randomperson:


Back then winning was a lot more difficult?? Like, seriously, WTF!!

Please where's your proof... At least there is overwhelming proof that transfer fees are more expensive these days....

How can u even say winning was more difficult when fergie was acquiring epl titles at the rate fela was acquiring wives

Back then, it was impossible to win the UCL back to back...
You had Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, the Great Milan team, Galactica Madrid etc Elsewhere, you had a very strong Lyon, PSV, Ajax and the likes...It's no surprise it was impossible to win the UCL back to back.

hardeycute:
True.I call it "One club wonder"

You also need to mention that during that era,Madrid was badly managed
Winning Chelsea's first EPL title in 50yrs?adding the League cup in his first year?
Chelsea are relatively unknown in Europe so i don't expect him to do anything with the team.
The following year he successfully defended the EPL title and won a cup double in his last year

His Madrid career was above average,League title,CDR and UCL semifinalist consecutively for 3yrs
At Madrid,the Club does the purchase.
How much did he spent? Access and actual spending are two different things
Consistecy here is relative.

His trophy cabinet speaks for him

Mourinho had two immediate former world bests in the same team.. Was it Madrid that bought carvalho and adebayor? Your revisionist agenda has failed already...

Mourinho at Chelsea spent more than every other person and still didn't win the champions league, by your standard, that's failure... Any other conclusion is double standard

And yes consistency is relative. Therefore, guardiola is relatively more consistent than Mourinho

hardeycute:
Do you spend money to win?

Do you park the bus to win?

Anything that rock your boat neither can you deny his achievements.

Pep spends billions,he is a genius.Others spends less they are clueless

Pep is a genius Mourinho is bus parking specialist. Chelsea sack Mourinho the next season Avram Grant grant lead Chelsea to champions league final something the mourinho couldn't do after spending millions. Madrid also sack the fraud and appointed Ancelloti he won them the champions league. His bus parking does not work with big teams fact.

elrony:


I'm not that bad at math, but no way 19 = 22, and that is a universal fact.

Next time you choose your words wisely.

Actually, you're terrible at maths if you can't see that 19 in 9 years is more impressive than 22 in 18 years.

So A player who scored 50 goals in one season is not better than one who scores 100 goals in 20 seasons

A student who scores 7/10 is worse than one who scores 8/20...


You're reaching heights of absurdity to defend your standpoint... It shows desperation

Mourinho failures with Madrid and Chelsea in the champions league proves that His bus parking method does not work with big teams in the competition.

randomperson:

[s]Mourinho had two immediate former world bests in the same team[/s]Was it Madrid that bought carvalho and adebayor? Your revisionist agenda has failed already

Football is a game of 11players

Adebayor is now what you considered a Madrid-quality player?Don't forget he also brought Essien

Mourinho at Chelsea spent more than every other person and still didn't win the champions league, by your standard that's failure... Any other conclusion is double standard

My standard is winning a trophy not particularly UCL and not overreacting like how pep fanboys do mostly

And yes consistency is relative. Therefore, guardiola is relatively more consistent than Mourinho

Yes,on cash spent.

randomperson:


Actually, you're terrible at maths if you can't see that 19 in 9 years is more impressive than 22 in 18 years.

So A player who scored 50 goals in one season is not better than one who scores 100 goals in 20 seasons

A student who scores 7/10 is worse than one who scores 8/20...


You're reaching heights of absurdity to defend your standpoint... It shows desperation

Random strawman, you've been overtly desperate to rig your way outta your goof.

Facts only , "Guardiola has effectively equaled mourinho's trophy haul in significantly less years "

how is 19=22

Don't distort fact to suit your inconsequential narrative. Nowhere in this universe is 19 = 22.

Stop saying shiit you can't prove.

Melvyn11:

Pep is a genius Mourinho is bus parking specialist. Chelsea sack Mourinho the next season Avram Grant grant lead Chelsea to champions league final something the mourinho couldn't do after spending millions. Madrid also sack the fraud and appointed Ancelloti he won them the champions league. His bus parking does not work with big teams fact.

Just like how pep ingenuity won Bayern a UCL and Man city went trophyless with his ridiculous spending last season?

UCL winners
Last decade, the UCL recorded 8 different winners, Madrid, Bayern, Porto, Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Manchester United, Inter Milan.


2011 till date, we have just 4 winners...Facts only.

patrickmuf:
Back then, it was impossible to win the UCL back to back...
You had Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, the Great Milan team, Galactica Madrid etc Elsewhere, you had a very strong Lyon, PSV, Ajax and the likes...It's no surprise it was impossible to win the UCL back to back.

We are talking about 2004 here, not the dark ages... Barca still had only one ucl, athletico were still kings of Thursday league, there were no state sponsored teams who could buy any player they want, there were unlikely winners like Liverpool, Porto ... And if it was even difficult then, what about his stint at Madrid

hardeycute:
Park the bus or not it is a tactical approach to a game
Not every manager has access to money like him or have been lucky to work with amazing players

I decide to eat my beans with yam while you preferred bread.Our common goal is satisfaction(winning) which i believe Mou has always achieved.

You don't like it,that is a problem for you.

Fifa has not release guidelines on how football should be played

Not every manager has access to money like him but Mourinho does. So why hasn't he been able to replicate that level of excellence with any of his teams

elrony:


Random strawman, you've been overtly desperate to rig your way outta your goof.

Facts only , "Guardiola has effectively equaled mourinho's trophy haul in significantly less years "

how is 19=22

Don't distort fact to suit your inconsequential narrative. Nowhere in this universe is 19 = 22.

Stop saying shiit you can't prove.

It's not a goof. Anybody with elementary understanding of figure of speech would see the point of hat statement...

And since you insist the number of years spent achieving something doesn't matter, lemme say a little prayer for you:

"The money your rivals make in 10 years, you will make it in 20 years"

I dare you to say amen

hardeycute:
Just like how pep ingenuity won Bayern a UCL and Man city went trophyless with his ridiculous spending last season?

wow I forget the Ended after last season.....lol. Parking the bus does not deserve any praise. Any idiot can do it just asked Di Matteo

patrickmuf:
UCL winners
Last decade, the UCL recorded 8 different winners, Madrid, Bayern, Porto, Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Manchester United, Inter Milan.


2011 till date, we have just 4 winners...Facts only.

So you're a saying it was harder to win ucl in a decade where underdogs like Porto won.? Which Kain logic be that?

This only shows that the level of competition has increased such that, if you're not at the very top, you stand no chance

randomperson:


Not every manager has access to money like him but Mourinho does. So why hasn't he been able to replicate that level of excellence with any of his teams

We are really going round in circles.

The season ends in May, by then we can have another go.

Good night

Melvyn11:
wow I forget the Ended after last season

?

Parking the bus does not deserve any praise. Any idiot can do it just asked Di Matteo

Can you list how many idiots have won a ¼ of his trophy haul

randomperson:


We are talking about 2004 here, not the dark ages... Barca still had only one ucl, athletico were still kings of Thursday league, there were no state sponsored teams who could buy any player they want, there were unlikely winners like Liverpool, Porto ... And if it was even difficult then, what about his stint at Madrid

When you comfortably come type to type that Mourinho has been in the game for 18 years and Pep for 10 years, do you start counting from 2004?

Meanwhile, let me respond to your other lines, that Pool team were no pushovers, they made the finals in 2007 after winning it in 2005.

Oil Money? PSG has still not surpassed Lyon of those days.
Man City have not surpassed that Arsenal team.

Atletico Madrid have not Surpassed Valencia.

Milan was a force to be reckoned with.
Juventus were a force until Calciopoli happened.
PSV were very dangerous as was Ajax. Deporting with Valeron was also good.

hardeycute:
We are really going round in circles.

The season ends in May, by then we can have another go.

Good night

Good call... Sleep and mull over the question. Maybe by tomorrow you would have come up with an answer.

Good night

randomperson:


So you're a saying it was harder to win ucl in a decade where underdogs like Porto won.? Which Kain logic be that?

This only shows that the level of competition has increased such that, if you're not at the very top, you stand no chance

It only shows the level of competition has dropped so many levels below the standard.

hardeycute:
Can you list how many idiots have won a ¼ of his trophy haul

What is My business with his trophy. Average managers has parked the bus and won trophies I gave you an example. Mourinho is there alpha and omega in the business.

patrickmuf:
When you comfortably come type to type that Mourinho has been in the game for 18 years and Pep for 10 years, do you start counting from 2004?

Meanwhile, let me respond to your other lines, that Pool team were no pushovers, they made the finals in 2007 after winning it in 2005.

Oil Money? PSG has still not surpassed Lyon of those days.
Man City have not surpassed that Arsenal team.

Atletico Madrid have not Surpassed Valencia.

Milan was a force to be reckoned with.
Juventus were a force until Calciopoli happened.
PSV were very dangerous as was Ajax. Deporting with Valeron was also good.

Since you have decided to stick to ucl, I will play your game.

Athletico have made two finals and one semi in four years... That's better than Valencia did

How many times did Lyon or PSV or Ajax reach the ucl finals in the last decade

Liverpool had not won a league title for more than a decade yet they made the final twice... That Liverpool team would not make ucl finals today

So, inspite of your best efforts, you have still failed to prove that it was harder to win titles.. In fact, the facts suggest, it was easier for underdogs to win titles then as compared to now

randomperson:


It's not a goof. Anybody with elementary understanding of figure of speech would see the point of hat statement...

And since you insist the number of years spent achieving something doesn't matter, lemme say a little prayer for you:

"The money your rivals make in 10 years, you will make it in 20 years"

I dare you to say amen

Lol, you never see anything, accept your goof and move on bro.

"Guardiola has effectively equaled mourinho's trophy haul in significantly less years " is not a fact, because he doesn't have 22 trophies in 9 years. (You have failed to prove otherwise)

I pray for you today that you'll never collect 19k as salary in place off 22k for your hard labour

elrony:


Lol, you never see anything, accept your goof and move on bro.

"Guardiola has effectively equaled mourinho's trophy haul in significantly less years " is not a fact, because he doesn't have 22 trophies in 9 years. (You have failed to prove otherwise)

I pray for you today that you'll never collect 19k as salary in place off 22k for your hard labour

By your logic, Walcott is better than mbappe, since he has more goals, right?

randomperson:


[s]By your logic, Walcott is better than mbappe, since he has more goals, right?[/s]

I can't remember this being the subject of our discuss.

Make I kukuma focus kill this Marakov again, then call it a day.

MW3...

randomperson:


Since you have decided to stick to ucl, I will play your game.

Athletico have made two finals and one semi in four years... That's better than Valencia did

How many times did Lyon or PSV or Ajax reach the ucl finals in the last decade

Liverpool had not won a league title for more than a decade yet they made the final twice... That Liverpool team would not make ucl finals today

So, inspite of your best efforts, you have still failed to prove that it was harder to win titles.. In fact, the facts suggest, it was easier for underdogs to win titles then as compared to now

Lol Valencia reached the final in 2000 and 2001 so try another one.

That Liverpool team came back from 3-0 down to win a final against an AC Milan team that had Maldini, Shevchenko, Seedorf, Cafu, Pirlo, Nesta, Gatti so, Crespo, Stam etc is the team you want to put down by their obvious failure to win a league title? Between, UCL is rated higher than league (local trophy)...

PSV have reached the Semi Finals, Same with Lyon, can't say same about the oil dollars bankrolled PSG.

Now, answer my question, when you talk about Mourinho's 18 years in the game, do you start counting from 2004?

elrony:


I can't remember this being the subject of our discuss.

It's called analogy... If your reasoning is logical then it should hold true for the Walcott statement to... Logic is consistent...

Therefore, if you cannot agree that Walcott is better than mbappe on the basis of him scoring more goals despite playing a lot more games, then your statement about 19 and 22 is wrong because it's the same underlying principle

You come here saying Pep has won more in 10 years compared to Mou who has spent 18 years but when you are asked to also check how much each of them have spent you start jumping from pillar to post like a cursed gorilla...

Na here we dey, this is not your thread where you just type whatever you feel like for the likes, you go run last last...

patrickmuf:
Lol Valencia reached the final in 2000 and 2001 so try another one.

That Liverpool team came back from 3-0 down to win a final against an AC Milan team that had Maldini, Shevchenko, Seedorf, Cafu, Pirlo, Nesta, Gatti so, Crespo, Stam etc is the team you want to put down by their obvious failure to win a league title? Between, UCL is rated higher than league (local trophy)...

PSV have reached the Semi Finals, Same with Lyon, can't say same about the oil dollars bankrolled PSG.

Now, answer my question, when you talk about Mourinho's 18 years in the game, do you start counting from 2004?

All these shows is that underdogs had more of a chance in the past decade when compared to the present times...


If more people are winning a prize, is it more or less difficult to win that prize

patrickmuf:
You come here saying Pep has won more in 10 years compared to Mou who has spent 18 years but when you are asked to also check how much each of them have spent you start jumping from pillar to post like a cursed gorilla...

Na here we dey, this is not your thread where you just type whatever you feel like for the likes, you go run last last...

I'm not jumping, am using my common sense like every other rational human being...

It's foolhardiness to insist that a million pounds today is the same value as a million pounds 15 years ago...

Ronaldo was bought for 80million in 2009, what would be the value of that deal in today's transfer market? That's how reasonable people think not adding raw numbers like clueless nursery school students

randomperson:


All these shows is that underdogs had more of a chance in the past decade when compared to the present times...


If more people are winning a prize, is it more or less difficult to win that prize

It showed that we had more teams who were up to the standard. I am sure you don't enjoy the Bundesliga of recent...I am also sure you were happy to see Atletico Madrid challenging Real and Barcelona?
Back then, you had so many good teams that it was difficult for another to dominate completely...The competition was fiesty, a lot different fr what you have now.

randomperson:


I'm not jumping, am using my common sense like every other rational human being...

It's foolhardiness to insist that a million pounds today is the same value as a million pounds 15 years ago...

Ronaldo was bought for 80million in 2009, what would be the value of that deal in today's transfer market? That's how reasonable people think not adding raw numbers like clueless nursery school students

Is it not also foolhardy to consider Mourinho's early years as a coach? Is it not foolhardy to think Mourinho should have won more coaching moderately successful teams bar Madrid and now Manchester United who are only starting to rise after a slump occasioned by the retirement of Fergie?
Is it not foolhardy to talk about number of trophies won in relation to the number of years in the game without factoring in the amount spent in this period?