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Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 3:27pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik: No. It doesn't. And I ask; If she didn't, does it affect your living? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 3:29pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
AkunnaTochi: DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN? DOES IT AFFECT ONE'S SALVATION? Its disgusting how these catholic apologists think. In order to justify their SEXIST doctrines, they had to FIRST of all accord Mary a Divine status. Isn't it an Irony that the catholic church revers a mortal WOMAN (Mary) this much; they realize how powerful God can be by using Women to achieve his most noble intentions for mankind. YET they denigrate WOMEN and confine them as second fiddle to men. So much that women cannot be ordained. So, God can use Mary; but no other woman. SMH |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 3:32pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
AkunnaTochi: Accept it; Mary WAS a Human Being. Born of a sexual intercourse between her mum and Dad. Mary bore Jesus. Joseph married Mary. Mary performed ALL the duties of a Jewish woman. Joseph performed ALL the duties of a Jewish Man. including having legal sex with his wife Mary bore other children to Joseph. Jesus is the Messiah. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 3:36pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Very soon they will tell us that even Mary herself was not born naturally via sex between her mum and dad. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Syncan(m): 3:46pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
AkunnaTochi: Pay no heed to them, they are protestants. They will rather, rant than be open to truth. "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut". Ezekiel.44:2 God has a way of doing things, God's children always recognize His handwork, Mary had no other children apart from Jesus. There is no where in the whole of scripture, where any other biological child of Mary was mentioned, yet the bible is filled with places where she was called the Mother of Jesus, here they are calling "Jesus brethren" children of Mary, and making fool of themselves. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Investnow2017: 3:50pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik: Will they accept this simple summary you have highlighted here! I am sincerely perplexed. I was in one religion through my family, immediately I discovered that it was not my informed choice, I FLED. Why wasting time justifying the unjustifiable? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Investnow2017: 3:52pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Syncan: Ok granted that she remained a virgin. But does that warrant worshipping her? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Syncan(m): 4:03pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Investnow2017: You see @ Investnow2017, I respect people and their beliefs, when I discuss religion, I discuss with a mind ready to acknowledge a superior argument. I don't just accuse people falsely or deride their beliefs with the wave of a hand; as I do not take anyone to be stupid at a glance. I am willing to discuss my faith at any time especially for the sake of those who seek knowledge. I don't argue because I love arguing. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Investnow2017: 4:08pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Syncan: I am indeed sorry I seem to irk you by my questions. But sincerely, do not doubt my amazement. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Syncan(m): 4:11pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik: Accept it; Mary WAS a Human Being..............Agreed. Born of a sexual intercourse between her mum and Dad......Agreed Mary bore Jesus......................Agreed Joseph married Mary...............Agreed. Mary performed ALL the duties of a Jewish woman......As demanded by her husband Joseph performed ALL the duties of a Jewish Man. including having legal sex with his wife ...That's what the Jews thought before Jesus was born, were they right? Mary bore other children to Joseph.....Absolutely False, baseless. Jesus is the Messiah.....Praise God. 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Syncan(m): 4:17pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Investnow2017: You don't irk me by your questions, rather I am careful not to deal with a scorner/mocker because scripture says: "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate you: rebuke a wise man, and he will love you". Prov.9:8 I myself was once amazed that the earth moves, but doesn't it? 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 5:28pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
[quote author=felixomor post=63640639] Error 1: Fallacy of assumption that the Son of Alpheus called James had no namesake called James in all of Israel during Jesus time.Your claim is here is that there is a possibility that they are simply namesakes, but that possibility does not eliminate the possibility that it just one person being discussed and not two persons with the same name. Yes. And they even introduced his mother and sisters as well.This does not matter. Read below. This is where your assumption comes to Light This is where you miss it. Luke 6:16 ( KJV) I quote below. Luke 6:16: And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. Judas and Jude mean the same thing, some versions of the bible used the name Jude to differentiate from Judas Iscariot. In Jude 1:1, St Jude introduces himself as “Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James”. So in Luke 6:16 and Jude 1:1 correspond with respect to James the less( son of Alpheus) being the brother of Jude or Judas (not the traitor). [color=#770077]Sorry, this James Alpheus is not the same James the brother of JesusWell at a time his brothers did not believe but Acts 1:14 mentioned that the brothers of Jesus also devoted themselves to prayers. So when did this conversion happen? Can you show me where the bible said the conversion was after Jesus death? We know they believed in him before before Peter sermon of Acts 1:15 Righly so. I have already addressed this above , Jude and Judas are actually the same name. You may do a little research to confirm. Another assumption you made hereNice quote but how did you miss that Mary wife of Cleopas( Cleopas is the Greek version of Alpheus) is mentioned to be a sister of Mary in John 19:25 and by necessary extension has children ( James the less and Joseph as stated in Mk 15:40) are Jesus brothers. My brother, look at the number of corresponding things Mary of Cleophas is the Mother of James the less, and Joseph, she is also a sister of Mary Mother of Jesus Gal 1:19 talks about James the Apostle being the brother of Jesus Jude1:1 and Luke 6:16 Say James the less and Jude or Judas are brothers Mt 13:55(KJV); listed the brothers of Jesus as James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 5:52pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
[quote author=LaaJiblik post=63654983] DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN? DOES IT AFFECT ONE'S SALVATION? Its disgusting how these catholic apologists think.Catholics teach that Mary is human, a creature. So speak for yourself Isn't it an Irony that the catholic church revers a mortal WOMAN (Mary) this much; they realize how powerful God can be by using Women to achieve his most noble intentions for mankind. YET they denigrate WOMEN and confine them as second fiddle to men. So much that women cannot be ordained.So if Mary is so important in the Catholic Church without being ordained a priest, it favours the argument that women do not have to ordained priest to impact the world or the Church. And we have many women in the Church history that influenced the Catholic Church. So, God can use Mary; but no other woman.False conclusion 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 5:56pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
What BIBLICAL or scientific or Jewish PROOF do you have if you INSIST that Joseph became celibate (or maybe suffered Erectile Dysfunction) as soon as Mary got to his house? Is there ANYWHERE in the Bible where is specifically mentioned that: “And Joseph NEVER had sex with Mary All the days of their lives” Is there anywhere the bible mentioned that? Is there anywhere the Bible mentioned that Mary REMAINED a Virgin AFTER the Birth of the Christ? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 5:56pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
[quote author=MosesAlex post=63658979][/quote] What BIBLICAL or scientific or Jewish PROOF do you have if you INSIST that Joseph became celibate (or maybe suffered Erectile Dysfunction) as soon as Mary got to his house? Is there ANYWHERE in the Bible where is specifically mentioned that: “And Joseph NEVER had sex with Mary All the days of their lives” Is there anywhere the bible mentioned that? Is there anywhere the Bible mentioned that Mary REMAINED a Virgin AFTER the Birth of the Christ? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 6:02pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Syncan: But what is the EXACT Biblical source that specifically said Mary REMAINED a Virgin all through her life? What is the origin of this fallacy? I can’t find anywhere in the Bible where Mary was said to have remained a Virgin ALL through her life. Or maybe you have another source? Maybe you have a book? “The AutoBiography of Mary, Mother of Jesus and Wife of Joseph” Maybe that’s the source material? Apart from the Bible and the Quar’an; is there any other source material which x-rays the life of Mary? Maybe if we read that material, we will see where it expressly states that Joseph immediately became celibate, and Mary remained a Virgin all through her life. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by unchangeable: 6:06pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Oma307:prove your claim. Mention them. Pal |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 6:43pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
unchangeable: LETS ASSUME (WHILE NOT CONCEDING) THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN. ARE YOU SAYING JOSEPH BECAME A EUNUCH AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS? OR MAYBE JOSEPH AND MARY DID NOT REMAIN MARRIED THEREAFTER? OR MAYBE, JOSEPH BECAME IMPOTENT? OR PERHAPS MARY'S WOMB BECAME CLOSED, SO THAT ALL THE SUBSEQUENT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN HER AND HER HUSBAND JOSEPH DID NOT LEAD TO FERTILIZATION? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 6:44pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
unchangeable: HAVE YOU PROVED THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 6:57pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Syncan: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 6:59pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex: Its quite straight forward. The names of the disciples from Matthew and Luke resolves everything. Judas Lebbaeus the son of Thaddeus is not the son of Joseph He is not a brother of Jesus as you believe. Its quite easy. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 7:09pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Its quite straight forward. The names of the disciples from Matthew and Luke resolves everything. Judas Lebbaeus the son of Thaddeus is not the son of Joseph He is not a brother of Jesus as you believe. Its quite easy. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 7:10pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
felixomor: WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN AFTER JESUS? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 7:30pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:Pls read my comments properly from beginning of the thread. I believe Mary And Joseph had other Children. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 7:30pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
felixomor:Brother here means a relative. There are examples in the bible where relations are called brothers. In Genesis 12:5, it says that Lot was Abraham's nephew, it also says it in Genesis 14:12. But in Genesis 14:14, it says that Lot is Abraham's brother. "And when Abram hear that his brother was taken captive....". It also says in Genesis 14:16 that Lot was his brother... So when you say James is Jesus brother you are right but when you say from same parents that's not correct |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 7:34pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex:Genesis was written in Hebrew Matthew and other gospels were written in Greek Also, Jesus brothers didnt believe in him when he was on earth. Its clearly written Pls read more about Judas Lebbaeus here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle Its even very clearon wikipedia. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 7:39pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:LaaJiblik you can make you points with out been harsh or insulting anybody Mt 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 7:43pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
felixomor: @Felixomor Wikipedia is not quoted by academics. Why? Its because anybody can edit what you have in Wikipedia |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 7:46pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex: I only used Wikipedia as backup after i had already showed u everything. Besides, the references used by wikipedia are well sited Compared to what u put up |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 7:57pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex:If you must know this the basis the whole discussion. Both Mary and Joseph planned to be eunuchs (Virgins) for the sake of the Kingdom but God had other plans for them. Hence they were able to be eunuchs for the Kingdom and at same be foster father and Mother to Him who created them. John 21:25 (makes us understand that not everything is recorded in the bible) Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. In Luke1 :29 note the bible did not say Mary was scared of the Angel but that She was troubled by what he said. Now why would someone betrothed to a man be scared when told that she would bare a Son. It should be natural for someone about to wed that the Son would come from the wedding, but she had already vowed to be a Virgin for life hence the Angel had to explain to her that the power of the Most High would do it |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 8:34pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
AkunnaTochi:THATS WHAT AM ASKING TOO. ITS HARD FOR A COUPLE TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH NO COUPULATION |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 8:48pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
AkunnaTochi:WHAT PURPOSE DOES PERPETUAL VIRGINITY SERVE? THE APOSTLES CREED IS THE SUMMARY OF ALL THE ARTICLES OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. PLS NOTE THAT VIRGIN BIRTH IS CAPTURED IN THE CREED BUT THE PERPTTAL VIRGINITY IS NOT COVERED IT SERVES NO NEED. WHY WOULD MARY STILL NEED TO HOLD ON TO VIRGINITY THAT WONT BE IN FUTURE NEED. WILL SHE NEED IT TO HAVE ANOTHER JESUS? DOES IT MAKE YOU A BETTER CHRISTIAN? AND LET ME MAKE THIS KNOWN TO YOU THE VIRGIN BIRTH DID NOT SAVE ANYONE BUT HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS DID |
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