harbjar:

Basically God gave birth to him .. It only gets worse the more you try to prove that word "begotten "
No wonder The New International Version (NIV) removed the word and used "only son"..

The NIV you mentioned is perfect for what I am trying to explain to you. It uses "...one and only Son who came from the Father..." (John 1:14 NIV). Which is what I told you begotten here means "to proceed from" "to come from". He is the only Son to come from the Father. You would have understood this if you weren't trying to be so sarcastic.

lovingJehovah:
The Hebrews world wide do not believe in Jesus and yet ordinary u living in Africa now know the Bible more than the owners of Christianity/Judaism
The above is an excerpt from your comment and I just copied and pasted. What sense were you trying to make?

I am offering you the best free edification. The books of the Bible are called scriptures. No true Hebrew as you claim to be would imply to knowing the Bible more than an African. And what gave you the impression that I live in Africa?

The word 'Bible' is not mentioned in the scriptures. What we have are 66 books called the Hebrew and Greek scriptures. Condemning the Bible entirely means condemning Judaism and condemning your own acclaimed root.

Judaism does not approve of the teachings of Jesus hence they do not accept the Greek scriptures. As a self-acclaimed Hebrew, you should be acquainted with the word TORAH or Pentateuch, not 'The International Jew'.


Let me cite a Hebrew verse to your delight
Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,

@PrecisionFx It is not too late to rethink yet. Choose life!

You poorly represented Judaism. Your knowledge is built on a move against the Bible but not for Judaism.
Immediately I reversed the argument, you exposed your void. Jehovah's Witnesses would be glad to help you appreciate the Bible and cut through the dogma. You are an intelligent creature and Jehovah invites you to succumb to his direction found in the Bible. No other book offers any hope for the future. Do not waste your life chasing the wind when the truth is with you all along.

PrecisionFx:

joshnes:
The NIV you mentioned is perfect for what I am trying to explain to you. It uses "...one and only Son who came from the Father..." (John 1:14 NIV). Which is what I told you begotten here means "to proceed from" "to come from". He is the only Son to come from the Father. You would have understood this if you weren't trying to be so sarcastic.

Noo am not... Trying to reason with you and need you to explain to me.. Willing to learn... If you say beget doesn't mean to reproduce as humans and animals does but "to proceed out of " not like through the orifice but like hoe eve was created out of Adam right....

Peacefullove:


You have quickly forgotten, here is what you said to boycott the point

" Ecc 3,vs 9 didn't say all have one spirit but all have one breadth.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. Breath here mean physical life " Says Solite3

The bold is the PROBLEM you have . failing to recognize that breath is also Spirit , not any physical life you imagine in your memory.



" Breath.--The same word as "spirit" (Ecclesiastes 3:21; Genesis 7:15; Psalm 104:30)." - Elicotts commentary for English readers .,

Do u agree with this ?

breath may or may not mean Spirit depending on the context it is used.

[quote author=lovingJehovah post=62958590] John 8:59 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been".
That was the actual statement that he made but they BLASPHEMED and tried to stone him. Have you read that account?

sure I have. The Jews accused Jesus of claiming pre existence before Abraham and Jesus didnt correct them because they were right.


John 10 vs 30 I and my Father are one
the jews wanted to stone jesus because he made himself God but Jesus again didn't correct because they were Right he is God.

The trinity is a pagan doctrine established by the pagan Constantine in the council of Nicaea in 325. That was about 200 years after the death of the last apostle of Jesus. At that Time the scriptures were already completed. Constantine was not a Christian but a persecutor and killer of true Christians. Matthew 10:23 Jesus asked Christians to flee when being persecuted. Constantine invited pagans and Baal worshipers to a council and they birthed the Trinity doctrine.

Is there any pagan doctrine that teaches Trinity? trinity not tritheism.

Have you ever wondered why Jesus or the apostles never taught that? Neither the Hebrew nor Greek scriptures ever taught the Trinity rather, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says, " there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him."

Jesus didnt teach trinity?

Matt 28 vs 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of The Son and of the Holy Ghost:

Till date the Trinitarians cannot reel around that verse. Matthew 24:36 Jesus said that he does not know the date this system will end and only his father knows. Can you be equal with someone who knows more that you? Two captains do not man a ship. Jehovah is a God of order and his arrangement has always been in the line of 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus as a man is less than God. headship is about authority. The fact that woman is less than man in authority, does it mean woman is a lesser human than man? dont let dogma blind you to the truth.

My point is that your definition stems from an ancient Babylonian temple dedicated to Ba'al. You should use the Bible to synchronize your thought. You are not talking with babies. Streamline your thought to fit the Scriptures. The word of God cannot adjust for you.

how does my point relate to babylonia temple. my points are 100% biblical
2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.
The Bible never fails to prove its strength as the word of God. Read above

In kindergarten, kids are taught that Lions have cubs. And those cubs are referred to as Lion cubs or cubs of a Lion.
Jesus is referred to as the son of God or God's son. This is the Bible's rendition. Is it not dishonoring for you to want to enforce the God-the-son concept? Are you wiser than apostle Peter or apostle Paul. Take Paul for example who tasted both opposing religious views. Are you better in age or in wisdom?

lion cubs! wonderful, Are lion cubs goats or lions? paul and I are in agreement. it is dishonoring for you to seek to put the Son of God down because of heresy. Remember you cant put the son down and honor the Father.

Can you eat your cake and have it? It is logical for someone to be greater yet equal? what breed of logic or reasoning is that?

I certaintly love cakes but there is none here. yes very logical for example you less than the president in position but two of you are equal human beings with same human right. A man is high than is wife in leadership authority but the man and his wife are equal human.etc cant you see it is so easy

You forever remain your father's son. You can never be your father and your father can never be you. Two distinct persons. You can never be referred to as your father's equal. Do you even know the meaning of father? or son?
Ephesians 1:22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation.
Can you be appointed by your equal? Can your equal make you the head?
John 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all,[/b] who is over all and through all and in all..

@solite3 Judge for yourself.

yea my father and i are different but my father is not more human than i am. As a human all that my father can do i can also do too because we are same human.

Jesus was made lower than not just God but angels on earth that is why here was exalted by his Father again. As a man he is less than God.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor; and that by the grace of God shold taste death for every man.

harbjar:

Noo am not... Trying to reason with you and need you to explain to me.. Willing to learn... If you say beget doesn't mean to reproduce as humans and animals does but "to proceed out of " not like through the orifice but like hoe eve was created out of Adam right....

You're almost there, but not like Eve from Adam. More like a branch from a tree. The tree has the branch and the branch is the tree

joshnes:
You're almost there, but not like Eve from Adam. More like a branch from a tree. The tree has the branch and the branch is the tree

..i am forced to accept your perception though i know 99.9% of xtains dont see that word "begets" as break out from
But over and above that So why does God need a son....

solite3:

sure I have. The Jews accused Jesus of claiming pre existence before Abraham and Jesus didnt correct them because they were right.

The Bible verse that you read said that it was Jesus himself who made the statement that before Abraham he had been living. It wasn't "they" who were right, because "they" did not make that statement. Therefore, Jesus had no reason to correct someone else for a point that he himself made.

solite3:
John 10 vs 30 I and my Father are one
the jews wanted to stone jesus because he made himself God but Jesus again didn't correct because they were Right he is God.

You, in turn, have become one of Jesus blasphemers by your statement above. Why didn't you read that chapter before lying against Jesus? John 10:34-36 clearly details Jesus explanation of verse 31 and he corrected their thoughts. Jesus clearly said the reason why they accused him verse 36 "...Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"
But, here you are telling the whole world a different story. Why?

solite3:
Is there any pagan doctrine that teaches Trinity? trinity not tritheism.

You should do proper research concerning what you defend. Now, here is a brief one. In a bid to keep control of his religiously divided empire, the hellenistic emperor of Rome, Constantine, who splurged on bacchanal, ecstatic orgies and following the line of his predecessors in killing true Christians that defiantly refuse to embrace paganism, arranged for a gathering called the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, and that was the birth of the trinity doctrine in Christianity. Who were the attendees? Pagans! Wolves in sheep clothing, Pharisees etc. No true Christian would ever accept an invitation of that sort, and do you know why? The answer is in 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?.
Jesus met Constantine's progenitor and told him the words in John 18:37 "... Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Would a true Christian be yoked in a gathering with groups of pagans who persecuted and killed them to listen and negotiate his belief? No! Jesus referred to the Romans as the disgusting thing Matthew 24:15. You would not expect a Pagan to legalize true Christianity for you, would you? Did you know Jesus died in 33 CE while apostle John completed his last book of the Bible around 96 CE? He possible died sometime afterwards. Did you know the council of Nicaea in 325 was approximately three generations after the last apostle died ( 229 years)? Did you know that after Constantine legalized Christianity in Rome, true Christians continued to be persecuted because their beliefs didn't agree with the resolution of the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE?. Why would persecution continue even after then? The answer is the adjective "true". True Christians never accepted or dared to blend false doctrines into their faith even if it would cost them comfort or even their own lives. Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

solite3:
Jesus didnt teach trinity?
Matt 28 vs 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of The Son and of the Holy Ghost:

How does this explain 3 in one God? Is there a mention of "God' in this verse? No! What is the name of the holy spirit in which it says to baptise? Referring to Acts 1:5 could water be synonymous with the holy spirit? What is the difference between the Holy Spirit and the holy ghost (spirit and ghost)? How can you reconcile that verse to Jesus teachings in John 17:3 and Luke 11:13?
Jesus clearly told us who his father is and who he is as the son. About the holy spirit, he never taught that it is a God, but a good gift. It is God's active force and not God itself. It has never been a person but a force with which Jehovah accomplishes. Acts 1:8; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; Galatians 5:22, 23; Luke 1:35; Micah 3:8
1 Peter 1:3 "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead".
1 Timothy 2:5; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

solite3:
Jesus as a man is less than God. headship is about authority. The fact that woman is less than man in authority, does it mean woman is a lesser human than man? dont let dogma blind you to the truth.

How about Jesus as a spirit? When he said the words in your famous Bible verse "I and the father are one" was he a spirit or a man? How do you explain Revelation 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place...? Remember Jesus was no longer a man at the time this book was written. he was already in heaven as a spirit at Jehovah's right hand.
The husband is a human and so is the wife. Jehovah is a spirit and so is his son, Jesus.

solite3:
lion cubs! wonderful, Are lion cubs goats or lions? paul and I are in agreement. it is dishonoring for you to seek to put the Son of God down because of heresy. Remember you cant put the son down and honor the Father.

We do not put Jesus down. He is our king and saviour. As he told us in John 17:3, there is ONE TRUE GOD and he is the son of that one. He said it! We are grateful to the father for sending us his beloved son to save us from the wrath of sin and death. No one is putting him down but you. Lying against him and believing that you are exonerating him is insidious. You may think that you mean well, but you have deviated from the course of true worship.
Tell the truth about the word of God just as it is written. You cannot claim to love someone by lying against him or making him a liar. Calling Jesus God is committing the same blasphemy that the Pharisees committed that finally led to his death. So, stop attempting to kill Jesus for a second time by blaspheming. Just tell the truth written in the Bible and not making Jesus a liar. Here are his words in John 17:3; John 5:30; John 14:28; John 10:29; John 20:17.

solite3:
yea my father and i are different but my father is not more human than i am. As a human all that my father can do i can also do too because we are same human.

So are Jesus and the father spirits. They are both spirits as you and your father are humans.

solite3:
Jesus was made lower than not just God but angels on earth that is why here was exalted by his Father again. As a man he is less than God.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor; and that by the grace of God shold taste death for every man.

Did you know that your heresy is exposed in the emboldened above? Where in the Bible is it recorded that he was made lower than God? I really want to see it.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus who was made...
No offence intended, Let me ask you, do you know what a passive verb is?

lovingJehovah:
You should focus on your work, Sir. I am not made for dissension

From the real truth you run. Why have you not continue with me or harbjar just as you follow up with precisionfx.
See how difficult you guys find it to reconcile on the most important aspect of believe. You see undisputable evidences and rescinded. Well, I am not here to win a trophy but to open your eyes to what you have haven't seen of truth. If you like, call Jesus God. If you like say he's only a son of God. Both views are never correct. Come into devine light, come into Islam.
If you think I need to be enlightened, then drop your whatsapp contact and let's chat on.

olamkas:

From the real truth you run. Why have you not continue with me or harbjar just as you follow up with precisionfx.
See how difficult you guys find it to reconcile on the most important aspect of believe. You see undisputable evidences and rescinded. Well, I am not here to win a trophy but to open your eyes to what you have haven't seen of truth. If you like, call Jesus God. If you like say he's only a son of God. Both views are never correct. Come into devine light, come into Islam.
If you think I need to be enlightened, then drop your whatsapp contact and let's chat on.

Islam

See dis guy oo.
Islam n Christianity are both fake religions.
So u don't know Mohammed was born a Christian, A Catholic?

joshnes:
The NIV you mentioned is perfect for what I am trying to explain to you. It uses "...one and only Son who came from the Father..." (John 1:14 NIV). Which is what I told you begotten here means "to proceed from" "to come from". He is the only Son to come from the Father. You would have understood this if you weren't trying to be so sarcastic.

Wait oo.
Are u trying to say that Jesus had a mother in heaven who gave birth to him before he was sent to die on the cross for Christians

Or did God just created him like he created Adam.

PrecisionFx:



Wait oo.
Are u trying to say that Jesus had a mother in heaven who gave birth to him before he was sent to die on the cross for Christians

Or did God just created him like he created Adam.

I am saying neither, I am saying Jesus is no different from God. To understand what you quoted, you'll have to read my other replies with the same guy.

Because you are a Muslims and if you read the rules and regulations of Nairaland you will notice that you are breaking the rules which means committing a crime on Nairaland. And, you sound contentious while I am not ready for a conflict or debate. I am not Israel, so there is no trophy to be won.

olamkas:

From the real truth you run. Why have you not continue with me or harbjar just as you follow up with precisionfx.
See how difficult you guys find it to reconcile on the most important aspect of believe. You see undisputable evidences and rescinded. Well, I am not here to win a trophy but to open your eyes to what you have haven't seen of truth. If you like, call Jesus God. If you like say he's only a son of God. Both views are never correct. Come into devine light, come into Islam.
If you think I need to be enlightened, then drop your whatsapp contact and let's chat on.

I would never want to go into any DEvine light. The Bible says Ishmael will ever be aggressive and cantankerous. Have you ever wondered why Arabs and Muslims are haughty and aggressive?

lovingJehovah:
Because you are a Muslims and if you read the rules and regulations of Nairaland you will notice that you are breaking the rules which means committing a crime on Nairaland. And, you sound contentious while I am not ready for a conflict or debate. I am not Israel, so there is no trophy to be won. I would never want to go into any DEvine light. The Bible says Ishmael will ever be aggressive and cantankerous. Have you ever wondered why Arabs and Muslims are haughty and aggressive?

""Have you ever wondered why Arabs and Muslims are haughty and aggressive""


The above is one of the most stupid things a human being can assume.
""

joshnes:
I am saying neither, I am saying Jesus is no different from God. To understand what you quoted, you'll have to read my other replies with the same guy.

There's nothing like Trinity in the Bible.

PrecisionFx:


There's nothing like Trinity in the Bible.

OK

When you copy a sentence, copy the entire context.

PrecisionFx:

The Bible says Ishmael will ever be aggressive and cantankerous.
""Have you ever wondered why Arabs and Muslims are haughty and aggressive""


The above is one of the most stupid things a human being can assume.
""

lovingJehovah:
When you copy a sentence, copy the entire context.

Like I said, the trash u wrote can only come from Massive ignorance.

Go and read.

There is no dispute about it.. It was prophesied as far back as Isaiah9:6,7


For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this

We have not come to combat 3 yet. Why are you sounding so aggressive? You should be able to defend what you put out in a civilised manner, not by aggression.

PrecisionFx:

Like I said, the trash u wrote can only come from Massive ignorance.
Go and read.

lovingJehovah:
The Bible verse that you read said that it was Jesus himself who made the statement that before Abraham he had been living. It wasn't "they" who were right, because "they" did not make that statement. Therefore, Jesus had no reason to correct someone else for a point that he himself made.
You, in turn, have become one of Jesus blasphemers by your statement above. Why didn't you read that chapter before lying against Jesus? John 10:34-36 clearly details Jesus explanation of verse 31 and he corrected their thoughts. Jesus clearly said the reason why they accused him verse 36 "...Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"
But, here you are telling the whole world a different story. Why?
You should do proper research concerning what you defend. Now, here is a brief one. In a bid to keep control of his religiously divided empire, the hellenistic emperor of Rome, Constantine, who splurged on bacchanal, ecstatic orgies and following the line of his predecessors in killing true Christians that defiantly refuse to embrace paganism, arranged for a gathering called the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, and that was the birth of the trinity doctrine in Christianity. Who were the attendees? Pagans! Wolves in sheep clothing, Pharisees etc. No true Christian would ever accept an invitation of that sort, and do you know why? The answer is in 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?.
Jesus met Constantine's progenitor and told him the words in John 18:37 "... Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Would a true Christian be yoked in a gathering with groups of pagans who persecuted and killed them to listen and negotiate his belief? No! Jesus referred to the Romans as the disgusting thing Matthew 24:15. You would not expect a Pagan to legalize true Christianity for you, would you? Did you know Jesus died in 33 CE while apostle John completed his last book of the Bible around 96 CE? He possible died sometime afterwards. Did you know the council of Nicaea in 325 was approximately three generations after the last apostle died ( 229 years)? Did you know that after Constantine legalized Christianity in Rome, true Christians continued to be persecuted because their beliefs didn't agree with the resolution of the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE?. Why would persecution continue even after then? The answer is the adjective "true". True Christians never accepted or dared to blend false doctrines into their faith even if it would cost them comfort or even their own lives. Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
How does this explain 3 in one God? Is there a mention of "God' in this verse? No! What is the name of the holy spirit in which it says to baptise? Referring to Acts 1:5 could water be synonymous with the holy spirit? What is the difference between the Holy Spirit and the holy ghost (spirit and ghost)? How can you reconcile that verse to Jesus teachings in John 17:3 and Luke 11:13?
Jesus clearly told us who his father is and who he is as the son. About the holy spirit, he never taught that it is a God, but a good gift. It is God's active force and not God itself. It has never been a person but a force with which Jehovah accomplishes. Acts 1:8; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; Galatians 5:22, 23; Luke 1:35; Micah 3:8
1 Peter 1:3 "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead".
1 Timothy 2:5; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6
How about Jesus as a spirit? When he said the words in your famous Bible verse "I and the father are one" was he a spirit or a man? How do you explain Revelation 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place...? Remember Jesus was no longer a man at the time this book was written. he was already in heaven as a spirit at Jehovah's right hand.
The husband is a human and so is the wife. Jehovah is a spirit and so is his son, Jesus.
We do not put Jesus down. He is our king and saviour. As he told us in John 17:3, there is ONE TRUE GOD and he is the son of that one. He said it! We are grateful to the father for sending us his beloved son to save us from the wrath of sin and death. No one is putting him down but you. Lying against him and believing that you are exonerating him is insidious. You may think that you mean well, but you have deviated from the course of true worship.
Tell the truth about the word of God just as it is written. You cannot claim to love someone by lying against him or making him a liar. Calling Jesus God is committing the same blasphemy that the Pharisees committed that finally led to his death. So, stop attempting to kill Jesus for a second time by blaspheming. Just tell the truth written in the Bible and not making Jesus a liar. Here are his words in John 17:3; John 5:30; John 14:28; John 10:29; John 20:17.
So are Jesus and the father spirits. They are both spirits as you and your father are humans.
Did you know that your heresy is exposed in the emboldened above? Where in the Bible is it recorded that he was made lower than God? I really want to see it.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus who was made...
No offence intended, Let me ask you, do you know what a passive verb is?

All this jehova witness people sef

There has never been a dispute about it. The clarification is what Jesus made at John 17:3 that there is an ONLY TRUE GOD". The only one referred to as ALmighty God.
Let me ask you, does Jesus have a God?

salvation101:
There is no dispute about it.. It was prophesied as far back as Isaiah9:6,7
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this

What about them?

salvation101:

All this jehova witness people sef

lovingJehovah:
There has never been a dispute about it. The clarification is what Jesus made at John 17:3 that there is an ONLY TRUE GOD". The only one referred to as ALmighty God.
Let me ask you, does Jesus have a God?

Jesus is God. Co equal, co eternal with the Father.. When God said in the beginning, "let us make man in our image and after our likeness" notice the plurality, who was He speaking with?

lovingJehovah:
What about them?

how u r quick to copy from those ur jw materials ni..

Can you rephrase your question?

salvation101:
how u r quick to copy from those ur jw materials ni..

would you be like to hear the Bible's viewpoint? How about John 20:17 when Jesus himself says that he has a God? Would you call Jesus a liar?

1 Corinthians 11:3 Says that God is the head of Jesus. Would you define the head as co-equal? Is your head co-equal with your body?

salvation101:
Jesus is God. Co equal, co eternal with the Father.. When God said in the beginning, "let us make man in our image and after our likeness" notice the plurality, who was He speaking with?

lovingJehovah:
would you be like to hear the Bible's viewpoint? How about John 20:17 when Jesus himself says that he has a God? Would you call Jesus a liar?

1 Corinthians 11:3 Says that God is the head of Jesus. Would you define the head as co-equal? Is your head co-equal with your body?

we will take it one after the other. Answer dat question first so we don't muddle things up as we proceed. In ur opinion who was God talking to wen He said "lets make man in our image".. Answer dat den we can proceed with other questions

Apparently, the Bible did not mention who he referred to by name. But through reasoning from other verses, we can deduce that he referred to Jesus.

salvation101:
we will take it one after the other. Answer dat question first so we don't muddle things up as we proceed. In ur opinion who was God talking to wen He said "lets make man in our image".. Answer dat den we can proceed with other questions

olamkas:

From the real truth you run. Why have you not continue with me or harbjar just as you follow up with precisionfx.
See how difficult you guys find it to reconcile on the most important aspect of believe. You see undisputable evidences and rescinded. Well, I am not here to win a trophy but to open your eyes to what you have haven't seen of truth. If you like, call Jesus God. If you like say he's only a son of God. Both views are never correct. Come into devine light, come into Islam.
no
If you think I need to be enlightened, then drop your whatsapp contact and let's chat on.

The devine light that Jesus is not the son of God? Do you think calling Jesus son of God constitute part of the corruption contained in the Bible. I am tempted to ask who is Adam in relation to God? Is it right to view individuals and those that have worked and walked with God the way God sees them? Do you feel Christians demean God by saying he has a son?

lovingJehovah:
Apparently, the Bible did not mention who he referred to by name. But through reasoning from other verses, we can deduce that he referred to Jesus.

correct. But not Jesus alone cos in Gen 1:2 we could see that the Spirit of God was also involved in creation..
Now back to ur initial questions, Jesus didn't lie but probably u misunderstood him.. The book was written by John but u can also see that he already started the book by declaring Jesus (the word) as God.. Jesus name is Emmanuel (God with us)..

Paul saying God is the Head of Christ should also not be taken out of context.. He also likened Christ as the head of the church.. The church was also referred to as the body of Christ, this simply means Jesus and the His church is one.