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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:I guess they are theistic atheists ![]() johnydon22: Agnostics believe believe the concept of God cannot be understood. They are partly atheistic and theistic |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:Wow! So an atheist beliefs there's a possibility of the existence of God? Can there be a married bachelor? 2 Likes |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Fegelfire: 1:36pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god. The only effects it has is the potential for people to question, rethink or refine religious dogma. Islam, however...
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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:37pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: Nope not necessarily, many things can inform disbelief. Example: You; I have a diamond pig me: I don't believe you. I do not necessarily need to know whether you do or not, i just do not see evidence that suggests you do therefore i express doubt over your claim. So disbelief doesn't equate knowability just an expression of doubt |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 1:37pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Like hopefulland said the defination of atheism is very board. Science doesnt concern itself with if a God exist or not. The defination of atheism most atheist agree on is "Lack of belief in a deity" which means it has noting to do with a belief system. most atheist would not agree with that defination you gave because that also puts them in the same basket as a theist which is why i use that lack of proof so that you would understand the point of Atheism. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by ivolt: 1:38pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: An atheist may defend his/her position logically but that is not a requirement for atheism. Atheism is just a lack of belief in god/gods. There are no pre-conditions to be an atheist, other than the one stated above. I don't believe in a ghost even though I do not know if one exists, is my position illogical? "Know" in this instance means real knowledge and not some feel-good mantra. Imagine I make this claim: There is an invisible being made up of quantum energy in blackhole Xecat whose gaze control the setting and rising of the sun. If you believe me is your position logical? If you don't believe me, are you illogical? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:38pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor: Thus the concept of Agnostic atheism or agnostic theism |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 1:40pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:Lolol. When I say "supernatural," I talk about unseen forces which constantly influence the physical world, and not some myths like unicorns. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 1:40pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: this is a bit off topic but yes they can, Etymological Fallacy is a genetic fallacy that holds that the present-day meaning of a word or phrase should necessarily be similar to its historical meaning there are various examples of words today that meant something slightly different originally and some that actually contradicts its original meaning The word hound originally simply meant "dog" in general. This usage is now archaic or poetic only, and hound now almost exclusively refers to dogs bred for hunting in particular. The meaning of a word may change to connote higher status, as when knight , originally "servant" like German Knecht , came to mean "military knight" and subsequently "someone of high rank". Conversely, the word knave originally meant "boy" (as the equivalent German Knabe ) and only gradually acquired its meaning of "person of low, despicable character". The word "Awful" originally meant "Awe-inspring" and "Full of awe" but now means something bad The word "Moody" originally meant "Courageous" but now means something totally different The word "Bully" actually originated from Dutch word "Boele" which actually means "Lover" The word lady derives from Old English hlæf-dige ("loaf-digger; kneader of bread" ), and lord from hlafweard ("loaf-ward; ensurer, provider of bread" ). No connection with bread is retained in the current meaning of either word. not really etymologically different but slight differences in the definitions actually makes a lot of difference if one pays attention to it |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:43pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor: I used the unicorn to paint a relatable analogy. A unicorn is a natural concept not a supernatural one. I use that example to show a simple thing. Nature exists but that doesn't mean a unicorn (which is a natural being) does. Same way someone can say, supernatural plain exists but that doesn't mean God (supernatural being) does.. Do not be in a haste to reply, first try to understand the argument |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 1:43pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Yes, but there is no evidence to prove this thats why i said at this point agnotism comes into play but again there are some atheist that dont God simple doesnt exist and they stand with that idea 100% It seems you aint understanding my explanations |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by danvon(m): 1:44pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Let's see the end of stupid arguments like 'Atheist developed the world' 'Isaac Newton was an Atheist' 'Science opposes religion' |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Fegelfire: 1:45pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
God is a human psychological concept. A part of some of our species' need to put a name and a face behind major events in history, sometimes to focus our emotions or directives onto, despite there no such face or name to begin with. After a destructive earthquake in the bronze age, a village murders the local hermit woman because "someone must've done it". After a long, thunderous, life-threatening storm in the Mediterranean, Greek sailors lay the blame of offending the Gods upon a crewmate because "someone must've done it". People go to the mosque and head-bop the carpets in front of them, acknowledging "Allah" as the creator of everything, because "someone must've done it." Atheism all begins when man begins to ponder thus: "maybe it didn't have to be someone who did it..." 2 Likes |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:45pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:The analogy is more like Me: I have a diamond You: Show me I go in and show you something that looks like a Squirrel not even a pig talk more diamond. You: You don't have a diamond pig and there is no Diamond pig. Now, this is the fact of Atheism. He's not disputing the theistic beliefs like the right and left wing American politicians do(without what he thinks is facts). He is disputing it because the fact presented is not good enough to him. If Atheism is the lack of belief in God(It surely means it is not a belief) and thus something. What is it? For me, I think it is the knowledge of the absence of God. How is this not so? 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:45pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
danvon: Appeal to authority. Newton wasn't an atheist though |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:46pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:Very good. So if atheism is not a belief what is it? Is it a fact? An opinion and is it a logical one? Is it an emotion? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 1:46pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:Well, they aren't theist, neither are they atheist. They are simply agnostic s. Theists are certain God exists. Atheists are certain God doesn't exist. But agnostics say neither of them can say for sure. 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 1:47pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor:No |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by sirfee(m): 1:48pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:What is Christian atheism? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:48pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
ivolt:I'm not against the logic or illogicality of atheism. I am against using the words 'agnostic atheism'. It makes no logical sense. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 1:48pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:It is a position xame as Theism I would personal say it is logical and my reason would still be base on that "Proof" xame as testing something to see if it works b4 you buy it isnt that logical? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:48pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor: After all this discussion, this where we land again? Ok |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:49pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Then let's leave the stories and proceed. Is Atheism a belief? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 1:50pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: atheism is lack of it, I'm using the broad definition |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 1:50pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22: If there are atheists who believe in the supernatural do they also deny the existence of a supernatural plain? I still would want you to list out those supernatural things an atheist can believe in while disbelieving the existence of God who is also of the supernatural. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by sonofthunder: 1:50pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:its like you don't understand my position here... religious people are having a discussion as regards their religion and/or God and you think atheists should have a say... maybe why your brothers keep spamming threads with trash always. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 1:51pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:Okay, let's break it down. Do atheists believe in spirits ( a supernatural being)? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:52pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:Frankly speaking, it makes no sense. I mean, once atheism holds the possibility of a deity's existence it ceases to be atheism. You cannot know there's no God and still believe in any possibility. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:53pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:Theism is a BELIEF in God or God's. A Belief. What is Atheism? A BELIEF too? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:54pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Lack of it? Is a Statement of fact then, a Logical Position, an emotional position, a scientific position? What exactly is atheism? I don't mean the definition here and I believe you understand me. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: I couldn't have said it any better myself. I also believe that if an atheist claims GOD DOES NOT EXIST this statement must have been made from a position of knowledge or better yet COUNTER KNOWLEDGE to the existence of God. So an atheist who claims that God does not exist should be able to defend this position by providing this acquired counter knowledge as proof that God does not exist. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Fegelfire: 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
I have yet to see a single person of an ascribed faith give a reasonable argument for why they believe the things they do. Muslims especially. Christians and Muslims love to hang on to "Infalsifiable" claims to protect their tattered pieces of faith, yet the actual reasons THEY give for why THEY believe are always weak and fallacious. "The inhabitants of the earth are of two sorts: those with brains, but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains." - Abul Ala Al-Ma'arri. 2 Likes |
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