goshee:
you have finally proven your stupidity beyond any reasonable doubt. so people calling on god don't have misfrtunes? those in the arthopaidic don't call on god. in fact you piss me off here with you low sense of argument

If I piss you off, you shouldn't respond then. Its as simple as dat.

You aethists are just pained hypocrites. You just can't ignore things you believe doesn't appeal to you.

greenhulk:


Abeg no vex, I'm a novice and willing to learn so pls educate me. Where in the Bible did God ask Adam and Eve to be fruitful and Multiply?

Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Gen3:1-6. That was when God cast the spell on them and chased them out of the garden. Prior to this time nothing was said about multiplying or mating, in fact the Bible made us know they never even knew they were naked until they ate the fruit.

Gen 9:7 and I quote "As for you, be fruitful and increase in number, multiply on earth and increase upon it". This message was for Noah and that was several years after Adam and Eve.. this was after the great storm.

Gen 1'28
please get your facts right OK?

gmoney12:
ingredients ;Dingredients

and I thought you were serious

darkchild64:


The problem I have with you Christians is your inconsistency, u guyz have already made ur conclusion that everything the bible said is true even the most unreasonable ones so whenever an argument is thrown up u guyz bring up such illogical reasons as long as it favours the bible

how can a grown man be telling me that since a parrot tends to repeats what it hears that a snake could verbally have a comprehensive conversation with a human being,sometimes when we say some things about you Christians u feel we are abusing u but then its not

I have no problem with the fact that u blv the Adam and eve story,but then trying to validated it using logic and critical reasoning is a no no,they are two parallel lines that don't meet

Please try and be reasonable don't just be saying stuff for argument sake

But u believe witches turn to animals and attack people?
Or u also dont believe witches exist?

You should ask further questions..like did they (Adam and Eve) die after eating the 'apple'

It won't be smart to take pain in child birth literally ..it could just be the general pains of life..and frankly women have a lot to worry about
.compared to animals

Liftedhands:
End of discussion! Bless you plenty.

end of which discussion!?... why are people stubbornly stupid and foolish!?

babasolution:
what evidence is there to proof that man that way?probably you read it from history books but how do you know if those history books are indeed true,or not some cooked up stories??

another stupid idiot, which tribe are you and what language do you speak!... am not an atheist but I reason deep also FYI

JudgementHammer:

Since you can think, you should have also thought of why you have to wear clothes to cover ur nakkeedness unlike animals, why u have d highest developed brain among animals and why you can't pick foods from the floor or have sex on the streets without being shy. The same proof that equates you with animals as long as labour pain is concerned, should competently equate you with them in those areas too. Your thinking is half-done just like an animal's thinking shd be.

Do you know that animals desires to get food existed with them before God created man on d 6th day. When God created Lions and other animals in d world, they immediately began their struggle to fight for prey and the preys with immediate sense to elude their predators. They were also created with their physiological responses to childbirth.

Man alone was d one created out of special consideration..God said now let's create man In our image and likeness, why were animals not so lucky? After creating them in his likeness, he also put them in a special garden called eden guarded by angels. They were so special, they were d only one that could talk and with the highest developed brain. In the same special way, he made them without labour pain until they brought themselves under the curse by eating the forbidden fruit as recorded in the bible and also had to be clothed unlike animals.

whoa! that was amazing wonderful explanation.

butterflyl1on:


The OP asked a question from a place of immense ignorance and atheists decided to fan this ignorance into a flame as if it was the truth. It's a typical strategy they enjoy working with.

Exactly

NPComplete:


Dude do you research well. There are primitive people who are unclad even until this day. So that is not even an argument. Search for "nude tribes" on Google and help urself.

For u to say there was no culture that used indiscriminate sex as a way of life shows u don't know history.

Your first 2 points shows u nothing about the topic u are discussing so I didn't even bother reading the rest
Read more and come back for a discussion.

You're just being clever by half. I took time to show you links to buttress my point but you telling me there are primitive people that unclad even till date but you refused telling who they are, where they reside all over the world. I think too much of film watching is giving you too much of hope. I quoted links of cultures of civilization of Egypt, Greek and Hebrew and all items of coverings were did mentioned in them and there was no where it was stated they are totally naked. Show me a culture where they are totally unclad and not directing me to google. If I can't google I won't be here. Give me the culture and stop being wise by half. Google is our friends. Don't show me a refugees and rainbow gathering of people uncovered by photographer on the way to South America and such of film makings. All knowledge of primitive life start and end in the civilization of Egypt, Greece, Roman and Hebrew. Any other you see was due to environmental and social factors in an isolated cases and not necessarily their way of life. These are links on nudity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAggJhgDIyI
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/nude-tribal-women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdCA7fAEog
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/naked-african-tribes
http://www./video/x32asuc
http://www./video/x3m0yuv
http://jaguda.com/uncategorized/naked-tribe-discovered-in-nigeria/


Again, give me a culture that uses indiscrinate sex as a way of life in history and till date and stop being wise by half. I read and been taught civilisation of the world in school and there was no where such act was mentioned as a way of life of any people. I am expecting your history that taught that a certain people engaged in indiscriminate sex and that became their way of life. I know, no single one.
And on the issue of contention, I'll repost my initial comment which was well researched and I expect you to give me concrete evidence than just a fluke.

"
1. The early cultures don't go totally Unclad. In the primitive age you referred, their private parts are covered with leaves while their young girls used leaves to cover their Tips.
So, you still need to answer the guy why humans put on coverings why animals don't till date? Specifically to cover their private parts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Egypt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Greece

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world
2. There is no such culture that they use indiscriminate sex as a way of life. Orgy happen when there is breakdown of law and order or in a social gathering. I wish you show me a culture where orgy become their way of life.
3. I think your argument here makes no sense at all. The group you referred to picking food on the street for a reason which is not limited to untold factors and not because it was natural phenomenon.

Now to the mean issue. No woman born of a woman that doesn't experience birth pains. The pain only varies from women to women. The pain of A woman may be severe while that of B woman may be less severe. There is no painless delivery during birth. Take time and ask women around you and also browse it. Read through the link below:
http://m.kidshealth.org/en/parents/childbirth-pain.html?WT.ac=

But you cannot argue that not all animals go through pain during delivery. This should have given you distinction between human being and other animals.

I would have given you some Bible passages that gave reasons for the pains women go through during birth giving but I don't want to go biblical and rather scientific."

NPComplete:
Now this is how you know someone who thinks. You have asked the right sensible questions that anyone who uses their brain has been asking.

The stories in the bible are just myths and folktales that has been adopted as canon. Nothing more.

This is the same kind of question I ask about virginity. Some Christians believe that the hymen was created for a special spiritual purpose and even take it further by comparing the breaking of the hymen to some sort of ritual or covenant. Then I ask: why do animals have hymen too? What spiritual purpose does it serve in them?

The religious mind is just crazy.

If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat. Your scientists used to believe the earth is on the back of three giant elephants, later, they got to know that the earth hangs on nothing.... Guess what, that book you called a story book has said it, even before science that the earth hangs on nothing.

Use your brain well sir.

loffyloffy:
You should ask further questions..like did they (Adam and Eve) die after eating the 'apple'

It won't be smart to take pain in child birth literally ..it could just be the general pains of life..and frankly women have a lot to worry about
.compared to animals

Here we go

So tell me which parts of the bible are taken literally and not ?

realmindz:


your argument lacks common sense that an attempt to prove it wrong would amount to foolishness

Prov 26: 4-5

There is no good way to answer fools when they say something stupid. If you answer them, then you, too, will look like a fool. If you don’t answer them, they will think they are smart.

If you have nothing intelligent to say, kindly get off my mentions

greenhulk:


Abeg no vex, I'm a novice and willing to learn so pls educate me. Where in the Bible did God ask Adam and Eve to be fruitful and Multiply?

Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Gen3:1-6. That was when God cast the spell on them and chased them out of the garden. Prior to this time nothing was said about multiplying or mating, in fact the Bible made us know they never even knew they were naked until they ate the fruit.

Gen 9:7 and I quote "As for you, be fruitful and increase in number, multiply on earth and increase upon it". This message was for Noah and that was several years after Adam and Eve.. this was after the great storm.

Gen 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

charytea:

But u believe witches turn to animals and attack people?
Or u also dont believe witches exist?

I have no reason to blv in such thing

Maximus85:


If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat. Your scientists used to believe the earth is on the back of three giant elephants, later, they got to know that the earth hangs on nothing.... Guess what, that book you called a story book has said it, even before science that the earth hangs on nothing.

Use your brain well sir.

The bible mentioned the earth is spherical in shape are you kidding me right now,okay let me not argue with you on that,but then I will tell u stop trying to use logic and science to prove the bible,for ur own good,however if u would wish to do so and accept that u would be completely logical in ur argument and not at some point start bringing up myths,then I would be interested in showing you the numerous scientific flaws the bible made

And still on that issue,maximus,I don't know the way some of u christians think,I will agree that there are bible verses that can be given the interpretation as saying the earth is spherical, but far more passages of the bible outrightly claim the eartg has "corners" suggesting it is flat,incase u don't know this was the position of the church and all christians,so when Galileo came up with the ideology that one man like that had propounded (I can't remember his right name) about the earth being round he was placed under house arrest by the Catholic church,hundreds of years later science not religion makes everyone realize the earth is not flat as the bible and christians say but round fixong the shambles religion has been causing and here is one Christian opening his mouth to tell us the bible said the earth was round,if it were so why didn't any religious folk discover that before science did,I bet if u were in 5th century Rome u wouldn't say such stuff

Maximus85:


If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat. Your scientists used to believe the earth is on the back of three giant elephants, later, they got to know that the earth hangs on nothing.... Guess what, that book you called a story book has said it, even before science that the earth hangs on nothing.

Use your brain well sir.

For the third time I must comment on this post of yours to show you just how flawed it is,u claim the bible says the earth is round but it was only decades ago that the scientists confirmed that,then I would ask,if that passage that the bible made that claim is clear and truly interpreted as what u said,how come since the time the bible was being written and compiled no one noted that while reading it,rather it was only a few decades ago (going by what u said ) that scientists established the earth is round,and why do u even blv that report,I mean we are talking about astrology,which we all know has theories that disprove the bible ,much less science generally. All christians are the same just like what Butterfly1on had said earlier. u christians would always try to use science to validate the bible,but when it comes to evolution and other stuff that negate the bible,u dismiss science immediately

Now that's what I like to see. Objective evidence scientifically ascertained.

So, you measured the pain of your pigs with a painometer and compared it with the reading you got for the pain you measured for humans and found that of the human to be more.

Please tell, I'm curious. When any of your pigs die in childbirth, did you measure the death with a deadometer and find the dead pig was not as dead as a dead human too?

butterflyl1on:


Jumping around calling any counter post to yours "stupid" is just a show of your bully and childish mentality. Talking about Genesis 3, I would like to post that particular portion of scripture. I believe it was written in English language when translated so let's consider the words together.



I deliberately made bold some words there. Childbirth already had pains associated with it and the Bible never hinted at NO pain. It says I will make YOUR PAINS in childbearing very severe.

This means the pains woman go through today during child and the painful labour was not meant to be as severe as that.

It is on record that the pain levels during labour or delivery ranks extremely high for humans than for animals. Animals never reach the pain threshold where they end up screaming. They get uncomfortable and do feel a bit of pain but not like humans.

So for even animals, a bit of pain is expected same way for humans pain was already there but God simply said HE WOULD INCREASE THE PAIN WHICH ALREADY EXISTED.

It's English but a lot of people still fail to see what is right before their eyes.

I run and own a piggery and have seen my pigs give birth a lot and it is always pain free and at most a bit uncomfortable. My gilts and my sow (those who have given birth before) never scream in pain. They may grunt during childbirth but that's just about it.

cc royalamour

butterflyl1on:
NPComplete let me simplify this.

This is what God said.

1. I will greatly multiply thy sorrow.
2. I will greatly multiply thy conception.

Those are two separate comments talking about 2 different issues.

1 is sorrow (unknown initially)
The second is length of conception (which has no sorrow attached to it but just an increase in conception)

This discussion is about sorrow and not increase in conception.

God now went further to specifically say the area this sorrow would be for and he said it would be for childbirth.

This is pretty simple.

The moment the term MULTIPLY was used it should show you that there was an already established and existing parameter this multiplication was to work on.

"2. I will greatly multiply thy conception."

Could mean "increase the number of times you conceive"

??

Oops. I see you addressed it here, my bad.

It could still mean that however.

butterflyl1on:
NPCcomplete before you refute anything you hate you need to first pause and at least attempt to be intelligent about it.

Why would God specifically talk about multiplying conception? The natural thing that follows conception is childbirth isn't it? If the woman had general sorrows initially why then was God specific about the comment "AND CONCEPTION"?.

he could have said "and eye sight, or and heart, or an anything else. Why conception?

This was because his focus was on her childbirth and which is why her multiplied sorrow is for her childbirth. So despite an increase in conception, her delivery would be very uncomfortable and with increased pain.

I am sure that by now you now I speak the truth but would still wish to hold your irreligious view as best you can.

butterflyl1on:


The only problem I have with you atheists is your deceptive and lying ways. You guys have already made your conclusion that everything the Bible said is a lie. Even the most reasonable ones so whenever a counter argument is thrown at you guys you bring up such illogical and deceptive modes of reasoning as long as it favours your atheism.

How can a grown man be telling me that since a parrot tends to speak (even though it repeats what it hears, it still does so by speaking) that a fellow animal like a snake could not possible be able to speak as well and be able to use this to converse with a human as a parrot would.

Parrots don't converse! They repeat random words they have learnt.

ihatesycophant:


You're just being clever by half. I took time to show you links to buttress my point but you telling me there are primitive people that unclad even till date but you refused telling who they are, where they reside all over the world. I think too much of film watching is giving you too much of hope. I quoted links of cultures of civilization of Egypt, Greek and Hebrew and all items of coverings were did mentioned in them and there was no where it was stated they are totally naked. Show me a culture where they are totally unclad and not directing me to google. If I can't google I won't be here. Give me the culture and stop being wise by half. Google is our friends. Don't show me a refugees and rainbow gathering of people uncovered by photographer on the way to South America and such of film makings. All knowledge of primitive life start and end in the civilization of Egypt, Greece, Roman and Hebrew. Any other you see was due to environmental and social factors in an isolated cases and not necessarily their way of life. These are links on nudity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAggJhgDIyI
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/nude-tribal-women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdCA7fAEog
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/naked-african-tribes
http://www./video/x32asuc
http://www./video/x3m0yuv
http://jaguda.com/uncategorized/naked-tribe-discovered-in-nigeria/


Again, give me a culture that uses indiscrinate sex as a way of life in history and till date and stop being wise by half. I read and been taught civilisation of the world in school and there was no where such act was mentioned as a way of life of any people. I am expecting your history that taught that a certain people engaged in indiscriminate sex and that became their way of life. I know, no single one.
And on the issue of contention, I'll repost my initial comment which was well researched and I expect you to give me concrete evidence than just a fluke.

"
1. The early cultures don't go totally Unclad. In the primitive age you referred, their private parts are covered with leaves while their young girls used leaves to cover their Tips.
So, you still need to answer the guy why humans put on coverings why animals don't till date? Specifically to cover their private parts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Egypt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Greece

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_the_ancient_world
2. There is no such culture that they use indiscriminate sex as a way of life. Orgy happen when there is breakdown of law and order or in a social gathering. I wish you show me a culture where orgy become their way of life.
3. I think your argument here makes no sense at all. The group you referred to picking food on the street for a reason which is not limited to untold factors and not because it was natural phenomenon.

Now to the mean issue. No woman born of a woman that doesn't experience birth pains. The pain only varies from women to women. The pain of A woman may be severe while that of B woman may be less severe. There is no painless delivery during birth. Take time and ask women around you and also browse it. Read through the link below:
http://m.kidshealth.org/en/parents/childbirth-pain.html?WT.ac=

But you cannot argue that not all animals go through pain during delivery. This should have given you distinction between human being and other animals.

I would have given you some Bible passages that gave reasons for the pains women go through during birth giving but I don't want to go biblical and rather scientific."

Lots of talk. Still haven't done the research. Either that or u are selectively seeing only the ones that cover a part of their body. Even the Amazonian tribes walk around stark nude.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2654186/incredible-pics-show-how-remote-tribe-in-ecuadorian-rainforest-has-learned-to-hunt-monkeys-with-blowpipesand-even-feasts-on-toucans/amp/

You are at best dishonest and at worse incompetent if u claim u couldnt find stark nude tribes on the internet.

I despise dishonest people. People who cannot face a fact head on but pretend it doesn't exist are worse than scum. Lazy pseudointellectuals that rush into conversation without research are abhorrent.
It will be more pitiful if u really couldn't find those pictures on the internet though. It will mean our education has been breeding severely incompetent people who don't know their asses from their elbows.

I can't have a discussion with a person like u. I am sorry. I fear it will reduce the quality of conversations I usually have.

Maximus85:


If the Bible is a story book, then the writers must have been damn good seers, because many things written thousands of years ago are happening now. You're one of the true stories... People who would contest the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that the earth is spherical in shape many decades before scientists came realize it after decades of believing the earth is flat. Your scientists used to believe the earth is on the back of three giant elephants, later, they got to know that the earth hangs on nothing.... Guess what, that book you called a story book has said it, even before science that the earth hangs on nothing.

Use your brain well sir.

Lol. I like how halfwits come around to advice people on how to use their brain.

Confucius said, "when u stay long at the side of a river, even the body of ur enemies will flow by".
Given enough time any prophecy may seem to come to pass. Even Nostradamus prophecy just need time for something like that to occur. There are too many people and events in the world that if even u prophesy today and wait centuries, it will happen.
By the way, the Quran has been better at predicting some "scientific things" than the bible. Does that make the Quran true?

butterflyl1on:


If all animals inclusive of lions were to eat herbs do you think man would have need to be afraid of lions or carnivores today? Or would you then argue and say that the lions could not have obeyed and lived with Adam in harmony if they ate herbs?

In the videos I posted even as carnivores lions can still be subject to man when they learn to love you.

I know where you argument is headed and I decided to end it quickly for you.

If you know anything about the digestive system of carnivorous animals like Lions you'll know that they can NOT even digest herbs. If they eat herbs they will die. You don't need to go to such great extent to defend obvious mythology of the ancient Jews that KNOW nothing about the reality of the world .

So it is two Jewish people that are responsible for the human race abi? Listen to your self and cry. You are a ridiculous mor0n.

butterflyl1on:



How can a grown man be telling me that since a parrot tends to speak (even though it repeats what it hears, it still does so by speaking) that a fellow animal like a snake could not possible be able to speak as well and be able to use this to converse with a human as a parrot would.

A snake can NOT speak, it is impossible just the same way that a human being can not fly like a bird from point A to point B. It is impossible for a snake to talk. Provide a snake talking and having a conversation or shut up. Snakes ONLY talk in book of mythology, fiction and folklore. In such books sbakes not only talk but converse with humans, donkeys also converse with humans, a human being lives inside a big fish for 3 days, stars fight along side humans in wars, the sun stands still so that people can go on their genocidal killings, a flood covered the whole earth like 4500 years ago and the whole of humanity had to start afresh from the family of a about 8 people, a man walks on water, turns water into wine, died and resurrected from the dead, heals people at will, resurrects another dead man from the dead, walk on water, PROMISED those that believe in him the ability to do GREATER THINGS than him if only they believe in him.

There is nothing that shows that christianity is a LIE and the Jesus is a LIAR, like the failure of that promise. . All these things ONLY happen in the book of mythology and fiction and and in reality.

JudgementHammer:

Since you can think, you should have also thought of why you have to wear clothes to cover ur nakkeedness unlike animals, why u have d highest developed brain among animals and why you can't pick foods from the floor or have sex on the streets without being shy. The same proof that equates you with animals as long as labour pain is concerned, should competently equate you with them in those areas too. Your thinking is half-done just like an animal's thinking shd be.

Do you know that animals desires to get food existed with them before God created man on d 6th day. When God created Lions and other animals in d world, they immediately began their struggle to fight for prey and the preys with immediate sense to elude their predators. They were also created with their physiological responses to childbirth.

Man alone was d one created out of special consideration..God said now let's create man In our image and likeness, why were animals not so lucky? After creating them in his likeness, he also put them in a special garden called eden guarded by angels. They were so special, they were d only one that could talk and with the highest developed brain. In the same special way, he made them without labour pain until they brought themselves under the curse by eating the forbidden fruit as recorded in the bible and also had to be clothed unlike animals.

You don't have to try so hard to convince anyone dear. Anyone can believe what he/she likes. We walk by Faith and not by sight and Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. (Hebrews 11:1). Faith isn't common sense cos it doesn't deal with the physical but operates in the spiritual. These people arguing strongly with you have so many areas aside religion where they need clarifications and yet wouldn't pay much attention to them but once it's about the Bible, everyone turns to an arguer just to discredit God. Let everyone believe want he/she wants, it's no crime. When the time comes, we'd know who regrets and who smiles.

butterflyl1on:


Darkchild64 I am speechless for you. I don't think you have the mental capacity needed to argue with me. Please the next time you see my moniker looking at a thread you are also on, quietly exit before I comment.

Why isn't his self confessed mentally unstable person talking about mental capacity? You are here trying to defend ancient Jewish mythology, fiction and folklore and you are still talking about mental capacity needed to argue. What mental capacity is needed when talking about fictional mythology and folklore?

destinyy23:
You don't have to try so hard to convince anyone dear. Anyone can believe what he/she likes. We walk by Faith and not by sight and Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. (Hebrews 11:1). Faith isn't common sense cos it doesn't deal with the physical but operates in the spiritual. These people arguing strongly with you have so many areas aside religion where they need clarifications and yet wouldn't pay much attention to them but once it's about the Bible, everyone turns to an arguer just to discredit God. Let everyone believe want he/she wants, it's no crime. When the time comes, we'd know who regrets and who smiles.

Alright thanks. I appreciate this

budaatum:

Parrots don't converse! They repeat random words they have learnt.

Parrots don't just "repeat random words" they actually do have conversations. Take a look


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyFbnMrN7gU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4txdbWDE2Q

"So God created man in His own image;...So God blessed them, and said to them, " Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and SUBDUE it; have DOMINION over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. " Genesis 1:27-28.

Man was given authority to subjugate creation. He was given the authority to reign over creation as king and leader.

It is of a surety that flaws and successes rest solely on a leader's shoulders and there is always a ripple effect of a leader's action even on the littlest of those he leads.

The fall of Adam and Eve has a ripple effect on all creation hence the suffering creation is subjected to.


"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, NOT WILLINGLY, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;...For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now" Romans 8:19-22.

Directly or indirectly, your subjects are affected by the decisions you make. By extension, a careful meditation on this should help Nigeria.

"So God created man in His own image;...So God blessed them, and said to them, " Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and SUBDUE it; have DOMINION over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. " Genesis 1:27-28.

Man was given authority to subjugate creation. He was given the authority to reign over creation as king and leader.

It is of a surety that flaws and successes rest solely on a leader's shoulders and there is always a ripple effect of a leader's action even on the littlest of those he leads.

The fall of Adam and Eve has a ripple effect on all creation hence the suffering creation is subjected to.


"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, NOT WILLINGLY, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;...For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now" Romans 8:19-22.

Directly or indirectly, your subjects are affected by the decisions you make. By extension, a careful meditation on this should help Nigeria.

dalaman:


A snake can NOT speak, it is impossible just the same way that a human being can not fly like a bird from point A to point B. It is impossible for a snake to talk. Provide a snake talking and having a conversation or shut up. Snakes ONLY talk in book of mythology, fiction and folklore. In such books sbakes not only talk but converse with humans, donkeys also converse with humans, a human being lives inside a big fish for 3 days, stars fight along side humans in wars, the sun stands still so that people can go on their genocidal killings, a flood covered the whole earth like 4500 years ago and the whole of humanity had to start afresh from the family of a about 8 people, a man walks on water, turns water into wine, died and resurrected from the dead, heals people at will, resurrects another dead man from the dead, walk on water, PROMISED those that believe in him the ability to do GREATER THINGS than him if only they believe in him.

There is nothing that shows that christianity is a LIE and the Jesus is a LIAR, like the failure of that promise. . All these things ONLY happen in the book of mythology and fiction and and in reality.

You rant and attempt to provoke a hostile response from me but I will not fall for that.

Hate the scriptures all you want. Imagine it to be unreal all you want, that would not mean it is not real. Your very heady position against it as an atheist cannot vaporise it no matter how hard you try.

Daily people have experiences connected to it and receive joy (something a lot of you atheists are obviously lacking).

In all the comments I read here from atheists all I see is hate, pain, sorrow, deep misery as they try to project their sorrow and misery on everyone else and also on a God they already decided does not exist yet cannot stop talking about and cannot stop hating.

I have made my comment to those I deemed fit and you are simply a troll to be ignored. Enjoy!