If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

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Truth is, HND holders are not as regarded as Bsc holders in the Nigerian labour market. I'm sure people know this by now.

Except for the lucky ones, Most HND holders are employed as contract staff. No bonuses an other entitlement.

Sincerely, I dislike the way they are being treated. But from onset, Polytechnics were created for entrepreneurs, not for people who want to be gainfully employed, hence, the reason for disregard by most employees. I suppose it was established at the time of recession in The US to create more entrepreneurs to alleviate the bad economy at the time.

OP, I can relate to your standpoint.

Sage7:
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Brother, come and modify this 'comment' right now

Do what works for you. There are companies that prefer HND graduates, others B.Sc. Then there are some who will not even call you for an interview if there's no 'Oxford' or 'Harvard' somewhere on your CV.
At the end of the day, it's always best to work towards being an employer of labour wherever you find yourself, instead of being a professional employee.

LibertyRep:


Brother, come and modify this 'comment' right now

Modified

I can feel the pain in your write up. It is either you are a holder of the certificate or you experienced someone that was ridiculed with his/her certificate.

What i observe is that, there is no difference between the two systems, the only difference is the name the two are called(university and polytechnic).

It is only in nigeria that we celebrate certificate.

Someone who attends open university all in the name of having a degree will equally wants to discriminate with the holder of HND.

If you see some holder of HND cert you would say the system shouldn't be scrapped.

The country that introduced the polytechnic education to us had since scrapped it though.

the dichotomy between the two in this country is unending.

Same reason why I dropped out of polytechnic and wrote jamb again.
Best decision ever.

The truth is bitter o, as for me I no fit ever advice anybody mk him go poly.
For GTbank wey I do my IT den, a guy was let go
because he was a contract staff with HND. After 10years with all the experience

Rolex67:
Same reason why I dropped out of polytechnic and wrote jamb again.

Best decision ever.

Vicky Vicky.

LibertyRep:


Brother, come and modify this 'comment' right now

He's been taken away to Yaba-Left International to become their new CEO. Congrats to him!

Sage7:
Truth is, HND holders are not as regarded as Bsc holders in the Nigerian labour market. I'm sure people know this by now.

Except for the lucky ones, Most HND holders are employed as contract staff. No bonuses an other entitlement.

Sincerely, I dislike the way they are being treated. But from onset, Polytechnics were created for entrepreneurs, not for people who want to be gainfully employed, hence, the reason for disregard by most employees. I suppose it was established at the time of recession in The US to create more entrepreneurs to alleviate the bad economy at the time.

OP, I can relate to your standpoint.

The dichotomy is huge and I don't see ending, not anytime soon.

HND certificate, That Shell said the certificate is equivalent to Third class BSc.... The dichotomy is unending, It is better to go to the University and save yourself of future stress and stigmatization. That was how in the Ondo state Judiciary, the Chief Judge created a policy and the Bsc were to head all departments and stations, one man who is an HND holder for years in one of the courts retired, guess why, his son Bsc Holder who he helped process the job and who has spent barely three years in the system will now be heading the station where he is working.....Tufiakwa

To save yourself from drama, long stories, stigmatization and a whole lot, get a university degree.

Follysho707:


He's been taken away to Yaba-Left International to become their new CEO. Congrats to him!

Yaba-Left That's huge! Two of una get scores to settle before?

I will prefer you do what you like cos I know of a guy who have HND and nw work with GT bank with big pay.... in a country where there is no job...

semoly:
The truth is bitter o, as for me I no fit ever advice anybody mk him go poly.
For GTbank wey I do my IT den, a guy was let go
because he was a contract staff with HND. After 10years with all the experience

This happened to my brother too , he was us laid off after 7 years in GT Bank with all his experiences.
The truth is bitter there is a wide discrimination against HND holders in Nigeria.

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Happened to my Sister at her place of work. One boy wey buy jamb enter university just come head all of them we don dey d work since wey d boy dey secondary school. D boy don buy better car, even dem wey dey since never buy car.

Absolutely true,, years back, my uncle once told me its better to study paper and nylon in a university than "medicine in a polytechnic",, he works with FFS.

Do you know HND holders in FFS, NSCDC and other paramilitary agencies under ministry of interior don't use star (except for accounting and engineering graduates). They use "bar" while Bsc holders use "star". Infact HND graduates don't go beyond level 12 in these paramilitary agencies and Bsc holders can get as far as level 18. I heard they're fighting against this discrimination, don't know how far with it now.

Lallasticalla pls move this to front page for more review. Chai.. I was just offered admission for HND program and now am scared

I remember Dangote's recruitment advert 2 years ago or so, HND was equated with Bsc 3rd class.

1st class
Second class upper
Second class lower
Third class/HND.

So if you made a distinction from a polytechnic, you're on the same level with a 3rd class graduate from a university (according to the recruiters.)

Cut off mark - Infact polytechnics are the ones shooting themselves, a university cut off mark is 200 while a polytechnic is as low as 120. That means "all ye rejected university candidates, come over".

Human resource - How many professors are in polytechnics, maybe one or two.

Advanced learning - Polytechnics don't run postgraduate programs. I've never heard anyone running a masters program in a polytechnic (that's not what they're created for though)

Other professional certificates - some universities run professional programs apart from post graduate programs. For instance, CESRA in FUTA offers professional certificate in GIS (in affiliation with OAU)

The discrimination will continue until government intervenes.
Till then, pls save yourself future headache like someone adviced above. Just go to a university.

Funny enough almost all of us have one experience to share about this HND/B.sc discrimination. in my own case, my friend elder brother who had HND from Nekede poly with over 8years working experience in the bank was short change with promotions. family man with two children's who couldn't accept the discrimination got enrolled in UI distance learning to obtain Bsc.

today the rest is history because promotion and pay check has increased...

This is serious

thesicilian:
Do what works for you. There are companies who prefer HND graduates, others B.Sc. Then there are some who will not even call you for an interview if there's no 'Oxford' or 'Harvard' somewhere on your CV.
At the end of the day, it's always best to work towards being an employer of labour wherever you find yourself, instead of being a professional employee.

yeah but the op is only giving logical advice based on the current reality. I have seen firsthand how HND holders are discriminated and getting that degree isn't worth it.
To the last part of your post, ever wondered what the world will be like if we all became employers of labour? Just like you said do what works for you, some people fulfil purpose by serving and helping others. I know we all want to be like Bill G but there's nothing wrong with being the behind the scenes guy

O.P. this is so true .

I am in Level 400.
I remember being on holidays and decided to engage myself into teaching to get my self busy. When I passed the interview, the principal gave me the salary script, it was like

ND = 18,000
HND= 19,000
B.sc = 28,000

Because I haven't finished school, and I negotiated with her and we ended 25000.

Many HND teacher there who have stayed for many years still haven't think of collecting the salary I collected.
And I was to serve for just that term

Very bad

B.S.E work and do not work for some.
H.ND work and do not work for some.

I don't think certificate has anything to do with success, success depends on personality, a B.S.E older who is rich, will still be rich as an H.N.D holder and will still be rich even if he is not a graduate. It's either you are going to be rich, or poor, depending on your personality.

Since a lot of people will view this thread, I copied this article from nairaland concerning d same dichotomy, it answers the reason for the discrimination and the difference between HND and BSc certificate.

Read painstakingly;

Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them
With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy ( m): 2:10pm On Nov
10 , 2015
This is getting too old and stale.
While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates
and denying them of promotions, appointments and a
chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that
HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/
DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a
Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other
appellations are the recognised standard for academic,
theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is
not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better
off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers.
The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are
middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be
called upon and relied on for their technical expertise.
University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical
study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to
have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and
careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter
how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we
try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that
they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and
another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and
same.
On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have
iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an
intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically
inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves
that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even
beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this
does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually
buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It
doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a
4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our
Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in
HND programmes are far lower, both individually and
cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the
course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and
elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the
calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower
than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have
a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard
facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these
come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian
Polytechnics!
The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics
should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary"
or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be
overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre,
alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating"
process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics.
Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA
system and courses should be well developed, standard and
carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be
hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of
Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should
always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological
pedagogical system.
Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I
believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end
this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it,
nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and
look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed,
ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers'
decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we
either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have
always done.



To save yourself of future headache, get a university degree.

simplebb:
Since a lot of people will view this thread, I copied this article from nairaland concerning d same dichotomy, it answers the reason for the discrimination and the difference between HND and BSc certificate.

Read painstakingly;

Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them
With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy ( m): 2:10pm On Nov
10 , 2015
This is getting too old and stale.
While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates
and denying them of promotions, appointments and a
chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that
HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/
DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a
Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other
appellations are the recognised standard for academic,
theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is
not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better
off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers.
The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are
middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be
called upon and relied on for their technical expertise.
University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical
study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to
have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and
careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter
how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we
try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that
they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and
another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and
same.
On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have
iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an
intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically
inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves
that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even
beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this
does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually
buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It
doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a
4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our
Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in
HND programmes are far lower, both individually and
cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the
course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and
elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the
calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower
than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have
a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard
facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these
come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian
Polytechnics!
The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics
should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary"
or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be
overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre,
alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating"
process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics.
Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA
system and courses should be well developed, standard and
carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be
hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of
Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should
always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological
pedagogical system.
Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I
believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end
this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it,
nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and
look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed,
ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers'
decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we
either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have
always done.



To save yourself of future headache, get a university degree.

Truer words have never been said.

Most times, in an office setting, you will have to report directly to someone who is far younger than you are, and who wouldn't think twice to castigate you for any mistakes. Sometimes you will be made to be the fall guy, the one who takes the blame for Oga's ineptitude. And this will come from someone who went to a higher institution just like you, with the same first degree and same experience.

Then there is a cap. You can't get past a certain level. While your counterparts can aspire to be the MD of the company tomorrow, you would be stuck with something like Chief Technologist. Or Chief Operating Officer (COO) not Chief Executive Officer (CEO).

To further demean you, people will ask "No be polytechnic you go" when you tell them that you are a graduate.

A PhD holder (Dr) can head a polytechnic, but you must be a professor before taking a shot at being a VC. You can even count the number of professors in a polytechnic, but in almost every department in a university, there are 1 or 2 professors there.

If you desire to work till retirement, then get the proper qualifications. Let the foundation be from a university, don't make the mistake of enrolling for PGD or Msc because the disparity will still be there.

They are Universities today were u can convert your HND to Degree with less duration via distance learning University of South Africa UNISA Duration A year and university of Portsmouth. If u have the financial cost.

Hmmmm

So much hard truths in one post. If polytechnics want to measure up with the University, they should make their entry requirements same as well as many other things that have been said. For now, it is more like a dumping ground for those rejected in the University, unless you still intend to acquire a degree which would give you an edge.

I remember how I wrote Jamb several times and struggled to enter the University, I knew my mates that went to the Polytechnic after a trial out of frustration because of "My mates are all in school" mentality. Polytechnic is good for technical and engineering courses as it can get you self employed. Even at that, an Engineering University graduate is still ahead of you because he gives directions while the technicians carry out the practical duties.

In conclusion, get the fùcking degree!!

Well said OP.

snake