CandidSeeker:


RELIGION MAY OR MAYNOT INVOLVE GOD.

Going By The Definitions Below, We Are All Religious.

An activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly. -Cambridge

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. -Oxford Living Dictionaries

A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. -Dictionary.com

An interest, a belief or an activity that is very important to a person or group. -Webster

Sapiosexuality:
I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both.

Sapiosexuality:
I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both.

johnydon22:


Actually agnosticism is atheistic in a broad sense.

lilmax:
the crap "atheism " should end in 2017


it can't stand without a God....I don't take atheists seriously

hopefulLandlord:
it depends on how you define each term

Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshit. That's like saying Pantheism is Monotheism in a broad sense.

Sapiosexuality:
How YOU define the terms and not the universal acceptance and understanding of both terms? Even if I understand one as the belief in God and the other as Deism?

hopefulLandlord:


I said it depends on your own definition of both terms

what do you mean when you say "Atheism" and what does the word "Agnosticism" mean to you? could you tell us the "Universal acceptance" of those terms?

NothingDoMe:
@johnydon22. I'm of the opinion that a mortal man shouldn't make use of the word MUST when he doesn't have the power to enforce it.

Sapiosexuality:
Does this apply to every other definition or just to the definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism?

johnydon22:
I have been on this board for years and one must be forced to admit that all the arguments we go through here have seen numerous recycling. It is not so surprising because the argument of whether God(s) exist or not will always remain an Inconclusive one

But there are also some arguments here that are nothing but just silly. Some absurd arguments unworthy of attention due to the gross misrepresentation or just naivety of the arguer on the subject.

Here are a list of arguments i think should not cross over to 2018.

Atheism is a religion

As ridiculous as this sounds, it still somehow manages to crop up every now and then. Atheism is just as much religion as theism and theism is not a religion but a position.

I will try to simplify this to the most fundamental build-up so that whoever brings it up again, we all will agree is an id-iot.

Theism - Belief that God exists: This is not a religion, it is just a label for exercising belief in God or Gods

Atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God: Just like theism this is still not a religion but rather a label to quantify the position of unbelief in deities.

However. Religions can be formed based on Theistic and atheistic principles.

For example: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism are religions based on the fundamental principles or assumption that God exists,
Broad atheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism lack this principle, either in denial of Gods or a clear indifference to the subject.

Imagine Theism or atheism as beer crates.

In the theistic crate you find A bottle of christianity, Islam, hinduism, ATL and many others. Removes these bottles, the crate will still be there.

Same goes for atheism.

So to say Atheism is a religion is just an imbecilic as saying a crate of beer is a bottle.





Without God, where do atheists get their morality from?

This argument is used often and mostly from a naive standpoint. One must first of all understand the average atheist's stance on morality. Morality is a societal construct, a society makes and sets it's own rules and laws, stipulates it's own morals and this is hinged on a basic definition.

"Anything that decreases human suffering and directly or indirectly affects general societal well being, justice, equality, freedom and continuation"

This definition is socially hinged.

On the other hand, a sin is a religious construct and this are actions that goes against God's will.

A sin therefore is not necessarily societally wrong.

Atheists do not really bother what your religion regards a sin or not, No. Atheists are humans in a human society therefore are guided by human laws and ethics as stipulated by the society.

And also react to certain actions out of empathy, compassion and love and these are human emotions.



Who created the universe?

First, this argument invokes the logical fallacy of begging the question. By using the "term" who, you have already determined that your answer must be a "who" therefore whatever answer that falls out of this predetermined expectation scope is invalid and wrong.

Rather the correct question is "How did the universe came to be?" with this your answer can either be a "who" or a "what"

Again, this argument also is a projection of argument from ignorance, if you do not know how the universe came to be therefore God.

Being an atheist doesn't give you a first row seat during creation, factually we all can only speculate and assume or trying to scientifically connect the dots of creation through scientifically observed facts.

So we may disagree on our world view on how we think it all started but do not assume up or impose a position on the atheist argument until heard.


more to follow.... You may also add yours.

mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

Sapiosexuality:
Does this apply to every other definition or just to the definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism?

johnydon22:


I totally agree. I think i was just trying to chip in a dose of humor, sarcasm perhaps. I know none of these arguments really would end, people'd still bring them up in 2018

Purebeerry:
You are either a free thinker or you are a religious person.

I choose to be religious.

mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.

Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.

Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

Geofavor:
Buddhism is Theistic. They call their God Buddha.

johnydon22:


Just define "atheism" and "agnosticism"

Geofavor:
Buddhism is Theistic. They call their God Buddha.

johnydon22:


Actually agnosticism is atheistic in a broad sense.

hopefulLandlord:

Definitions apply into many things too but even moreso when one is discussing what one thinks are mutually exclusive

Geofavor:
How? I disagree. Agnosticism is the bridge between Theism and Atheism.

Geofavor:
Buddhism is Theistic. They call their God Buddha.

johnydon22:
Atheism is the opposite of religion

This is typically found among atheists especially new ones. Somehow most people mistake irreligiously for atheism which is not so.

One do not necessarily need to be religious to believe in God.

And one also do not necessarily need to be irreligious in order to be atheistic.

Though it will be fair to note that irreligiousness is mostly found in atheists but there are also people who believe in God but are not religious.

One can be religious and still be atheistic, there are numerous religious practices that exempt or are indifferent to the existence of God.

Irreligiosness is the direct opposite of religiosity

A truer statement rather is that Atheism is the opposite of theism

Sapiosexuality:
Google.

Atheism: Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of
deities.

Agnosticism: Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God , of the divine or the
supernatural is unknown or
unknowable.

Now Define Agnosticism Atheism?

johnydon22:

Good for you. I choose to be free

Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshit. That's like saying Pantheism is Monotheism in a broad sense.

sirfee:


Can you back up the bolded statement.

what do you have to say about deism.