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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:03am On Dec 28, 2017
patrickmuf:
Please tell me what is a lie? That Martial wasn't a first team player?
Someone opined (he wasn't sure) Martial only played the playoffs and I only informed him that Martial was part of the team that reached the Quarter finals losing to Juventus, also pointing out that he was highly rated and that was why we accepted the inclusion of all those Balon d'or clauses in his contract...Please disprove the points highlighted and stop being overly aggressive...

I am not being overly aggressive. It's just sad that you want to make a case for Martial over Mbappe when the evidence points to the fact Martial was infact an unknown buy to Many United fans as well as the English press. In fact, Martial was so unknown and underrated a song was made for him.. Incase you need the lyrics.Here it is

Tony Martial came from France,

English press said he had no chance,

50 million down the drain,

As Tony martial scores again!

Na Na Na…

You can argue this if you want but Martial was money spent on an unknown signing. That you even use him playing first team in a squad that got to the quaters of the UCL says all about how you rate players. As for the Balon d'or clause, no dispute the club valued his talent enough to include that but would you compare his value and popularity in france to what Mpabbe was? Why people questioned Martial's talent, no one questioned Mbappe because it was clear to see this was a true, consistent talent. Why do i even think all those clauses were Monaco's way of stripping us of every cash they could get knowing we were more money than sense under LVG

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by diggz: 11:03am On Dec 28, 2017
LoRdCaT:
Define world class and you have your answer.


Very funny..... cheesy cheesy someone who cannot dictate the game or command his midfield....is that one a world-class player? Maybe in old trashford he is world-class ....but not even in Manchester is he a world-class or the league...or in Europe or in the world!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:06am On Dec 28, 2017
eph12:

But what we have been pointing out is exactly in that article or I no read am well ni? We win the ball too deep and we're even slow allowing the opponents to regroup. We should be trying to win the ball back in the opposition half so our attack can be swift like what happened against Arsenal. The present team is capable of doing this abeg, na just effect of training.

Everybody has different styles of player. Mourinho must not tow the same line as pep. For your info he is more successful. Fergie said according to Dwight Yorke that mourinho sholud not change his style of play because it has served him. If Fergie can endorse his style who are we to say otherwise. We are just sounding as if, Pep has won 5 EPLs in 5 consecutive years. After Arsenal went unbeaten in 2004 they never won again till now. Mind you I am only replying you because you do make sense with your points.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:07am On Dec 28, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Blame City and Pep, Man U fans believed the 2nd season Mou magic and got their hopes too up.

If Mou was unbeaten and leading in the league, doubt they would complain.

Nobody is blaming City and Pep because they are achieving.. its because people make it look like Pep just came and city became an instant hit. Dude had to buy and it's paying off so why is Mourinho asking to buy to get to his target now a crime?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 11:07am On Dec 28, 2017
CapitalCee:


Baba leave that thing. Mourinho is a useless fuc"k up manager, he packed the bus in our match with fuc*k...ing burnley. Our current crop of players are world class, give pep this our players and he will walk the league and win UCL. Mourinho is a coward. #MourinhoOut
Ah shocked the same manager that manage to win Man U's famous treble cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 11:09am On Dec 28, 2017
CapitalCee:


Baba leave that thing. Mourinho is a useless fuc"k up manager, he packed the bus in our match with fuc*k...ing burnley. Our current crop of players are world class, give pep this our players and he will walk the league and win UCL. Mourinho is a coward. #MourinhoOut

exactly,very useless manager,we should try to get pochettino who's an attacking player who would turn rashford to erikssen,would dramaticlly improve lukaku ball control to that of berbatov...after all he wasn't afraid to play against city...

or better still we buy arsene Wenger since he's perfect for managing funds and plays very entertaining football...or y don't we get klopp who his attack is so sharp that even when his team is leadin by 5 goals,there's still hope for a comeback...

mourinho must go..he's too defensive abeg..how can he not attack with Herrera blind darmian rashford et al
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:09am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


You still didn't answer me. I hate Mourinho's football philosophy with a passion. I prefer to force a reaction than wait for one. But my question is considering where we were and were we are now in European football, who is the prime replacement candidate for sacking Mourinho? I need names.

Ask the the #MourinhoOut brigades. I am very very ok with his style of football and the result he is getting. I only echoed their voice
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:11am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


Nobody is blaming City and Pep because they are achieving.. its because people make it look like Pep just came and city became an instant hit. Dude had to buy and it's paying off so why is Mourinho asking to buy to get to his target now a crime?

Am struggling to get your point o, so Mourinho did not have the chance to buy his type of players right? Something is definitely wrong in here, I don't get it! Someone spent over 300m buying and the excuse now is he didn't have chance to get his targets.

Wow!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:13am On Dec 28, 2017
patrickmuf:
Mou only complained about not getting Perisic and for me, that's not enough for us not to be close to City...Darmian, Blind, Herrera and all the other average players are still here because the manager wants them...When Pep released Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov and Zabaleta, he hadn't gotten their replacements (A big mistake) thus it affected the price clubs quoted for players they were after. Mou should work with Ed to release or sanction their sales if he thinks they aren't good enough...

Thank God you brought this up. How would Mourinho release players when he's been given a limited budget in an inflated market and he can only fix a few areas of the pitch with it. A manager cannot let go of players if he won't be getting replacements. Mourinho is probably showing this frustration because obviously Ed isn't working along his agenda. You can't sell out up to 6 players for small sums for that matter amd expect to get in 3 or 4 and challenge for a season. Look at City's bench. Good enough to walk into our first team. Is it Gundogan or Bernado Silva or Aguero at times that won't make this our avergage team?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:14am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


I am not being overly aggressive. It's just sad that you want to make a case for Martial over Mbappe when the evidence points to the fact Martial was infact an unknown buy to Many United fans as well as the English press. In fact, Martial was so unknown and underrated a song was made for him.. Incase you need the lyrics.Here it is

Tony Martial came from France,

English press said he had no chance,

50 million down the drain,

As Tony martial scores again!

Na Na Na…

You can argue this if you want but Martial was money spent on an unknown signing. That you even use him playing first team in a squad that got to the quaters of the UCL says all about how you rate players. As for the Balon d'or clause, no dispute the club valued his talent enough to include that but would you compare his value and popularity in france to what Mpabbe was? Why people questioned Martial's talent, no one questioned Mbappe because it was clear to see this was a true, consistent talent. Why do i even think all those clauses were Monaco's way of stripping us of every cash they could get knowing we were more money than sense under LVG
How on earth am I making a case for Martial against Mbappe, I only responded to a poster who claimed Martial was unknown and pointed out that he was a Key player for a relatively underrated Monaco team that knocked out Arsenal and went toe-to-toe with Juventus only narrowly losing out in the quarters...Compare that team to that of Mbappe and you'll agree they over achieved by reaching the UCL q/finals...If you didn't notice him, it doesn't mean he was unknown...No way is a club of Man Utd caliber going to spend 50m+ for an unknown...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:15am On Dec 28, 2017
Funny thing is both managers have spent almost the same amount on players. Can we now say that the other was smart with his acquisitions or what?

This is crazy mehn!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:20am On Dec 28, 2017
nitrogen:


Am struggling to get your point o, so Mourinho did not have the chance to buy his type of players right? Something is definitely wrong in here, I don't get it! Someone spent over 300m buying and the excuse now is he didn't have chance to get his targets.

Wow!

I am not making excuses for him.. He's bought a lot and should deliver and in all honesty 2 trophies first year, 2nd in December this year, through to next round in UCL is delivering but we could do more. I am saying we have overspent on dross from moyes down. Miki in Mourinho's current squad is showing to be one. Lukaku is heading that way. Bailly now is becoming a crock. Maybe just maybe this were not the number 1 names on Mourinho's list. That Lukaku transfer somehow tells me so. It was too sudden. We might have gotten the number 1 names for the same or a little above the price of these if our transfer panel was up to scratch.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 11:20am On Dec 28, 2017
patrickmuf:
Lol then he failed cos he was definitely highly rated...And talking about Mbappe, for all his brilliance, the current state of the market was a major determinant in the price PSG ended up paying, a price many big teams frowned at...
A pointer? Lemar was priced at about 90m when he isn't as good as Martial.
I laugh in french, Lemar isn't as good as Martial according to you yet he has more hope of making NT first team than Martial.

Well done sir
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:22am On Dec 28, 2017
dubylhover:


exactly,very useless manager,we should try to get pochettino who's an attacking player who would turn rashford to erikssen,would dramaticlly improve lukaku ball control to that of berbatov...after all he wasn't afraid to play against city...

or better still we buy arsene Wenger since he's perfect for managing funds and plays very entertaining football...or y don't we get klopp who his attack is so sharp that even when his team is leadin by 5 goals,there's still hope for a comeback...

mourinho must go..he's too defensive abeg..how can he not attack with Herrera blind darmian rashford et al

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:24am On Dec 28, 2017
dubylhover:


exactly,very useless manager,we should try to get pochettino who's an attacking player who would turn rashford to erikssen,would dramaticlly improve lukaku ball control to that of berbatov...after all he wasn't afraid to play against city...

or better still we buy arsene Wenger since he's perfect for managing funds and plays very entertaining football...or y don't we get klopp who his attack is so sharp that even when his team is leadin by 5 goals,there's still hope for a comeback...

mourinho must go..he's too defensive abeg..how can he not attack with Herrera blind darmian rashford et al

You are right. Sack him, we need Klopp, he is fearless, he was leading arsenal 2-0 and went all attacking and after the game, he was able to salvage an entertaining 3-3 draw and neutrals are happy, unlike the coward Jose who got a very boring 3-1 victory, although world class Damian nearly caused a penalty. He is a coward, why ask Spanish captain Mata and key midfielder Herrera, to mark an opposition player? England first choice Centre back smalling and Injury free Baily and Jones are better than Ramos, Otamendi and Varane.
Look at poch he attacked City endlesslessly and lost 4-1 and everybody is entertained, he was the main contender 2 seasons ago who finished 3rd in a 2 horse race and put pressure on Chelsea last season. Get him quickly

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:24am On Dec 28, 2017
grin


Gladly keeping to my Words...... no Complaint till 11:59pm - 31/12/17

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Neymar1095(m): 11:26am On Dec 28, 2017
Man u sack Mourinho let him jejely come to PSG ha beg. Neymar has never worked with a world class manager since he came to Europe.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:26am On Dec 28, 2017
elampiro:
Why are we not always in for the best players? Mbappe, Neymar, etc?

People shouting Mourinho spent 300m, do you realize Guardiola has spent more and that Guardiola would gadly request City for 350m if Messi becomes available today?

yes he has spent more,but by how much? By roughly 60M. You forgot while Pep was buying low key players at bargain price, Mou was busy breaking transfer records all over the place. Pep will get five lowkey but quality players with the money Mou spent buying Pogba and Lukaku alone.

It was cos u didn’t spend as much as City reason u lost to Chelsea, Huddersfield, City, drew at home to Burnley parked bus against Liverpool I could go on. Abeg stop whining.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 11:26am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:
you're not aware? mou is cursed oo..he's the problem of Manu
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 11:28am On Dec 28, 2017
Neymar1095:
Man u sack Mourinho let him jejely come to PSG ha beg. Neymar has never worked with a world class manager since he came to Europe.

but but he would turn neymar to a left wingback na
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:29am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


Thank God you brought this up. How would Mourinho release players when he's been given a limited budget in an inflated market and he can only fix a few areas of the pitch with it. A manager cannot let go of players if he won't be getting replacements. Mourinho is probably showing this frustration because obviously Ed isn't working along his agenda. You can't sell out up to 6 players for small sums for that matter amd expect to get in 3 or 4 and challenge for a season. Look at City's bench. Good enough to walk into our first team. Is it Gundogan or Bernado Silva or Aguero at times that won't make this our avergage team?
I said you can argue for or against and I was not mincing words, now, let's see your combined City-United 11 and the players you have on the bench, please oblige me...
Back to the crux of the matter, who said our funds for transfers were pegged at 150m or how are we operating on a limited budget...A coach that splashes 75m plus add-ons on one player doesn't sound like one operating on a limited budget, for limited budget, check Pochettino at Spurs...And it's well documented that Mou said he wanted 3-4 players and on several occasions he admitted that he'd be very okay with Ed getting 3 of his targets and the 4th was gonna be the icing on the cake so where you're getting your lines hinged on limited budget is something we'd love to have here...We got 3 his targets and the 4th was outrageously overpriced for his age and talent. You can't be complaining that Monaco fleeced us for the amount quoted for Martial whose best years are ahead of him and on another hand criticizing the club for not paying over the odds for a 29/30yrs old winger whose is best operating from the left where you have Martial and other who can comfortably do a job there, Rashford, Young, Mkhitaryan, Lingard etc
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:31am On Dec 28, 2017
BlueAngel444:
I laugh in french, Lemar isn't as good as Martial according to you yet he has more hope of making NT first team than Martial.

Well done sir

I wanted to say this but It will be termed an excuse.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:33am On Dec 28, 2017
BlueAngel444:
I laugh in french, Lemar isn't as good as Martial according to you yet he has more hope of making NT first team than Martial.

Well done sir
Well, we've seen great players overtime not get a Look in as far as NT is concerned...Coaches preference comes to play. Remember France with Domenesch.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:34am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


I am not making excuses for him.. He's bought a lot and should deliver and in all honesty 2 trophies first year, 2nd in December this year, through to next round in UCL is delivering but we could do more. I am saying we have overspent on dross from moyes down. Miki in Mourinho's current squad is showing to be one. Lukaku is heading that way. Bailly now is becoming a crock. Maybe just maybe this were not the number 1 names on Mourinho's list. That Lukaku transfer somehow tells me so. It was too sudden. We might have gotten the number 1 names for the same or a little above the price of these if our transfer panel was up to scratch.

This is getting interesting o.

So, you think that the players he bought might not have been his number 1 targets.

Chief, trust me, those players bought by Mourinho are his type of players, jambody, strong, players. Funny thing is, they are very good players, man management and tactics are killing the team.

Am saying you should stop saying that he didn't get his targets, he may need more money, after all Pep is looking to spend more in January, but to say that he's spent less or he couldn't get his targets. Forget it, abeg.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:37am On Dec 28, 2017
Neymar1095:
Man u sack Mourinho let him jejely come to PSG ha beg. Neymar has never worked with a world class manager since he came to Europe.

He will turn neymar to a left wing back, Mbappe will player centre back and Cavani will man Mark opposition striker. This will be his formation vs Tolouse, Areola, Kurzawa, T.silva, Marquinos, Kimpembe, D.Alves. Maxwell, T.motta, Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani with neymar and Mbappe playing wing backs.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 11:40am On Dec 28, 2017
joeace2020:


Nobody is blaming City and Pep because they are achieving.. its because people make it look like Pep just came and city became an instant hit. Dude had to buy and it's paying off so why is Mourinho asking to buy to get to his target now a crime?
In their defence, Mou is making it sound like enough money wasn't spent by the club, (real money 300+m).

What exactly does he want to buy, Bale, Griezmann, Dybala, Hazard.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Neymar1095(m): 11:44am On Dec 28, 2017
dubylhover:


but but he would turn neymar to a left wingback na
He will turn Neymar to a demon Jor. Look at his Madrid team of 2011-2012. Counter attacking demons. scoring 121 goals in season a record I think in LA Liga.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Spy360(m): 11:44am On Dec 28, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Oasis007 is Spy360's intel correct cheesy

City in the current first team bought in Pep's time

Bravo - 15m, Sane - 47m, Walker -52m, Danilo - 25m, G. Jesus - 27m,
Gundagun - 30m, Stones - 47m, Eduardo - 35m, B. Silva - 43m

( Mendy - 51m not included is like a player bought but not playing yet Costa and co.)

total - 320m pounds

Man U

Baily - 30m, Mkhi - 30m, Pogba - 90m, Lukaku - 90m, Victor Lindelof - 33m, Matic - 40m

total - 310m Pounds

Both lists have 3 - 4 players with great recognition before their purchase
Most of the guys you mentioned were signed last season. Keep that aside, if you can read and comprehend, I said most of his new signings are actually sub's.

Still, my main point was that his tactical change in playing KDB and Silva in midfield was what brought about his recent success.

Tell Oasis007, he can save his stupidity for another time. I am quite busy now to start pointing it out.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:46am On Dec 28, 2017
BlueAngel444:
In their defence, Mou is making it sound like enough money wasn't spent by the club, (real money 300+m).

What exactly does he want to buy, Bale, Griezmann, Dybala, Hazard.

He wants to buy Bale that has lost it completely, buy Perisic that is above 27 years........The two wouldn't cost him less than 120m pounds.

After buying, the said players go ahead and underperform, then Bros would come back and say he has tired legs, he needs to buy fresh legs.

The guy is simply clueless!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:47am On Dec 28, 2017
patrickmuf:
I said you can argue for or against and I was not mincing words, now, let's see your combined City-United 11 and the players you have on the bench, please oblige me...
Back to the crux of the matter, who said our funds for transfers were pegged at 150m or how are we operating on a limited budget...A coach that splashes 75m plus add-ons on one player doesn't sound like one operating on a limited budget, for limited budget, check Pochettino at Spurs...And it's well documented that Mou said he wanted 3-4 players and on several occasions he admitted that he'd be very okay with Ed getting 3 of his targets and the 4th was gonna be the icing on the cake so where you're getting your lines hinged on limited budget is something we'd love to have here...We got 3 his targets and the 4th was outrageously overpriced for his age and talent. You can't be complaining that Monaco fleeced us for the amount quoted for Martial whose best years are ahead of him and on another hand criticizing the club for not paying over the odds for a 29/30yrs old winger whose is best operating from the left where you have Martial and other who can comfortably do a job there, Rashford, Young, Mkhitaryan, Lingard etc

Really? Martial, Rashford, Mikitaryan and Lingard can comfortably do a job on the left wing. Let's keep pushing players to parts of the pitch that aren't theirs and saying they can do a comfortable job there. On the transfer budget thing, i first saw it in a MEN article were paddy Crerand was quoted as saying Mourinho was given a £200 million budget for his 1st year and £150 for the remaining two years. I have checked our expenditures for 1st and 2nd season and it seems to follow. How else would we explain the reluctance to pay Perisic's fee while persisting with the player for so long as if there weren't other options out there?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Neymar1095(m): 11:47am On Dec 28, 2017
CapitalCee:


He will turn neymar to a left wing back, Mbappe will player centre back and Cavani will man Mark opposition striker. This will be his formation vs Tolouse, Areola, Kurzawa, T.silva, Marquinos, Kimpembe, D.Alves. Maxwell, T.motta, Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani with neymar and Mbappe playing wing backs.
I disagree. Mourinho will turn psg to beasts. Teams will be scared to attack them cus they know that front three will destroy them on the counter attack. That's the fear factor that man u lacks.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 11:50am On Dec 28, 2017
Neymar1095:

He will turn Neymar to a demon Jor. Look at his Madrid team of 2011-2012. Counter attacking demons. scoring 121 goals in season a record I think in LA Liga.

Mbappe will be turned to baba Rahman 2.0, he will pack the bus against St Etienne

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