Questence:


I understand your concern. I have always read and related with your thoughts.

But on this one you need to realize two things.

1. No team will go as far as winning a cup without a good goalie. You would need to re-watch an highlight of the 2010 world cup between Netherland and Spain to understand. Top class goal keeping on display for both sides. Saving blushes.


2. At the moment, Akpeyi and Ezenwa are prone to errors. That is not good for our campaign. It is not always easy to comeback the way we did against Argentina when your goalie makes an unpardonable error. Likewise it is demoralizing and hurtful for both fans and players when the team has worked really hard to maintain a lead up till the dying minutes only for your error prone goal keeper to give in a cheap goal and squander the efforts. That's tragic.

Uzoho is basically untested. I believe he is on his way to be our next super goalie but at this moment, not until we have tested him in many friendlies we cannot confidently rely on him to lead the lines at the world cup.


So basically we have no confidence in any of our 3 goalies for now, so if Enyeama is fit and doing well do you not think Rohr should invite him?

For other positions we do not need any Old member for chemistry sake, but for the goal keeping department.............


We would be an unserious team if we do not take our goal keeping department serious.





Questence.

is enyeama not prone to errors too? It's relative man, Enyeama's error cost us the game against France in the last world cup. He too is prone to error.

Goke7:

The issue with some of you is that you are trying to justify enyeama's recall on his past heroics [same with martins] This is the same error we did in 1998 as rufai was called due to his past heroics too [even Rashidi yekini]. Are you sure that Enyeama today is still the same Enyeama of 2014. That he has resumed action does not mean he is still as sharp as before.

I think we are exercising unnecessary fear going to the world cup as we always assume that we need to go with our very old legs before we can make impact. During the wcq series, we were so fearful about ezenwa, but did that stop us from qualifying against experienced teams like Cameroon and algeria? I remember when we played serbia in 2014 and keshi introduced a young babatunde, it was like what the hell? but the guy turned out to be a revelation for us in that match and with a superb assist to musa for his first goal against argentina before he was injured.

We are just entertaining fears anytime we qualify for the world cup and we suddenly remember players we were not thinking about before. I think going forward, it's better we don't participate in the world cup anymore cos what's the use of qualifying if you can't trust the current players you have especially the ones who did all the hard work of qualifying. What if all these old legs we want go to the world cup, mess up like it happened before, are we not going to blame the coach for being stupid to take along tired legs? We are behaving as if we had no keeper in our previous matches. Are we the only team suffering weakness in some departments going to the world cup? You can't have a 100% team and no team in the world does. Brazil has had reputations of not having the best of goalkeepers yet they have won the world cup 5 times. Please let's major more on our strengths and be cautious in our areas of weakness. Recalling players who have retired or close to retirement will not solve these weak areas or can Enyeama guaranteed a clean sheet against the argentines? Abeg o. Recalling players based on past heroics is a very big NO for me. In 2014, Enyema was breaking records of clean sheets in France but is it the same Enyeama of today? Sorry for my long post

Bros I enjoyed your arguments. Please tell me on what basis are we inviting Akpeyi, Uzoho, Ezenwa or any other goalkeeper for that matter? Please break down that word 'heroics'. What's in it?
I do argue like you just did and I see merit in what you have just said cos the young guns did it. If we had a solid goalkeeper do you think some will call for Enyeama? Personally I would not. This WC thing is not about youth, about old tired legs or about team spirit about any categories we have set up and argue for or against. Nope.
The question should be be what would enable us post a very credible performance. Team spirit? It should be considered? Old players like Martins? He should be considered. Youthful players? Let them have their chances. We are rallying round as a nation to look at things from all angles.
You asked questions like Enyeama of 2014 is he still the Enyeama of 2017? If not for his injury I would have answered you.
Sincerely go back and re-evaluate things. You might not want Enyeama but what I see is not necessarily a fixation with youth or aversion for the old legs. It's a fixation with the present. Five years from now you guys will oppose the inclusion of many of the players of this present crop who are doing well.

Questence:


I understand your concern. I have always read and related with your thoughts.

But on this one you need to realize two things.

1. No team will go as far as winning a cup without a good goalie. You would need to re-watch an highlight of the 2010 world cup between Netherland and Spain to understand. Top class goal keeping on display for both sides. Saving blushes.


2. At the moment, Akpeyi and Ezenwa are prone to errors. That is not good for our campaign. It is not always easy to comeback the way we did against Argentina when your goalie makes an unpardonable error. Likewise it is demoralizing and hurtful for both fans and players when the team has worked really hard to maintain a lead up till the dying minutes only for your error prone goal keeper to give in a cheap goal and squander the efforts. That's tragic.

Uzoho is basically untested. I believe he is on his way to be our next super goalie but at this moment, not until we have tested him in many friendlies we cannot confidently rely on him to lead the lines at the world cup.


So basically we have no confidence in any of our 3 goalies for now, so if Enyeama is fit and doing well do you not think Rohr should invite him?

For other positions we do not need any Old member for chemistry sake, but for the goal keeping department.............


We would be an unserious team if we do not take our goal keeping department serious.





Questence.

winning which cup? So, if we bring back Enyeama, we will win the World Cup?

kennysville:


Actually, Enyeama has enough time to get fit. Goal keepers are special breed. You could see in the Egyptian national team. Their keeper is Old as innnnnn Old. But the dude is still able to do it. And thats why I cant discard a player based on age. When it comes to what Enyeama can offer, there is no doubt. If he is match fit, he is practically better than all those we have.

That is not to discredit what you have said. But bear in mind that a goalkeeper is just one of the elements in a team.

Lemme pose this trivia to us all. Which would we prefer, strong defence, strong attack, bad goalkeeper OR... good goalkeeper good defence bad attack? OR GOOD goalkeeper, bad defence, bad attack?

I rest my case

My main issue is that if a player has been frozen out of a team for some time due to premature retirement reasons like enyeama or martins due to a coach's preference for other players or other reasons and the team has been playing and even winning matches without them, how come it's when we have qualified for the world cup, we suddenly remember that they are better than the current players. I don't understand that assumption.

kennysville:



But i bet you didnt say that or think so back then? Question is why? All the stuff that Almighty Pele of brazil played in the 60s and 70s, could he play those today?. Football has changed. Back then people like Okocha were basically part of what made soccwr the beautiful game. You are only saying that because of what you know soccer to be today. Things have changed. There is no longer the need for showboating. Objectivity is now the order of the day. Whatever you do that doesnt add to the gain of the team is jettisoned. And thats why the traditional 10 is being phased out. We miss quality dribbles. Now its all about tactical fouls, taking one for the team(yellow or red cards), and pace!

Keep also in mind that Okocha was very young and just loves the soccer ball at that time. Even at old age he is in now, if allowed to play 20 mins of a competitive game, you will still see that he has it in him. Its like the dude now has eyes all over his body.

No no no. I disagree with you that I'm looking at Jay Jay through the prism of the present. I repeat he was awful by any standard in THAT MATCH. and guess what the coach subbed him off.
I like my midfielders in the best of the 10's tradition as epitomised by Maradona, Jay Jay, Baggio, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo but that doesn't change the fact that Jay Jay wasn't Westerhof's preferred midfielder and I can hazard a guess to say it wasn't because of the showboating. Jay Jay was ineffective.

Goke7:


I will also champion the recall of Aiyegbeni abi no be striker we de find?

OK have you forgotten that Aiyegbeni has retired from the game and Efe is still doing it in Scottish league with Hibernian but i don't want Efe Ambrose back o

Kog45:
Hmmm you are right but oh Doki why u dey always peep and comot nowadays.

i get this forthcoming wedding wey I go be bestman so things have been so so complicated

soetanoreoluwa:

Check out..
This season 8 matches for team B 2 matches for team A
Couples clean sheet
Check the statistics below

and this is good enough for a world-cup first choice goalie for you?

Mujtahida:

Bros I enjoyed your arguments. Please tell me on what basis are we inviting Akpeyi, Uzoho, Ezenwa or any other goalkeeper for that matter? Please break down that word 'heroics'. What's in it?
I do argue like you just did and I see merit in what you have just said cos the young guns did it. If we had a solid goalkeeper do you think some will call for Enyeama? Personally I would not. This WC thing is not about youth, about old tired legs or about team spirit about any categories we have set up and argue for or against. Nope.
The question should be be what would enable us post a very credible performance. Team spirit? It should be considered? Old players like Martins? He should be considered. Youthful players? Let them have their chances. We are rallying round as a nation to look at things from all angles.
You asked questions like Enyeama of 2014 is he still the Enyeama of 2017? If not for his injury I would have answered you.
Sincerely go back and re-evaluate things. You might not want Enyeama but what I see is not necessarily a fixation with youth or aversion for the old legs. It's a fixation with the present. Five years from now you guys will oppose the inclusion of many of the players of this present crop who are doing well.

@the bolded and how many goals have our current goalkeepers conceded that truly justify all the hue and cry about Enyeama?

Like I said in my earlier post, we always entertain unnecessary fears about the Eagles, when we were drawn against cameroon and algeria, many wrote the team off due to the quality of players on ground, even in the last world cup, I knew high profile Nigerian journalists who wrote the Eagles off against serbia, why are we always doing this to ourselves? Even in the current world cup draw, Many of us already predicting we will be beaten silly because we don't have a keeper. And when the Eagles excel, we all begin to eat our words. At times we shouldn't over analyse things and just let things be.

I bet you if those players you saying they should have their chances do have it like martins in the past and fail to perform, some will come back to defend their poor performance and blame it on the coach or other players. That is how the cycle has been and when are going to be tired moving in this cycle for Christ's sake?

Kog45:
OK have you forgotten that Aiyegbeni has retired from the game and Efe is still doing it in Scottish league with Hibernian but i don't want Efe Ambrose back o

Aiyegbeni just retired few weeks back, he can still be recalled Sir, na today?

Goke7:


is enyeama not prone to errors too? It's relative man, Enyeama's error cost us the game against France in the last world cup. He too is prone to error.

Enyeama saved us more times than his errors cost us.

Undoubtably, the best keeper we have ever had.

That said, his return is entirely up to him.

Mickael2:



and this is good enough for a world-cup first choice goalie for you?

You asked for his stats.

10 games
7 clean sheets..

soetanoreoluwa:


Then he should lay low with Rohr instead of saying using word of tired...

In case youare Rohr position what will you do?

Then you have Dele aiyenugba doing it weekly for his team in Israel too

Who will you prefer an your goalkeeper?

did you ever hear him or did he tell you that he is tired? I want to assume that you are part of the 'club form does not matter' committee so let me ask you, Dele's performance for the SE against Enyeama's performance for the SE which is better? Enyeama, tbh, is one of the people who perform just as good, if not better, for us as they do for their clubsides and on the other hand, Dele does not inspire confidence so after considering all that, who would you choose?

did you ever hear him or did he tell you that he is tired? I want to assume that you are part of the 'club form does not matter' committee so let me ask you, Dele's performance for the SE against Enyeama's performance for the SE which is better? Enyeama, tbh, is one of the people who perform just as good, if not better, for us as they do for their clubsides and on the other hand, Dele does not inspire confidence so after considering all that, who would you choose?

soetanoreoluwa:


Then he should lay low with Rohr instead of saying using word of tired...

In case youare Rohr position what will you do?

Then you have Dele aiyenugba doing it weekly for his team in Israel too

Who will you prefer an your goalkeeper?

Mickael2:



and this is good enough for a world-cup first choice goalie for you?

So which one is good? Goalkeeper that hasn't play any competitive match since 8months and tired of playing for his country or someone doing it weekly?

Mujtahida:

No no no. I disagree with you that I'm looking at Jay Jay through the prism of the present. I repeat he was awful by any standard in THAT MATCH. and guess what the coach subbed him off.
I like my midfielders in the best of the 10's tradition as epitomised by Maradona, Jay Jay, Baggio, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo but that doesn't change the fact that Jay Jay wasn't Westerhof's preferred midfielder and I can hazard a guess to say it wasn't because of the showboating. Jay Jay was ineffective.

My man you are right on Zambia match and Westerhoff prefrence for serious midfieder.

I remember Jayjay had his first appearance in national team with U 20 at Mauritius 93 with Kanu Nwankwo,Taribo West,Emma Babayaro,Andrew Aikhomogbe, Emma Teberen,Aboidun Obafemi.

Jayjay was damn too beautiful to watch but very unserious player like his elder bro Emma Okocha..It seem skills flow in the family but they don't appreciate it.Emma Okocha left football too sudden after Algiers 90 until Jayjay showed up in 1993 playing with Frankfurt, check his goal against Karlsruhe with Oliver Khan in goal you will understand Jayjay was just playing the game for fun.

Then Jayjay was damn young but i will not say too young but Westerhoff realised it earlier that youthful exuberance was affecting Jayjay.In our last WC qualifier match against Algeria Jayjay was on the bench cos Westerhoff knew what was at stake.

If you noticed very well during US 94 Westerhoff preferred using Samson Siasia in that position than Jayjay just cos of disciplinarian play of Siasia. Pls try and watch Nig -Italy match at US 94 it was the day i will never forget in my life,very painful lost.Jayjay was just playing to the gallery, it reached a point Yekini and Finidi George were shaking their head cos they were expecting a pass but Jayjay just turned around again to dribble the set of players he has dribbled before,watching Jayjay against Denmark at France 98 should tell you Jayjay was a showman then and not a team player, Olishe was shouting we are down but Jayjay was doing his things though at the end that match fetched him a great contract to PSG.

It was in the year 2000 that Jayjay realized that football is a real game not just fun,check his national team records from year 2000 and compared to 1993-2000 you would notice we had different Jayjay in 2000s but his legs couldn't carry him anymore as at 2006.

If Jayjay utilised his potential fully in the 90s,Okocha would have been crown World best cos he has everything as a player but funny enough even Africa best eluded him with such great talent.

tbaba1234:


You asked for his stats.

10 games
7 clean sheets..

Don't mind him jare...

Goke7:


Aiyegbeni just retired few weeks back, he can still be recalled Sir, na today?

Haba recalling a clubless player not on vacation like Rufai of 98.

Goke7:

The issue with some of you is that you are trying to justify enyeama's recall on his past heroics [same with martins] This is the same error we did in 1998 as rufai was called due to his past heroics too [even Rashidi yekini]. Are you sure that Enyeama today is still the same Enyeama of 2014. That he has resumed action does not mean he is still as sharp as before.

I think we are exercising unnecessary fear going to the world cup as we always assume that we need to go with our very old legs before we can make impact. During the wcq series, we were so fearful about ezenwa, but did that stop us from qualifying against experienced teams like Cameroon and algeria? I remember when we played serbia in 2014 and keshi introduced a young babatunde, it was like what the hell? but the guy turned out to be a revelation for us in that match and with a superb assist to musa for his first goal against argentina before he was injured.

We are just entertaining fears anytime we qualify for the world cup and we suddenly remember players we were not thinking about before. I think going forward, it's better we don't participate in the world cup anymore cos what's the use of qualifying if you can't trust the current players you have especially the ones who did all the hard work of qualifying. What if all these old legs we want go to the world cup, mess up like it happened before, are we not going to blame the coach for being stupid to take along tired legs? We are behaving as if we had no keeper in our previous matches. Are we the only team suffering weakness in some departments going to the world cup? You can't have a 100% team and no team in the world does. Brazil has had reputations of not having the best of goalkeepers yet they have won the world cup 5 times. Please let's major more on our strengths and be cautious in our areas of weakness. Recalling players who have retired or close to retirement will not solve these weak areas or can Enyeama guaranteed a clean sheet against the argentines? Abeg o. Recalling players based on past heroics is a very big NO for me. In 2014, Enyema was breaking records of clean sheets in France but is it the same Enyeama of today? Sorry for my long post

Who would you rather propose as first choice?

Kog45:
My man you are right on Zambia match and Westerhoff prefrence for serious midfieder.

I remember Jayjay had his first appearance in national team with U 20 at Mauritius 93 with Kanu Nwankwo,Taribo West,Emma Babayaro,Andrew Aikhomogbe, Emma Teberen,Aboidun Obafemi.

Jayjay was damn too beautiful to watch but very unserious player like his elder bro Emma Okocha..It seem skills flow in the family but they don't appreciate it.Emma Okocha left football too sudden after Algiers 90 until Jayjay showed up in 1993 playing with Frankfurt, check his goal against Karlsruhe with Oliver Khan in goal you will understand Jayjay was just playing the game for fun.

Then Jayjay was damn young but i will not say too young but Westerhoff realised it earlier that youthful exuberance was affecting Jayjay.In our last WC qualifier match against Algeria Jayjay was on the bench cos Westerhoff knew what was at stake.

If you noticed very well during US 94 Westerhoff preferred using Samson Siasia in that position than Jayjay just cos of disciplinarian play of Siasia. Pls try and watch Nig -Italy match at US 94 it was the day i will never forget in my life,very painful lost.Jayjay was just playing to the gallery, it reached a point Yekini and Finidi George were shaking their head cos they were expecting a pass but Jayjay just turned around again to dribble the set of players he has dribbled before,watching Jayjay against Denmark at France 98 should tell you Jayjay was a showman then and not a team player, Olishe was shouting we are down but Jayjay was doing his things though at the end that match fetched him a great contract to PSG.

It was in the year 2000 that Jayjay realized that football is a real game not just fun,check his national team records from year 2000 and compared to 1993-2000 you would notice we had different Jayjay in 2000s but his legs couldn't carry him anymore as at 2006.

If Jayjay utilised his potential fully in the 90s,Okocha would have been crown World best cos he has everything as a player but funny enough even Africa best eluded him with such great talent.

Thanks for the beautiful summary on Jay Jay. And not only him, many Nigerian players never fully reached their potential due to one reason or the other. Another major reason we keep under performing at the world cup. Being a team player is key as despite the individual brilliance of messi and ronaldo, they are very great team players hence they continue to rule the world. I hope our players learn fast enough to play for the team rather than themselves.

Icon4s:


Who would you rather propose as first choice?

It's for the coach to decide from the current goal keepers we have. I have no personal preference for any so far.

tbaba1234:


You asked for his stats.

10 games
7 clean sheets..

Francis Uzoho made Eagles cos of his two matches in LA liga not team B matches,so i don't reckon with this stats.The Girona match paved way for him or do you think if it's team B Rohr will consider him.

Francis Uzoho should work harder and find his way back to first team even on the bench though some are arguing it playing in team B is good for his fitness but failing to realize that any emergence of any keepers doing it week in week out meaning no way for Uzoho.

Truly he has the potential but that potential can only be harnessed in first team cos of his status as Eagles keeper.

I know if Rohr settle for Uzoho as number one there is possibility of him meeting Deportivo coach on how he can assist cos national team coaches does it

Guys I had a horrible dream i pray it doesn't come to pass

Dreamt that we met France at the round of 16 and they won 2-1

We were actually leading but some minutes to the end of the game we imploded

Pogba scored the winner for them

lol guess it's world cup fever

Magink:
Guys I had a horrible dream i pray it doesn't come to pass

Dreamt that we met France at the round of 16 and they won 2-1

We were actually leading but some minutes to the end of the game we imploded

Pogba scored the winner for them

lol guess it's world cup fever

Do not worry we are winning the World Cup

Goke7:


is enyeama not prone to errors too? It's relative man, Enyeama's error cost us the game against France in the last world cup. He too is prone to error.

Pls let us stop this comparison cos i see it as an insult on the part of Enyeama like prone to error, No o.Enyeama was a solid keeper that made normal mistakes good keeper makes not basic errors like that of Akpeyi and Ezenwa.

Magink:
Guys I had a horrible dream i pray it doesn't come to pass

Dreamt that we met France at the round of 16 and they won 2-1

We were actually leading but some minutes to the end of the game we imploded

Pogba scored the winner for them

lol guess it's world cup fever

Don't tell me you woke up and didn't cast and bind

People get informed in this thread. I get informed, we all get informed one way or the other. By now u should already know that captaincy will never be an issue whether Enyeama returns or not.

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You don’t seem to know Rohr’s stance on Enyeama

MetalJigsaw:
Answer my question of who will be the team captain since you can seen the future. Don't you know that that issue issue is a potential jeopardizer of the team togetherness?

You're surely the type of dude that easily gets emotionally attached to a woman and keep begging and licking her ass even if she clearly doesn't want you.

Thank goodness Rohr doesn't think the way you do. I thank God that Rohr doesn't have your kind of mentality.

Goke7:


My main issue is that if a player has been frozen out of a team for some time due to premature retirement reasons like enyeama or martins due to a coach's preference for other players or other reasons and the team has been playing and even winning matches without them, how come it's when we have qualified for the world cup, we suddenly remember that they are better than the current players. I don't understand that assumption.

Goke7 do you remember when we had problems with the full back positions and some went as far as calling for Efe and Taiye? Do you see anyone making such calls ever so often again? I am sure you know why.

Now let's take a look at the gk department. This is an issue that has lingered even when Ikeme was in the team because then we felt that if anything should happen to Ikeme we have no backup. Well, the worse happened and that's why till today the call for Enyeama has persisted.

I refuse to be drawn into the old player/young player dialectic. The thing is this: why has the coach in spite of the gk he has at his disposal consistently said he's not satisfied? Do we want the good work this young men have done to be undone because we have a soft underbelly that we didn't attend to while we had the time. I am not by this making a call for Enyeama as such because the converse could be argued but still he is an option that we must reckon with. We need three gk. Two are not good enough. One has not been tested enough. So this is the situation that is prompting the call for Enyeama. If we had good gk's just like we have in other departments do you think we'd call for him?

Please, away from this Enyeama argument

Is today not the 11th of December that NFF said they would release a RoadMap to Russia 2018 at a Press conference?

Has anyone heard anything about it?

Madam. Rohr started the talks with Enyeama without anyone’s approval. The situation will be concluded between Rohr and Enyeama. Peterside Idah needs to shut up.

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I’m a “sucker” for credible information related a credible manner.. not relying on dem says. I rather be wrong that way than to be misled by rumors.

safarigirl:
we are waiting for him to slap us with the NO very well, you know, the way many kept insisting on Tammy Abraham even when he was giving signs he was not interested

If Enyeama does not insult the entire NFF and Nigeria in his rejection, we no go gree hear word. We will keep clamouring for him till we have eggs thrown in our face once again

safarigirl:
Please, away from this Enyeama argument

Is today not the 11th of December that NFF said they would release a RoadMap to Russia 2018 at a Press conference?

Has anyone heard anything about it?

It has been postponed to a later date

To tie up all the friendlies I guess

Joebie:
Madam. Rohr started the talks with Enyeama without anyone’s approval. The situation will be concluded between Rohr and Enyeama. Peterside Idah needs to shut up.

why should Idah shut up? Bexause he is not saying what you want to hear?

Joebie please I have left this Enyeama talk, before I waste my time going in circles over an inconsequential argument. No quote me again about this guy

If you wan tell me anything, tell me about NFF's proposed roadmap to Russia