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Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by christemmbassey(m): 5:41pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999:thanks. God bless. who is today's priest who we must pay tithes to? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 5:44pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
wirinet:conclusion am the one telling u bt u want to tell me the ending... He gave widows 200 thousand only... And the car he gave to his pastors and other member... If a pastor doesnt give they say he is extorting nw he is giving they say is public stunt... Even if he had given d car to the widows cant they sell it or use out of the two hundred thousand buy fuel and use the car as taxi or drop... |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by histemple: 5:46pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis: Make no mistake about it, no matter how anybody preaches for or against these practices, people have made personal decisions on what to do. My concern is with your approach. People are more likely to buy into your argument if it's devoid of arrogance and insults. More so, it makes them see the meekness and gentle demeanour of a true disciple. I am a giver and nothing will ever make to stop because I am blessed in so doing. I am personally convinced that giving is the only way to attract bigger blessing. However, I have listened to Daddy Freeze and he doesn't even shout or insult anybody personally. He only points to scriptures he believed proved his assertion, with infectious calmness. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Topgainer: 5:53pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999:I was wondering if you are not a Pastor yourself with your posts. By my Pastor, you mean Joshua Iginla a member of the talknado gang that make women put to bed catfish, snail, yam, stone and most recently dog after purported 3 years pregnancy. His spell is so much on you. You need Jesus. A gang of false Prophets and agents of the Beast of Revelations is who they are. Your Pastor, Prophet Joshua Iginla is not a Levite. He is not Melchizedek, who took tithe of war spoils from Abraham, once. He is not greater than Jesus, Peter, Paul and other Apostles who were not recorded to have taken money as tithe from any Christian. Neither were they found to preach that non tithers are cursed and hell bound. God is on stage one of exposing prosperity gospel merchants and they are shivering. Stage two is coming and it will be clear to all that the Church industries are Satanic invasion of Rev 6:2. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 5:55pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
christemmbassey:havent u heard of roman catholic priest... Priest is a spiritual leader...isreal priest naija pastor.. U dnt want to pay tithe to ur pastor only priest abi.. den dont pay tax to naija government pay to only ceasar nw |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by wirinet(m): 5:59pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999: Giving N200,000 to widows is comendable, but what I quarrelled with was giving out cars. Given cars to widows is a publicity stunts to me as cars are not a priority to widows. You guys have turned Christianity upside down. Christianity was not about a race on the acquisition of wealth, Christianity was about communal living, those who have sharing with those who don't. Yes, Christ message was about sharing and not about greed. If a man of God use the congregation's tithes and offerings to buy jet plane, the Jet plane should be used by all members of the congregation and not a personality property of the pastor. If a man of God use the congregation's donations to build a school, then the congregation's children should have the rights to attend the school free of charge or only pay the running costs and not be charged exorbitantly for profit. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:05pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
cescky: Look at the bolded part of your message I quoted. If you can recall correctly, Israel's golden age was in the era of Solomon where Gold was the standard and silver was as common as stone. Did the abundance of gold and silver in Solomon's time change the standard of tithe payment from crops and livestocks to gold and silver? Can you check Malachi chapter 3 and Matthew 23v23 and tell me if tithe was paid as foodstuff or livestock? 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by BoboKush(m): 6:06pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis: Nah it because of tithe scam� |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by BoboKush(m): 6:06pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: Lol |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:08pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999: Please explain what the Church means...is it about the individuals that makes it up? Or is it about the registered name and brand of Pastorpreneurs with account numbers to collect Holy Insurance Premiums (tithes and offerings) from people? 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 6:08pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Topgainer:hmm hu gave u all dis revelations...u 4 b pastor nw? Open ur church nd dont collect tithe... U say he belongs to a gang... Me i dnt knw o let me quote my pastor "if i am after u tithe and offering we wud have close since while kip u till 7pm" wow am i really soundin lyk a pastor tanks 4 d compliment bt u r soundin lyk an unbeliever |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Paulosky1900: 6:09pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
honniemail: how many private jets does POPE FRANCIS have, the latest lamborgini given to him,he aunction it to help the less privilege...thats a true example of the way of christ. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 6:10pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
OkCornel:we are the church... All of us u and me |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by deleo16(m): 6:11pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999:kudos ,until.I see where tithe is going just like what u explain here I wouldn't pay at least u saw this then u are moved to pay it the what Christ has called us to do as a man of GOd "SPEND LESS ON YOURSELF MORE ON OTHERS" 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 6:14pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
wirinet:oo u didnt get me i said he gave d cars 2 pastor and fellow members nt d widows.. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:14pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999: So if I give to the poor and needy (who are created in the image of God) within and outside the church, have I not done something better than old testament tithing? Except for maintenance and sustenance expenses, why must I pay money directly into the church treasury? 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 6:22pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
OkCornel:i didnt say u havent yes u have done sumtin beta...giving 2 the needy r givin to the church is good.. Its ur choice.. Bt we wer nt talking abt u we wer talkin abt the wowan who gave her last penny....does givin the needy stop u frm giving the church or does giving the church stops u frm giving the needy ..GOD Does nt look at wat u give or hu u give... He luks at the heart |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by bamoski(m): 6:25pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Thylord: Don't mind that sheep jare 1 Like
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Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:26pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999: If she gave her all to the poor or needy..what difference does it make? The widow of Zarephath that gave her last meal to Elijah abi Elisha...how about her? When you are talking of the widow that gave her last mite, also recall in that same story that there was a rich man who gave a heavy offering to the temple. Bros the core of the message is not about giving to the church or temple...it's about your attitude, the state of your heart while giving.. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Topgainer: 6:28pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis:Pastor the Pastor. The correct interpretation of the gospel is that nowhere did Jesus collect tithe from his disciples and the Apostles didn't take money tithe from any Christian to move the gospel. And the gospel still found its way against pagan resistance. The gospel says people should give under no compulsion or threats or curses or blackmail. The revelation that tithe to a Gentile African Bishop buys salvation, blessings, riches, double money, closes the gate of Hell from a deserving candidate and opens gates of Heaven riches surprisingly was not given to Paul, Peter, John and all the early Church. St. Paul and St. John wrote many revelations but forgot tithe. How come it is only our Pastors that always get this superb revelations when it concerns tithe and money? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Aragon: 6:29pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis: That you even have to insult people already shows that you dont know what this is about. It is not for Pastor Worshippers but people called Christians aka followers of Christ, that you even have to mention DaddyFreeze already shows where you are coming from. The only Christian Authority on this matter has already spoken and given their vedict on this. The Association of Nigerian Theologians said your Pastors are wrong and Tithes is not for christians period case closed. Did you attend any School of Theology? If yes well your school has spoken and if no, then why should anyone listen to you in the first place? I guess y"all are just knowing and hearing this Tithes thing now, well here in Europe where I live Lot's of Churches don't bother anyone with Tithes and Finally Jewish Christian Pastors (Messianic Jews) have also said Tithes is not for Christians and your Nigerian Pastors can never be Jews or Levite Priests no matter how much they would love to because of money it just wont happen. Tithes is not about DaddyFreeze it's about your Pastors Monetizing the gospel of Christ capice? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 6:31pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
OkCornel:yea i already said so God doesnt luk at ur gift or hu u give.. He luks d heart... Xo u can give in the church, hospital.. Give the rich or the poor... Or even 2 ur pastor..as long as u fulfill u part.. Every man will ansa 4 himself |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:45pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999: Very good. But we have to make it clear that anyone who preaches to people that 10% of their monthly gold and silver is tithe, SUCH A PERSON IS CLEARLY VIOLATING GOD'S WORD I have absolutely nothing against giving to the Church...but if Pastorpreneurs keep on telling me that 10% of salary and wages is tithe, then that is a false doctrine. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by ayoade2: 7:00pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Everyone and anyone would say anything to make them trend. I don't know when y'all will wake up to see that Freeze and the likes are just using you to create content and make more money. He's duping y'all. Since the Experience when Adefarasin showcased what he has been doing, Freeze kept quiet on his matter. Guys! You're been duped. This whole tithe bullshit is Freeze way of maintaining relevance and making money via only content and traffic. Wake up. Do I blame him? I blame those who gratified him with a response. Just the way Buhari made Kanu popular. Are the IPOB loyalist not licking their wounds now? Wake up! 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by mickeymimi: 7:37pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Jesus earthly occupation was carpenter and also a Jewish Rabbi and under the Mosaic Law. As such, he did not condemn tithing because it was part of the JEWISH religious faith. If tithing was spiritual principle Jesus wld have said more on it....there is no evidence in the bible that he tithed or collected tithe even thou it was recorded that he paid tax ....Give to ceaser ..and peter caught a fish and found a coin to pay it. Jesus was a carpenter and the disciples also had jobs.. Judas was their treasurer. Jesus never asked people for money. He always ask the rich to sell all they have and give to the poor...Paul also encouraged hard work... Jews in Jesus’ day believed that riches were a sign of God’s favour and because the Mosaic law promised blessings for obedience . Jesus’ parables and his teachings were a shock to the Jews because it challenged the thinking that prosperity was a sign of acceptance and approval from God. ...story of the rich young ruler.. that asked what to do to make heaven Jesus thought on money was another sermon on Mount mat 6 .....you cannot serve God and Money..do not store up tresures on earth etc. He also encourage us to give generously to the poor.and have faith. After Jesus death is GraCE .... “And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” Mat27:50-51. So, what do we make of this? What significance does this torn veil have for us today Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT under the law, but under grace." Galatians 5:18 "and if by the Spirit ye are led, ye are NOT under law." Romans 3:28 - "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law." Romans 10:4 - "For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believes." There is no scriptural doctrine that God ever transferred the ownership of the tithe from the Levite to any church, pastor, teacher, apostle, prophet, evangelist or for that matter. Abraham and his son are recorded in bible as tithing one time each. Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by christemmbassey(m): 7:51pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999:sorry I'm a priest just like every believer and priests don't pay tithes.. Rev1:6. 1Peter 2:9. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by christemmbassey(m): 7:58pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanuel1999:all believers are priests and formed us into a kingdom [as His subjects], priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the power and the majesty and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. REVELATION 1:6 AMP http://bible.com/1588/rev.1.6.AMP 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by paxonel(m): 8:00pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis:Jesus don't need to destroy the temple again. We are gradually destroying it. A time will come when people will be educated enough not to be interested in pastors and churches or mosques anymore or anything religion, but rather they will focus their energy and interest on industrialization and development. Religion has been a big mistake and flop to the society. In this Nigeria, bet me, It has already started, gradually gradually we are getting there Then all your pastors will go bankrupt |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Sleemy4shizzle(m): 8:07pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
honniemail:please show me prove dat the 18000 workers children can afford to pay the school fees of the university built by the Church |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Acidosis(m): 8:07pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
paxonel: We? Who? I bet none of your generation would be able to live any longer in Nigeria if you take away Christianity. You think the Muslims will allow you destroy their Mosques and Islam the way Freeze and his crew rubbish Christianity? Meanwhile, I have said this time and time again. Only stark illiterates assume Christianity blocks industrial revolutions. Norway is the most developed Country in the whole world. Meanwhile, Christianity has been a compulsory subject in Norway since the 17th century. You get my point now? If you can't "develop" in the midst of the most peaceful and tolerant religion in the world, forget it, nothing else can make you develop. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by laotech: 8:24pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
New International Version "Woe to you,teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. Matthew 23:23 Parallel . |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by KENZINCO(m): 8:25pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
saintmark88:So if I believe now that Adeboye prayer for me is a service and I decided to pay him willingly with my money or any other thing, how does that becomes the problem of anybody? Daddy freeze goes to the studio to say things that I didn't get a bit inspired or moved by, but a the end, he still gets paid with my money. Adeboye preaches every time and I feel inspired by it, and also feel he is one of the people who keeps reminding me of the place that exist after this world. So I decide to willingly give yo him,. How does that become a problem for others? |
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