hate. If you wish to continue a open mind dialogue with me, then do on whatsapp. That will be more convenient for me. You already know my line.

solite3:
Jesus and his father are one and the Jews tried to stone him. Why do you think the Jews tried to stone him?

John 8:59 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been".
That was the actual statement that he made but they BLASPHEMED and tried to stone him. Have you read that account?

solite3:
Do you even know what trinity is You are the one exposing your heretical teaching denying the deity of Christ. Do you have any problem on the Hebrew or Greek scriptures.

The trinity is a pagan doctrine established by the pagan Constantine in the council of Nicaea in 325. That was about 200 years after the death of the last apostle of Jesus. At that Time the scriptures were already completed. Constantine was not a Christian but a persecutor and killer of true Christians. Matthew 10:23 Jesus asked Christians to flee when being persecuted. Constantine invited pagans and Baal worshipers to a council and they birthed the Trinity doctrine. Have you ever wondered why Jesus or the apostles never taught that? Neither the Hebrew nor Greek scriptures ever taught the Trinity rather, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says, " there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him."
Till date the Trinitarians cannot reel around that verse. Matthew 24:36 Jesus said that he does not know the date this system will end and only his father knows. Can you be equal with someone who knows more that you? Two captains do not man a ship. Jehovah is a God of order and his arrangement has always been in the line of 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

solite3:
what is your point? Now you know that firstborn as used in Colossians does not mean first created.

My point is that your definition stems from an ancient Babylonian temple dedicated to Ba'al. You should use the Bible to synchronize your thought. You are not talking with babies. Streamline your thought to fit the Scriptures. The word of God cannot adjust for you.

solite3:
if positive then you have no point. Jesus is a man according to that verse.

2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.
The Bible never fails to prove its strength as the word of God. Read above

solite3:
is a cub a true lion? You have no point oga!

In kindergarten, kids are taught that Lions have cubs. And those cubs are referred to as Lion cubs or cubs of a Lion.
Jesus is referred to as the son of God or God's son. This is the Bible's rendition. Is it not dishonoring for you to want to enforce the God-the-son concept? Are you wiser than apostle Peter or apostle Paul. Take Paul for example who tasted both opposing religious views. Are you better in age or in wisdom?

solite3:
of cause the father is greater than him but are equal God.

Can you eat your cake and have it? It is logical for someone to be greater yet equal? what breed of logic or reasoning is that?

solite3:
Your father is greater than you but your father is not a greater human than you.

You forever remain your father's son. You can never be your father and your father can never be you. Two distinct persons. You can never be referred to as your father's equal. Do you even know the meaning of father? or son?

solite3:
Jesus is lesser than his father but his father is not a greater God than him.

Ephesians 1:22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation.
Can you be appointed by your equal? Can your equal make you the head?
John 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all,[/b] who is over all and through all and in all..

@solite3 Judge for yourself.

lovingJehovah:
I see where you are coming from but I am only going to focus on one point.
Everything u believe about the Bible was written by those same American people.
America was discovered in 1492. At that time the Bible was already famous in Latin and German (Note: Latin and German, and not Greek or Hebrew). Before America became a country, Tyndale had begun arrangements for his English translation of the Bible and Wycliffe's version was completed, though unpopular and not widely published. Before the Americans had access to the Bible, the scriptures were already popular to the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Arabs , Caucasians, in Asia Minor, India etc.
I know that you have been weltered into believing that Christianity is a white man's religion. Christianity started in Asia and Africa. Jesus also lived in Africa.
I have met many people with different religious views and I must be real to you. You will have a hard time getting along with any religious group apart from callow minds who are passionate about something that they cannot prove.

I beg to leave you at this juncture. It has been interesting hearing your views. You may choose to stick to your belief. It is you fundamental right and I cannot take that away from you.

"" America was discovered in 1492. At that time the Bible was already famous in Latin and German""


Look at this guy?
America was discovered in 1492 .Who discovered America in the first place, EUROPEANS discovered America so it's obvious that they already had Bibles long before 1492.


""Jesus also lived in Africa""


The Bible Jesus is a white man n nothing more. Judaism already taught us that the Savior who will liberate is yet to be born. The Hebrews world wide do not believe in Jesus and yet ordinary u living in Africa now know the Bible more than the owners of Christianity/Judaism.




""You will have a hard time getting along with any religious group apart from callow minds who are passionate about something that they cannot prove"

Oga u cannot prove anything as regards to Christianity.





CHRISTIANITY IS A ROMAN RELIGION, NOTHING MORE.

WE ALREADY KNEW GOD BEFORE THE WHITE MEN CAME WITH THEIR RELIGION.

PrecisionFx:
Look at this guy?
Who discovered America in the first place, EUROPEANS discovered America so it's obvious that they already had Bibles long before 1492.

Oh. good! So, be precise about names that you mention. Are you referring to Americans or Europeans? I am sure that your level of awareness stretches beyond that.

PrecisionFx:
The Bible Jesus is a white man n nothing more. Judaism already taught us that the Savior who will liberate is yet to be born. The Hebrews world wide do not believe in Jesus and yet ordinary u living in Africa now know the Bible more than the owners of Christianity/Judaism.

Well, there are some points that you need to gather some knowledge about. Judaism has no business with the Bible. The Jews believe in the law of Moses while Christians believe in the law of Christ. Christians believe in the scriptureS that make up what you know as the Bible. Figure that out!
If Jesus was a white man, were the Hebrews black?
If your savior is yet to be born, from what tribe (or race) will he come?
Have you heard of the Qumran settler who perished while waiting for their Messiah who had come and gone?

PrecisionFx:
CHRISTIANITY IS A ROMAN RELIGION, NOTHING MORE.

If that is what you believe, so be it.

PrecisionFx:
WE ALREADY KNEW GOD BEFORE THE WHITE MEN CAME WITH THEIR RELIGION.

White men! What race are you? Or what race is the "we"?

harbjar:

Beget means to reproduce..
You mean God gave birth to a son!!!!! Thats blasphemy.. Pls who is the mother or wife of God

Obviously, you're a muslim, that'r why you're starting with the blasphemy scream. Begotten in this case means "to proceed out of". Jesus is a man that proceeded out of the father, thereby becoming the only begotten Son of God. You could become a son of God too, if you just recieve Him (Jesus) into your life.

lovingJehovah:
Oh. good! So, be precise about names that you mention. Are you referring to Americans or Europeans? I am sure that your level of awareness stretches beyond that.
Well, there are some points that you need to gather some knowledge about. Judaism has no business with the Bible. The Jews believe in the law of Moses while Christians believe in the law of Christ. Christians believe in the scriptureS that make up what you know as the Bible. Figure that out!
If Jesus was a white man, were the Hebrews black?
If your savior is yet to be born, from what tribe (or race) will he come?
Have you heard of the Qumran settler who perished while waiting for their Messiah who had come and gone?
If that is what you believe, so be it.
White men! What race are you? Or what race is the "we"?

""Judaism has no business with the Bible""

The above is the reason why I won't answer u again .

Get ur self ''educated"

U can continue .

The Hebrews world wide do not believe in Jesus and yet ordinary u living in Africa now know the Bible more than the owners of Christianity/Judaism
The above is an excerpt from your comment and I just copied and pasted. What sense were you trying to make?

I am offering you the best free edification. The books of the Bible are called scriptures. No true Hebrew as you claim to be would imply to knowing the Bible more than an African. And what gave you the impression that I live in Africa?

The word 'Bible' is not mentioned in the scriptures. What we have are 66 books called the Hebrew and Greek scriptures. Condemning the Bible entirely means condemning Judaism and condemning your own acclaimed root.

Judaism does not approve of the teachings of Jesus hence they do not accept the Greek scriptures. As a self-acclaimed Hebrew, you should be acquainted with the word TORAH or Pentateuch, not 'The International Jew'.


Let me cite a Hebrew verse to your delight
Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,

@PrecisionFx It is not too late to rethink yet. Choose life!

PrecisionFx:






""Judaism has no business with the Bible""

The above is the reason why I won't answer u again .

Get ur self ''educated"

U can continue .

lovingJehovah:
It took you an entire Calendar year to respond. I am not going on a freeway ride in your Limousine. Thank you for your time.

If that's all you've gotta say, then I got you shut up. I truly you have the luxury of time, challenge my reply word after word with loads of questions as usual. It doesn't matter how many calender years it will take me. I work dawn to dusk.

You should focus on your work, Sir. I am not made for dissension

olamkas:

If that's all you've gotta say, then I got you shut up. I truly you have the luxury of time, challenge my reply word after word with loads of questions as usual. It doesn't matter how many calender years it will take me. I work dawn to dusk.

joshnes:
Obviously, you're a muslim, that'r why you're starting with the blasphemy scream. Begotten in this case means "to proceed out of". Jesus is a man that proceeded out of the father, thereby becoming the only begotten Son of God. You could become a son of God too, if you just recieve Him (Jesus) into your life.

Basically God gave birth to him .. It only gets worse the more you try to prove that word "begotten "
No wonder The New International Version (NIV) removed the word and used "only son"..