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Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 8:57pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Syncan:TRUE SHE HAD JESUS WITHOUT ANY MAN BUT AFTERWARDS SHE HAD CONJUGAL BLISS WITH JOSEPH 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 8:59pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Emyogalanya:Here is your answer. Some people chose to be Virgins for the sake of the Kingdom Mt 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. So you may as well ask Jesus what is the use of remaining perpetually a Virgin |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 9:17pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Your reaction shows u really ignorant of biblical exegesis. Your mind is so carnal that it can grasp spiritual things...no wonder there is so much confusion in pentecostalism resulting in splinter group emerging daily and erroneously claiming scholarship of the holy scripture. You think the humanity of Christ was separated from his divinity? I won't blame you because 3months of ur so-called Bible studies without the advantage Church history is really a set back in scriptural analysis to pentecostals. In christ Jesus, there are two natures- the nature of God as Son begotten of the Father from all eternity and nature of Man, born of the Virgin Mary at appointed time. However in christ Jesus, there is One Person- the second person of the blessed trinity. Just as humans have a spirit which is the person so Christ have a divine person. The Church fathers called the union of the two natures of Christ in on Person as the HYPOSTATIC UNION. So what was conceived in the womb of the blessed virgin was God the son who became man while still remaining God. That is why Mary is called God-bearer. In Greek the THEOTOKOS. MARY didn't give birth to a human Jesus distinct from the Person of Christ rather she conceived in her the second person of the blessed Trinity hence the Church Father at the council of Ephesus in 431 rightly called her Mother of God...and Jesus her son as God is not ashamed to call her mother. Pentecostalism should go and have a thorough scholarship in sacred scripture and stop misinterpreting same to the destruction of souls. Investnow2017: 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 9:40pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
First error, Matthew gospel wasn't written in Greek, it was written in Aramaic for the Jewish audience. That why it employed the 'Adelphos' which has a broader meaning from blood brother's to cousins. and felixomor: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 9:50pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: I AM STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO POINT ME SPECIFICALLY TO A BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS: 1. MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN AFTER THE BIRTH OF THE CHRIST 2. THAT JOSEPH NEVER HAD SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST. JUST SHOW ME EITHER A BIBLE VERSE WHICH EXPLICITLY SAYS SO. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 9:52pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: Wrong Sir. Also Judas Lebbeaus the son of Thaddeus, is no where near The lineage of Jesus. They were not brothers. Besides the brothers and sisters of Jesus were always referred to as half siblings because Jesus Christ was Conceived of the Holy Ghost. The others were conceived of Joseph. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 9:54pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
ACCORDING TO SOME WARPED ARGUMENTS I AM SEEING HERE, IF MARY HAD OTHER CHILDREN THE BIBLE MUST SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THEM, AND MENTION THEM BY NAME, AND MENTION THEIR MOTHER'S NAME. SOME EVEN SAY IF SHE HAD OTHER CHILDREN, THEN THE BIBLE WOULDNT ONLY BE REFERRING TO HER AS MARY MOTHER OF JESUS, BUT WILL ALSO CALL THE OTHER SIBLINGS NAMES. SO BECAUSE WE ALL CALLED OBASANJO "BABA IYABO" THAT MEANS OBASANJO ONLY HAS/HAD 1 DAUGHTER. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 9:56pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
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Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 10:00pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Am not disputing the fact that Mary had no children, my take is Matthew gospel was written in Aramaic before translated to Greek... felixomor: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 10:01pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: So you AGREE that Mary and Joseph had OTHER Biological Children besides Jesus yeah? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by MosesAlex: 10:02pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:Lame! I thought you have been the person also calling for explicit quotes. It your turn ,provide them or remain silent |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 10:08pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex:DID YOU EVEN READ WHERE YOU QUOTE? ITS ABOUT THE RICH YOUNG MAN WHO JESUS ASK TO SELL HIS PROPERTY. NOW TO THE EUNUCHS YOU WROTE. ANSWER THIS QUESTION HOW CAN ONE BE A EUNUCH AND STILL BE ENTERING INTO MARRIAGE. EUNUCH IS DIFFERENT FROM CELIBACY. IT SEEMS YOU HAVE DECIDED TO MAKE A GODESS OUT OF MARY. G HONOUR MARY BUT IT SEEMS YOU WORSHIP HER. AND LET ME TELL YOU WITHOUT THE DEATH OF JESUS MARY WONT BE SAVED TOO. AVE MARIA. ORA PRO NOBIS 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 10:11pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:Mary was their mother. As clearly written in The gospels. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 10:12pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex: YOU HAVENT SHOWN ANY BIBLICAL SOURCE(S) Have you? |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 10:14pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Oga it really shows that you are really UNteachable. Who told u that the Bible is sole guide of the Church? Did St Paul not say that oral tradition and sacred scripture constitute deposit of the faith? 2 Thes. 2:15 . Besides did the Bible not also tell you that a lot of things Jesus did and happened in life of our saviour that were not documented? If you care to know Christ did not leave behind a Bible reading Church nor asked his disciples to write down his life story...necessity led to writing of new testament. Rather Christ founded a teaching Church and St Paul would affirm this when he said the Church founded by Christ is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. 1 Tim.3:15. So before you ask such infantile question again, remember the Church predates the Bible...the Bible came out of the Church after 300 years of the Church existence. Pentecostalism is indeed a heresy which is causing confusion all over the globe. LaaJiblik: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Investnow2017: 10:15pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
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Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 10:21pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
felixomor: That is the Part these my friends are trying to debunk. They come up with the HYPOTHESIS that; 1. Mary remained a VIRGIN Throughout her life. Ask them to explain their sources, they said its because it is un-imagineable that the womb that was habituated by the Christ could be "shared" by other children. 2. T[b]hat Joseph NEVER consummated the marriage to Mary[/b] Ask them where they got that one from, they said Because if Joseph did, the bible MUST have mentioned it SPECIFICALLY, possibly describe the date and time of the coitus. 3. That even when the BIBLE SPECIFICALLY mentioned OTHER people to have SPECIFICALLY said they knew the Carpenter, his wife, and the BROTHERS and SISTERS of the Carpenter's son, they Siblings being referred to were Jesus' COUSINS etc. Ask them where they got that one from, they will claim that the names mentioned as Brothers and sisters were others. AS IF TWO PEOPLE CANNOT BEAR THE SAME NAME AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME. They want to project Mary very high, and hence feel insecure to admit that she was a normal woman, whom God decided to choose and use to fulfil his purpose. 2 Likes |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 10:22pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
How can I agree to a lie? Mary remains a virgin during and after christ birth. If u are living in an age that is sexually crazy and can't be disciplined, don't ever project ur 21 century weakness to others esp first century holy people. Throughout the rich history of the Catholic Church, couples though married, have renounced their right to conjugal pleasure even to raise children, in order to serve God devotedly. The Catholic Church, the Church Fathers as heir to the apostles and sacred scripture as well as oral tradition have all defined, taught and defended the perpetual virginity of Mary, still a neophyte like u in scriptural exegesis is arguing otherwise. LaaJiblik: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 10:24pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
MosesAlex:DID MARY AND JOSEPH TAKE A VOW OF CELIBACY OR WERE THEY IN ANYWAY EUNUCHS WHILE CELIBATE PEOPLE DON'T GET MARRIED THEY LIVE LIKE HERMITS. AWAY FROM PEOPLE LIKE JEHOSAPHAT. EUNUCHS LIVE IN THE PALACE SERVING QUEENS. AND BECAUSE THE KINGS OFTEN DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIER WIFES THEY SERVE THE QUEEN AS BODY GUARDS AND AVOID LAYING WITH THEM. THE MEN MUST BE EUNUCHS 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Investnow2017: 10:25pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: Luke referred to Elizabeth as COUSIN Luke 1:36. He did not say SISTER. Luke wrote the Acts of the Appstles and he said that Jesus' BROTHERS (not nephew or cousin) were with Mary in Jerusalem, Acts 1:14. So at least Luke clarifies where the context demands. Dont you agree? 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 10:29pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
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Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 10:29pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx:THAT SAME PAUL ASK THE COUPLE NOT TO DENY EACH OTHER EXCEPT FOR PRAYERS WHICH IS A SHORT TIME. WE ARE TALKING OF 12 YEARS 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by felixomor: 10:33pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:True my brother. They are trying to rewrite the Bible by all means. Saying funny things like "brother and sister" means something else. It won't work. 1 Like |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 10:34pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: GOOD. NOW YOU ACCEPT THAT THE SOURCE OF THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY IS NOT THE BIBLE YES? GOOD!!!! Time to point me to the SOURCE(S) where the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF JOSEPH AND MARY WAS WRITTEN, TO SAY THEY NEVER CONSUMMATED THEIR MARRIAGE AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS. |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 10:50pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Oga read with broader mind. If you don't have spiritual strength for it...don't deny each other. If God can make Mary pregnant causing her to be the new ark of the covenant that housed his Son Christ as the new covenant, don't you think He can also grant Mary and Joseph the grace to remain chaste and continent even in marriage? I maintain don't project ur weak sexual issh to others. Joseph as a holy jew knew what it is to touch the ark of covenant of old when u not a consecrated priest, how much more the new Eve who fittingly is the new ark of the covenant cos she housed the new covenant in her pure and virginal womb. I know new generational and man made churches can't fathom this revealed truth cos they are solar scriptura apologists...persisting in HERESIES. Emyogalanya: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 10:55pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
[quote author=LaaJiblik post=63666736][/quote]I have repeatedly posted sources upon sources here but you people already have a be clouded reasoning. You accept t canonicity of the Bible, the Sunday worship, Easter celebration fro the Catholic Church yet you refused to even believe same Bible telling u that deposit of faith are from twofold - oral tradition an sacred scripture. 2 Thes. 2:15 |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by LaaJiblik: 11:00pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx: Oga: Use superior argument and logic. stop the My-church-is-better-than-yours thing. The challenge is to state the source of this Perpetual Virginity thing. Simple! |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 11:11pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
LaaJiblik:Biblical Evidence for the Perpetual Virginity of Mary - Crisis Magazine www.crisismagazine.com/.../biblical- ... 8 Feb 2011 ... For most of Christian history, Mary's perpetual virginity was a commonplace belief, even well into the Protestant Reformation. But in our hyper- sexualized ... Catholics United for the Faith | Mary's Perpetual Virginity | Teaching the ... www.cuf.org/.../marys-perpetual-virginit... Discussion: In examining Mary's Perpetual Virginity, or any Church teaching, the most fundamental questions is: “How do we know this is true?” We do not gain such ... A Protestant Defense of Mary's Perpetual Virginity - Aleteia https://aleteia.org/.../a-protestant-defense-... 10 Oct 2013 ... If you deny the perpetual virginity of Mary, you'll have a hard time finding support in the tradition - even among Protestants. The Catholic ... |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 11:11pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx:EACH TIME YOU MENTION THE 21ST CENTURY SEXUALITY I LAUGH MAYBE YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN HOW SODOM AND GOMMORAH BELONG TO 21 CENTURY. DID YOU READ WHERE PAUL SAID TO HIS CONTEMPORARIES THAT ELIJAH WAS A MAN OF SAME PASSION. EVEN THOUGH THEY LIVED MANY CENTURIES APART |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 11:19pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Explain to me what Mary meant by "how can this happen since I know not a man" even though she was betrothed and wasn't at all ignorant of biological conception. Only one plausible explanation : she ask in Amazement since she already took a life long vow of virginity for sake of Kingdom of God. Get detail in extra biblical writing, the Protoevangelium of James which gave us a wider knowledge of Mary's family including names of her parents. The Holy Bible did not deal in detail about her person since it wasn't a matter of dispute among early Christians. But there are ample sources to help us know her better because she is co-redemptrix just as Christ is our redeemer. Emyogalanya: |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by Emyogalanya: 11:20pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
cyrilamx:MAYBE YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN HOW ANGELS WHO TOOK DAUGHTERS OF MEN BELONG TO SEXY 21 CENTURY. HOPE UR FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY OF SUZANNA AND THE JUDGES IN APOCRYPHA BOOKS. HOW ABOUT DAVID AND ABIGAIL, SOLOMON AND HIS 1000 WIFES HEROD AND HIS BROTHERS WIFE. ONE THING COMMON IS SEXUALITY AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN NEAR 21 CENTURY |
Re: Birth Of Jesus: Did Mary Have Other Children Aside From Jesus Christ? by cyrilamx(m): 11:30pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
Plz m pentecostal brother's go and have at least 4 years indepth study of sacred scripture in a renowned theological seminary/university so you begin to appreciate scriptural exegesis. It is not true Angels from heaven mated with humans. Plz and even the first eleven chapters of Genesis hav been proven to be mere myth. However regarding the Nephlims, we will discuss someday. The issue is not that there was not sexual misdemeanours rather there was people who were celibate like the Essene which John the Baptist is believed to associate with. Mary and Joseph lived a continent life. The early Church had ample evidence. Emyogalanya: |
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