hopefulLandlord:


nope Buddhism rejects the notion of a creator deity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_in_Buddhism

But it entertains beliefs of the supernatural

This is more of a Biological argument and not a religious one but it still relates.

IF WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS?

This s#it must end 2018 cause it makes you wonder if the person even has a knowledge of what he/she is talking about.

johnydon22:


using same Google.

Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.

Doesn't the lack of belief in a deity suggest knowability?

Sapiosexuality:
You didn't answer my question. Does this mutual exclusivity define anything? If what I think about Christianity in a discussion is the worship of Muhammad and Allah, what then? Am I good enough to be engaged?

now I get your question

this is what you said in your first post "I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both."

I said it depends on how you define atheism and agnosticism cuz contrary to what people think, atheism has lots of definitions and there's no "Universal acceptance" of those terms like you are actually claiming

Sapiosexuality:
Does this apply to every other definition or just to the definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism?

Don't be confused, agnosticism is a position of knowledge and not of believe.
An agnostic theist is a person who believes in a god(s) but doesn't know for sure
if one exist while an agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a god(s)
and can't know for sure if one exist.

One line dictionary definitions are not a smart way to discuss philosophical intellectual topics.

Geofavor:
But it entertain beliefs of the supernatural

You can be an atheist and still believe in the supernatural yeah i know its wierd but atheist who do believe in supernatural do exist

Geofavor:
But it entertains beliefs of the supernatural

belief in the Supernatural =/= belief in god (s)

Geofavor:
But it entertains beliefs of the supernatural

an atheist can believe in Supernatural things. Definition of atheism stops at "Disbelief in God"

Deicide:
This is more of a Biological argument and not a religious one but it still relates.

IF WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS?

This s#it must end 2018 cause it makes you wonder if the person even has a knowledge of what he/she is talking about.

Many people confuse evolutionary biology with atheism mainly due to
ignorant pastors and imams misrepresenting and teaching what they
don't understand.

Sapiosexuality:
Doesn't the lack of belief in a deity suggest knowability?

Nope. Just like "belief" doesn't suggest same

johnydon22:


Does an agnostic belief in God?

Not entirely. Atheist: entirely.

Geofavor:
Not entirely. Atheist: entirely.

I do not understand this.

Does an agnostic believe in God?

johnydon22:


Atheism is the disbelief in God(s).. Niaraland religious section treats the subject of God, so we are here to air our own opinion on the subject of God..

but you just said atheism is not a religion, can you please explain how you do not need another section to air your opinion of God because I believed its the religion of those in said section that ignites their views on the subject of God.
just like you said, it treats the subject of (belief in) God and not a disbelief... maybe Seun should create an irreligious or miscellaneous section.

hopefulLandlord:


now I get your question

this is what you said in your first post "I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both."

I said it depends on how you define atheism and agnosticism cuz contrary to what people think, atheism has lots of definitions and there's no "Universal acceptance" of those terms like you are actually claiming

Okay. Nice. But there are etymologies and things cannot be completely semantically uprooted from their etymologies. Would it be wrong to use it here? Is there even any definition of atheism that is etymologically different?

Sapiosexuality:
Doesn't the lack of belief in a deity suggest knowability?

No it doesn't which is where agnosticism comes into play. In atheism, we say there is no proof to suggest that a God exists this does not mean that a God does not exist it only means that there isn't enough proof to suggest that one does exist.

ivolt:

Many people confuse evolutionary biology with atheism mainly due to ignorant pastors and imams misrepresenting and teaching what they don't understand.

Lol so they now teach evolutionary biology in church?

johnydon22:


an atheist can believe in Supernatural things. Definition of atheism stops at "Disbelief in God"

Yet God is supernatural

Okay o feel free to continue in your delusion.

sonofthunder:

but you just said atheism is not a religion, can you please explain how you do not need another section to air your opinion of God because I believed its the religion of those in said section that ignites their views on the subject of God.
just like you said, it treats the subject of (belief in) God and not a disbelief... maybe Seun should create an irreligious or miscellaneous section.

"God" is not peculiar to religion as a subject. More so, an atheist can be religious too as stated on my post.

Again, both God and religions are matters of public concerns as we feel the effects of these two subjects none withstanding our position or opinion on them

johnydon22:


Actually agnosticism is atheistic in a broad sense.

An agnostic believes it is impossible to know if god(s) exist ("Strong Agnosticism", or believes that the answer may in principle be discovered, but is currently not known ("Weak Agnosticism". Some agnostics feel that the answer is not important.



An atheist belie lieves that god(s) do not exist ("Strong Atheism" or does not believe in the existence of any known deities but does not explicitly assert there to be none ("Weak Atheism".


I'll just say an agnostic is making himself avialable to be convinced While atheist is simply a deviant

ivolt:

Don't be confused, agnosticism is a position of knowledge and not of believe.
An agnostic theist is a person who believes in a god(s) but doesn't know for sure
if one exist while an agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a god(s)
and can't know for sure if one exist.

One line dictionary definitions are not a smart way to discuss philosophical intellectual topics.

That's my problem. Can one claim to belief there's no God and still say he's not sure if there's a God? Or you mean to say that Atheists, by been atheists, have no logical basis for their position since what they have is just a belief?

johnydon22:


an atheist can believe in Supernatural things. Definition of atheism stops at "Disbelief in God"

This belief is contrasting. Isn't the concept of God itself a supernatural thing?

Sapiosexuality:
I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both.

Wrong, you are either an atheist or a theist.
Agnostic is just a descriptive term used by people who are too scared to call themselves atheist
even though they are practically atheist.

bkool7:



An agnostic believes it is impossible to know if god(s) exist ("Strong Agnosticism", or believes that the answer may in principle be discovered, but is currently not known ("Weak Agnosticism". Some agnostics feel that the answer is not important.

Now the important question, judging from the agnostic position would you say such a person believes in the concept of God abound?

Geofavor:
This belief is contrasting. Isn't the concept of God itself a supernatural thing?

A unicorn is a natural concept but we don't believe it exist none the less. So one can believe in supernatural while maintaining disbelief for the concept of God.

That you say that a bag exists doesn't mean you believe a diamond ball is inside the bag

I hope you understand it now

johnydon22:


an atheist can believe in Supernatural things. Definition of atheism stops at "Disbelief in God"

Kindly list the "supernatural " things an atheist can believe in and also list those YOU believe in.

johnydon22:


I do not understand this.

Does an agnostic believe in God?

No, but not entirely.

Does an atheist believe in God?

No, and entirely.

Deicide:
No it doesnt which is where agnotism comes into play. In atheism we say there is no proof to sujest that a God exist this does not mean that a God does not exist it only means that there isnt enough proof to sujest that one does exist.

Not enough proof is not atheism. Even science, an entirely different field, could say so. Atheism is simply the belief in the absence of gods. Agnosticism says we don't know if there is god or not. Atheism says we know he doesn't exist. Then we make a man who knows and doesn't know. How do you reconcile that?

Geofavor:
No, but not entirely.

Thus broadly..

comprehende?

johnydon22:


A unicorn is a natural concept but we don't believe it exist none the less. So one can believe in supernatural while maintaining disbelief for the concept of God.

That you say that a bag exists doesn't mean you believe a diamond ball is inside the bag

I hope you understand it now

Stop confusing yourself and pulling others along in your confusion. You are talking about atheists being able to believe in the supernatural but not in God yet in order to give an example you used a unicorn which is a natural creature or is a unicorn regarded as supernatural in your village?

What has a bag existing got to do with any ball being in the bag? The bag is in focus and is different from a ball being inside the said bag except you want to talk about both in one breath but individually they are separated in focus.

Comprende?

Smh. Semantic breakdown alone can trash out all these stuff you consider as backup point for atheism. laughable and cunny. atheist being shifting stance since 2000years ago to make up for loopholes their legends stood on but never addressed. The search for the "TRUTH" is just what many of them practice, and not atheism. And that leads us back to Solomon the preacher..

johnydon22:


Nope. Just like "belief" doesn't suggest same

But it is because you know something about that you reject it? You are not in a neutral position like a new born baby. You decided to reject it because you studied it and know it is full of shit. So you know. And if you don't or think there proof is not good enough, why not stay neutral like an agnostic until you know a lot? Why should a man who knows there's no God be the same man who knows God is unknowable?