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Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:57pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
Modo9: Says who ? Is this an objective or a subjective stance ? Is there a consensus to 'there's no evidence of god' ? Let's have a discussion . Anyone who is interested in winning the cash prize knows what to do . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by budaatum: 6:59pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:No! No no no no! Goddamn man. How you show your own illogicality! Though, and at the expense of the atheist, you are logical in a rather comical sense. Any atheist who allows you to be the judge of your ability to reason is not smart at all. Since you lack the ability to reason no argument constructed can be above your purview and so the money would never be won as part of your illogicality is the inability to see logic in anyone else's argument. Its like say you commit a jail going crime and are brought before the judge who just happens to be yourself. How much jail time do you think you would give yourself if you could find yourself guilty in the first place? My point is not so much that you "lack the intellectual ability to refute it". In fact, you do have the intellectual ability to refute it, but your refutation lacks rational and logic and is therefore in error and dishonest (as in, in my view, you actually know better). 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:00pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
budaatum: Ok. So are you still interested in taking up the challenge ? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by budaatum: 7:04pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Sorry, no. I haven't the time to waste if you are to do the judging. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:07pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
budaatum: Alright . |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by JackBizzle: 9:47pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
By far the dumbest thread of the year. Cc Hahn dalaman 8 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Ranchhoddas: 9:53pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
Who will be the judge? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:59pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
JackBizzle:What makes the thread dumb ? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:01pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas: Me ! If I can't refute the argument then you win . Info is in the OP . It's a very simple task . Goodluck if you are interested ! |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by butterflyl1on: 10:21pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Ranchhoddas: 10:26pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:What guarantees do we have that will agree with a superior argument if such was presented? How would you even recognize it? 2 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:30pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas: Me not being able to refute the argument shows that I recognize it as a superior argument . But my interlocutor must be to defend his argument very well . |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:32pm On Dec 19, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Nigga said God should send emails . Imagine him having a debate with the great Plantinga and he mentions that. Just try to imagine 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Dohgon(m): 5:04am On Dec 20, 2017 |
1) Why a “God” does not exist A god in the sense that man describes (he/she/it) does not exist. There is no way to prove his physical existence because even in the bible he never revealed himself to the Hebrews. Man can only describe their so-called god by his non-physical influence on them. Even so, god as described by popular religion is unbecoming of an intelligent entity simply because his character has more flaws than that of a human. He is jealous. The bible describes the Hebrews (Jews) as his people yet every time they disobey his rules he turned his back against them leaving them to get killed, and enslaved. He is unethical. He does not care for the starving and suffering masses. Likewise, the deformed, lame, or ugly. He is cruel. He alone is responsible for wickedness as explained in Job. Lucifer can do nothing without his permission and even if he doesn’t know about Lucifer’s wickedness on Earth, he knows Lucifer’s character yet he allows him to be and do evil. I could go on but the point is clear, God has human characteristics because he is a creation of man. He is a figment of man’s imagination. 2) I am one who believes that the universe is a single intelligence. Furthermore, my definition of universe is 99% abstract (Energy). To speak of something as substantial is almost illogical like saying; my thoughts are real when you cant see, hear, or feel them. Religion simply attempts to describe that intelligence but in their imagination they always need a (Host), an anthropomorphic representation of their beliefs and morals. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:55am On Dec 20, 2017 |
Dohgon: This has been refuted so many times on this forum . And God having human characteristics is called anthropomorphism and the writers of the bible used it so as make God comprehensible to a human reader . Deists like Xenophanes criticised the use of anthropomorphism in religious texts. Deism also rejects divine revelation or manifestation from God . So impugning God's revelation of Itself to humans isn't really questioning His existence. In maltheism/dystheism , God is an evil being or not totally a good being like other types of theism portray him to be . We have rationalism as a means of obtaining knowledge of things we can't perceive through reason - and this admits empiricism is fallible and limited since our sensory experience only dwells on the physical. Though one can make use of both rationalism and empiricism to obtain knowledge Eg The Cosmological Argument for God's existence allows both empirical evidence and reason through deduction to attain the corollary which is the affirmation of the existence of God God has morally sufficient reasons why he permits evil mainly because of freewill . Every moral agent has the ability to do things on their volition and so if God permits evil , it could because of the expression of freewill . That's why we moral laws that help us freely choose to do good not evil . Evil itself is evidence for God . Why ? Because evil is a departure from good and since God (the epitome of moral goodness) is good , evil is contrary to Its nature . In positive deism, God gives man reason to figure out or discover Its nature . So saying that man expressing this God-given ability to ascertain Its nature is proof that God is a figment of our imagination is ridiculous . 2) I am one who believes that the universe is a single intelligence. Furthermore, my definition of universe is 99% abstract (Energy). To speak of something as substantial is almost illogical like saying; my thoughts are real when you cant see, hear, or feel them. Religion simply attempts to describe that intelligence but in their imagination they always need a (Host), an anthropomorphic representation of their beliefs and morals. The emboldened text has been the foundation for many good arguments for God's existence . 1. Mental states are non-physical , your thoughts can't be felt or touched like you clearly said . And the only logical explanation for an non-physical state is that a non-physical ultimate mind(God) exists. Material objects like your chair , table , don't experience mental states only minds do . And our thoughts could be about something else (intentionality) Eg I can think of the battle in the 1800s between the Zulu warriors and the British soldiers who were about 1400 were decimated. And we have a fine argument that through deduction points to the existence of God . Here is the syllogistic form : 1. If God does not exist , intentional states of consciousness do not exist . 2. Intentional states of consciousness exist 3. Therefore, God exists From premise 1 , materialists deny the existence of intentional states of consciousness. And if intentional states of consciousness do not exist , then a non-physical ultimate mind which is the reason for such nature and experience do not exist From premise 2 , you agree that intentional states of consciousness exist by admitting that thoughts are non-physical Then the obvious conclusion is to affirm the existence of God . 2. In the idealist's world , our thoughts are basically what form our reality . And our ideas mostly are simply of what what we perceive and this includes objects : chairs , tables, etc . So here is an argument in defence of this stance 1. We perceive ordinary objects 2. We perceive ideas 3. Therefore , ordinary objects are ideas. Don't forget ideas are mind-dependent. You need a mind to elicit ideas . And this is the basis of George Berkeley 's Esse Est Percipi - to be is to be perceived. If we should go further , he addresses how this conclusion that objects are ideas prove the existence of an ultimate mind or an ultimate perceiver of things(God) - the reason why objects (which are ideas ) exist even though our finite minds are not there to perceive them . This is how we use reason and sensory experience to obtain knowledge of things beyond our our sensory experience . 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by butterflyl1on: 10:04am On Dec 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You killed his argument, revived it and killed it again just for fun. ![]() This is a response not just to his comment but to all other arguments that may arise. Na die dem dey o. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:26am On Dec 20, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: ![]() They don't know what awaits them ![]() All of them claiming atheism is logical have now been given an opportunity to show how tenable atheist arguments are . See them running away now and some asking God to send email to prove his existence . I guess God@yahoo.com would be the email address. Bunch of jokers ! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by butterflyl1on: 10:37am On Dec 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: LMAO sending an email is too small na. He should have asked God to turn his roof into a door and walk through it. Bunch of cretinous hobglobins. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:26pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
CoolUsername: Yeah |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by JackBizzle: 12:33pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
So butterflyl1on has become an azz-licker? I envy Ebuka. He has his own worshipper 2 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by Dohgon(m): 1:35pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
Killed who?? 1)Your rebuttal argument is a catch 22. It asserts that a god may or may not exist but man is too mentally limited to comprehend its motives and intentions. Lets say we play by the rules of religion The objective of religion is to obey the will of god. The best example of this is Adam and Eve. He gave them freewill but put temptations in their path. Why? There is no logical reason for this having already done so in the creation of his Angels. 2) As I said, intelligence needs no host (catch 22) again. Limited logic and perception that Electro-magnetic energy cannot exist unless created by a separate thing. How was the universe created? Electro-magnetic energy. The only dispute is by what means, a big bang or the hand of an illusionart man-like being. Intelligence is the creator but it has nothing to do with how any religion describes it. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by CoolUsername: 2:36pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I suddenly have a feeling that this challenge is a scam. 4 Likes |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:39pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
CoolUsername:Hehehehehe |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:46pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
Dohgon: Not every theist is religious. Not every theist believes in the Adam and Eve story . Stop making any references to the bible or any other religious texts . Pay attention to my rebuttal and see if I mentioned anything about the bible apart from explaining why anthropomorphism is used to portray God. There are non-theistic religions and atheistic religions , so the objective of religion is not to obey the will of God 2) As I said, intelligence needs no host (catch 22) again. Limited logic and perception that Electro-magnetic energy cannot exist unless created by a separate thing. How was the universe created? Electro-magnetic energy. The only dispute is by what means, a big bang or the hand of an illusionart man-like being. Intelligence is the creator but it has nothing to do with how any religion describes it. Intelligence needs no host is a false assertion. Ex nihilo nihil fit - nothing comes from nothing ; if there was nothing, things(abstract or concrete ) like intelligence wouldn't exist. |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 3:21pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Wow ! The King has done it again. His elegant rebuttal deserves a standing ovation from all wise persons.I am certain that Butterfly1on can design an award for the highly esteemed Nairalander Kingebukasblog and post it to all relevant topics. I have taken the liberty of emailing the King's comments to two hundred including Atheists on my mailing list and my inbox is viral man. May the King stay strong. More grease to his elbows !! 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:23pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Thanks bro . God bless you ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 3:28pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
dammyloye:Just listen to you. The Atheist God is called No-god. WHY can't you prove that your God exist ? Or are you also an unregistered non fee paying Atheist ? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by JackBizzle: 3:43pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Does Ebuka pay you for licking ass? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 3:49pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
Tozara:I am very surprised. You have more than one moniker SHITBAG. Which one are you using now ? |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by ScienceWatch: 4:05pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
Tozara:Aka TOZARA, hey fuckface, are you still DAZZLING VAGINAS with your tiny tiny WEENY? Your pretentious language is your downfall Sir, DID you know that Kingebukasblog can easily pay for your operation to finally do that much needed penal enlargement? Are you using many monikers to compensate for your tiny tiny WEENY and erectile dysfunction? You are also a self proclaimed Catholic Atheist now here is your chance to Fuckin win the money to pay for your operation. 1 Like |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by JackBizzle: 4:07pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Something is definitely wrong with you 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Closed : Shallow Atheists As Usual Failed Woefully To Destroy These Challenges by CoolUsername: 4:10pm On Dec 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I don't believe that a failed blogger has 100k in disposable cash think that whatever argument is thrown at you will simply be disregarded since you are both the custodian of the reward and the umpire of the challenge. In the event that no one wins the challenge, (since you aren't exactly an unbiased party) why don't you donate the 100k to a charity and document it on this forum? 8 Likes |
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