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Pierohandsome:
they were never regarded as wives in the first place. The one recognized as wife is the first one u Married, the other 2 u married after are not wives by scriptures so they are free to re-marry. It is the first wife that is regarded by God as a wife and she cannot re-marry

As long you don't back this up with quotation from the Bible, you just deceiving yourselves and human race with your Christianity.

Pierohandsome:
bro Abraham was not a christian, but a Jew. Christ is our example that is why we are christians. One wife and one husband, any other marriage aside one wife is not recognized by God as marriage but adultery.

Under the old covenant it was permitted but under the new tastament it is only one wife

Where in the Bible Jesus condemned marriages of Abraham? If Abraham is Jew, what are Solomon and Jacob ?

Pierohandsome:
i dnt knw why u are arguing. If u knw it u shouldn't have bothered asking. U asked for clarification and somebody is giving u answer and u are argueing in it again.

U are not getting the point. Dnt call them wives they are not wives. The only wife among the 3 is the 1st one, the other 2 are not recognized by God as wives but adulterous partners that is why it is a sin.

The bible is clear on this issue, under the new covenant it is only one wife that is allowed any additional one is adultery which u must return them to go marry their own husband properly because by scripture u are not their God's ordained husband.

He asked you to quote Bible to back your claim, simple.

Pierohandsome:
Yes, u cannot be marrying 2-3 wives and be sleeping with them and claim to be born again. U must return the last 2 u married and keep the first wife. That is whn u are really born again, not jst returning them, u must be responsible for their upkeep until they re-marry

where do you return the 2 wives, supermarket shelves?

somehow:
Only scriptural explanation on people with more than one wife is inability to hold any positions in the church, nothing else.

You mustn't dirvoce any of the wives as long as you married them legally.


Read your bible and stop the follow follow.

I have been following this topic, and I agree with all your points, except to mention that divorce is permitted under certain conditions...

Matt 5:32, 19:9

States one can divorce if adultery is involved.

Pierohandsome:
Mat 19:4-6

The above scripture gave us a clear picture abt hw many partners should be involve in marriage. The above scripture clearly stated that it is between a man and a woman ,not women. It said they two shall become one ,not they 3 or they 4 shall become one flesh. If the bible says 1 and u married 2 or 3, must u wait for the bible to tell u to return them b4 u believe it is not right?
Whn u miss ur way u have to retrace it and not continuing in it. As far as the scripture is concerned the other 2 are not recognized by God because the bible made us to uNderstand that it is only meant for a man and a woman ,so the other 2 are jst in adulterous relationship as far as God is concerned.

Biblical interpretation here is responsible for other innovated teachings in Christianity that make it confusing rather than convincing. Or Biblical God did not foresee Nigeria future of women more than men and allow the women to be used and dumped because of man one woman.

Pierohandsome:
we are drawing 2 lessons frm that one verse, we did not only learn abt God's position abt divorce, we also learn abt the makeup of a proper marriage. A proper marriage is the one between a man and a woman by joining the 2 of them to become 1 and not 3 to become 1 according to that verse so we dnt need anyother scripture on this subject, it is clear.

Unless u are looking for a scripture to soothe ur action which u cannot find any than this mathew 19:4-6.

What of Trinity teaching of 3 in 1?

asuustrike2009:

The same Matthew was talking of one wife one husband. If it wasn't important Jesus wouldn't have quoted Gen 1:27,Gen 2:24. The Bible is clear on that. Matthew 19:6 say the two shall be one it didn't say the four shall be one.

You failed to read or understand that passage within the context.

Jesus was asked a question about divorce and his reference to they becoming one is to emphasize that, divorce is not permitted; because if you only have ‘one’ you can not separate it.

Many Old Testament leaders had more one wife, the only place in the Bible where one. Wife is stated is through Paul and he gave that as a condition to becoming a Bishop, if all the born again Christians in Paul’s congregation had only one wife, this condition would have been unnecessary.

Plus, not once had Paul or Peter preached to their congregation about divorcing all their extra wives, unless you believe that, every single person that got born again then we’re already in compliance.

asuustrike2009:

The mind of God from creation is one man one wife.The Bible verse given is an illustration

What about today pastors that were from second wife of their father?

frosbel2:


You married them legally, they are your wives, in fact, if you are financially capable, you can marry another wife -

As far as you did not marry or steal another man's wife, you need not make any restitution.

Don't listen to those Pentecostal hypocrites who parrot these untruths while indulging in all sorts of sexual perversion including adultery.

This is the truth they will not listen to.

asuustrike2009:

Gen 2:22-24 God made man and woman not man and women
Prov 18:22 He that finds wife not wives
Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:6-9 in the beginning it was one man one wife not wives

Right from the beginning God has ordained marriage between a man and woman. So if a man marries more than one wife he is going against the scriptures.

As Solomon and Jacob?

Pierohandsome:
i dnt knw why u are arguing. If u knw it u shouldn't have bothered asking. U asked for clarification and somebody is giving u answer and u are argueing in it again.

U are not getting the point. Dnt call them wives they are not wives. The only wife among the 3 is the 1st one, the other 2 are not recognized by God as wives but adulterous partners that is why it is a sin.

The bible is clear on this issue, under the new covenant it is only one wife that is allowed any additional one is adultery which u must return them to go marry their own husband properly because by scripture u are not their God's ordained husband.

you are not making any sense...are u saying that the old testament is not accepted since you called it the old covenant, but it is in this old covenant that malachi 3 is...abeg hide ur face

Pierohandsome:
Yes, u cannot be marrying 2-3 wives and be sleeping with them and claim to be born again. U must return the last 2 u married and keep the first wife. That is whn u are really born again, not jst returning them, u must be responsible for their upkeep until they re-marry

doctrine of men causing confusion

lonikit:


its not everyting dat strted from the begining are stil in practice nw. we know hw it started at the beginning but some persons did otherwise and God never punished them for marrying more than one.

the question is not how it was at the beginning. it is how scriptural it is to divorce one of ur wives bcus u got born again.

You are not divorcing those other women but only sending them away cos they were never yours. Even if it's that you married them legally, in the eyes of God they are not recognized as your wife/wives. That is why your sending them away can never be regarded as divorce in the eyes of God. Divorce is only when you send the first woman you married away.

You've been going about this thread asking for scriptural backing but have ignored the ones given to you. You want them to show you where it is categorically stated that one should restitute the other wives. Ones you are cleared on the fact that a Christian is to be with only one wife, the moment you go against that is the moment you commit adultery which is a sin. Now, if you become born again, you have to do away with every sin. You can't continue being born again while you continue committing sin. Keeping those other women while born again is not genuine repentance but living in sin. You can't eat your cake and have it. You have to send those other wives away for God to see that you have genuinely repented. Now, remember I explained above that sending them away is not divorce in the eyes of God, a thing which He hates. Sending them away is pure obedience unto Him cos He never recognized them as your wife in the first place.

Kindly ignore all those urging you on. They will lead you to your doom.

vicoloni:


So Abraham is now a Jew when marriage is the subject but when it is tithing they tell us to do like Abraham. Confuscius ni gbogbo yin walahi

That is today's Christianity for those whose reasoning are manipulatable.

lonikit:


its not everyting dat strted from the begining are stil in practice nw. we know hw it started at the beginning but some persons did otherwise and God never punished them for marrying more than one.

the question is not how it was at the beginning. it is how scriptural it is to divorce one of ur wives bcus u got born again.

I appreciate your insistence on getting proper response. I can understand that you want follow the Bible as your standard. That is what it should be.

Now, consider the verse 9 of that Matthew 19 already quoted up there.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:4‭, ‬9 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.19.4-9.KJV

Emphasis on the red.
Here, Christ clearly stated that he who marries another, even after divorcing the first, commits ADULTERY. This implies that any relationship with a 2nd wife, apart from when the first is dead, is adultery. Come to think of it, if marrying another after divorcing the first is adultery, marrying another without divorcing the first is also adultery.
Yes! Someone got born again, but already has more than one wife, does it mean that continuing to have sexual relationship with the others is not adultery? It is. Yes, it is. When a man realizes his mistakes, repentance entails correcting then. But here, you may not be able to correct it absolutely. Still, you can not continue in adultery. You must stop all sexual relationships with all, except the first. At the same time, you must provide for the rest until they remarry, if they so wish. It is a price that has to be paid.

shumuel:


Really ? But Christ was not married and the Jew religion began after Moses because Jews are following Moses laws and ways only,, Oga stop saying what you do not know,, Father Abraham, Isaac, Esau, David, Solomon and many Men who God loves married more than one wife. Mtcheeew...! That is how you people would be shaming Christianity, so the other wives should go and die abi ? :-|

Another single will carry them for first wife, shikena.

bedspread:
There is no correlation with that..."If " thats man doing.... GOD'S Commandments and rulings come first ...
Read Matt 19:4-9.... that's GOD'S Standard

... of partiality as He allowed Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and will not allow us?

It is not scriptural. If you have more than one wife with children before repentance, there cannot be restitution. You will actually commit greater sin by towing the line of restitution.

Fawklicant:


Your whole presentation about "wedded in church" is annoying. Where was it commanded that for a marriage to be blessed by God that it has to be in the church? Even when Jesus attended a wedding ceremony where he did his first miracle of turning water to shaqs, there was no mention of him bleshing or praying for their marriage. The singular most important act in a marriage to attract God's approval and blessings is the payment of dowry . Every other thing is jara. Do not let the doctrines of men pervade your thinking.

Well said brother. Permit me to mention that the concept of marriage by God and Jesus about a man leaving his father and mother and joining with his wife and the two becoming one was a product of the law (Gen 2:24) and if christ Jesus came to fulfil the law, why are u people now defining marriage with family concept, it is still the union of a man and his wife (2 people) they are not asking u about his family, if after consent and approval of parents which is the way of the people of God from old, then u cannot tell a converted man to forfeit anyone of his wives because he married then and they are not his concubines, so u are invariably telling the man to commit sin of negligence, second of all who will marry a divorcee with Children with that concept of until they re-marry cos from what I see, this is just a formal way of telling him to keep them as concubines (post marital affairs).. So that analogy is still wrong and cannot be backed up anywhere in the bible. Stay blessed my brother..

Restitution has to do with your heart, and believe in your action and in your God. If by be done it right, connect with your God and sincerely repent, the you may have as well gotten a fulfilment there.

lonikit:
Please, I want to know because it is practised in many Pentecostal churches. If you marry two or more wives before you got born again, you have to leave one and live with just one. this act of forsaking is known as restitution. I really want to know if this is scriptural.

If you are restricted to one wife how will isiah 4 vs 1 comes to pass..."and in that day 7 women will hold up to one men saying we will cater for ourselves but just to put away our shame and be called by your name" besides where is it stated categorically that its forbidden to marry more than one wife in the bible?

asuustrike2009:

From beginning of creation it had being one man one wife. God’s plan is one man and woman (wife) for life (Genesis 2). . Genesis 2:23-24 says that a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife. God did not say that man was to be joined to his “wives.” He said that man was to be joined to his wife. That is one and only one.Jehovah over looked the men of old in old testament but it wasn't his original design

wu tld u it wasnt in his design,u had meeting wit Him Or He told u?

What is a concubine? Why did God allow men to have concubines in the Bible?

A concubine is a female who voluntarily enslaves and sells herself to a man primarily for his sexual pleasure. Concubines in the patriarchal age and beyond did not have equal status with a wife. A concubine could not marry her master because of her slave status, although, for her, the relationship was exclusive and ongoing. Sometimes concubines were used to bear children for men whose wives were barren. Concubines in Israel possessed many of the same rights as legitimate wives, without the same respect.
Although it’s true the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns concubinage, a condemnation can be found implicitly from the beginning of time. According to Genesis 2:21-24, God’s original intent was for marriage to be between one man and one woman, and that has never changed (Genesis 1:27). As a matter of fact, a study of the lives of men like King David and King Solomon (who had 300 concubines; 1 Kings 11:3) reveals that many of their problems stemmed from polygamous relationships (2 Samuel 11:2-4).
The Bible never explains why God allowed men to have concubines. He allowed divorce and polygamy, too, although neither was part of His original plan for marriage. Jesus said God allowed divorce because of the hardness of men’s hearts (Matthew 19:. We can assume the same hardness of heart led to polygamy and concubinage.

We can also surmise a reason based on the culture of the day. Unmarried women in ancient times were completely dependent on their family members, such as their fathers, brothers, etc. If for some reason a woman had no family members or her husband had died or divorced her, she would be left with few options for survival. Most women in ancient times were uneducated and unskilled in a trade. Providing for themselves was very difficult, and they were vulnerable to those who would prey upon them. For many women in dire situations, becoming a concubine was a much more suitable option than prostitution, homelessness, or death. At least a concubine would be provided a home and afforded a certain amount of care.
It appears God allowed the sin of concubinage, in part, to provide for women in need, although it was certainly not an ideal situation. Sin is never ideal. Christians should be reminded that, just because God allows a sin for a time, it does not mean God is pleased with it. Many Bible narratives teach that God can take what some people mean for evil and use it for good (e.g., Genesis 50:20)

Pierohandsome:
bro Abraham was not a christian, but a Jew. Christ is our example that is why we are christians. One wife and one husband, any other marriage aside one wife is not recognized by God as marriage but adultery.

Under the old covenant it was permitted but under the new tastament it is only one wife

Abraham was not a Christian but a Jew so you only obey the new testament law but you forgot that thithe was of old testament and ironically initiated by the same Abraham brother!!

lonikit:

so since jehova overlooked them and he says he hate divorce. are we now allowed after marrying more Dan one before we got born again to divorce.??

I think he is only trying to make you understand that divorce can only happen between a man and his wife. Where there are more wives it is no longer considered a marriage. So sending them away is not divorce in this circumstance.

there's no need for it. and no scripture demands it.

asuustrike2009:

The names you mentioned have you for once look at the circumstances surrounding their marriage?
Jacob had Rachael in mind but was forced to take Leah.
David and Solomon had many wives yet Solomon said vanity upon vanity all is vanity.
Abraham had Sarah but the circumstances made him to. take Hagar. In spite of that God didn't choose Ishmael but Isaac. That God allowed then doesn't he has now.

so are you nw telling me God is nw man that changes his own view.

Pierohandsome:
Mat 19:4-6

The above scripture gave us a clear picture abt hw many partners should be involve in marriage. The above scripture clearly stated that it is between a man and a woman ,not women. It said they two shall become one ,not they 3 or they 4 shall become one flesh. If the bible says 1 and u married 2 or 3, must u wait for the bible to tell u to return them b4 u believe it is not right?
Whn u miss ur way u have to retrace it and not continuing in it. As far as the scripture is concerned the other 2 are not recognized by God because the bible made us to uNderstand that it is only meant for a man and a woman ,so the other 2 are jst in adulterous relationship as far as God is concerned.

the other 2 were LEGALLY married when the man was nt a born-again fellow nw he is suddenly d last two wives nw bcum mistress? I want to knw abeg

SirBrightoc:


I appreciate your insistence on getting proper response. I can understand that you want follow the Bible as your standard. That is what it should be.

Now, consider the verse 9 of that Matthew 19 already quoted up there.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:4‭, ‬9 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.19.4-9.KJV

Emphasis on the red.
Here, Christ clearly stated that he who marries another, even after divorcing the first, commits ADULTERY. This implies that any relationship with a 2nd wife, apart from when the first is dead, is adultery. Come to think of it, if marrying another after divorcing the first is adultery, marrying another without divorcing the first is also adultery.
Yes! Someone got born again, but already has more than one wife, does it mean that continuing to have sexual relationship with the others is not adultery? It is. Yes, it is. When a man realizes his mistakes, repentance entails correcting then. But here, you may not be able to correct it absolutely. Still, you can not continue in adultery. You must stop all sexual relationships with all, except the first. At the same time, you must provide for the rest until they remarry, if they so wish. It is a price that has to be paid.

Exodus 21:10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/7-20.htm

analize701:

Which Bible passage says that it is called Restitution?

My brother,if Jesus where to answer this question,he will tell you that first of all,you are in error,because you only defined something as divorce and hoping that such "divorce" is condemned because God hates divorce..Now know this:
1)it is not called divorce
2)sometimes when you take a case to court,the judge will rule that such never happened and as such everything should return to status quo(this has happened in many cases where a governor was rigged his way through and e eventually after 2-3yrs the election was nullified .The matter above is the same before God.
3)read Gen21:8-14.if you understand that part then your question is buried .

God has an original plan,but man perverted it,Jesus came to correct it.If not,God would have not asked Abraham to send Hagar away.God told Abraham point blank...That the one He 'recorganised and of which the promise is made is Isaac.What does that teach you,the first wife is the one God recognises.
Much as I don't see your question as a restitution case,however,if you are looking for a restitution case,then mange that scripture.