Geofavor:

Okay, let's break it down.

Do atheists believe in spirits ( a supernatural being)?

Sapiosexuality:
Theism is a BELIEF in God or God's. A Belief. What is Atheism? A BELIEF too?

butterflyl1on:


I couldn't have said it any better myself. I also believe that if an atheist claims GOD DOES NOT EXIST this statement must have been made from a position of knowledge or better yet COUNTER KNOWLEDGE to the existence of God. So an atheist who claims that God does not exist should be able to defend this position by providing this acquired counter knowledge as proof that God does not exist.

sonofthunder:

its like you don't understand my position here... religious people are having a discussion as regards their religion and/or God and you think atheists should have a say... maybe why your brothers keep spamming threads with trash always.

johnydon22:


This a matter of personal conviction not theism or atheism.

Someone can be atheist and believe in supernatural things. It has nothing do to do with atheism.

Atheism stops at disbelief in God, what ever you believe after that doesn't make you more or less atheistic.

Most atheists do not believe in spirits or supernatural things but there are atheists who do.

What your personal convictions are do not redefine that you can be called an atheist once you lack belief on the existence of God(s)

johnydon22:


Opposite of theism.. Just add "Dis" to "belief" on that definition and you get your answer

Sapiosexuality:
Frankly speaking, it makes no sense. I mean, once atheism holds the possibility of a deity's existence it ceases to be atheism. You cannot know there's no God and still believe in any possibility.

Fegelfire:
I have yet to see a single person of an ascribed faith give a reasonable argument for why they believe the things they do. Muslims especially. Christians and Muslims love to hang on to "Infalsifiable" claims to protect their tattered pieces of faith, yet the actual reasons THEY give for why THEY believe are always weak and fallacious.

"The inhabitants of the earth are of two sorts: those with brains, but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains." - Abul Ala Al-Ma'arri.

Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshi't and you know it. How was this opposite of atheism arrived at since it is not a belief? Logic? Emotions? A Fact? A Claim? What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF?

Geofavor:
What/who is God?

"Atheism stops at disbelief in God".... Kindly replace GOD with its definition in this quoted clause of yours.

Deicide:
Lol nawa o i have explained na i can't keep repeting myself.

johnydon22:


Add "Dis" to "belief" on your definition of theism.

Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshi't and you know it. How was this opposite of atheism arrived at since it is not a belief? Logic? Emotions? A Fact? A Claim? What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF?

johnydon22:


This a matter of personal conviction not theism or atheism.

Someone can be atheist and believe in supernatural things. It has nothing do to do with atheism.

Atheism stops at disbelief in God, what ever you believe after that doesn't make you more or less atheistic.

Most atheists do not believe in spirits or supernatural things but there are atheists who do.

What your personal convictions are do not redefine that you can be called an atheist once you lack belief on the existence of God(s)

Sapiosexuality:
Lol. I understand. You are smart. You've seen the point. If that's your way of being honest, I see you.

Sapiosexuality:
Lol. I understand. You are smart. You've seen the point. If that's your way of being honest, I see you.

Sapiosexuality:
Theism is a BELIEF in God or God's. A Belief. What is Atheism? A BELIEF too?

hopefulLandlord:


BTW I find it funny how Christians suddenly get pedantic when it comes to trying to force atheism into religion but would shy from the same by saying "Christianity is not a religion" so pray tell, how does any of those definitions you googled don't apply to Christianity

butterflyl1on:


I am yet to see a single atheist prove that God does not exist since they make bold to declare it why do they not also make bold to prove it?

butterflyl1on:
Yet they seek for proof from others for Gods existence which they already denied outright without providing their own proof for their denial and profound position.

butterflyl1on:
Like someone has been saying here, atheism is beyond a disbelief. It's being triggered by other factors such as emotions, etc.

butterflyl1on:
What indeed is atheism?

CandidSeeker:


I responded to the OP with established definitions that you can verify.

You're here alleging pedantry, all because your ego will not allow you to accept that you are also religious.

Becareful not to generalize. I'm not one of those who says Christianity is not a religion, the bolded part of my post which you quoted says 'we are all religious.

-Peace.

Deicide:
Its a position o

Atheism is like:
Person A: There is a pool at the back of my house
Person B: Ok lets go see
(We go to the back of the house and there is no pool at least non that i can see)
Person B: I dont see any pool
Person A: But the pool is right here
(person A quickly calls others to confirm if they can see any pool)
Others: We dont see any pool here
(then this stupid thing happens)
Person A: Ok proof to me that a pool is not at the back of my house?

I hope you get the drift?

johnydon22:


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Fegelfire:




Was that even English?

Anyways, the burden of proof is upon you. And you artfully avoided the question laden in my statement. It seems that you really can't defend your own beliefs.









This is some off the richter scale mental gymnastics sh!t.

It's logical to seek for evidence and proof of something before you believe that it exists. Are you daft? What is the reason for a belief in a magical superbeing being the creator of everything? Why does the universe necessitate such a being? Where is the evidence for this being? Where does this being exist? If not in our dimension, where? How would a primitive human come to this conclusion and know about this being? Why would a primitive, informationally noviced human being who's only understanding of the world would be the immediate experiences he or she had within the confines of his/her camp or village, and the tales of his/her elders, be able to come to the conclusion of the answer of such a scientifically intensive and important question - that the origins of the universe are from a magical sentient superbeing? Just think about it.



You are completely projecting here. I have seen your previous post history and you clearly avoid strong criticisms of your belief in god and instead opt for wordplay and mental gymnastics to defend the god you worship that isn't real.



Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. It's as simple as that.

johnydon22:
I have been on this board for years and one must be forced to admit that all the arguments we go through here have seen numerous recycling. It is not so surprising because the argument of whether God(s) exist or not will always remain an Inconclusive one

But there are also some arguments here that are nothing but just silly. Some absurd arguments unworthy of attention due to the gross misrepresentation or just naivety of the arguer on the subject.

Here are a list of arguments i think should not cross over to 2018.

Atheism is a religion

As ridiculous as this sounds, it still somehow manages to crop up every now and then. Atheism is just as much religion as theism and theism is not a religion but a position.

I will try to simplify this to the most fundamental build-up so that whoever brings it up again, we all will agree is an id-iot.

Theism - Belief that God exists: This is not a religion, it is just a label for exercising belief in God or Gods

Atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God: Just like theism this is still not a religion but rather a label to quantify the position of unbelief in deities.

However. Religions can be formed based on Theistic and atheistic principles.

For example: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism are religions based on the fundamental principles or assumption that God exists,
Broad atheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism lack this principle, either in denial of Gods or a clear indifference to the subject.

Imagine Theism or atheism as beer crates.

In the theistic crate you find A bottle of christianity, Islam, hinduism, ATL and many others. Removes these bottles, the crate will still be there.

Same goes for atheism.

So to say Atheism is a religion is just an imbecilic as saying a crate of beer is a bottle.





Without God, where do atheists get their morality from?

This argument is used often and mostly from a naive standpoint. One must first of all understand the average atheist's stance on morality. Morality is a societal construct, a society makes and sets it's own rules and laws, stipulates it's own morals and this is hinged on a basic definition.

"Anything that decreases human suffering and directly or indirectly affects general societal well being, justice, equality, freedom and continuation"

This definition is socially hinged.

On the other hand, a sin is a religious construct and this are actions that goes against God's will.

A sin therefore is not necessarily societally wrong.

Atheists do not really bother what your religion regards a sin or not, No. Atheists are humans in a human society therefore are guided by human laws and ethics as stipulated by the society.

And also react to certain actions out of empathy, compassion and love and these are human emotions.



Who created the universe?

First, this argument invokes the logical fallacy of begging the question. By using the "term" who, you have already determined that your answer must be a "who" therefore whatever answer that falls out of this predetermined expectation scope is invalid and wrong.

Rather the correct question is "How did the universe came to be?" with this your answer can either be a "who" or a "what"

Again, this argument also is a projection of argument from ignorance, if you do not know how the universe came to be therefore God.

Being an atheist doesn't give you a first row seat during creation, factually we all can only speculate and assume or trying to scientifically connect the dots of creation through scientifically observed facts.

So we may disagree on our world view on how we think it all started but do not assume up or impose a position on the atheist argument until heard.


more to follow.... You may also add yours.

Ezumakingsley:
If the athaist din't get there morales from God but plungs into some action out of human sympathy...how did they get that human sympathy or conscience.

Deicide:
Why would i want to follow a person to see an "invisible pool" be like ur brain day pain you.

Deicide:
Didnt you see the part the op said morality is a social construct?

Deicide:
Its a position o

Atheism is like:
Person A: There is a pool at the back of my house
Person B: Ok lets go see
(We go to the back of the house and there is no pool at least non that i can see)
Person B: I dont see any pool
Person A: But the pool is right here
(person A quickly calls others to confirm if they can see any pool)
Others: We dont see any pool here
(then this stupid thing happens)
Person A: Ok proof to me that a pool is not at the back of my house?
I hope you get the drift?

butterflyl1on:


[s]Aren't you also avoiding strong criticism of your atheism here?

If you say something does not exist this means you have somehow FOUND OUT that such does not exist (that is knowledge).

Show me this knowledge you acquire that proves the non existence of that thing. In other words prove to me that such does not exist.

Does it still confuse you? [/s]

Fegelfire:


It's not an irrational viewpoint actually, Mr. "Mujahid 777".

There is literally nothing that presupposes that the universe needed a "cause" to exist - indeed, current theories in debate amongst well established cosmological scientists with PhDs (not Imams with a Quran lodged in their skulls) include the possibility that there IS no end and beginning to space-time, and that the creation of our current universe came from the collapse of a previous universe (Google: Big Bounce). There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it was the work of a sentient creator being and absolutely and it's pretty much impossible for hypothetical creator being to be the god of the Quran from a rudimentary glance at anthropology and human history.

You are trying to apply hand-eye coordination hands-on rationality to the beginning of the fucking universe, and then postulate that a magic superbeing exists to compliment your preconceived theistic conclusions. That in itself is inherently irrational.

Fegelfire:
God is a human psychological concept. A part of some of our species' need to put a name and a face behind major events in history, sometimes to focus our emotions or directives onto, despite there no such face or name to begin with.

After a destructive earthquake in the bronze age, a village murders the local hermit woman because "someone must've done it".

After a long, thunderous, life-threatening storm in the Mediterranean, Greek sailors lay the blame of offending the Gods upon a crewmate because "someone must've done it".

People go to the mosque and head-bop the carpets in front of them, acknowledging "Allah" as the creator of everything, because "someone must've done it."

Atheism all begins when man begins to ponder thus: "maybe it didn't have to be someone who did it..."