charytea:

You didn't answer my question!

Did you answer mine first?

charytea:

Wat that an insult or not?

Yes! And I referred to it as an insult already

charytea:

In my reply to your original post, was I rude to you?

Yes! And I said so already

charytea:

[s]
When you do that, I'll continue this chat.
I don't worship a god but The True God!
I truly don't know why you keep bringing My God into this!
You are truly pained!
And this is the last reply I'll grant you, I can't keep wasting my time on you..
P.S for whoever that comes across this Post. I want you to learn that everyman is entitled to his beliefs,
constitutionally, I have the freedom of religion, worship whatever I believe in peacefully
now when someone else tries to abuse my belief, and question it. I have every right to defend it whether it is logical to you or not.
Stick to what you believe and let Me stick to mine peacefully[/s]
Thanks

Rants.

Readers required please

The True Story of a Gentle Vegetarian Lioness (Quest Books) by Georges H. Westbeau in pdf format download

MuttleyLaff:
It is excessively conceited, being absorbed in oneself and unbefitting conduct to remain in same position, when faced with stark reality

No.
The state of things, as they actually exist, I reiterate, is that,
everyone and everything shares the effect, result or outcome of the incident that occurred between the trio in the garden.

We feel pain differently,
which is why, some faint, at a mere sight of a hypodermic syringe or needle, whilst some take same injection, without batting an eyelid
and why, some undergo eye surgery needing the benefit of an anesthesia to induce temporary loss of sensation or awareness and some dont.

The punishment is the same for everyone

The ground, inarguably is accursed
Whatever came out of the ground (i.e. animals)
whatever is made off the ground (i.e. human beings) are subjected to the curse, in varying state of undergoing pain, distress or hardship

None is exempted from the original curse

Are you saying all forms of pain are a result of the original curse?
I ask because the pain threshold differences among people apply to all forms of pain and not birth pain alone.

budaatum:
Readers required please

The True Story of a Gentle Vegetarian Lioness (Quest Books) by Georges H. Westbeau in pdf format download

Done.

Points to note

1. She ate a mixture of grain and half a gallon of milk with eggs.

2. Every day she would spend an hour in the field eating grass to condition her stomach

3. She was very domesticated

4. She loved all other animals and never made any attempt to hurt any.

5. She lost all her predatory and carnivorous instincts and desires.

6. Nobody feared her (except one) due to her acceptance of everyone brought about by the love she was raised with.

I guess the grass / herbs she ate did not kill her after all

Cc dalaman come and read this "fake" story.

@budatum,


Do not bother!!! It is pure bullshit!!! A disgusting fraud!!!


[/b]These numerous grains were ground and stirred together while in the dry state, then cooked and mixed with the milk and eggs. The lioness was fed this mixture each morning and evening, and sometimes at midday as well. (To condition her teeth and gums—as she steadfastly refused all offers of bones to gnaw—Little Tyke was given heavy rubber boots to chew on, which generally lasted about three weeks.) The lioness not only survived on this diet, she thrived.[b]


He who mixes grains with milk and eggs.....................................................................AND THEN CLAIMS THAT THE MIXTURE IS GRASS, IS A FRAUD!!!

butterflyl1on:


Like I said, read all I posted on this matter. Here is a bit of it.





She could not have been drinking 500 gallons of milk or 4000 eggs a day plus tuarine was relatively unknown in 1950 and was known in 1976. Yet she lived for 9 years and was reported as the healthiest African lion ever seen by a world famous zoo curator.

Cc budaatum

See the lies you tell? why is there no link to your quote on taurine in eggs?

Here is a picture for you to show you that eggs and milk contain adequate taurine

superhumanist:



See the lies you tell? why is there no link to your quote on taurine in eggs?

Here is a picture for you to show you that eggs and milk contain adequate taurine

LMAO. Do you know the volume of taurine a feline requires in her daily diet?

You are showing the daily requirements for a little cat. Not for a lion get your facts right.

Eggs and milk contain little amounts of taurine too small for a daily requirement for lions. To get the daily required levels for lions they need at least 500 gallons of milk daily and 4000 eggs daily. Why do you think lions eat.

Humans need about 3000 mg of daily taurine dosage and if lions are twice or thrice the weight and size of some humans, how much daily dosage of taurine would you "intelligently" think they need?

Why do you think that lions eat at least 15 kg of meat daily in the wild?

Do not bother!!! It is pure bullshit!!! A disgusting fraud!!!


[/b]These numerous grains were ground and stirred together while in the dry state, then cooked and mixed with the milk and eggs. The lioness was fed this mixture each morning and evening, and sometimes at midday as well. (To condition her teeth and gums—as she steadfastly refused all offers of bones to gnaw—Little Tyke was given heavy rubber boots to chew on, which generally lasted about three weeks.) The lioness not only survived on this diet, she thrived.[b]


He who mixes grains with milk and eggs.....................................................................AND THEN CLAIMS THAT THE MIXTURE IS GRASS, IS A FRAUD!!![/quote]

Embarrasment is when you cherry pick a portion of the story just to lie with it when the same story has been made available for everyone. Here is where you left out in order to cover your lie and paint it as the truth.


To condition her teeth and gums we gave her heavy, rubber boots
in place of the bones which she had steadfastly refused to gnaw. One
boot would last this strange vegetarian from three weeks to a month. To
start her gnawing on a new one we always sprinkled it with sweet-
smelling perfume. [b]To condition her stomach she would spend an hour at
a time eating the succulent tall grass in the fields[/b]

You are the fraud!

: Dalaman what say thou

budaatum:
Readers required please

The True Story of a Gentle Vegetarian Lioness (Quest Books) by Georges H. Westbeau in pdf format download

interesting story. just finished reading.

Show us the faking pictures of the sharp-toothed lion eating the grass!!!

vaxx:
interesting story. just finished reading.

Hi vaxx so what's your take? At least you can be honest unlike some persons I know here.

One of the religious lunatics who was promoting this garbage about "ewedu eating tigers", claimed that [/b]taurine is non-existent in natural non-animal sources.[b]

The link:...............................................http://www.vegetarismus.ch/vegepet/tyke.htm



But sadly for him(or is it her), taurine can also be gotten from seaweed and brewer yeast!!!.........................................https://woman.thenest.com/natural-sources-taurine-7289.html


QUESTION: Which Nairalander followed "Madam Egusi Jaguar" to eat the meal and ascertain that there was no animal flesh in the meal?

superhumanist:



See the lies you tell? why is there no link to your quote on taurine in eggs?

Here is a picture for you to show you that eggs and milk contain adequate taurine

Recommended taurine daily intake is 400mg/ kg

A lion at full size weighs about 190 kg

400mg x 190kg = 76,000mg of taurine intake daily.

Is this figure same as what is in your image?

Tyke was given half a gallon of milk daily along with eggs.

Let me leave the eggs first and focus on the milk.

8 normal cups make half a gallon and 1 cup contains 400mg of taurine so 8 x 400

That would give you 3,200 mg of taurine .

Take 3200 from 76000 what you have is 72,800 mg remaining.

Eggs contain approximately 400mg as well so let's divide by 400mg.

72,800 / 400 would give you 182 eggs or roughly 15 dozen eggs.

She had to eat 15 dozen eggs and half gallon of milk daily to achieve this and even you and I know nobody can afford 15 dozen eggs consistently daily except you are mad rich and according to the story, this family that raised tyke were financially crippled

butterflyl1on:


Hi vaxx so what's your take? At least you can be honest unlike some persons I know here.

why do you quote the clown above me. interested people willing to know the story will read it themselves. the story actually flawed science that state obligate carnivores can not survive without meat because they will not be able to derive some certain essential compound like amino acid which will help them grow big. but little tyke grows big. wonderful .i will like to also know if herbivorous animal can be trained on how to eat meat? well, i do not think little tyke story alone is enough.

Butter, you are trying to make out this lion stood in a field eating grass like a cow would. Even what you posted says it only spent an hour eating grass, which by anyone's reckoning, is not sufficient food (not to talk of nutrients) for a lion. You have posted that they fed it eggs too, which we now know, is a source of taurine. Guess we need to know how many eggs they fed it.

I read somewhere a lion needs 15kg of meat a day. If the lion ate eggs (@64g per egg) alone, that would equal a whopping 234.375 eggs! A more reasonable tenth of its diet being eggs (and it would not surprise me if over half its diet was eggs!) sure would be sufficient to avoid the more drastic consequences of complete taurine deficiency. Though, the fact that it died at the early age of 9 indicates that it might have caught up with it in the end.

vaxx:
why do you quote the clown above me. interested people willing to know the story will read it themselves. the story actually flawed science that state obligate carnivores can not survive without meat because they will not be able to derive some certain essential compound like amino acid which will help them grow big. but little tyke grows big. wonderful .i will like to also know if herbivorous animal can be trained on how to eat meat? well i do not think little tyke story alone is enough.

Case closed!

I appreciate your candid words sir. Very few people these days are honest even when everything is written in black and white and verifiable to all. Thank you.

According to this article, the Westbeaus made money from selling pictures of the lion' lying down with a lamb!!!


The link:.......................................................http://criswaller..com.ng/2007/07/creationism-vs-evolution-discussion_2141.html


As usual, no evidence of a lion eating grass, just noise and throwing of emotional tantrums!!!

budaatum:
Butter, you are trying to make out this lion stood in a field eating grass like a cow would. Even what you posted says it only spent an hour eating grass, which by anyone's reckoning, is not sufficient food (not to talk of nutrients) for a lion. You have posted that they fed it eggs too, which we now know, is a source of taurine. Guess we need to know how many eggs they fed it.

I read somewhere a lion needs 15kg of meat a day. If the lion ate eggs (@64g per egg) alone, that would equal a whopping 234.375 eggs! A more reasonable tenth of its diet being eggs (and it would not surprise me if over half its diet was eggs!) sure would be sufficient to avoid the more drastic consequences of complete taurine deficiency. Though, the fact that it died at the early age of 9 indicates that it might have caught up with it in the end.

She died from a pneumonia infection during a movie shoot due to exposure to excessive cold weather and her rigorous routine and not from deficiency in taurine.

Deficiency in taurine kills lions in weeks and not years.

butterflyl1on:


72,800 / 400 would give you 182 eggs or roughly 15 dozen eggs.

She had to eat 15 dozen eggs and half gallon of milk daily to achieve this and even you and I know nobody can afford 15 dozen eggs consistently daily except you are mad rich and according to the story, this family that raised tyke were financially crippled

Oh good. You done the same calculations. However, your conclusion here is outright fallacious! it would cost a lot more if you were feeding it meat, and people very well can afford it.

Besides, Little Tyke paid her own way from the numerous paid work it did. It even raised funds for a hospice!

Haven't seen anywhere for the financially crippled.

butterflyl1on:


Deficiency in taurine kills lions in weeks and not years.

She wasn't completely deficient so it might have taken 9 years.

budaatum:

Oh good. You done the same calculations. However, your conclusion here is outright fallacious! it would cost a lot more if you were feeding it meat, and people very well can afford it.

Besides, Little Tyke paid her own way from the numerous paid work it did. It even raised funds for a hospice!

Haven't seen anywhere for the financially crippled.

I guess she grew to a full size overnight to have paid it's way and enabled the family not to waste resources on her.

butterflyl1on:


Recommended taurine daily intake is 400mg/ kg

A lion at full size weighs about 190 kg

400mg x 190kg = 76,000mg of taurine intake daily.

Is this figure same as what is in your image?

Tyke was given half a gallon of milk daily along with eggs.

Let me leave the eggs first and focus on the milk.

8 normal cups make half a gallon and 1 cup contains 400mg of taurine so 8 x 400

That would give you 3,200 mg of taurine .

Take 3200 from 76000 what you have is 72,800 mg remaining.

Eggs contain approximately 400mg as well so let's divide by 400mg.

72,800 / 400 would give you 182 eggs or roughly 15 dozen eggs.

She had to eat 15 dozen eggs and half gallon of milk daily to achieve this and even you and I know nobody can afford 15 dozen eggs consistently daily except you are mad rich and according to the story, this family that raised tyke were financially crippled

By your daft calculations, meat too would have been too expensive to give lions.

1 cup of milk has similar amount of taurine as 1 cup of meat.



Guy, stop this nonsense nah

budaatum:

She wasn't completely deficient so it might have taken 9 years.

She was NEVER deficient especially for the famous zoo curator Jack Hana to say and I quote " this is the healthiest African lion I have ever seen".

butterflyl1on:



Done.

Points to note

1. She ate a mixture of grain and half a gallon of milk with eggs.

2. Every day she would spend an hour in the field eating grass to condition her stomach

3. She was very domesticated

4. She loved all other animals and never made any attempt to hurt any.

5. She lost all her predatory and carnivorous instincts and desires.

6. Nobody feared her (except one) due to her acceptance of everyone brought about by the love she was raised with.

I guess the grass / herbs she ate did not kill her after all

Cc dalaman come and read this "fake" story.

How and when did lions become cannivourours since they were created originally as plant eaters according to the bible?

TomHagen:
Are you saying all forms of pain are a result of the original curse?

Yes.
Pain, whatever the form or genre,
whether it is emotional pain/torment, physical pain, the pain of loss etcetera
fundamentally, is part of the result of the original curse

TomHagen:
I ask
because the pain threshold differences among people apply to all forms of pain and not birth pain alone.

Exactly,
and more the reason, why I gave the illustrations about each feeling pain differently,
which is why, some faint, at a mere sight of a hypodermic syringe or needle, whilst some take same injection, without batting an eyelid
and why, some undergo eye surgery needing the benefit of an anesthesia to induce temporary loss of sensation or awareness and some dont.

Pain, in fact, was dormant and not active before eating of the fruit
Pain, the whole shebang, came in to effect, after the loss of the glorious clothing

butterflyl1on:


LMAO. Do you know the volume of taurine a feline requires in her daily diet?

You are showing the daily requirements for a little cat. Not for a lion get your facts right.

Eggs and milk contain little amounts of taurine too small for a daily requirement for lions. To get the daily required levels for lions they need at least 500 gallons of milk daily and 4000 eggs daily. Why do you think lions eat.

Humans need about 3000 mg of daily taurine dosage and if lions are twice or thrice the weight and size of some humans, how much daily dosage of taurine would you "intelligently" think they need?

Why do you think that lions eat at least 15 kg of meat daily in the wild?

What nonsense are you saying? By that pic alone, milk has similar amount of taurine as meat.

can anybody answer how little tyke survive without eating meat? the grass issue is debatable, one hour of tall grass consumption is not enough evidence. and my second question, can herbivorous animal be trained to eat meat ?

I don't have the unqualified faith you have in vaxx, however, he ended the piece you quoted with a get out clause!

vaxx:
well, i do not think little tyke story alone is enough.

So how can you claim "case closed"?

butterflyl1on:

Case closed!

Vaxx, perhaps you want to explain what you meant there?

Some comments I saw online about [/b]the lion who loves egusi!!![b]



COMMENT NUMBER 1:Aside from reposts on sites affiliated with those two groups and the book itself, additional corroboration is apparently non-existent.

COMMENT NUMBER 2:In retrospect it's probably just a propaganda piece for the authors views [Which as you might guess, favor christianity, nurture over nature, and moralistic veganism].

COMMENT NUMBER 3:At the time she would normally have been learning to eat meat, she was recovering from a tremendously painful burn-she likely learned to associate the smells of raw flesh with intense pain and, therefore, avoided all contact with raw meat.[/b]Georges Westbeau, her owner, spun all kinds of nonsense about having trained her to eat a vegetarian diet to her being a sign from God[b] (the lion lying down with the lamb and all that). He was definitely a bit of a P.T. Barnum in that respect.

COMENT NUMBER 4: The poor animal apparently had rare severe case of meat and blood allergen deficiency; and it apparently caused her many health problems during her short life ( a lion living in captivity, as she was, can be expected to live for in excess of 20 years; 9 years is a very short life for a lion protected from predators).

superhumanist:



By your daft calculations, meat too would have been too expensive to give lions.

1 cup of milk has similar amount of taurine as 1 cup of meat.



Guy, stop this nonsense nah

LMAO you are just fooling yourself.

She REJECTED MEAT! Don't you still get it?

She did not want to have ANYTHING to do with MEAT, BONES, BLOOD right from when it was a cub. So what rubbish sayest thou?

They already said they gave a daily milk of half a gallon,eggs and cereals and she would go and eat grass in the field for an hour daily BY HERSELF.

yet she thrived without meat. She grew into a lovely specimen. Lost all her predatory instincts and lost her carnivorous ways.

If you don't like it, go back to the past, carry out a brain surgery on her, change her vegetarian ways which she chose herself and live in peace

vaxx:
can anybody answer how little tyke survive without eating meat? the grass issue is debatable, one hour of tall grass consumption is not enough evidence. and my second question, can herbivorous animal be trained to eat meat ?

Thank you.

butterflyl1on:


LMAO you are just fooling yourself.

She REJECTED MEAT! Don't you still get it?

She did not want to have ANYTHING to do with MEAT, BONES, BLOOD right from when it was a cub. So what rubbish sayest thou?

They already said they gave a daily milk of half a gallon,eggs and cereals and she would go and eat grass in the field for an hour daily BY HERSELF.

yet she thrived without meat. She grew into a lovely specimen. Lost all her predatory instincts and lost her carnivorous ways.

If you don't like it, go back to the past, carry out a brain surgery on her, change her vegetarian ways which she chose herself and live in peace

The grass part is a lie. Lions throw up grass as they can't digest it.

Your lies are compounding and so is your foolishness