Kog45:
My man with due respect i don't need to mention names here but roll back pages here and analyse some comments regards CHAN then you would agree that some comments wasn't base on critical view of the team even before the commencement of CHAN.

Mind you am not saying the team is perfect or they are getting it right cos they need to improve to beat Angola but guys needs to talk like football pundits not just bashing.

Look back at the Keshi's CHAN team and this one.

The Keshi's team was so much better (after their first game) such that people were advocating the inclusion of players like Ejike and Odunlami into the WC team.

Can you sincerely look at this team so far and make a case for the inclusion of any player?

That was the expectation from CHAN to an extent. To find out which player can potentially be in the A squad. I could care less if we go out in the first round but discover good players.

Even when Oliseh got bundled out in the first round, we discovered Chikatara.

goldfish80:


I have actually seen him play even better than this. You know the last time these guys played competitive games was October last year at the end of the season. I would think Osas is playing at 70% and even at that, he is still the best wing back in the tournament. I understand he's being courted by several clubs, including a certain Locomotive.

Good for him if he can make the move early cos staying put at NPFL will not help his development.

I based my assessment on him due to your rating cos i remeber vividly you suggested his name as solution to our RB problem before the emergence of Shehu Abdullahi,Ebuhei, Aina and Idowu.

Due to this i watched him critically during WAFU but am not impressed but so far at CHAN us doing well,just that he needs to improve on his defensive ability,am saying this cos during super six he was badly exposed by one MFM player who always took him on with ease.

Well i see him more as a ball playing defender than real defender but needs to work on his defensive approach,with that is ready to go but good outing so far

EEGA:
It would be unfair to the CHAN eagles if one of them apart from Ezenwa is not invited for the March friendlies.

how will it be unfair....?
super eagles invitation should be base on competence and not sentiment.

let them earn it......even the ezenwa have not been living up to expectation that much.

Kog45:
Good for him if he can make the move early cos staying put at NPFL will not help his development.

I based my assessment on him due to your rating cos i remeber vividly you suggested his name as oossibke solution to our RB problem before the emergence of Shehu Abdullahi,Ebuhei, Aina and Idowu.

Due to this i watched him critically during WAFU but am not impressed but so far at CHAN us doing well,just that he needs to improve on his defensive ability,am saying this cos during super six he was badly exposed by one MFM player who always took him on with ease.

Well i see him more as a ball playing defender than real defender but needs to work on his defensive approach,with that is ready to go but good outing so far

You're getting the point. He's not the best defensive full back in NPFL. His game is all about attacking the flanks just like Marcos Alonso and Bellerin, they are great going forward but defensively, could be badly exposed. These sort of players thrive playing 3 centre backs.
That is modern wing backs for you. The Maldini's and Thuram's are no longer in vogue, football have really evolved.

tbaba1234:


Look back at the Keshi's CHAN team and this one.

The Keshi's team was so much better (after their first game) such that people were advocating the inclusion of players like Ejike and Odunlami into the WC team.

Can you sincerely look at this team so far and make a case for the inclusion of any player?

That was the expectation from CHAN to an extent. To find out which player can potentially be in the A squad. I could care less if we go out in the first round but discover good players.

Even when Oliseh got bundled out in the first round, we discovered Chikatara.

Why some don't understand these things you pointed out baffles me.

We are Nigeria and we have standards.

This is not the first CHAN we are participating in.

As a football analyst you analyze the game the way it is. If the team is poor you should be able to say it.

Next thing now they will point hate fingers at you.

I just tire.

EEGA:
It would be unfair to the CHAN eagles if one of them apart from Ezenwa is not invited for the March friendlies.

The SUPER EAGLES jerseys are for deserving players.

If they deserve it they will get it else....nothing for them.

Humility017:

how will it be unfair....?
super eagles invitation should be base on competence and not sentiment.

let them earn it......even the ezenwa have not been living up to expectation that much.

But Kalu Orji have demonstrated competence over the past 3 months more than Leon Balogun. I stand to be corrected

goldfish80:

But Kalu Orji have demonstrated competence over the past 3 months more than Leon Balogun . I stand to be corrected

It is comments like these that will make me break my keyboard.

tbaba1234:


Look back at the Keshi's CHAN team and this one.

The Keshi's team was so much better (after their first game) such that people were advocating the inclusion of players like Ejike and Odunlami into the WC team.

Can you sincerely look at this team so far and make a case for the inclusion of any player?

That was the expectation from CHAN to an extent. To find out which player can potentially be in the A squad. I could care less if we go out in the first round but discover good players.

Even when Oliseh got bundled out in the first round, we discovered Chikatara.

I don't think Keshi can be compared with any coach when it comes to giving home based chance,so i don't think Rohr has the gut cos if it's Keshi expect player like Orji in the main team.

TheGoodJoe:


An easy cop out but the fact is that they were good and not given the right atmosphere to excel. If they had no ability or quality to improve the team, would the management of Chelsea sign them?

The fact is very simple. A player can be good and left on the bench.

So you knew back then that whey would be as good as they are now? You saw Salah scoring 18 goals in 24 league matches or De Bruyne making 12 assists, 6 goals in 24 games?

I emphasized the key phrase "AT THE TIME". AT the time none of those players improved the first team at Chelsea Football Club. They were squad players. This is not the same as saying they did not have quality. I am with John Terry on this one.

TheGoodJoe:
If they had no ability or quality to improve the team, would the management of Chelsea sign them? [/color]

Yes, many players are signed by Chelsea who did not improve the team and were let go. Remember £28m Juan Cuadrado? £18 Baba Rahman? Papy Djilobodji? Marko Marin the supposed 'German Messi' at the time? etc etc So yes the Management of Chelsea do sign players who are to put it quite plainly quite rubbish sometimes.

TheGoodJoe:
The fact is very simple. A player can be good and left on the bench [/color]

Sure! Good players are sometimes left on the bench. Either for players better than them to play or because they are unproven at the level the team they have joined plays at. Your manager has to trust you or you sit on the bench until there is little or no risk in playing you, 85th min substitute maybe? When Vardy signed for Leicester from Fleetwood, though he was good where he came from he was a bench warmer for Leicester in the Championship, UNTIL he proved himself capable of competing consistently at that level.

Kog45:
I don't think Keshi can be compared with any coach when it comes to giving home based chance,so i don't think Rohr has the gut cos if it's Keshi expect player like Orji in the main team.

Because I want to respect the dead I don't just want to pour my mind on Keshi's selections. I will only focus on that of Rohr.

For the first time in a very long while we have recently (under Rohr) been parading a Super Eagles team that when you see the line up you would hardly disagree that we are parading the best available players.

So many of Keshi's players had no business in that team. Period.

Icon4s:


It is comments like these that will make me break my keyboard.

Please spare your keyboard. I hate reading people using the word "competence" to argue against home based players when the foreign based ones aren't pulling up trees. As if the word competence is reserved exclusively for some people.

Icon4s:


Winner Nigeria Vs Angola plays winner Zambia vs Sudan.

to be honest I see this guys getting to the final...I mean the Nigeria team.
just that I don't really fancy the kind o football they play coupled wit the fact that no player have really impressed much to be drafted into the super eagles...

goldfish80:

But Kalu Orji have demonstrated competence over the past 3 months more than Leon Balogun. I stand to be corrected

Lol....you mean consistency in the npfl...?
you're funny bro....have you asked the reason why many European coaches and likewise south Americans I think an Argentine made mention of it recently....
have the Apple belief that Nigeria defenders swiftly loose concentration...even though they're very physical....

it takes intelligence to be a fantastic defender...that i can't see in the npfl...
please don't compare orji wit balogun wit all due respect.

balogun, Aina,ebuehi and troost we praise today partly because of their exposure and upbring in Europeans equipped academics and football tutorials right from childhood...

goldfish80:


Please spare your keyboard. I hate reading people using the word "competence" to argue against home based players when the foreign based ones aren't pulling up trees. As if the word competence is reserved exclusively for some people.

you hate people using the Word...?
then on what base or ground do you want the home grown players to be drafted into the SE?
sentiment right?

every player should be invited base on their competence not because they're homegrown or foreign born...?

people should earn their place....

Icon4s:


Why some don't understand these things you pointed out baffles me.

We are Nigeria and we have standards.

This is not the first CHAN we are participating in.

As a football analyst you analyze the game the way it is. If the team is poor you should be able to say it.

Next thing now they will point hate fingers at you.

I just tire.

Sir some comments on CHAN team were purely biased and uncalled for which i don't see as critical analysing of the team but bashings comments.

Pls this is football,let's analyze it and talk football.

EEGA:
It would be unfair to the CHAN eagles if one of them apart from Ezenwa is not invited for the March friendlies.

imagine!

Why should one of them be invited? Is there a space they can occupy? Are they better than what is on ground?

What will be unfair will be making way for someone who isn't as good as those on the team and dropping a better player simply because one bros is in CHAN.

Thank God our next friendlies are in Europe and NFF will not be willing to spend flight money on anyone who isn't in Europe unless said person is exceptional

Kog45:
Sir some comments on CHAN team were purely biased and uncalled for which i don't see as critical analysing of the team but bashings comments.

Pls this is football,let's analyze it and talk football.

one thinh I have noticed when the home based players and Chan team are being discussed is that any contrasting view from the NPFL fans is deemed unpatriotic and uncalled for...

one simply can't express his/herself without having be termed unpatriotic and a critic...

we just have to praise the team even when they're not playing well....

Icon4s:


Because I want to respect the dead I don't just want to pour my mind on Keshi's selections. I will only focus on that of Rohr.

For the first time in a very long while we have recently (under Rohr) been parading a Super Eagles team that when you see the line up you would hardly disagree that we are parading the best available players.

So many of Keshi's players had no business in that team. Period.

That's why i said only Keshi can do that not Rohr but i thought Uchebo or Nwofor are better than Ideye?

Humility017:

Lol....you mean consistency in the npfl...?
you're funny bro....have you asked the reason why many European coaches and likewise south Americans I think an Argentine made mention of it recently....
have the Apple belief that Nigeria defenders swiftly loose concentration...even though they're very physical....

it takes intelligence to be a fantastic defender...that i can't see in the npfl...
please don't compare orji wit balogun wit all due respect.

I will compare an off form Balogun with an in form Orji . We are talking real football here not some some fantasy league or play station.
Omeruo and Obabona bossed if for the Super Eagles not so long ago straight from Sunshine stars of Akure.

safarigirl:
imagine!

Why should one of them be invited? Is there a space they can occupy? Are they better than what is on ground?

What will be unfair will be making way for someone who isn't as good as those on the team and dropping a better player simply because one bros is in CHAN.

Thank God our next friendlies are in Europe and NFF will not be willing to spend flight money on anyone who isn't in Europe unless said person is exceptional

they want us to revert back to keshi days I always reserving 3-5 slots for home based players....

goldfish80:

But Kalu Orji have demonstrated competence over the past 3 months more than Leon Balogun. I stand to be corrected

don't worry, Rohr is planning to get Akpoguma and Uduokhai....since the friendlies are in Europe, I fully expect that the players who will be given a chance are those in Europe, for obvious money issues. NFF will not want to waste money even if they have enough

These home-based players will only be able to get their chance in May, when the farewell match is played and by that time, it may be too late.

So, anybody expecting CHAN Eagles in the team in March should tamp down on their expectations

Humility017:

one thinh I have noticed when the home based players and Chan team are being discussed is that any contrasting view from the NPFL fans is deemed unpatriotic and uncalled for...

one simply can't express his/herself without having be termed unpatriotic and a critic...

we just have to praise the team even when they're not playing well....

Oh NPFL fan?i watched local league live last in the stadia should be 2008 but i always have respect for anything home grown especially Nigeria even if am outside the country.

If you want to say unpatriotic,yes some comments sound like that and is damn terrible cos we do accuse the likes of Michael2,goldfish80,Komne of the same thing.

Una weldone o

abeg,,,, who saw the dangerous tackle Moses made against his compatriot Iwobi yesterday? I was like "bruh"

goldfish80:


I will compare an off form Balogun with an in form Orji . We are talking real football here not some some fantasy league or play station.

Omeruo and Obabona bossed if for the Super Eagles not so long ago straight from Sunshine stars of Akure.

they boss the defense against Africa opposition and when they played against non-Africa opposition they played otherwise...and how is omeruo now...?

Humility017:

they want us to revert back to keshi days I always reserving 3-5 slots for home based players....

thank God Rohr is not so gullible

Na so Keshi carry Uzoenyi go Brazil go open him yansh there, abi na Egwueke? What became of those players? Once bitten twice shy, an off form Balogun is better than those NPFL guys abeg

Humility017:

they want us to revert back to keshi days I always reserving 3-5 slots for home based players....

My man don't twists the discussion,nobody is expecting any slots for home based but mellow down on the harsh criticism of the team as if they are not representing Nigeria,give them little respect and let's give critical analysis on the team,nothing more.

goldfish80:


I will compare an off form Balogun with an in form Orji . We are talking real football here not some some fantasy league or play station.
Omeruo and Obabona bossed if for the Super Eagles not so long ago straight from Sunshine stars of Akure.

your thinking that....in form Orji can only displace an off form Balogun is ridiculous.
if that is all orji can do and where is potentials lies...then he is not good enough for the super eagles...
we need a player who can give the present SE start a good fight...someone who can add bite to the defense....

I like orji though....but i think it is too hasty to start the call.

Humility017:


they boss the defense against Africa opposition and when they played against non-Africa opposition they played otherwise...and how is omeruo now...?

They didn't do too badly in friendlies against Italy, Catalonia and Scotland. I don't think they were played otherwise against these teams. We didnt even loose any of these games.
It's incredulous and quite uncharitable when people make up stuffs to downplay home based players.

By the way, Omeruo have been in decent form over the past few months. He seems to be out perfoming Ekong

Kog45:
My man don't twists the discussion,nobody is expecting any slots for home based but mellow down on the harsh criticism of the team as if they are not representing Nigeria,give them little respect and let's give critical analysis on the team,nothing more.

nobody I think is criticising them badly from my observation....in their last match...Dayo Ojo really revived that match...prior then especally in the first half the play was poor...and that's the truth.

Humility017:

nobody I think is criticising them badly from my observation....in their last match...Dayo Ojo really revived that match...prior then especally in the first half the play was poor...and that's the truth.

OK sir

goldfish80:

They didn't do too badly in friendlies against Italy, Catalonia and Scotland. I don't think they were played otherwise against these teams. We didnt even loose any of these games.
It's incredulous and quite uncharitable when people make up stuffs to downplay home based players.

By the way, Omeruo have been in decent form over the past few months. He seems to be out perfoming Ekong

how about against the USA and Greece...

nobody is downplaying home based players.... but sayn orji should replace balogun is funny