smoy:
Mark 15:34 At three, he uttered a loud cry, “Elohi! Elohi! L’mah sh’vaktani?” (which means, “My God! My God! Why have you deserted me?”)

those that sound like Allah or not, Jesus uses Allah.

I thought you as a Muslim believe Jesus did not die on the cross to begin with. Which of the Jesus spoke those Aramaic words on the cross again?

The Confusion your self proclaimed religion has put you in is cosmic.

olasaad:


I no but its just seems confusing. Some claims Jesus is Jew why other says he's a christian. So that is what I want clarity on.

Jesus is a Jew by tribe, because he is from the tribe of Judah, but by religion...he is neither a Jew,Christian or Muslim. He brought no religion.

juanomowa:


I came in with no invitation...apology.

Jesus is no Jew. In fact, I can say He has no religion. Though He was birthed among them, being Hebrew, but He didn't choose their way; hypocrisy, lies, etc. And He was hated. He doesn't regard their Laws too, 'Cuz they appeared futile to Him. And because of these He sets a new doctrine/religion, as it is written, 'Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it'.

Christian simply mean follower of Christ or Christ- like, because He is the founder of Christianity.

Jesus can't be a Christian because the religion started after He left. And He wasn't a Jew for they did not accept Him cuz His ways is not theirs. And for these cause Muslims will say Jesus is a muslim. Because He followed the faith of Abraham, which is MONOTHEISM. Believing in One God.

I'm so weak at the moment, but I have try to explain that the way I can, presently.

Jesus is a Jew by tribe not by Religion...because he brought no religion to this world.

smoy:
Allah cannot dissapear because the Muslim world has never hid the name in the Qur'an every body can call the name for good unlike the Jew that forbid the calling of the name and hid same to their generation.

and Jehovah was used by the pagan of their generation as god even b4 the coming of Moses.

The name of god is not Allah! Allah is not a name it's a title!

What is ur God's name?

Maamin:


Sorry if I was a bit harsh. I understand all that you wrote up there...I am vast in semitic languages

The part I stroke was what I disagreed with. But i later saw that you explained it better. Nice work. Stay in grace of our Lord Jesus.



Shalom aleikhem!

And may His peace be upon you too.
Have a beautiful night rest

smoy:
all prophet brought nothing but one religion called Islam, (that is submission to the will of Allah) Muhammad only came as the last prophet of all for Islam. nothing like Christianity nor Judaism they were all man made.

Interesting. So Judaism and Christianity that precede Islam are manmade but Islam isn't?

When anyone reading the Quran can tell its a pervertion of the Bible

olasaad:


I no but its just seems confusing. Some claims Jesus is Jew why other says he's a christian. So that is what I want clarity on.

Jesus was a Jew. A Jew is a descendant of Yakub (Jacob). Yakubs other name was Israel.

Jesus was not a Christian. His followers are Christians which translated means "little Christ's".
Christian used to be a derogatory name used to address the followers of Jesus like in today's lingo (SU, spiricoco etc).

Jesus did not come to establish a religion,
1. He came to establish a relationship where a hopeless sinner like me can receive grace to call God the Creator Daddy.
2. He came that an unqualified sinner like me can receive grace to have my name written in the REGISTER of Heaven (book of life).
3. He came to pay the price to receive the Unconditional LOVE of God

1Sharon:


Interesting. So Judaism and Christianity that precede Islam are manmade but Islam isn't?

When anyone reading the Quran can tell its a pervertion of the Bible

Don't mind him.
Ask him "Are Jews Muslims?"
Muslims forget in their hatered for Jews that Mary, Zacharias(Sakariyau), Moses (Musa), David (Daud), Solomon(Sulaimon) etc were Jews. SMH

Maamin:


Jesus is a Jew by tribe not by Religion...because he brought no religion to this world.

Now, that's a point. By tribe not Religion, seeing He is a descendant of Judah.

He brought no religion but He left a doctrine and those who choose to follow it are called Christian, which is now a religion today.

1Sharon:


The name of god is not Allah! Allah is not a name it's a title!

What is ur God's name?

I've talked with christians who usually criticize muslims for learning bible points to enable them argue comparatively.

Some of you here are quoting Quranic.verses and hadiths. This is good. It makes for a better discuss.

To your inquiry tho. Allah's names abound in the Qur'an. A typical example would be Surah Al fatiha verse 1. Ar.Rahman (The Most Gracious) and Ar Rahim (The Merciful) are both mentioned.
These are names of Allah. They are numerous. Al Majid, Al Ghaffar, Al Muhaymin.

Muslims are allowed to bear a variation of these names which.has a prefix of Abd or Abdul. This signifies our servitude to Allah. For example Abdul Razaq means servant of the Provider.

Following

shadeyinka:

Don't mind him.
Ask him "Are Jews Muslims?"
Muslims forget in their hatered for Jews that Mary, Zacharias(Sakariyau), Moses (Musa), David (Daud), Solomon(Sulaimon) etc were Jews. SMH

Of course.they were Jews. That's just their tribe. They practiced monotheism tho. This is the monotheism that Muhammad was sent to perfect and name Islam. Islam means total submission to the will of Allah. Adam, the first man practiced this.

From then other prophet's have all preached monotheism and enjoined it on the people Allah sent them to. They were given books; Torah (David), Injeel or gospel (Jesus), Quran (Muhammad). This is why there seems to be similarity within these holy books.

However we believe that these books have been adulterated. And this is the reason that the Qur'an was sent down to all of mankind to set them on the straight part of monotheism once again.

You folks make it sound like Muhammad put together the religion of Islam. This is not true....

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? Qur'an, 3:144

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

I do have some sketchy points with my religion like the status of a woman in the religion but Islam still stands out amongst all.

juanomowa:


Now, that's a point. By tribe not Religion, seeing He is a descendant of Judah.

He brought no religion but He left a doctrine and those who choose to follow it are called Christian, which is now a religion today.

Yes..but the fact remains that he did not institute any religion. Religion is man made.

cooljude:


Islam is a spin-off of Christianity and Judaism as Christianity is a spin-off of Judaism. Zoroastrian preceded Judaism as a monotheist Religion.

Their isn't a need arguing with your view because most religious bigots are narrowed minded who don't have the ability to criticise and analyse their faith.

Religion is man-made and to correct your fallacy, Allah was one of the many pagan GOD in Arabia same as the new Yahweh was once one of the many Pagan GOD.

I have to admit the islam is a better copy of Judaism because of the monotheistic nature of the religion while christaiity is something else because of the concept of Trinity.

where did you find Trinity in the Bible, there's only one God.

BenzEne1:


Of course.they were Jews. That's just their tribe. They practiced monotheism tho. This is the monotheism that Muhammad was sent to perfect and name Islam. Islam means total submission to the will of Allah. Adam, the first man practiced this.

And being Jewish has nothing to do with religion.
As you rightly said, they were all Jews by tribe.
But,
1. If you look closely, you will discover that there is one fundermental difference between Jehovah the God of the Jews and Allah of Prophet Mohammed. And the difference is that while Jehovah loves the Jews with an everlasting love, Allah seems to hate the Jews with a passion. In fact, Allah seems to treat the Jews as strangers. I can give you references if you want.
2. There is one consistent ordinance in the religion of the Jews and even Christians that is absent in Islam: and that is Sacrifice of Blood for Atonement.

3. Since you said that Mohammed came to perfect the Monotheism of the Jews, in what ways? What was wrong with the monotheism of the Jewish religion

BenzEne1:

From then other prophet's have all preached monotheism and enjoined it on the people Allah sent them to. They were given books; Torah (David), Injeel or gospel (Jesus), Quran (Muhammad). This is why there seems to be similarity within these holy books.

Were they really given books? And how?
For you Muslims don't ask questions.

David wrote part and also commissioned the Priests in the temple to write the Psalms (Zabura) . Psalms were songs of Praise and Worship used in the temple of God by the Jews. When David commited adultery, and was judged by God, he wrote a psalm of restoration (do not take your Holy Spirit from me..restore to me the joy of my salvation). So, it seems only Muslims do not know how the psalms (songs) came about but just with a fiat say David was given a book.

Moses wrote a chunk of the Pentateuch (Five Books) Genesis to Deuteronomy. He and the Levite Priests wrote a chronicle of Gods dealings with them and their experiences with Him. So, how was Moses given a book.

Jesus didn't even write a word of text even though He was literate. The Gospel is not a book it is a message of "Good News". The Goodnews that God has made a way of salvation for man as a free gift. A GoodNews that we can now have a new relationship as "Sons of God" with the Father. Jesus didn't come to establish a religion, He came to establish a relationship.

BenzEne1:

However we believe that these books have been adulterated. And this is the reason that the Qur'an was sent down to all of mankind to set them on the straight part of monotheism once again.

You folks make it sound like Muhammad put together the religion of Islam. This is not true....

Actually, Mohammed put together the religion of Islam by taking what he feels convenient in Judaism and Christianity and mergon it with Arab cultures. I can give you evidences if you want.

You have made a claim promoted by the Muslims when they discovered gross contradictions between the Quran and the Bible.

Let's logically examine the fallacies in your statement.
There are questions to be asked in order to validate your statement
1. When did the original change
2. Who did the changing
3. What benefit did he gain from the altrations
4. Where was it changed
5. Where are the original copies
6. What are the adultrations

If someone was to tell you that the Books of William Shakespeare are fake, would you accept it without question? The only way one can validate an insinuation such as this is to ask the relevant question.

Even, Allah did not insinuate that anywhere in the Quran. Why should Allah be quiet over a fundermental issue such as this.

As I said earlier, the major weakness of Muslims is that they don't ask questions.
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BenzEne1:

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? Qur'an, 3:144

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

I do have some sketchy points with my religion like the status of a woman in the religion but Islam still stands out amongst all.

Have you ever wondered why Mohammed was not accepted by the Jews to be a prophet?
He didn't have any mark/sign of a prophet.
Mohammed and his Allah decided to convert the Jews to Islam by FORCE (Convert to Islam (submit) or Pay the heavy Jizya).

Interestingly, this leads us exactly from where we started from. If the religions of the Jewish prophets was Islam, it means that Judaism is actually Islam. Then, why must a Jew convert from the Jewish Islam to Mohammed's Islam.

Since Muslims don't ask questions let me conclude by asking:
If Adam was a Prophet, who was he sent to? His children?

fellowman:


where did you find Trinity in the Bible, there's only one God.

Did Christians tell you they worship multiple gods?

BenzEne1:



I've talked with christians who usually criticize muslims for learning bible points to enable them argue comparatively.

Some of you here are quoting Quranic.verses and hadiths. This is good. It makes for a better discuss.

To your inquiry tho. Allah's names abound in the Qur'an. A typical example would be Surah Al fatiha verse 1. Ar.Rahman (The Most Gracious) and Ar Rahim (The Merciful) are both mentioned.
These are names of Allah. They are numerous. Al Majid, Al Ghaffar, Al Muhaymin.

Muslims are allowed to bear a variation of these names which.has a prefix of Abd or Abdul. This signifies our servitude to Allah. For example Abdul Razaq means servant of the Provider.

But all the 99 names of Allah are still titles!

Maamin:


Yes..but the fact remains that he did not institute any religion. Religion is man made.

Well said. I fancy you!

fellowman:


where did you find Trinity in the Bible, there's only one God.

Who is Jesus and What is the Holy Spirit in christain doctrines

shadeyinka:

Don't mind him.
Ask him "Are Jews Muslims?"
Muslims forget in their hatered for Jews that Mary, Zacharias(Sakariyau), Moses (Musa), David (Daud), Solomon(Sulaimon) etc were Jews. SMH

Muslims hate Jews you say? We hate Zionists, we have Jews that hate Zionists, Christians hate Zionists also. Those you mentioned above are Muslims!

fellowman:


where did you find Trinity in the Bible, there's only one God.

Show me the word Tawheed in the Quran else, it is a false doctrine.

Even Allah assumed Christians worship God, Jesus and Mary why wouldn't you carry over the same error

Demmzy15:
Muslims hate Jews you say? We hate Zionists, we have Jews that hate Zionists, Christians hate Zionists also. Those you mentioned above are Muslims!

Sorry, you are very very wrong.
Read your hadith's, your fights had never been against Zionists but against Jews.

BTW, what is your definition of Zionist?
And why would a Christian hate Zionists?

shadeyinka:

Sorry, you are very very wrong.
Read your hadith's, your fights had never been against Zionists but against Jews.

BTW, what is your definition of Zionist?
And why would a Christian hate Zionists?

Yes, we would fight against Jews and I'm looking forward to that day. All Zionists are Jews but not all Jews are Zionists. We have Christians who hate Zionists example is George habbash

Demmzy15:
Yes, we would fight against Jews and I'm looking forward to that day. All Zionists are Jews but not all Jews are Zionists. We have Christians who hate Zionists example is George habbash

Why would you fight against Jews? Don't you know that they are specially loved by God because of Abraham!? Except Allah is NOT Jehovah!

Sorry, Christians don't hate Zionists but you haven't defined what you mean by Zionist. As far as I know the definition of "Zionist" is recent and not negative.

cooljude:


Who is Jesus and What is the Holy Spirit in christain doctrines

Jesus Christ is the promised Messiah, God's own begotten son.

The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35 )

God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.— Psalm 104:30; 139:7 .

The Bible does not say that the holy Spirit is a person, nor does history.
The Encyclopædia Britannica
states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

there is nothing like Trinity in the Bible, I know your Muslim self is trying to ask me about Trinity

so you see Our God does his will by his holy spirit unlike your God who tells people (human beings) to do his dirty job for him.

1Sharon:


Interesting. So Judaism and Christianity that precede Islam are manmade but Islam isn't?

When anyone reading the Quran can tell its a pervertion of the Bible

exactly, Islam is the only religion for all the prophets.

quran and bible cant be compared at all because the pure words of God is different from that of combination of man mad historian record of events, and for the bible, it suppose to be a book from God but unfortunately is not because the book that God gave Moses and the God gave Jesus are no where to be fund today only what we have is gospel according to Matthew, according to Mark, according to Paul, the question is where is the gospel according to Jesus.

smoy:
exactly, Islam is the only religion for all the prophets.

quran and bible cant be compared at all because the pure words of God is different from that of combination of man mad historian record of events, and for the bible, it suppose to be a book from God but unfortunately is not because the book that God gave Moses and the God gave Jesus are no where to be fund today only what we have is gospel according to Matthew, according to Mark, according to Paul, the question is where is the gospel according to Jesus.

Uthman burned many Qur'ans (I wonder why this doesn't create many riots). Each of the Qur'ans burned were slightly different than his official version. Uthman, not wanting different opinions, then burn all versions he consider "false".

The thing is, how does he know that the version he burned is the false one and the one he keep is the correct one?

This means that drastic changes occurred. After all, "Why were the other copies and fragments ordered to be burnt? " The answer is found in the original statement: "Hudhaifa was afraid of the different recitations of the Qur'an "
Hudhaifa did not want different versions of the Qur'an.

Since all other copies of the Qur’an were ordered to be burned, what was wrong with them? Is the Qur’an pure as believed by modern day Muslims? Since the decision to burn all other Qur’ans was politically motivated, the Qur’an of today reflects the political whims of early Muslim political leaders, not the prophet Muhammad. Questions like this will never be answered. But it is certain that the Qur’an of today is not the original Qur’an recorded only 2 years after Muhammad died.

shadeyinka:


Why would you fight against Jews? Don't you know that they are specially loved by God because of Abraham!? Except Allah is NOT Jehovah!

I'll fight them for what they've done to the Muslims of Palestine, don't get me wrong there are thousands of Jews who are against this treatment, so I'm not against them. But the Zionists, I'm fully against them

Sorry, Christians don't hate Zionists but you haven't defined what you mean by Zionist. As far as I know the definition of "Zionist" is recent and not negative.

Lol, as you can see, I've given you an example. There Christians who have stabbed and even hijacked planes because of the atrocities of Israel. Go and read before spouting rubbish, Jews are not chosen people. The greatest people in the sight of Allaah are those who have piety and fear with respect to him not child killers!

Demmzy15:


I'll fight them for what they've done to the Muslims of Palestine, don't get me wrong there are thousands of Jews who are against this treatment, so I'm not against them. But the Zionists, I'm fully against them



Lol, as you can see, I've given you an example. There Christians who have stabbed and even hijacked planes because of the atrocities of Israel. Go and read before spouting rubbish, Jews are not chosen people. The greatest people in the sight of Allaah are those who have piety and fear with respect to him not child killers!

I understand your hatred for the Jews. You must do Allah's bidden to exterminate them from the face of the earth.

I wonder the kind of examples you give. If a Muslim Shuaib Musa raped and murder a girl. Is it right an fair for me to say Muslims rape and kill ladies?

Such is your example. Of the four billion Christians in the world, you pick one to represent all Christians as hating Zionists!? SMH

For the third time, who are Zionists?

fellowman:


Jesus Christ is the promised Messiah, God's own begotten son.

The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35 )

God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.— Psalm 104:30; 139:7 .

The Bible does not say that the holy Spirit is a person, nor does history.
The Encyclopædia Britannica
states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

there is nothing like Trinity in the Bible, I know your Muslim self is trying to ask me about Trinity

so you see Our God does his will by his holy spirit unlike your God who tells people (human beings) to do his dirty job for him.

Lol I am not a Muslim. I just realised that I would be wasting my time arguing things about religion with indoctrinated persons.

I did catechism and I know what I am saying. The church view of trinity is that nobody can comprehend it and that's why it's a mystery (St Thomas Aquinas, St Augustine etc). That is the same reason most Jews would tell you Christianity is very far from Judaism because it recognises a fellow Jew as God.

shadeyinka:

I understand your hatred for the Jews. You must do Allah's bidden to exterminate them from the face of the earth.

Lol, Christians have been the ones killing and persecuting Jews throughout the century. In fact some Jewish scholars consider the first holocaust to be perpetuated by Christians when they conquered Jerusalem in the 11th century. They killed thousands of Muslims and Jews, these are facts. On the other hand, Muslims have protected them.

I wonder the kind of examples you give. If a Muslim Shuaib Musa raped and murder a girl. Is it right an fair for me to say Muslims rape and kill ladies?

Unfortunately, it's exactly what you Christians do!

Such is your example. Of the four billion Christians in the world, you pick one to represent all Christians as hating Zionists!? SMH

You exaggerate too much, Christians are around 2.5 billion. And show me where I stated all Christians hate Zionists, I never said such. Trump, Pence, Hillary are all Zionist Christians, read my posts well because posting. There are many Christians who are against this, some are Arabs others are Europeans.

For the third time, who are Zionists?

Google is your friend my friend!

1Sharon:


The name of god is not Allah! Allah is not a name it's a title!

What is ur God's name?

Allah is the real name of Almighty God.
Al -Malik, Al- Qudus, Al -salam are the title and attribute of Allah.