safarigirl:
so you will take just one CF to Russia? And not even a potent one, how many goals does Ighalo have for Nigeria?

Kelechi had two assists and a goal in our last game. You will drop him, but you will take Ighalo that has on and off day?

Is this supposed to be a joke?

lol
A lot of teams play without a conventional striker these days. They play with false nine and two wingers.

Even when Spain won the world cup, they used only one conventional striker in David villa, others were just attacking mid fielders
with an eye for goal. I.e. silva, Fabregas, xavi, inesta etc. They didn't really really used toress

I think Germany did the same thing in Brazil they had a very old kloser, others were mainly attacking mid fielders. Muller and podoski are not that conventional.

Nacho scored in a friendly, let us not get ahead of ourselves. He scored one against Zambia in his first game and managed one against Cameroon when we were already winning

How many important goals did he manage to score in the world cup qualifiers ?

How good is his hold up play? is he effective in difficult games?

These are the reasons he is on the bench at lechister and was dropped from the first team at Manchester city.

greiboy:
lol
A lot of teams play without a conventional striker these days. They play with false nine and two wingers.

Even when Spain won the world cup, they had only one conventional striker in David villa, others were just attacking mid fielders
with an eye for goal. I.e. silva, fabregas, xavi, inesta etc

I think Germany did the same thing in Brazil they had a very old closer, others were mainly attacking mid fielders

Nacho scored in a friendly, let us not get ahead of ourselves

How many important goals did he manage to score in the world cup qualifiers ?

How good is his hold up play? is he effective in difficult games?

These are reasons he is on the bench at lechister and was dropped from the first team at Manchester city.

Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.


There are also reasons Mikel was on the bench against Chelsea, but he was playing well enough for us. Victor Moses was also a bench chopper when he was playing fine for us, hell Iheanacho was actively chopping bench when he scored a goal and gave two assists against Argentina, downplay it all you want, but if the team had lost, your mouth no for dey twist like this.


There is nothing worse than fickle fans, they love you today and crucify you tomorrow. It is a shameful behaviour

In the face of superior argument, he reverses to petty spellings talk. Hahahahahahahahaha.... okay Mister, have a taste of your own medicine, will ya?

It is "not" not "mot"

It is "done" not "dine"

Get the message and forget the spellings because we all know we got autocorrect on our gadgets. Now back to the main discussion.


The fact that is was done in 1994 actually gave us the Afcon thanks to Amuneke. Injured, was kinda match rusty too, but still came back in the final and won us the Nations cup saving our asses against Zambia. But that is minor.


The reason I brought up 1994 is simple. That is the reference for many of your likes when talking about the Super Eagles in all her glory so I have to point out to you that the team was also made of bench warmers yet they were the best and finest Africa ever saw till date. No African team in history have ever attained a rating higher than the '94 Eagles ever and that is a fact you cannot deny.

Now to why I feel your statement on Iheanacho is really laughable. It is very simple.....

This is also another tried and tested principle: You don't drop your most lethal striker and forward or a player who has scored more International goals than all your forwards in the last two years just because you feel he is rusty. If a player contributes immensely to team chemistry he should be taken in and used for the good of the team. One recent African Example is Fabrice Ondoa of Cameroun.

Kelechi was not getting games before the Cameroun game in Uyo... yet he came on and scored the fourth goal.


Kelechi was also being left out at Leicester before the Argemtina game, yet he came into that game and bossed things with 1 splendid goal( a goal that even you thought he cannot score- a super freekick) and Two assists.

Mehn... if there is any really lesson I have learnt in football, it is this: Class is indeed permanent. And for a player so young as Nacho, he surely has that class. Finito.

Team chemistry and balance is far more important than inviting for invitation sake.

SmartyPants:


Its tick not thick... Not that its relevant but its annoying.

The principles are tried and tested: Players who are not playing regularly will mot be match fit and should not be selected. Period. The fact that it was dine in 1994 seems to mean so much to you yet that team crashed out in the round of 16 so is that supposed to be a reference point of success??

Baffling!

[quote author=Reference post=64050443]When we said Nacho's move to Mancity was as grave as a posting to Afghanistan people kicked. Fast forward two years and see the beginning of the end of a once promising career. If he had gone to the continent and to the so called second tier countries such as Belgium, Holland or Portugal, chances are that he will be playing regularly in a league that suits his moderate pace and style and can build his technique to suit bigger and better leagues. The premiership is for mid age finished foreign imports who have a great resume and plenty of hot air behind them. By the time Kanu came to Arsenal he wad already a Champions league winner with Ajax. Same as Finidi before heading to Spain. But see Amuneke. Africa and straight to Barca and puff within a blink of an eye.[/[b][/b]quote]

Amuneke after playing with Zamalek of Egypt, first went to Sporting Lisbon in Portugal where he excelled before going to Barcelona FC.

safarigirl:
Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail
again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.

I have updated my post to include his two goals. only one of those goals meant something.

when he was expected to really perform against Southafrica in the nations cup qualifying match. He flopped big time

The coach could employee another tactics to accommodate new players. Perhaps more wingers or more mid fielders.


For the record;

We didn't disgrace our self in Brazil. In fact we equaled our best record in a world cup outing. Something we haven't managed to achieved in two previous outing, where we went out in the group stage. (2002 & 2010)

In addition, we were one of only two African teams to make it to the knock out stages. You know why we achieved this, late keshi took it upon himself to make sure only fit players played for the national team


The time we really disgraced our self is the 2010 world cup in Southafrica, where we failed to secure any points. we had a lot of bench warmers in that world cup squad.


I stand with rohr on this, kelechi needs playing time or sit on the bench.

Nacho is already being benched in the team. So being benched is not a problem. He is not going to be our top 9 at the mundial. It would be Ighalo. But one thing is certain: Nacho is going to the world cup and will do so as Ighalo's backup even though we all know he is more clinical than Ighalo.

And here's another twist. He will get good playing time at the world cup too because when we need goals, he is the one Rohr will turn to alongside Iwobi too. Iwobi may also start from the bench. That is how strong this young team is now. There is a chemistry and balance to the team. Rohr won't disrupt that for anything in the world.

Finally, Nacho has been the Super Eagles' top scorer for the last two calendar years. That means he is doing something right in the GWG.

XingXhang:


Speaking about form: ARE YOU SAYING IHEANACHO IS IN FORM? Leicester isn't featuring so obviously he's not in form unlike Iwobi and Ighalo who are having some playing time.

I'm not against the coach taking Kelechi to world cup; he should work on himself before then, Otherwise he won't like the way he would be benched.

Rossikk:


Are you talking about the same Super Eagles that just thrashed the 3 time world champions Argentina, 4:2?

Sometimes I wonder what I'm doing on Nairaland.

Samson Siasia beat them 4-0 in a friendly sometime ago, later we met at the world cup, i am sure we all know the result. many thanks to the individual brilliance of ahmed musa for giving us 2 goals

eezeribe:
You won't still win the world cup with Super Eagles;with or without the duo...

...common goan sit down wit ur bad belle jwo.

jayson87:
Samson Siasia beat them 4-0 in a friendly sometime ago, later we met at the world cup, i am sure we all know the result. many thanks to the individual brilliance of ahmed musa for giving us 2 goals

This was a neutral ground, Argentina had more members of their first team present.

Samson Siasia won them in 2011, that was three years before the World Cup. The coach in charge in Brazil was Keshi, not Siasia, it was not the same 2011 team that won them that was fielded in 2014, was it?

Totally different scenario and baseless comparison

Siasia beat them 4-1 in 2011 but we met them 3 years later in 2014 and lost 3-2. Is this the same as now? The players used in that 2011 friendly for Argentina only had a Zabaleta as a main player sef and maybe a Garay. Then three whole years passed before we met them again in 2014. So what kind of analogy are you even cooking up?


In this current case, our young team, without the likes of Victor Moses, Ighalo, Onazi, Moses Simon, Echiejile etc, beat mighty Argentina 4-2 and will play them again in five months' time.

Argentina had the likes of Kun Aguero, Mascherano, Otamendi, Dybala, Ever Benega, Enzo Perez, Christian Pavon, Giovanni lo Celso, Benedetto, etc all on parade. The only players missing were Higuain, Messi and Romero.

Now why shouldn't we take that match seriously? But had we lost now, Nigerians will also say,

"Forget the world cup man! Argentina killed us! Is that how we are gonna be disgraced at the mundial?! We couldn't even secure a draw"

But we won and una no go let pesin hear word... wetin una want sef? Haba.....

jayson87:
Samson Siasia beat them 4-0 in a friendly sometime ago, later we met at the world cup, i am sure we all know the result. many thanks to the individual brilliance of ahmed musa for giving us 2 goals

NFF need to give safarigirl a job as an intern in their PRO dept.

safarigirl:
drop them for who? The way Keshi dropped half his original team in 2014, only to make a spectacle of himself in Brazil abi?

You have not heard the saying "Never change a winning team"...we have seen how well these changes work

keshi got to the second round on hid first and only attempt

mywells:
In you wildest dream

we shall see

safarigirl:
being good for your club does not translate to being good for your country and vice versa. It is folly to assume that because this player is doing well for his club, it means he will do well for country.

We have tried these local players multiple times in the past and they turned out to be flash in the pan players. Do yoi remember how many of them Keshi took to Brazil in 2014 and what happened to them?

If it was last year, we could have tried them, but at this point, there is no space for trial and error. Kayode and Nwakaeme were doing great for their clubs, but cow to National team, how far? Neither of them have managed to seal a place after having multiple invites.

We have also had one hit wonders like Oduamadi and Ogbeche that flattered to deceive. They have one good game and you think we have capable replacements, only to take them to the World Cup and discover how shambolic they are.

I don't understand why Nigerians find it hard to learn from past experiences.

So people who lack game fitness and playing time deserves to be called up. Come to think what does Musa has to offer, his experience is overrated. Iheanacho has just been adding weight since Guardiola's first season at City, imagine someone like Yaya You're losing weight to gain back a starting XI at City last season. And you are here saying what I don't understand

safarigirl:
Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.


There are also reasons Mikel was on the bench against Chelsea, but he was playing well enough for us. Victor Moses was also a bench chopper when he was playing fine for us, hell Iheanacho was actively chopping bench when he scored a goal and gave two assists against Argentina, downplay it all you want, but if the team had lost, your mouth no for dey twist like this.


There is nothing worse than fickle fans, they love you today and crucify you tomorrow. It is a shameful behaviour

Nacho is a good striker no doubt,so because he has 8 goals in 14 international games guarantee him to always be in the team right ?i wonder how you analyse your own football

greiboy:
I have updated my post to include his two goals. only one of those goals meant something.

when he was expected to really perform against Southafrica in the nations cup qualifying match. He flopped big time

The coach could employee another tactics to accommodate new players. Perhaps more wingers or more mid fielders.


For the record;

We didn't disgrace our self in Brazil. In fact we equaled our best record in a world cup outing. Something we haven't managed to achieved in two previous outing, where we went out in the group stage. (2002 & 2010)

In addition, we were one of only two African teams to make it to the knock out stages. You know why we achieved this, late keshi took it upon himself to make sure only fit players played for the national team


The time we really disgraced our self is the 2010 world cup in Southafrica, where we failed to secure any points. we had a lot of bench warmers in that world cup squad.


I stand with rohr on this, kelechi needs playing time or sit on the bench.

In 2010 World Cup in South Africa we secured a point against South Korea which the game ended 2-2

andrew444:


In 2010 World Cup in South Africa we secured a point against South Korea which the game ended 2-2

oh sorry..I almost forgot, since it felt like a lose. it still doesn't change the fact that Nigeria was disgraced. Hope nacho don't turn out to be another yakubu ayebeni

safarigirl:
Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.


There are also reasons Mikel was on the bench against Chelsea, but he was playing well enough for us. Victor Moses was also a bench chopper when he was playing fine for us, hell Iheanacho was actively chopping bench when he scored a goal and gave two assists against Argentina, downplay it all you want, but if the team had lost, your mouth no for dey twist like this.


There is nothing worse than fickle fans, they love you today and crucify you tomorrow. It is a shameful behaviour

Your football analysis is inspiring. I can't believe a woman knows this much about football. I dare not debate football with you.

andrew444:


Nacho is a good striker no doubt,so because he has 8 goals in 14 international games guarantee him to always be in the team right ?i wonder how you analyse your own football

oh, so you would rather take a player that doesn't score for the team? Tell me how you plan to win games without goals, since if you have a team, you would dump your most lethal striker.

You will tell me if it is by dribbles that we should now pick players

safarigirl:
oh, so you would rather take a player that doesn't score for the team? Tell me how you plan to win games without goals, since if you have a team, you would dump your most lethal striker.

You will tell me if it is by dribbles that we should now pick players

Mind you I love nacho and I will take him to the world cup but Not a starter okay,to sub him on the game second half,ighalo is a good striker when he was not scoring for Nigeria he has a dip inform at Watford before he was sold to china and rediscover his form okay

tall2ce:

So people who lack game fitness and playing time deserves to be called up. Come to think what does Musa has to offer, his experience is overrated. Iheanacho has just been adding weight since Guardiola's first season at City, imagine someone like Yaya You're losing weight to gain back a starting XI at City last season. And you are here saying what I don't understand

which game fitness does he lack? How do you know what he lacks considering the last time you saw him, he had a goal and two assists. Where was the lack of fitness then?

You are dancing around nothing. I am talking about Nacho'a performance for Super Eagles and you are telling me about Man City, I don't care about Man City, I care about the Super Eagles and I cannot withdraw support for a player that is yet to disappoint me in the team I am interested in.

I am done with you people and this tiring roundabout arguments. What will be will be, who dey go Russia dey go whether anybody likes the player or not.

greiboy:
oh sorry..I almost forgot, since it felt like a lose. it still doesn't change the fact that Nigeria was disgraced. Hope nacho don't turn out to be another yakubu ayebeni

Lol,nacho won't start for super eagles,it's ighalo that will start as far as he his injury free

andrew444:


Mind you I love nacho and I will take him to the world cup but Not a starter okay,to sub him on the game second half,ighalo is a good striker when he was not scoring for Nigeria he has a dip inform at Watford before he was sold to china and rediscover his form okay

who the phuck said he was going as a starter? Sheesh! We are talking about who is going to Russia and you are talking about who is starting. It is not the same argument, so, why are you talking as if I said we should start him?

safarigirl:
who the phuck said he was going as a starter? Sheesh! We are talking about who is going to Russia and you are talking about who is starting. It is not the same argument, so, why are you talking as if I said we should start him?

The way you carry the matter for head na,you are just obsessed about nacho dats all

safarigirl:
oh, so you would rather take a player that doesn't score for the team? Tell me how you plan to win games without goals, since if you have a team, you would dump your most lethal striker.

You will tell me if it is by dribbles that we should now pick players

I saw your updated post and I really felt like it is necessary to respond.

Mikel was playing for a top club in Chelsea where he had to contest with some of the best players in the world. Yet, he still managed some games and he was a regular before that time.

Moses proved himself at Wigan before joining Chelsea. He struggled to make Chelsea squad because of the competition


Naco left Manchester city to get more playing time at lesser lechester city, but he is not even making the bench at times. Shouldn't that be a red flag?

Plus what is this noise about his performance against Argentina in a friendly match. Friendly match is different to competitive games.


What should we make of iwobi performance who scored the crucial goal that is taking us to the world cup then?

greiboy:
I saw your updated post and I really felt like it is necessary to respond.

Mikel was playing for a top club in Chelsea where he had to contest with some of the best players in the world. Yet, he still managed some games and he was a regular before that time.

Moses proved himself at Wigan before joining Chelsea. He struggled to make Chelsea squad because of the competition


Naco left Manchester city to get more playing time at lesser lechester city, but he is not even making the bench at times. Shouldn't that be a red flag?

Plus what is this noise about his performance against Argentina in a friendly match. Friendly match are different to competitive games.


What should we make of iwobi performance who scored the crucial goal that is taking us to the world cup then?

My broda help me tell her oo,she dey claim say she know too much,I doubt say she dey watch ball,na only super eagles match dat 1 dey watch

greiboy:
I saw your updated post and I really felt like it is necessary to respond.

Mikel was playing for a top club in Chelsea where he had to contest with some of the best players in the world. Yet, he still managed some games and he was a regular before that time.

Moses proved himself at Wigan before joining Chelsea. He struggled to make Chelsea squad because of the competition


Naco left Manchester city to get more playing time at lesser lechester city, but he is not even making the bench at times. Shouldn't that be a red flag?

Plus what is this noise about his performance against Argentina in a friendly match. Friendly match are different to competitive games.


What should we make of iwobi performance who scored the crucial goal that is taking us to the world cup then?

are you planning to drop Iwobi? If you have plans to drop Iwobi, we can discuss him. Else, I don't see how his name enters the World Cup....PS: Every goal took us to that World Cup, not just Iwobi's goal.

In case you have not checked, even after FIFA awarded 3 goals and 3 points to Algeria, we remained top of that group. Iwobi's goal gave us early qualification, but it did not take us to the World Cup.


Like I said, I am tired of this argument because it makes no difference anyway. As far as I am concerned, Kelechi has done enough for Nigeria, to merit a place in the World Cup. Not necessarily as a starter, but a team member.

andrew444:


My broda help me tell her oo,she dey claim say she know too much,I doubt say she dey watch ball,na only super eagles match dat 1 dey watch

you're the one who knows nothing if you think we should equate club football to National teams.

If I ask you to list twenty-three players for us, I bet you can't, but your white-washed brain will be singing EPL upandan like the usual inferior black men.

Nothing worse than people who think they should have opinions on teams they have no knowledge of

safarigirl:
Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.


There are also reasons Mikel was on the bench against Chelsea, but he was playing well enough for us. Victor Moses was also a bench chopper when he was playing fine for us, hell Iheanacho was actively chopping bench when he scored a goal and gave two assists against Argentina, downplay it all you want, but if the team had lost, your mouth no for dey twist like this.


There is nothing worse than fickle fans, they love you today and crucify you tomorrow. It is a shameful behaviour

Stop insulting people....
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion....
Unless u are the coach, the rest of us are armchair critics....
And the coach has the right to take whoever he feels will get the job done to Russia....
It's his neck that's on line not yours....
Iheanacho hasn't done enough to prove to anybody he's fit and ready for Russia.......
And i won't begrudge the coach if he drops him....
Since I learnt iheanacho's real age is 28, I've lost faith in the guy.....
He was at the peak of his footballing career in UAE shinning in a competition way beyond his status....
He's mediocre at best and has little to offer both clubs and nation....
And please don't compare iheanacho to the likes of victor Moses or Mikel obi....
Those guys overtime have shown what they are capable of, for both clubs n nation....
Iheanacho is yet to convince anybody, rather he's living on past glory....

Coaches taking unfit players to world cup knows it's a gamble and more often than not, it backfires...
That was how we took 'experienced' ike shoroumu to 2002 world cup, only for us to realise he lost so much fitness that he couldn't even kick a ball off the ground....
Spain did same with ike casillas in last world cup, only for my guy to be chopping grass and embarrassing himself in front a worldwide audience....

andrew444:


The way you carry the matter for head na,you are just obsessed about nacho dats all

you have run out of arguments and this is the best you can come up with.

I said Nacho should go to World Cup, you are saying he should not start as if I said he should start. Na you no even understand wetin you chook mouth for. You think this one is EPL matter?

SIRTee15:


Stop insulting people....
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion....
Unless u are the coach, the rest of us are armchair critics....
And the coach has the right to take whoever he feels will get the job done to Russia....
It's his neck that's on line not yours....
Iheanacho hasn't done enough to prove to anybody he's fit and ready for Russia.......
And i won't begrudge the coach if he drops him....
Since I learnt iheanacho's real age is 28 I've lost faith in the guy.....
He was at the peak of his footballing career in UAE shinning in a competition way beyond his status....
He's mediocre at best and has little to offer both clubs and nation....
And please don't compare iheanacho to the likes of victor Moses or Mikel obi....
Those guys overtime have shown what they are capable of, for both clubs n nation....
Iheanacho is yet to convince anybody, rather he's living on past glory....

Coaches taking unfit players to world cup knows it's a gamble and more often than not, it backfires...
That was how we took 'experienced' ike shoroumu to 2002 world cup, only for us to realise he lost so much fitness that he couldn't even kick a ball off the ground....
Spain did same with ike casillas in last world cup, only for my guy to be chopping grass and embarrassing himself in front a worldwide audience....

I do not engage people with such idiotic comments. You learnt from who? Rubbish!

safarigirl:
you're the one who knows nothing if you think we should equate club football to National teams.

If I ask you to list twenty-three players for us, I bet you can't, but your white-washed brain will be singing EPL upandan like the usual inferior black men.

Nothing worse than people who think they should have opinions on teams they have no knowledge of

Ezenwa
Uzoho
Akpeyi


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Balogun
Awaziem
Aina
Troost Ekong
Ebuehi
Brian Idowu

Onazi
Mikel
Ogu
Mikel Agu
Etebo
Joel Obi

Iheanacho
Iwobi
Moses
Orji okonkwo
Paul onuachu
Moses Simon
Ighalo