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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by danvon(m): 9:35am On Feb 12, 2018 |
It's impressive that some people haven't given up talking to atheists The Op has diverted topic it's back to the regular "I know I don't know and I know you don't know too" argument 1 Like |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 9:40am On Feb 12, 2018 |
greiboy:The day I saw into the spirit world through meditation was the day I ceased being a religious person. :Yes, they are called pseudoscience for now because they haven't been recognised or accepted by the mainstream science yet because their claims haven't been probed sufficiently yet to accept it. However, some scientists are already checking through it, for example, doctors and psychologists are already becoming interested in Near Death Experience studies, though all these still count as pseudoscientific to the mainstream science. It is a matter of time anyway. Nowadays, millions of people do spirituality without religion or even without talking about any god, I hope you know that. :Who told you that God is limited to a supernatural being? You have been conditioned to believe so, but it is not so. If God is supernatural alone, then it cannot be THE GREATEST at the same time. Rather, GOD is both Natural, Supernatural, Physical, Material, Psychological, Cosmical(just name it). God is EXISTENCE itself and anything short of that is a limitation or reduction of the massiveness of God. :By saying WHO, you are bringing in the notion that God should be like a human with eyes, nose, legs, mouth and anus, just like humans. In this way, you have reduced God to human. The first cause of Existence is EXISTENCE itself. Nothing could have existed without Existence. If you think that Odin or Allah, or Yahweh or Vishnu or Mazda, Olorun, Atum or Ra or any of these gods who are like us in appearance is the first cause, then we can as well go on to say that WHO CREATED THEM? If you say that any of these human-like gods I mention are not created(which is false) you can as well agree that EXISTENCE was not created(which is true). I should have gone with the explanation of Atum on this issue, but I won't do that here. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Mbcastrol(m): 9:56am On Feb 12, 2018 |
I don't want to deviate from the topic at hand but have any atheist experience black Voodoo in any form? If u don't believe in the EXISTENCE of God, what about the gods of your various villages ? 1 Like |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 10:06am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mbcastrol:Do Witches & Wizards Exist? I Don't Think So! 1 Like 3 Shares |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 10:15am On Feb 12, 2018 |
awesomeJ:If you have the power to make decrees that supernatural forces will enforce, you should decree the creation of a pill that quickly cures all types of cancer and whose side effects are very mild on the human body, by April 1. This will not only convince me; it will convince the whole world! 23 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Mbcastrol(m): 10:17am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Seun: [s][/s] 2 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 10:21am On Feb 12, 2018 |
OtemAtum: 1)if your believe in spirits is backed by mere possibility not probability, then your faith is just as good as mine. I.e. my belief is as good as your believe in spirits. otherwise science and logic can simply dismiss your stories as pure hallucinations. Why do you choose to use hard scientific evidence to dismiss the logical flaws in my religion? Isn't that double standards. 3) if God is everything including a person, like you claimed. Why can't I use the word "who" to classify God and more importantly, have you seen God in flesh before? or do you believe we are gods? I didn't say something existed before existence, I merely asked you what was the first thing to exist after the universe and realms was created? or do you believe everything in the universe came into existence at the same time, which will be going against scientific accounts of evolution. I also will like to know if you believe all the entities in all our universe and realms are equal or have the same powers? Finally, do you believe in ghosts? |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Mbcastrol(m): 10:21am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Seun: Is like saying there's no voodoo |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 10:21am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Seun: Did you visit the place someone told.you about in Ondo state? 2 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 10:23am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mbcastrol: Dude talks like as if he is a kid. If he is so sure of himself, he should visit those places people told him about |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Mbcastrol(m): 10:28am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Chrysaetos: I think a first hand experience would do the needful lol |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 10:30am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mbcastrol: I swear. He sounds so spiritually naive. May he not have to contend with their force oh, you will know this life is far much deeper than the mere eyes can see. 1 Like |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 10:35am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Chrysaetos:My answer on this page |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Mbcastrol(m): 10:39am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Chrysaetos: Very deep and sometimes very unfair , experience might be the best teacher. ... 2 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 11:04am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mbcastrol: That his gentle face under that scenario will be priceless to watch.... |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:09am On Feb 12, 2018 |
greiboy:I don't do the belief stuffs, I only talk about what I know and I ave been a part of. I am not talking about probability here. Yes, science will dismiss my stories, but logic won't dismiss it, because everything I brought from the spiritual realm is logical. I don't remember using hard sciences to reveal the flaws in your religion, rather, I used commonsense and reality and it is not double standard because I am not into religion but into reality(reality is the sum total of logical, natural, supernatural and abstract experiences). So I can talk in the light of any or combinations of these elements since it is a component of reality. :Well...personally, I think that when something is complicated, we use the word 'it' as a pronoun for it, then 'what' should go along with it. Anyway, that's my own opinion though and I use 'What is God?' rather than 'Who is God?' as soon as I realised that God is not just something that could be housed in any element of Existence but it is that EXISTENCE itself. There was a time I was viewing God as 'he' as well, but I have gone past that time due to my increase in the knowledge of God(Existence). :Evolution only means 'change' so it does not invalidate the claim that everything existed at once. For example, a baby in the womb was first a mixture of a sperm and an egg. No matter how large the microscope you use to view that fertilized mixture in the womb, you will never see a distinct human-like eye, leg, nose, head, buttock etc from that mixture, yet everything was already there from the instance fertilization take place. Then by development, you begin to see the bodyparts physically with time till the time the baby is born. Same way is existence. Existence(God) has always been. Then evolution beginning from the big bangs make it to expand and develop into the things which could be seen, yet all these things had been right there from beginning, but we only see them as a vacuum. So, it is not a wrong assertion to say that I, you, Allah, Yahweh, animals, rivers, our thoughts and this moment in time all existed together, then evolution or development brings us to the state of being known. :Power is the rate at which work is being done. The equality of power is what I may not know how to explain in the sense that I can't tell which of this two is more powerful; one was able to supply a vast amount of energy to the earth within six hours but it could not supply 13 billion years true history of the universe within a split second, but the other can do the latter but cannot do the former. Which of them can you term as the more powerful? Or is it someone that can sing and make the whole world weep emotionally or the other that can deceive the whole world with illusions? Which of them is more powerful? I think the topic of power equality is subjective, however, I believe in rank and hierarchy, but anything can make itself as 'powerful' as the one above it in rank. :Nollywood ghosts that appear physically to you in our physical world is not real, but the ghosts you see in dreams or when your state of consciousness has been altered are real, because we don't die. We live forever. We are ghosts to those who are no more here on earth and they are ghosts to us as well because of the differences in the realm where we operate. But the only way to see each other is when we are dreaming, meditating or when we deliberately or accidentally lose consciousness of our presence realms of operation. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:20am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mbcastrol:You don't really know what his definition of witches and wizards are. As far as I am concerned, witches and wizards exist in quote and do not exist as well. If your definition of witches and wizards are a set of people who can kill me and drink my blood spiritually, then such people don't exist. Dem no born them well. But if the definition of witches and wizards are people who can psychologically make others around them fear them by rearing cats, collecting beads and cowries, keeping calabashes, dirty gourds, sleeping in an awkward posture, making incntations like one nairaland babalawos, etc and also make them dream fearful dreams by scaring them with threats which could lead to death, then I will go with you that such witches and wizards exist and anybody can do that. So which of the witches and wizards do you think exist? As for voodoo, it is just a kind of religion with false and exaggerated testimonies to make others fear them, same as Christianity with millions of invisible highly exaggerated testimonies without evidences. Same as traditional religions with exaggerated lies and testimonies. 1 Like |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by dalaman: 11:44am On Feb 12, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Pure comedy. 3 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 12:19pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
OtemAtum:logic is reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity if there is no validity, there is no logic and validity is not opinions or personal encounter, it is factual. 1) ii) You claimed not to have used science to dismiss logic flaws in religion, but you just stated in one of your previous post that assimilation improves grades, not God or religion to dismiss the role the supernatural can play in any exam iii) What makes you think I haven't encounter holy spirit, why should anyone take your personal stories that cannot be independently verified as the truth, at least more than one person have ascertained the encounter with holy spirit Iv) I believe it is double standards because we as humans have different realities, You can't tell me your reality is more real than mine 2) You have confused evolution and big bang theory with birth of a new born child. if evolution means everything started existing at the same time and it only became visible when big enough to see? Are you saying everything in the universe started existing at the same time? Should that not mean that you existed before your mom conceived you? Shouldn't that mean your existence is as old as your parents? Why do we have time, age to separate us then? What about other scientific evidence you deliberately omitted? For example, the earth only came into existence some 4.54 billion years ago, while the universe came into existence some 13.7 billion years ago, Never mind some scientists theory of a multivesrse So perhaps maybe a God or a absolute super power came into existence before the earth ? 3) Everything you wrote about spirits and ghost can be simply dismissed as illogical facts because nothing has been proven by science, the same reason why God or gods have been dismissed by atheist. 4) No, we are not equally as powerful as one another, that is why we have ranks and hierarchy like you have rightly stated In your post. I am not saying we don't all have powers of our own but they are definitely not equal, even among humans. |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by simplex2: 12:25pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Bla bla bla... What time passed? You were busy derailing your thread, attending to everyone's comment; now you just checked your time to realize time had passed? Seun asked you a question about converting to islam and it took you hours to address that particular question. I silently followed this thread, hoping to see something concrete but alas, just like we have all seen in this board over and over again, this is a total failure. I guess you returned from church on sunday after speaking in tongue for hours and felt you could do all things including inviting seun for a challenge and making a decree which would come to pass. No after waking up from sleep, that 'auction' you got from church has disappeared and you have realized you are just as empty as a sounding cymbal. We are waiting for your next 'auction', maybe after next sunday service. 4 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by simplex2: 12:27pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: It was, as suspected, an energy-draining disappointment! He started the thread by 2:30pm, I guess he just returned from church with that 'I can do all things' attitude and decided throw up a challenge. It took the normal Nigeria mosquito to bite common sense into him last night. He just woke up and the rhema left. 7 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by TomHagen: 12:43pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
simplex2:Don't mind the guy. He has enjoyed his 15 minutes. 1 Like |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 1:40pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Deckline: which "God" is warning me,I don't want to abuse anyone but you are leading me on,get it straight I DON'T BELIEVE IN "GOD" STOP DISTURBING ME WITH YOUR RELIGION 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 1:45pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
awesomeJ: we might as well say that for "God" soon is 1trillion years, funny thing is this,the Apocalypse that Christianity preaches was even borrowed from another religion,and even from the bible Jesus predicted that his coming would be within the lifetime of his disciples, please dispute this one let me take you to the bible 3 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by hopefulLandlord: 1:55pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
simplex2: Lmao! 2 Likes |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Akanniade(m): 2:19pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
awesomeJ: You should know better than citing a scenario where people's miseries are being cashed on, to prove the existence of God. I had to state I am xtian to avoid misunderstandings. I give no care what you purpose to achieve with your thread. |
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 2:20pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
greiboy:okay, maybe :I have never said that people can't encounter whatever is called the holy spirit, but having encounter with it cannot be a physical encounter whereby it appears to you physically on earth. Maybe you encountered it through emotion, etc. However, having an encounter with the so-called holy spirit does not still prove that the god you worship is the universal one because the holy spirit itself could be telling you a big lie. For example, this holy spirit was said to tell all the prophets in the bible a lie in the days of Ahab. So I don't see a reason why the holy spirit can't be equated to a lying spirit though. :Some realities are abstract, some are universally real. We are here to argue realities. If not, you guys won't be arguing the reality of the atheists with them, so don't take offence for challenging and criticising your reality. It is good for the brain. :Yes, everything in the universe started existing at the same time. As a consciousness, I actually existed before I was born by my parent into this world. Take Yeshua( whom I call Faulkin) as an example; before he was born into the earth, he is already existing. Same goes for everyone else and it validates the concept of reincarnation. Time, age, etc becomes meaningless in some higher realms. It is here we see it as something meaningful. I will refer you to NDE's that were recorded. If you are in the Mercury, our age cannot be the same. There is even something called time dilation, it's deep. Yes, the universe, according to the scientists, is 13.7billion years, is the same as saying that the time when the physical universe came about is 13.7billion years ago. Yes, the deeper universes (which I call the inner universes) are older than this physical universe you and I relate with. What we call 'the beginning' is not actually a finite beginning that started 6000years ago. It rather has no beginning and no end, same as energy(Existence, God, Matter) which was never created nor can be destroyed(science). :okay :Well...I didn't say that we are more powerful or we are equal in power, but I actually said that we cannot tell. For example, to you, Yahweh could be seen as more powerful than myself, but I see myself as more powerful than him. Same way a Christian would say that he is more powerful than anything Islamic, because he sees Islam as the religion of the devil. So as I said earlier, power equality or inequality is subjective. 1 Like |
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