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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor: This a matter of personal conviction not theism or atheism. Someone can be atheist and believe in supernatural things. It has nothing do to do with atheism. Atheism stops at disbelief in God, what ever you believe after that doesn't make you more or less atheistic. Most atheists do not believe in spirits or supernatural things but there are atheists who do. What your personal convictions are do not redefine that you can be called an atheist once you lack belief on the existence of God(s) |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:56pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: Opposite of theism.. Just add "Dis" to "belief" on that definition and you get your answer |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:57pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Exactly. Since it is not a believe what then is it and what logic process what taken to arrive at it? Simply saying is not a BELIEF answers nothing. 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 1:58pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
sonofthunder: Yes. because like i said before, both God and religions are matters of public concern as we feel the effects of these two subjects none withstanding our position or opinion on them. Therefore you are allowed to comment and have a say on them |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 1:58pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:What/who is God? "Atheism stops at disbelief in God".... Kindly replace GOD with its definition in this quoted clause of yours. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:59pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:That's bullshi't and you know it. How was this opposite of atheism arrived at since it is not a belief? Logic? Emotions? A Fact? A Claim? What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF? 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 2:00pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Lol nawa o i have explained na i can't keep repeting myself. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:00pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Fegelfire: I am yet to see a single atheist prove that God does not exist since they make bold to declare it why do they not also make bold to prove it? Yet they seek for proof from others for Gods existence which they already denied outright without providing their own proof for their denial and profound position. Like someone has been saying here, atheism is beyond a disbelief. It's being triggered by other factors such as emotions, etc. What indeed is atheism? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 2:02pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: Add "Dis" to "belief" on your definition of theism. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 2:02pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Geofavor: www.Google.com.ng |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 2:03pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide:That's because your explanation wasn't good enough. Is Atheism a Belief? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 2:05pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:Lol. I understand. You are smart. You've seen the point. If that's your way of being honest, I see you. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:07pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: Truth! I keep telling atheists here that any so called disbelief in one thing automatically means there is a belief in something else. For example I disbelieve the existence of God means I BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Something gave you another set of beliefs which you now term as a disbelief in the topic of focus but you refuse to acknowledge your new found belief in such a deceptively hypocritical manner. It's simply semantics. There is never vacuum in nature. Something always replaces another. One set of beliefs always replaces another but when we focus on what we just stopped believing in, we call it a disbelief toward that thing but atheists suddenly go silent whenever you ask them what they REPLACED this belief with. 3 Likes |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:09pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22: I am still waiting for your list of supernatural things an atheist can believe in and yet disbelieve in God who is also of the supernatural. 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 2:09pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: #Sighs |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:10pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: You and me both. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 2:12pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Its a position o Atheism is like: Person A: There is a pool at the back of my house Person B: Ok let's go and see (We go to the back of the house and there is no pool at least non that I can see) Person B: I don't see any pool Person A: But the pool is right here (person A quickly calls others to confirm if they can see any pool) Others: We don't see any pool here (then this stupid thing happens) Person A: Ok proof to me that a pool is not at the back of my house? I hope you get the drift? 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by CandidSeeker(m): 2:14pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: I responded to the OP with established definitions that you can verify. You're here alleging pedantry, all because your ego will not allow you to accept that you are also religious. Becareful not to generalize. I'm not one of those who says Christianity is not a religion, the bolded part of my post which you quoted says 'we are all religious. -Peace. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Fegelfire: 2:16pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Was that even English? Anyways, the burden of proof is upon you. And you artfully avoided the question laden in my statement. It seems that you really can't defend your own beliefs. butterflyl1on: This is some off the richter scale mental gymnastics sh!t. It's logical to seek for evidence and proof of something before you believe that it exists. Are you daft? What is the reason for a belief in a magical superbeing being the creator of everything? Why does the universe necessitate such a being? Where is the evidence for this being? Where does this being exist? If not in our dimension, where? How would a primitive human come to this conclusion and know about this being? Why would a primitive, informationally noviced human being who's only understanding of the world would be the immediate experiences he or she had within the confines of his/her camp or village, and the tales of his/her elders, be able to come to the conclusion of the answer of such a scientifically intensive and important question - that the origins of the universe are from a magical sentient superbeing? Just think about it. butterflyl1on: You are completely projecting here. I have seen your previous post history and you clearly avoid strong criticisms of your belief in god and instead opt for wordplay and mental gymnastics to defend the god you worship that isn't real. butterflyl1on: Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. It's as simple as that. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 2:21pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
CandidSeeker: pipe down, there's no ego at play haha, I just didn't see that part of your post and now I see it BTW most of the "established definitions" you gave are highly shortsighted as I've explained 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:24pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide: Why would person A claim to have a physical pool at the back of his house if it wasn't there to start with? Physical things require a physical assessment. Trying to talk about spiritual things by using physical examples such as this is plain ridiculous. So let me rephrase. Person A: There is an invisible pool at the back of my house Person B: Let's go see (he asks this despite knowing that the word INVISIBLE was used) We go to the back of the house and of course no pool can be seen by person B Person B: (still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE) says I cannot see any pool. Person A: (who is equipped to see the invisible pool) but I can see it, how come you cannot? Person B: (ignores the question and also the use of the word INVISIBLE and calls others to come and see if they can see what he cannot) Others: we also cannot see the pool (this they claim by following person B who ignored telling them that the pool is invisible and also they need to have special equipment before they can see it). Person B: walks away and calls person A Delusional (while still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE and observing the special equipment being used by person A) 2 Likes |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Geofavor(m): 2:27pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
johnydon22:Lmao . okay. Take a look at the definitions I got in the screenshot below when I used the link you provided. I'm particular about the second definition. Now, you said "atheism stops at disbelief in God." Replacing God with that definition, this becomes " Atheism stops at disbelief in a superhuman being or spirit." So, what kind of atheist doesn't believe in a God but believes in a spirit? From that definition, any spirit can also be regarded as a God. I think Buddhist should consider themselves theists and not atheists. Atheism, IMO, is total disbelief in the supernatural. If your conviction is not this strong, then you're either agnostic or theistic.
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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:27pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Fegelfire: Aren't you also avoiding strong criticism of your atheism here? If you say something does not exist this means you have somehow FOUND OUT that such does not exist (that is knowledge). Show me this knowledge you acquire that proves the non existence of that thing. In other words prove to me that such does not exist. Does it still confuse you? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Ezumakingsley(m): 2:28pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
If the athaist din't get there morales from God but plungs into some action out of human sympathy...how did they get that human sympathy or conscience. johnydon22: |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 2:31pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Why would i want to follow a person to see an "invisible pool" be like ur brain day pain you. 3 Likes |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Nobody: 2:32pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Deicide: 2:35pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Ezumakingsley:Didnt you see the part the op said morality is a social construct? |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by butterflyl1on: 2:41pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide: Read my post again. That is typical atheism and a typical atheist for you. If the parameters do not suite their perception then all other parameters are null and void. Besides there are people who believe they can somehow see an invisible thing. You tell them "I have an invisible ball" and their first comment would be LET ME SEE IT. it shows how dumb the one asking truly is That's atheism for you. 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Ezumakingsley(m): 2:41pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
You mean,you not being in sambisa forest fighting nigeria is as a result of social construct...give me practical examples Deicide: |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by DeRay98(m): 2:46pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
All these arguments by atheists na pure intellectual calystenics. People who consider themselves intellectuals then to see everything in life purely from intellectual angle. If you disagree they see you as intellectually deficient and intellectually lazy. They pride themselves as superior beings without admitting it, the love to argue about everything and speak grammar. The unfortunate thing is thT by the reality done on them we won't see them to ask what happened. Una do oh. |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Daeylar(f): 2:50pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Deicide: Lmao 1 Like |
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Fegelfire: 2:52pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: And we're back to the cherrypicking and the wordplay again. You really aren't actually defending your belief in god against my criticisms as much as you are attacking the phraseology I employ. It's misleading and toxic. There is no reason to believe a god exists in the same way that there is no reason that a magical green-suited sh!tfairy that is borne from the crap you flush down the toilet (and into this forum) exists. There is no reason to presume that a God exists within the realm of peer-reviewed science and history, a collection of disciplines that can describe in accurate, intense mathematical detail the formation of an entire solar system over hundreds of millions of years, something that ancient humans who strongly believed in gods could not even conceptualise. What is even more damning, is that there is also massive evidence, both direct and circumstantial, within the disciplines of evolutionary biology, hypothetical xenobiology, biology, psychology, behavioural psychology, cosmology, classical and quantum physics, archaeology, theology, sociology, astronomy/cosmology, simple history, and pretty much every other natural science you can shake a finger at, spanning the history of the universe and the forces waves and particles that make it up, the evolution of life on earth and the first hominids (humanoids - ancestors/relatives of humans), the primate-origin human psyche and it's interaction with the environment, the development of human civilisations, the creation, spread and decline of various religions, to conclude that there is absolutely NO possible scenario where a magical superbeing exists, be it as direct as the god of the Quran or Bible or even an unknown, unnamed "sentience" behind the Big Bang. Just look at how you have avoided my previous posts on this thread, like these: Fegelfire: Fegelfire: ...and have proceeded to jump through a series of endless mental hoops surrounding the "definitions" of words and phrases and "proving your disbelief in god", despite refusing respond to these assertations, or refusing to weigh your OWN belief of a magical superbeing against the evidence. 4 Likes |
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