Mickael2:


this is the last thing I will say about this. Check out that picture and from the news report check where he needed stitches. Then compare the location of the tackle with that of Matuidi and then check if they are the same according to the rule book. If after checking all these you still don't understand then have a nice sunny saturday

Michael2, we all here are critics. We have criticised different things about Nigerian football, our players or coaches, the NFF, and all. We all see it as due to the love of the game and the GWG.

When some people called you a hater of the national team and some players, remember I was one of those that defended you as not being a hater but just a critic.

How can you be defending such evil done against a Nigerian player and you here doing one kind of comparison with where Matuidi tackled him? Is it because it was Onazi, one of the players that have always been on your bad books, that was involved?

My brother, I am beginning to feel I was wrong about my stance about you being a hater all along.

tbaba1234:


Nope, once the ref sees that tackle, it is a straight red.

No ifs or buts..

you know that your interpretation of an intentional handball for example, may differ from my own interpretation right?

For the record, I don't care about your stance, it is your opinion and is squarely yours.

On the matter though....wait sef, do you think I am saying that the foul was a fair one or that it isn't bad? What do you even think is the point I am trying to make?

Icon4s:


Michael2, we all here are critics. We have criticised different things about Nigerian football, our players or coaches, the NFF, and all. We all see it as due to the love of the game and the GWG.

When some people called you a hater of the national team and some players, remember I was one of those that defended you as not being a hater but just a critic.

How can you be defending such evil done against a Nigerian player and you here doing one kind of comparison with one case I don't even want to know about? Is it because it was Onazi, one of the players that have always been on your bad books, that was involved?

My brother, I am beginning to feel I was wrong about my stance about you being a hater all along.

Mickael2:


as always, gross misunderstanding of the case at hand. Who in his right senses would say that that wasn't a bad tackle? What the point is right now is 'was it a sign of corruption that the ref did not send off Matuidi' and that is all I am talking about. I have said this over and again

You saying it was a Yellow and not a Red card offense means you are trivializing the case. That is it.

Mickael2:

you know that your interpretation of an intentional handball for example, may differ from my own interpretation right?

That is not a handball. We are not judging intentions, here.

It was a stud straight into the ankle. Straight red.

Iwobi on the bench..

Mickael2:
For the record, I don't care about your stance, it is your opinion and is squarely yours.

On the matter though....wait sef, do you think I am saying that the foul was a fair one or that it isn't bad? What do you even think is the point I am trying to make?

Do you know what a Yellow card means? It means take caution.

That kind of tackle against Onazi you cannot just ask the player to take caution. You have to send him straight away!

Icon4s:


You saying it was a Yellow and not a Red card offense means you are trivializing the case. That is it.

nooooo. No! Very very far from it, like I have mentioned on some days, for some refs it's a red card, bad bad tackle. Now if you recall this whole argument started when someone said VAR would remove bias against Africa teams and I asked for an instance, therein he provided this Onazi incident. I alluded that the tackle was bad but that the ref not sending him off may have been due to his own interpretation of the foul. I gave you the anatomical reasons why that same foul may not have ended up in an injury which may have changed the refs mind about the idea that matuidi intentionally wanted to injure Onazi. I also gave out part of the rulebook where fouls below the ankle are yellow-card offence. Then I finally added that I would have sent that guy off myself, probably a 1000 other people would send him off but if you slow down and think very well, you'd see some reasons why the guy waved it off. You even added the fact that no nigerian player protested, so now I do not understand why you are accusing me of ridiculing the extent of that foul, seems like you have forgotten the primary bone of contention

Icon4s:


Do you know what a Yellow card means? It means take caution.

That kind of tackle against Onazi you cannot just ask the player to take caution. You have to send him straight away!

you see that misunderstanding?

You know that if you break someone's ankle totally and the ref decides to play the advantage at that particular point in time and the team scores, the ref cannot come back and send off that player again despite how reckless that foul was? That was what happened in the 2006 final between Arsenal and Barca to Lehmann. So I am not viewing the yellow card here as a caution, just trying to point out that it was a bad foul but some refs may have decided to not send him off totally

Mickael2:



nooooo. No! Very very far from it, like I have mentioned on some days, for some refs it's a red card, bad bad tackle. Now if you recall this whole argument started when someone said VAR would remove bias against Africa teams and I asked for an instance, therein he provided this Onazi incident. I alluded that the tackle was bad but that the ref not sending him off may have been due to his own interpretation of the foul. I gave you the anatomical reasons why that same foul may not have ended up in an injury which may have changed the refs mind about the idea that matuidi intentionally wanted to injure Onazi. I also gave out part of the rulebook where fouls below the ankle are yellow-card offence. Then I finally added that I would have sent that guy off myself, probably a 1000 other people would send him off but if you slow down and think very well, you'd see some reasons why the guy waved it off. You even added the fact that no nigerian player protested, so now I do not understand why you are accusing me of ridiculing the extent of that foul, seems like you have forgotten the primary bone of contention

Nope, any ref should give a red card, it is not up to discretion.

The only excuse is if the ref did not see it.

If he saw the tackle, it is a straight red. It is not up for debate.

tbaba1234:


Nope, any ref should give a red card, it is not up to discretion.

The only excuse is if the ref did not see it.

If he saw the tackle, it is a straight red. It is not up for debate.

and you are even adding more reasons for me. Now if you look at that replay, the way Matuidi approached that play made it seem like it wasn't a bad tackle, infact Mikel carried on with the game thinking it was so mild that Onazi would probably stand up later and continue(that was what affected Mikel's opinion because that interview was held immediately after the match even before he got to watch the highlights himself). Ok let's all agree that it is a red card offence, but would you say that the ref was corrupt or maybe there was an agenda because that red card wasn't given? Yes or No(this is actually what the argument is all about and not the Onazi injury)

Mickael2:



and you are even adding more reasons for me. Now if you look at that replay, the way Matuidi approached that play made it seem like it wasn't a bad tackle, infact Mikel carried on with the game thinking it was so mild that Onazi would probably stand up later and continue(that was what affected Mikel's opinion because that interview was held immediately after the match even before he got to watch the highlights himself). Ok let's all agree that it is a red card offence, but would you say that the ref was corrupt or maybe there was an agenda because that red card wasn't given? Yes or No(this is actually what the argument is all about and not the Onazi injury)

It was a horrific tackle. Matuidi would not have gone to apologize to Onazi if it was a normal tackle.

You do not use player reaction to interpret the action of a referee.

By the letter and spirit of the law, it was a red card. Simple as.

tbaba1234:


It was a horrific tackle. Matuidi would not have gone to apologize to Onazi if it was a normal tackle.

You do not use player reaction to interpret the action of a referee.

By the letter and spirit of the law, it was a red card. Simple as.

What if the referee is unsure?

Certitude:

What if the referee is unsure?

That is where player outrage would have helped. It would have forced the ref to ask the opinions of assistants.

Our players' poor reaction did not help matters.

Mickael2:



its on the fifa site, I already got banned for posting a link last week. You may probably argue that one of the rules states that if a player lunges in with the intent of injuring a player then it's a red. But I already pointed out to you that if Onazi's body position was slightly different then it wouldn't have been an injury and that negates that rule

Post the link. Remove dot com, replace slash with semicolon. If you do I can give you 2 rules that could have been applied.

By your assumption, you agree with me that rules can be twisted in self defense just as the ref in Algerian vs Nigeria match did after he awarded a dubious penalty.

maidaboi:
2014 this is 2018 how will you change what had already pass
haba how will not accept that they rob us?

Sometimes you just have to give it to some people as it is. How can someone just pick up a subset of a rule and conclude without going through it in its entirety. It's disgusting that someone will see black and call it white.

Francis Uzoho to start for Deportivo LA corona tomorrow ? Nice one Clarence

Leon Balogun starts

congo4ka:
Francis Uzoho to start for Deportivo LA corona tomorrow ? Nice one Clarence

False info..

tbaba1234:


False info..

It is a question bro?

congo4ka:


It is a question bro?

Oh ok..

He trained with the first team but it is unlikely that he would start.

tbaba1234:


Oh ok..

He trained with the first team but it is unlikely that he would start.

Baba ur informations are top notch, is there any way you have any connection to NFF??
And are you in anyway sexually involved with safariwoman?

Exactly. Spot on you are. I saw Awaziem's reaction from the replays. He was actually mad at Akpeyi's mistake (seem in Hus gestures/gesticulations) but when he confronted the ref he defended Akpeyi and even pointed to the linesman's flag to make a case for Akpeyi.

A real show of team love and an ability to stand up for each other even in the face of a mistake. That is part of what makes a family.

tbaba1234:


Another instance..

Awaziem knew Akpeyi made a mistake, look at his reaction when Akpeyi picked the ball but he was the number 1 defence attorney.

You need characters like that in a team.

Yaaaassss!!!!!! The Super Eagles 21st century dean of defence is back!!!!

tbaba1234:
Leon Balogun starts

congo4ka:

Baba ur informations are top notch, is there any way you have any connection to NFF??
And are you in anyway sexually involved with safariwoman?

You rarely make any useful comment.

congo4ka:

Baba ur informations are top notch, is there any way you have any connection to NFF??
And are you in anyway sexually involved with safariwoman?

you need to be tied with a rope to the back of truck and driven on Benin- Ekpoma road.

Imoh Ezekiel.

Iwobi would've had a great assist if not for that fool Lacazette. Waste of 50m

I understand too that we have Jordan Torunarigha starting yet again in central defence for Hertha BSC in their ongoing Bundesliga tie against Leverkusen.


Also, Kevin Akpoguma is in action for Hoffenheim as they take on Balogun's Mainz 05.

Busy day for Nigeria's league of German-machine defenders.

edi287:
Iwobi would've had a great assist if not for that fool Lacazette. Waste of 50m

What a beautiful pass it was

Balogun has started very well.

So Lacazete nor still won get sense even with the presence of Abumeyang?

So Balogun is playing on the right side of a three man CB.

I would prefer him in the middle for Nigeria.