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Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by iamstrong(m): 8:29pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis:abeg I recommend u take paracetamol or ibuprofen for ur pains.......shiooorrr!!! |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by iamstrong(m): 8:33pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis:Mr man go take ibuprofen to help ease the pain....shioorr!!! |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Emmanuel1999(m): 8:37pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
christemmbassey:believers are called "kings and priests" and a "royal priesthood" as a reflection of their privileged status as heirs to the kingdom of the Almighty God and of the Lamb. there were places where only the priests could go. Into the Holy of Holies, behind a thick veil, only the High Priest could go, and that only once a year on the Day of Atonement when he made a sin offering on behalf of all of the people. But as mentioned above, because of Jesus' death upon the cross of Calvary, all believers now have direct access to the throne of God through Jesus Christ our great High Priest ( Hebrews 4:14-16). 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Mujtahida: 8:41pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
AkpaMgbor:To give even everything willingly is grace. To pay 10% of one's wages is law. And the law is always burdensome and brings death. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by AkpaMgbor(m): 8:58pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Mujtahida:You guys keep misinterpreting the scripture out of context like its some yes and no thing! Even Paul made us know that the scripture is subject for reproof....so what if I decided to give willingly from my wage and it coincidentally amounted to 10 percent of my wage? Does that mean that I have burdened myself under the law? Lol you guys amaze me to no end..so in essence I can give 9 percent or 11 percent of my wage willingly and all will be alright? But if I give something amounting to 10 percent of my wage then I’ve automatically burdened myself under the law? You think God works that way? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by PaChukwudi44(m): 9:09pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
AkpaMgbor:Why don't you ask your pastors to allow people decide to give 10% on their own and not them threatening them with curses |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by AkpaMgbor(m): 9:24pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44:Yea right, you’ve been to all the denominations and branches in the country and all the priests and preachers threaten their members every Sunday on tithing abi?? You lot are very good at shifting the goalpost when called out on your falsehood..again I ask, if I give 50 percent of my wage willingly and with a cheerful heart to the church then I have not burdened myself under the law? But if I give 10 percent willingly then the hammer of the law falls on me abi? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by WhichWayNaija: 9:29pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis:I do not remember, if daddy freeze ever said giving/giving offering in church is wrong. He only hinted on tithing being wrong in the present dispensation of grace. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by saintmark88(m): 10:05pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
KENZINCO: Prayer is a service rendered, the problem is not with u, its who the pastor that brainwashed u....... |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by petra1(m): 10:13pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Acidosis: 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. Daddy freeze deceived them and they didn't bother to read for themselves 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by petra1(m): 10:15pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
WhichWayNaija: If tithing is wrong why should offering be right ? It's hypocrisy. Men just want to eat the tithe and looking for excuses to justify it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 10:31pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
petra1: This same bible verse again? Are churches even tithing in line with the requirements of the scriptures? Is tithe 10% of harvested crops and livestock OR 10% of monthly gold and silver? Nobody is against giving to the church. What I am against is preaching of false doctrines that tithe is 10% of monthly gold and silver. Do well to reply me with me a scriptural definition of tithe, and compare this to what the Church is doing today. Thanks and Cheers |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by ethankareem(m): 10:31pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
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Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Mujtahida: 10:34pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
AkpaMgbor:Stop thinking percentages. It doesn't matter the percentage you give so long as you give it willingly just as Paul said that each one should give what he has decided to give not grudgingly for God loves a cheerful giver. Even if you give 1% out of 100% unwillingly then you have imposed a law on yourself. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by petra1(m): 10:35pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
OkCornel: Tithe could be cash or kind . It's your choice . Was Abraham tithe to Melchizedek crops? 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by AkpaMgbor(m): 10:40pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Mujtahida:Then why all the bloody brouhaha about giving ten percent then?? You cannot tell me many are not giving willingly in their churches? So why all the fuss then?? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Mujtahida: 10:48pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
AkpaMgbor:The brouhaha is because pastors do not allow the people to give it willingly. They coerce them with curses. But beyond all that is the twisting of scriptures to justify what is clearly not a doctrinal practice for the New testament church. Bottom line is if you want to tithe, tithe. If you don't want don't tithe. Let no pastor threaten anyone with a curse. 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Acidosis(m): 10:49pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
petra1: Exactly! |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by xest(m): 11:54pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Kennydoc:You are comparing Jesus with pastors? He rebuked Juda because Mary was anointing him spiritually for his burial. He said he will not b with dem, but d poor will always b amongst us. Yes poor ppl will be amongst that is y we hv to help dem |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Vivere: 12:17am On Dec 14, 2017 |
AkpaMgbor:Abeg, I no fit laugh again.... Your statement just reminded me of how Moses received the 10 commandments on the mountain from the hand of God. Do you expect Martineverest' to go up to the mountain like Moses, to receive his own set of 'translations? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 4:51am On Dec 14, 2017 |
petra1: Please can you mention one verse in the bible where tithe was paid in cash? Can you see how you are adding to God's word? After God gave Moses specific instructions on how tithes should be paid, kindly mention a scripture where tithe was paid in gold and silver. If you cannot point to any scriptures, then kindly tell us why the church is flouting God's instruction on tithing by collecting in cash...that's if the Pastorpreneurs have the scriptural rights to do so. Thank you. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 6:26am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Acidosis: Yeah...at least Freeze is a Hypocrite who doesn't twist the words of God to collect cash from people under the guise of tithing to satisfy his greed (at least for now). Spot the difference, Freeze spends his money to buy expensive stuffs to show off....meanwhile Pastorpreneurs use the money of sheeples collected through false doctrines to buy expensive things and show off (COZA Pastor comes to mind). Please tell us which one is worse Is tithe 10% of crops and livestock OR 10% of gold and silver as preached by Pastorpreneurs? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by KENZINCO(m): 7:02am On Dec 14, 2017 |
saintmark88:and this is exactly the problem. You just imagine a problem for someone and make the imaginary problem a visible problem for yourself . that is the problem . you think a particular person has brainwashed some people , yet you are fooling yourself around fools who are exploiting your foolishness to make themselves more money and fame on the internet |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by petra1(m): 7:16am On Dec 14, 2017 |
OkCornel: Matthew 23:23 (NLT) 23 ! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. Luke 18:12 (MSG) I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.' 1 Like |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by petra1(m): 7:34am On Dec 14, 2017 |
OkCornel: Nice you admit that
How can tithe be false doctrine do you know more than jesus who says we should tithe Matthew 23:23 (NLT) 23 . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. to buy expensive things and show off (COZA Pastor comes to mind). Please tell us which one is worse Who told you he bought them with tithe money .the problem with non givers is that they think the money of a pastor comes through tithe . Tithes belong to the church . The money of the Pastor mostly comes through gift . People do give a good pastor money clothes , cars etc . Tithe is our least giving . Is tithe 10% of crops and livestock OR 10% of gold and silver as preached by Pastorpreneurs? Gold and silver ? It’s from you we are hearing that . You give tithe of your income . Either it’s herb or money . It’s your choice . Under the law people could give by cash or kind . People sell and give tithe of sales |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by plainbibletruth: 7:48am On Dec 14, 2017 |
petra1: Petra1, 1. Are you saying from the portion you highlighted that it is MONEY from sales of herbs that Jesus is talking about? 2. Was Jesus talking to the Church here or to Israelites? 3. Can you show us CLEARLY where the Church in the New Testament paid tithe or was instructed to pay tithe? Please avoid you short bursts and give clear response. After all, you do not want to let others get an unclear picture and end up being deceived, do you? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by paxonel(m): 9:57am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Acidosis:You are a bush man o, Or may be you are underage who can't think along. Did i say i was going to take away christianity or islam? Do you think church going and christianity are the same thing? What I mean is that one can still practice his christianity without church. It has already started. When Jesus says i will destroy the temple in 3 days what did he meant? Did he actually destroy temple building or the Jewish religion? People like you cannot think to understand other people's comment yet you are talking. How can you then understand what Daddy freeze is driving at? Do you think Daddy freeze is against christianity? If he was against christianity why are millions of christians on social media supporting his point of view? Have you sit down to ask yourself that question? Whether you like it or not by God's grace all this church church in Nigeria will pave way for something better I don't have your time again Bye |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 9:59am On Dec 14, 2017 |
petra1: It's interesting to see that Freeze is a Hypocrite, but when you twist the TRUTH to support a false doctrine (that tithe is cash or gold and silver) ...what do you call that? Thank God you are a witness to how the written TRUTH of God has been watered down with lies and errors over time. You subtly quoted NLT and MSG translations of the Bible whereas, you of all people should know that the first Bible interpreted from Latin and Greek Septuagint is the KJV (King James Version) Now let me quote the KJV version of the verses you stated here and show me where Tithe is paid on generic income...rather than crops and livestock. Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV) 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Luke 18:12King James Version (KJV) 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Note that Luke 18:12 is about a zealous observer of the Law who has gone beyond paying tithes on crops and livestock. Unless you want to use a zealot's basis for tithing as the generic basis for paying tithes which is against the requirements of the Law...please ride on and lead others into error as well... Before you rush to include Gold and Silver OR Money as part of titheable items..kindly make reference to what GOD ALMIGHTY has defined tithes to be Deuteronomy 14 King James Version (KJV) 22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. Does a Pastor that owns land and landed property, Jets and all sorts qualify to be a Levite that has no inheritance? What gives them the scriptural right to collect tithes in monetary form? |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Acidosis(m): 10:04am On Dec 14, 2017 |
paxonel: Jesus Christ (Himself) said "I will build my Church, and the gate of hell shall not prevail". Only a gate of hell like you would assume destroying the "Church" is normal and biblical. Note, I didn't say the Church is the wood or the people, I'm not ready to define that but whatever it means, you cannot destroy it. |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by OkCornel(m): 10:07am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Acidosis: I'm very sure the Catholic church Bishops and Pope quoted this scripture to Martin Luther as well... If Martin Luther had chickened out... All Christians would have been paying money (penance) for the forgiveness of their sins. Cheers |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by Sunsets: 10:14am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Gbam! Yes! It's nobody's business who you give your money or which organisation you support. If you want to look at what the organisation is using the money for, that's a different topic. AkpaMgbor: |
Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by paxonel(m): 10:18am On Dec 14, 2017 |
Acidosis:Mr man i didn't say i was going to destroy THE CHURCH, as a matter of fact I'm very much interested in the expansion of THE CHURCH that's why I'm speaking out against evil in churches. THE CHURCH and church are two different thing don't be deceived. .Jesus says i will build my church which is THE CHURCH . he did not say he was going to build church. THE CHURCH is the body of Christ, all christians(people) world wide, while church is religious building you people go every Sundays . This is what you are ignorant of, so with your ignorance you are automatically the gate of hell who is in now fighting THE CHURCH |
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