Lana1:
Pep is the best and EPL is shït. But lets pretend to forget how he flopped last season and how he's had to rely on his sugar daddy's bank account to become relevant again this season

Lol..Sugar daddy's bank Acc?..Thank Jah he didn't buy Lukaku for 75M and saved himself from receiving L..Thank Jah he didn't Lindelof..This also saved him another L..Thank Jah he didn't buy Pogboof for 90M..Have you forgotten that Pepito hasn't spent 60M on a player with all he bought?..Have you forgotten so soon that When he bought Walker for 54M you all said Levy was the winner in that deal and Walker's best days were behind him already?..Walker is playing the best football of his life and would easily be the best RB in the league this season..There's a difference between Buying Hard and Buying Smart..I'm sure after Last Sunday's derby you as a United Fan now know the difference between Buying Smart and Buying Hard..If I dey lie ask Your Left strike Back(Lukaku).

sebod:

I am very sure you would prefer him and take him over your coach with what's happening presently even if he has to rely on sugar daddies and mummies. No?

sebod:

Should we also pretend to forget the same sugar daddy has been around for a while and also made the money available for the previous managers? How come none of them including the adjudged greatest coaches never achieved the feat he just achieved in the league?
How come the fraud is able to transmit his ideas to his players successfully while playing the brand of footie we were told could never work in the great EPL? Just curious really.

Whether i would want Pep at United or not is irrelevant right now.


If Pep is as special as u pple claim, then why didn't he replicate what he's doing now last season in his first season like he has done everywhere else like u guys claimed??

Fact is he came to England and in his first season, the EPL made him look like a bald overrated Avram Grant with Spanish accent that he had to go running to his sugar daddy for mo money so that he could become relevant again.




If u pple want to hype Pep, that's fine. He's doing great this season. But dont try to drag the EPL while doing so coz we sef can do some dragging of our own....

Lol. This shiit is funny.

The argument has always been that La liga is a two horse race and is not competitive enough, that one team cannot be bossing the epl the way Barca and Madrid have been bossing La liga.

We tried to educate them. We told them that the epl seems to be competitive because almost every club at the first half of the table are operating on the same average technical level. The level of all speed no brain, the level of jam body and one corner dance, we told them that if and when a technical coach comes to the league, and put together a group of technical players with half the techniques of players like Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, iniesta, they would take the league by storm.

They argued. They said guardiola would be exposed like the fraud he is, called him 'fraudiola'. They said Messi would be unable to play in a cold rainy night at stoke lol.

Today we see guardiola with a team not 70% as good as the Barca invisibles, already exceeding the bar he set at Barca. Makes you wonder what the guardiola Barcelona would have done in the epl.

Overrated league.

Pep is spending money to win the league but Conte Mourinho etc are spending stones not money

See argument,

If Pep is special why didnt he win with Joke Hart and Zabaleta that are performing so well in West Ham
Why didnt he win with Clchy who is Turkey quality
WHy didnt he win with Nasri who can only get time in Turkey
Why didnt he win with Bony who failed in Stoke City and now settled in Swansea
Why didnt he win with Sagna who cant even get a club

Other coaches are buying replaying garbage players in their teams but Pep shouldnt change his poor players

He should take Yeovil Town to win the CL

Lana1:



Whether i would want Pep at United or not is irrelevant right now.


If Pep is as special as u pple claim, then why didn't he replicate what he's doing now last season in his first season like he has done everywhere else like u guys claimed??

Fact is he came to England and in his first season, the EPL made him look like a bald overrated Avram Grant with Spanish accent that he had to go running to his sugar daddy for mo money so that he could become relevant again.




If u pple want to hype Pep, that's fine. He's doing great this season. But dont try to drag the EPL while doing so coz we sef can do some dragging of our own....

I have admitted in the past that Pep failed in his first stint at City just like every other manager has failed at one point or the other.

However, my question still remains unanswered. You claimed Pep has to run to his sugar daddy for back up this season as that's the reason he's doing fine. And I asked, was this sugar daddy not around to provide such back up to previous managers? How come he's setting a record already? Why should a certain fraud be setting record in Epl?

jonsnow92:
Lol..Sugar daddy's bank Acc?..Thank Jah he didn't buy Lukaku for 75M and saved himself from receiving L..Thank Jah he didn't Lindelof..This also saved him another L..Thank Jah he didn't buy Pogboof for 90M..Have you forgotten that Pepito hasn't spent 60M on a player with all he bought?..Have you forgotten so soon that When he bought Walker for 54M you all said Levy was the winner in that deal and Walker's best days were behind him already?..Walker is playing the best football of his life and would easily be the best RB in the league this season..There's a difference between Buying Hard and Buying Smart..I'm sure after Last Sunday's derby you as a United Fan now know the difference between Buying Smart and Buying Hard..If I dey lie ask Your Left strike Back(Lukaku).

Lol. Clap for yourself. I'm sure u thought u sounded smart when u were typing this.

Mourinho bought a player to improve a weak and dead midfield for 90mill. Pep bought both Stones and Mendy for 100 mill. Both of which have spent more time in the hospital than on the pitch. But lets sha thank God Pep was smart enough and didn't buy any one of them for more than 60mill....

Pep right now is playing better football than anyone else in the league no thanks to Mourinho and his stupîd defensive mentality. But it still doesn't change the fact that Pep has needed money to stay relevant since he left Barca. Man spent 190mill last season flopped and took it up a notch this season and spent 225mill this season

sebod:

I have admitted in the past that Pep failed in his first stint at City just like every other manager has failed at one point or the other.

However, my question still remains unanswered. You claimed Pep has to run to his sugar daddy for back up this season as that's the reason he's doing fine. And I asked, was this sugar daddy not around to provide such back up to previous managers? How come he's setting a record already? Why should a certain fraud be setting record in Epl?

Records are meant to be made and broken. Nothing special. Conte sef went on a winning streak last season. Besides u ve to admit Pep has had small official help in his winning streak so far

raumdeuter:
Pep is spending money to win the league but Conte Mourinho etc are spending stones not money

See argument,

If Pep is special why didnt he win with Joke Hart and Zabaleta that are performing so well in West Ham
Why didnt he win with Clchy who is Turkey quality
WHy didnt he win with Nasri who can only get time in Turkey
Why didnt he win with Bony who failed in Stoke City and now settled in Swansea
Why didnt he win with Sagna who cant even get a club

Other coaches are buying replaying garbage players in their teams but Pep shouldnt change his poor players

He should take Yeovil Town to win the CL

And who has said he shouldn't spend to win??

The same Zabaleta and Joke Hart he casted out won the league like 3 sesons ago.

Pep spent more than everyone in the EPL last season. Why didn't he go on a 15 match winning streak then??

Lana1:
Lol. Clap for yourself. I'm sure u thought u sounded smart when u were typing this.

Mourinho bought a player to improve a weak and dead midfield for 90mill. Pep bought both Stones and Mendy for 100 mill. Both of which have spent more time in the hospital than on the pitch. But lets sha thank God Pep was smart enough and didn't buy any one of them for more than 60mill....

Pep right now is playing better football than anyone else in the league no thanks to Mourinho and his stupîd defensive mentality. But it still doesn't change the fact that Pep has needed money to stay relevant since he left Barca. Man spent 190mill last season flopped and took it up a notch this season and spent 225mill this season

Lol..Y r twisting and turning like this naa?..Pep is playing better football than everyone else cos Mourihno plays defensively??..This is the funniest logic I've read this year..Pep is playing Better cos he is a Genius that's it..Jose can't play this way even if he chooses to..Man city this season has scored 52 league goals this season..They have 3 players in the EPL top 10 scorers, David Silva and Debryne lead the assist charts with 8 apiece..What does Jose playing defensively have to do with this?..

And that Pep has to spend money to stay relevant?..Lol..Go ask Conte how he was moaning that Chelsea didn't spend as they ought to..Did Jose spend Stones?..Every manager spends money, its not PEPs fault that Jose bought more Ls than any other person.

Lana1:
Records are meant to be made and broken. Nothing special. Conte sef went on a winning streak last season

Sir,
Conte was never regarded as a fraud who will never make it in EPL neither was he playing a brand of footie termed impossible to be played in Epl.

Lana1:
And who has said he shouldn't spend to win??
The same Zabaleta and Joke Hart he casted out won the league like 3 sesons ago.
Pep spent more than everyone in the EPL last season. Why didn't he go on a 15 match winning streak then??

one season ago Chelsea won, 2 seasons ago Leicester won, 3 seasons ago Chelsea won. S Pep should have stuck with players who won the league 4 seasons ago but Man Utd is not sticking with RvP, Rooney and those who won the league just a year earlier

Mourinho and others who spent money too. Why havent they gone to break the record

jonsnow92:
Lol..Y r twisting and turning like this naa?..Pep is playing better football than everyone else cos Mourihno plays defensively??..This is the funniest logic I've read this year..Pep is playing Better cos he is a Genius that's it..Jose can't play this way even if he chooses to..Man city this season has scored 52 league goals this season..They have 3 players in the EPL top 10 scorers, David Silva and Debryne lead the assist charts with 8 apiece..What does Jose playing defensively have to do with this?..

And that Pep has to spend money to stay relevant?..Lol..Go ask Conte how he was moaning that Chelsea didn't spend as they ought to..Did Jose spend Stones?..Every manager spends money, its not PEPs fault that Jose bought more Ls than any other person.

Mourinho bought Pogba 89M, Lukaku 75M, Conte bought Morata 70M but its only Pep who spends money, other spend leaves

jonsnow92:
Lol..Y r twisting and turning like this naa?..Pep is playing better football than everyone else cos Mourihno plays defensively??..This is the funniest logic I've read this year..Pep is playing Better cos he is a Genius that's it..Jose can't play this way even if he chooses to..Man city this season has scored 52 league goals this season..They have 3 players in the EPL top 10 scorers, David Silva and Debryne lead the assist charts with 8 apiece..What does Jose playing defensively have to do with this?..

And that Pep has to spend money to stay relevant?..Lol..Go ask Conte how he was moaning that Chelsea didn't spend as they ought to..Did Jose spend Stones?..Every manager spends money, its not PEPs fault that Jose bought more Ls than any other person.

Ok. Let me rephrase for you.
Pep is playing better football than everyone else. Mourinho is nowhere close to Pep no thanks to his defensive mentality.

Yes...yes Pep is a genius that was supposed to take EPL by storm till he went and flopped in his first season after outspending everyone in the EPL....

raumdeuter:


Mourinho bought Pogba 89M, Lukaku 75M, Conte bought Morata 70M but its only Pep who spends money, other spend leaves

Don't mind him Bro..He is just twisting and turning.

sebod:


Sir,
Conte was never regarded as a fraud who will never make it in EPL neither was he playing a brand of footie termed impossible to be played in Epl.

Well maybe u should reserve ur qurstion then for those that called Pep a fraud. Am not one of them

raumdeuter:


Mourinho bought Pogba 89M, Lukaku 75M, Conte bought Morata 70M but its only Pep who spends money, other spend leaves

This their new line of argument is just hilarious. You claimed someone is a fraud who cannot do jack in Epl, now that he's doing it, the narrative has suddenly changed to how he's spending his sugar daddy's money.
The question is, did the sugar daddy not make money available for the previous managers?

Lana1:
Well maybe u should reserve ur qurstion then for those that called Pep a fraud. Am not one of them

This is fair enough, I am aware you even wanted him over Mou then.

Lana1:
Ok. Let me rephrase for you.
Pep is playing better football than everyone else. Mourinho is nowhere close to Pep no thanks to his defensive mentality.

Yes...yes Pep is a genius that was supposed to take EPL by storm till he went and flopped in his first season after outspending everyone in the EPL....

Lol..Point of order,You aren't rephrasing for me,I quoted what you typed..Meanwhile Even with your rephrasing, That defensive mentality you keep typing is funny,you are implying that if Jose isn't defensive he probably would be playing swashbuckling football like Pep is doing this season?..What Pep is doing is special because he's proving you lots wrong..15 straight wins,No defeat this season,52 goals scored(We aren't even half the season yet), He's proving that You can play the Barca way in your so called EPL..Honestly you no get shame o for you to still b trying to prove a point jare..Lol.

sebod:

This their new line of argument is just hilarious. You claimed someone is a fraud who cannot do jack in Epl, now that he's doing it, the narrative has suddenly changed to how he's spending his sugar daddy's money.
The question is, did the sugar daddy not make money available for the previous managers?

Mourinho is not spending sugar daddy money, he is spending his own money, Same with Conte, he is spending leaves

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raumdeuter:


one season ago Chelsea won, 2 seasons ago Leicester won, 3 seasons ago Chelsea won. S Pep should have stuck with players who won the league 4 seasons ago but Man Utd is not sticking with RvP, Rooney and those who won the league just a year earlier

Mourinho and others who spent money too. Why havent they gone to break the record

Rooney until this year was still a United player. RVP, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and the rest weren't bundled out of the team so that the manager could spend mo money on their replacements the same way Pep bundled out Hart, Zabaleta and co....

United before Mourinho were no longer a top 4 team and was always flirting with the 5th, 6th and 7th positions. Talk less of title contenders.
City before Pep were still a good team and title contenders and were even going as far as UCL semis till he came along and started buying like it was black friday. No surprises he has outspent everyone in the league in just two years.

U can go on and on about how Pogba was 89mill and Lukaku was 75mill. Mourinho is not the one who determines how much players go for in the transfer market.

Since Mourinho came to United he has bought 7 players(1 of which was free). Of these 7, 4 are regular starters bar injuries and suspensions. The rest of his starting 11 were players already in the team.

Since Pep came to City, he has bought 12+ players. Of these 12, most are regulars in his starting 11 and only 4 players(KDB, Silva, Otamendi & Sterling) pre-Pep still hold starting roles at City

Lana1:
Rooney until this year was still a United player. RVP, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and the rest weren't bundled out of the team so that the manager could spend mo money on their replacements the same way Pep bundled out Hart, Zabaleta and co....

United before Mourinho were no longer a top 4 team and was always flirting with the 5th, 6th and 7th positions. Talk less of title contenders.
City before Pep were still a good team and title contenders and were even going as far as UCL semis till he came along and started buying like it was black friday. No surprises he has outspent everyone in the league in just two years.

U can go on and on about how Pogba was 89mill and Lukaku was 75mill. Mourinho is not the one who determines how much players go for in the transfer market.

Since Mourinho came to United he has bought 7 players(1 of which was free). Of these 7, 4 are regular starters bar injuries and suspensions. The rest of his starting 11 were players already in the team.

Since Pep came to City, he has bought 12+ players. Of these 12, most are regulars in his starting 11 and only 4 players(KDB, Silva, Otamendi & Sterling) pre-Pep still hold starting roles at City

Mourinho is not the one who determines the price of players, but its Pep who determine the price of his players go for in the market


What does the other part mean? Mourinho was given money he bought what he wanted using his sugar daddies money, Pep was given money by his Sugar daddy and bought hat he wanted, Just like Conte etc

Tday we are now hearing Pep is winning because he bought players

If you want Pep to have won with Hart Sagna and Zabaleta because they won it 4yrs ago, why cant Mou and Man Utd also win with Carrick, Rooney etc who won 5yrs ago

That overrated Pep, why cant he win the league with the second oldest team in the league. Why cant he win with players that are so useless that they cant get any club in Western Europe

I no no y man utd fans vex say pep dey spend money Sef.especially those ones on redcafe talking about how mab city have "ruined" football. Like man isn't the richest club in epl/the world

sebod:

This is fair enough, I am aware you even wanted him over Mou then.

See. Anyone can say shît if it suits their narrative. The same way u think its absurd that people think Pep is where he is today because of money spent is the same way i think people here sound foolish when they say the EPL is overrated.

Fact is i no even send how much Pep has spent. I only got involved in this arguments because of some ignorant people who think EPL is overrated because of some 15 match winning streak. The same EPL that humbled Pep last season that at some point he was even considering retirement after he leaves City.

And honestly I wouldn't mind if Mourinho spent 1 billion pounds in one transfer window if it guaranteed the league title that season and in subsequent seasons after that...People will go on and on about how much he spent but it wont still remove the number of titles he won.

raumdeuter:


Mourinho is not the one who determines the price of players, but its Pep who determine the price of his players go for in the market


What does the other part mean? Mourinho was given money he bought what he wanted using his sugar daddies money, Pep was given money by his Sugar daddy and bought hat he wanted, Just like Conte etc

Tday we are now hearing Pep is winning because he bought players

No. Today u are hearing of how Pep outspent everyone in the league and how he flopped in his first season and how he's spent even more money and he's suddenly now a god and a genius....

If you want Pep to have won with Hart Sagna and Zabaleta because they won it 4yrs ago, why cant Mou and Man Utd also win with Carrick, Rooney etc who won 5yrs ago

That overrated Pep, why cant he win the league with the second oldest team in the league. Why cant he win with players that are so useless that they cant get any club in Western Europe

The bulk of the players that won the league had already left before Mourinho came and United before Mourinho with Carrick and Rooney since we last won the league finished 7th, 4th, 5th. One UCL quarterfinal finish, one season without UCL and got knocked out of UCL group stage.

And before Pep, the bulk of the City players that won the league in 2014 were still present. And since that 2014, City finished 2nd and 4th. With quarterfinal and semi final places in the UCL.

Now u tell me who had the better chance between Mourinho & Pep of winning the league with the players they had on ground. Its no surprise Pep finished higher than Mourinho last season

jonsnow92:
Lol..Point of order,You aren't rephrasing for me,I quoted what you typed..Meanwhile Even with your rephrasing, That defensive mentality you keep typing is funny,you are implying that if Jose isn't defensive he probably would be playing swashbuckling football like Pep is doing this season?..What Pep is doing is special because he's proving you lots wrong..15 straight wins,No defeat this season,52 goals scored(We aren't even half the season yet), He's proving that You can play the Barca way in your so called EPL..Honestly you no get shame o for you to still b trying to prove a point jare..Lol.

If Mourinho wasn't so defensive he probably wont be on a 15 match wining streak but he would at least be like 5 or 6 points off the top compared to 11 points.

Yes we all saw how special Pep was last season

dmcdad:

We are not as stupid as Madrid fans...

Actually this question was asked on facebook and lots of Barcelona fans chose the second option because they really wanted Messi to break his jinx against Chelsea.

Another argument don land our thread gidigba.

Na me carry this matter come o.

Time to sit back and enjoy.

MadeInChina:
Actually this question was asked on facebook and lots of Barcelona fans chose the second option because they really wanted Messi to break his jinx against Chelsea.

those were not barcelona fans.

every authentic barca fan wants to win the champions league.

the champions league now is a lottery.

it opens the club to winning 4 more trophies.

it opens the star player to sweeping all the awards available for the year.

i would even trade la liga for the champions league.

tesppidd:

Another argument don land our thread gidigba.
Na me carry this matter come o.
Time to sit back and enjoy.

This one is not bad though

jonsnow92:
Alright then..Since you insist we shouldn't talk about Pep and City yet cos I'm ready to take u on on that..About EPL teams beating laliga teams this season.



Let's go down the memory lane and then I'll show you its an exception and not the norm in recent times..



Let's start from 08/09 season..Barca knocked out Chelsea in the Semis and Beat United in the final 2-0..09/10..Barca raped Arsenal 6-3 in the Champions league QF, Atletico knocked out Liverpool in the Semifinal of the Europa league and also beat Fulham in the Final of the Europa league that same season...Now 10/11, Barca beat Arsenal 4-3 in the Round of 16, Madrid trashed This same Tottenham 5-0 in the QF that same year, Barca then went on to beat United 3-1 in the final at Wembley..Of course you haven't forgotten how Fergie developed cold and cartarh suddenly that Night..





Let's go to 11/12..Valencia beat stoke 2-0 in Europa League R32 and knocked stoke out..That same season was when Munian(19yr old at the time) let Atlethic Bilbao to beat United in the Europa league 3-2 and knocked them out..Chelsea knocked Out Barca 3-2 in the Semis that season though..That makes the scores here Laliga 10 v EPL 1...



12/13..UEFA super cup Falcao scored an Hatrick as Atl raped Chelsea 4-1...Also Ororo led Madrid to beat United in the R16..Madrid won 3-2 and knocked out United again..





13/14..Barca beat City 4-1 in R16 and thus knocked City out of the CL..(City were eventual champions of the EPL that same season)..Also Atletico defeated Chelsea 3-1 in the Semi Final and thus knocked Chelsea out of the CL that same season to set up an all Spanish final.





14/15...Barca beat City again 3-1 and knocked city out again in R16 of the CL..




15/16..Barca Gangraped Arsenal again 5-1 in R16 of the CL and knocked them out..Also Madrid beat City 1-0 in the CL Semis that same season and thus knocked them out..Not forgetting that Sevilla also beat Liverpool in the Europa league Final that season..This makes the scores Laliga 19..EPL 1..



So this shows that Tottenham and Chelsea won this year are actually the exceptions and not the norm..So biko is the Epl comparable to the LA liga with these evidences??.. Dont you think you should cover your face in shame?..Dont bring up this argument again and pls take your L in shame.

You just wasted quality time to write irrelevant stuffs. Do you judge a league based on past glory or present?

You lots are saying the league IS, not WAS, mediocre. why would you be reminding me of what happened 10 years ago? Why not just extend it to 50 years ago?

Just tell me what happened between laliga and epl teams that made English league rubbish between last season and this season. I expected the superiority to be so pronounced to validate this 'overrating' assertion.

sebod:

He tried it last season and failed while he's succeeding now. But you guys told us he could never do it in Epl while playing his style.

La Liga teams are not doing fine at the moment? Yes! However, should we take Basel winning Man United as Swiss league better than Epl? I guess no!

No one expected him to be spending money recklessly to win it. So he shocked us.

If he fails to win it after buying two goal keepers for over 50m in less than a year, buying a right back for 50m, buying a midfielder with huge amount to sit on the bench, he risks being shot at close range by dubai mafias.